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P2P Traffic Drops 10% After New NZ Law

harryjohnston writes "Following the introduction of New Zealand's new copyright legislation, which we discussed last week, major ISP Orcon reports that international peer-to-peer traffic has dropped 10%. This might mean that the law is actually working to some extent, though experts say the effect will probably only be temporary."

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  1. Nice! by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So 5% got a seedbox in Tonga after all, now the traffic will just be FTP instead of P2P.
    The other 5% switched to Rapidshare and Co.

    1. Re:Nice! by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or 10% are towards the end of their billing cycle and are trying to stay beneath their ridiculous data cap... ;)

    2. Re:Nice! by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      actually yes. The Germans and other countries have their illegal streaming portals there.

    3. Re:Nice! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      And your description reminds me of the websites that promise to give you drivers, only to instead lead you into a maze of search pages that find other search engines, all laden with ads, through which you quest in the slender hope that the next link may be to an actual download to make your old hardware work.

      There are a lot of pirate services operating under the radar - just a few tens of users, but very dedicated ones. I have also heard of (and once actually found) super-seedboxes hosted in IPv6 space only on academic networks. The old tradition of the dorm pirate network scaled up. The enforcement people don't monitor IPv6 yet, as there is hardly anyone there.

  2. Hahaha. it failed. by unity100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    if its just 10% drop at the advent of the law, it means it outright failed.

    moreover, they just made piracy 'cooler' and more worthy of doing for a lot of rebel types and kids.

    1. Re:Hahaha. it failed. by nzac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its worse than that some ISPs are only able to say they noticed a drop and other ISPs report no drop.

      Since no notices are being set as of yet I expect it will recover and then exceed previous levels if no notices are sent.
      The government said they would review the law if it failed to work so the rights holder may want it to fail.

    2. Re:Hahaha. it failed. by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      Internet access is very expensive in New Zealand, and virtually always data limited (5, 10, 25GB offers). You pay about 1$/GB.
      Its insane. But there is no proper competition, a small population, and no demand from the users.

      So people don't usually run Bittorrent et.al. so much, and renting DVDs is pretty popular.

      --
      NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
    3. Re:Hahaha. it failed. by somersault · · Score: 2

      How well are they publicising this law? Simply having the law in place does feck all if nobody knows about it.

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      which is totally what she said
    4. Re:Hahaha. it failed. by nzac · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't know who your friends are let me assure you that leeching is very much alive (no one seeds at $1-2.5/GB). It does not seem to be confined to one demographic either. The inability for some to stream at DVD def (slow connections) and having to pay for extra bandwith to watch on demand with ads makes torrenting very attractive.

      I get annoyed at people who waste bandwidth re-downloading youtube. I do use this to rationalise the downloading of low quality mp3s.

    5. Re:Hahaha. it failed. by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      if its just 10% drop at the advent of the law, it means it outright failed.

      No, it is highly successful. The 10% of P2P that were used for piracy have stopped, while the 90% that were used for legitimate purposes are still there.

  3. Type of traffic by BeTeK · · Score: 2

    p2p traffic down 10%. vpn traffic up 10% :D

  4. No notices have been sent yet by nzac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interestingly the law has yet to be used (or at least no news sites have reported it).

    The 25 dollar charge couple with low chance of actually getting any money back have made the law seem pretty useless. I would think the fines would be around the minimum of 300 or so there is little chance of making a profit or even getting your money back.

    The problem with putting the burden of proof on the accused is that judges will find it hard to award large damages (500+) since the account holder could not lock down his network and does not have the skill or money to prove it did not happen. Getting someone’s net cut off so they can't buy music legally is not the best business model either. If they have to get a friend to do it, there will be high chance of copywrite infringement immediately afterwards.

  5. Some thing happened in Sweden. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    First reports of "the law working", then a few months later everything was back to normal again.

  6. Time Indeed for the Cypher Revolution by Colio-Light · · Score: 2

    What they fail to recognise, is that NZ is an isolated far away nation who are often a test bed for new things. Internet banking for instance, years and years ahead of the rest of the world because it was simple to do. Having weak politicians who can be used to purchase laws by foreign companies is another. As a by product of the fact that you DSL line has 'national' and 'international' traffic rates - NZ netizens are actually a bit more organised that many countries. For years and years, there have been NZ only direct connect hubs - long before torrenting - where friends and groups share very efficiently and easily, and more importantly on their own 'darker' yet very trusted networks. The government have bitten themselves rather hard with this one, as all this law will do is make it even more difficult than ever to police. this 'drop' in 'known torrent traffic' is hardly going to stop anything. All it proves, is that private communications can't be trusted to be handled by the government or any other commercial entity and that it is up to the individual to ensure their privacy themselves. But what about the 'think of the children' bandwagon i hear you ask? Well if the Queens own household can have their own image database being passed around and Her son is mates with a known dodgy flying with 'unnamed girls' documented as passengers landing on UK military bases - I really don't see how technology is going to stop it. Not until you do what used to be done when they are simply taken out to pasture, never to return to society.

