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Patent Reform Bill Passes Senate

First time accepted submitter nephorm writes "The Senate passed the first major overhaul of the nation's patent law in more than a half century by passing the America Invents Act. The legislation won overwhelming approval in an 89-9 vote. From the article: 'The America Invents Act switches the U.S. patent system from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file nation. It also sets up a new regime to review patents and gives the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office more flexibility to set and spend fees paid for by inventors to get patents and businesses to register trademarks.'"

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  1. I'd like to take this time to patent.... by MasseKid · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first post. I didn't invent it, but I did get here first.

    1. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by Divebus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd like to see the old "first to show the damned thing working" system come back. Ideas are one thing, but there's nothing like a working sample. No ambiguity if you can/can't show it, no pie-in-the-sky "inventions" that lay in wait in patent trolls' filing cabinets.

      The people who have no resources to actually create their idea may be subject to someone else capitalizing on it, but I can see a robust VC or incubator lab market growing out of the need to show the device in action. Contracts would be between the idea person and the VC or lab and won't dirty up the patent system.

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    2. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That favors large companies over small inventors. One of the points of the patent system is that it allows people to get investors to build a prototype without giving their idea away. Without that, Uber Corp just takes the idea and develops it them selves, originator gets nada.

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    3. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by Sun · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sorry, but this rant is just ignorance of how "first to file" actually works.

      First to invent means, in theory, that you can build something, start selling it, and then file for patent. In practice, however, this allows big corporations to back-date an invention. There is no "chain of evidence" proving that you did, indeed, made the invention as far back as you claim you did.

      With first to file, it is impossible to back-date an invention, as the one providing the time stamp is the (presumably reliable) patent office.

      Now let's take the apocalyptic scenarios you describe and dissect them:

      Now you could invent something, be using it and selling it for 10 years, and then Big Corporation file a $10,000+