    1. Re:Time Indeed for the Cypher Revolution by Colio-Light · · Score: 4, Informative
      Not since the 80's with David Lange has NZ stood up against Americans with uranium on their breath and truly been able to say they are an individual country.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeHTziiFVx0

      so yes, transparency.org might list NZ as high - but what does't get told much is the relationship between big business and MP's, and the fact that corporate law in NZ is the fastest changing in the world.

      http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/warner-bros-sought-job-law-change-film-the-hobbit-nz-135087

      "Warner Brothers used the threat of filming The Hobbit movies elsewhere to gain changes to New Zealand's employment laws, it was reported tonight. An email obtained under the Official Information Act showed the production company wanted "stability" to film the movies in New Zealand and was worried about "grey areas" of employment law, Radio New Zealand reported."

      http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/us-lobbied-nz-over-copyright-laws-wikileaks-cables-4149178

      "The cables also show that the US offered to spend more than $500,000 to fund a recording industry-backed IP enforcement initiative. According to the cables, the US actively lobbied several cabinet members while New Zealand was working through its copyright reform in 2008"

      "A February 2008 cable notes that Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard and Trade Minister Phil Goff were presented with a list of shortfalls to submit as the legislation was being drafted. "Post has presented the list of noted shortfalls in the draft legislation to Minister Tizard (Consumer Affairs), Minister Goff (Trade) and to officials within the Ministry of Economic Development, the agency primarily responsible for drafting legislation and monitoring IP enforcement. "Post remains engaged with Bronwyn Turley, Senior MED Policy Advisor for IP issues to maintain a dialogue to address the needed technical corrections," the cable noted. New copyright laws were passed in April 2008."

      • Total costs: NZ $533,000 (US $386,158)
      • Start-up costs: NZ $78,000 (US $56,510)
      • Salaries: NZ $215,000 (US $155,768)
      • Operating costs: NZ $240,000 (US $173,880)
      • Start-up costs (NZ dollars):
      • Furnishings $25,000
      • IT costs (equipment) $45,000
      • Sundries $8,000
      • Salaries (NZ dollars):
      • Unit head $90,000
      • Intelligence and policy development $60,000
      • Licensing and enforcement officer $40,000
      • Administrative support $25,000
      • Operating costs (NZ dollars):
      • Accommodations (rental, utilities) $55,000
      • IT support $15,000
      • Legal costs (investigation, prosecution)$75,000
      • Training (internet piracy, law) $50,000
      • Travel costs $35,000
      • Employer liabilities $10,000
  7. 10% is weak by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Sweden after IPRED it was 30%, after half a year they were essentially back on the same curve as before. Everybody fears a token crackdown, like people speed everywhere but right after they've reduced speed on some road it's very wise to stick to the limit a while because it's always followed up by a bunch of controls on that road. It won't last since everybody knows they don't have the resources to go after everyone, it's just temporary.

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  8. Internet Traffic down 10%. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 2

    It's the _total_ international internet traffic which is down 10%. Given that P2P forms 30-50% of an ISPs traffic (supposedly), that means that there has been a 20-33% drop in P2P traffic. So, while it sounds small, it is actually a large difference to P2P, all without a single $25 letter being sent out.

    1. Re:Internet Traffic down 10%. by somersault · · Score: 2

      Yes, but most systems are still designed using the server/client concept. Often with a large centralised server and lots of clients pulling down much more data than they send. Under a peer-to-peer concept there is no centralised server in the system (or at least if there is one, it's not as heavily relied upon as with a traditional model), and you may be transmitting as much as (or more than) you're receiving.

      Both have their pros and cons depending on the user-base and network, and yes it's sad that P2P is becoming synonymous with piracy.

      --
      which is totally what she said
  9. Re:domestic increases...... by petman · · Score: 2

    Are there p2p software that can prioritise domestic traffic over international traffic?

  10. In Sweden... by mmcuh · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...when they implemented the IPRED EU directive which gives the copyright lobby the right to force ISPs to give them the names of suspected filesharers, the traffic dropped by almost 30% on the day the law came into effect. However, it started increasing again almost immediately and a year later it's higher than ever before, and still increasing - just like it has been since the late 90s.

  11. Downloading what? by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 2

    I find the wording puzzling, since everything we download is, well, copyrighted. So the "illegal downloading of" is dependent on there being "illegal distribution" of copyrighted material by a non-copyright-holder, in which case, shouldn't the distributors be punished *first*?

    And what about all the free legal distribution of copyrighted content by copyright holders, which in turn can easily be saved as mp3s? It is saying if someone downloads something via P2P they are criminal, but if they save a youtube stream to a file, they are model citizens.

  12. No difference by drmofe · · Score: 2

    I have not noticed any difference in total international traffic at the ISP which I run between now and before the new law came into force. I do notice more VPN and seedbox traffic on residential connections and less UDP torrent traffic.

    I am also yet to see a copyright infringement notice properly formatted with the requirements of the new legislation. I have bot even received an automated form letter from a rights owner, as used to be the case on a regular basis.

    No rightsowner, or agent thereof has been in contact, nor RIANZ or NZFACT to discuss the relationship between the rightsowners and the designated IPAPs.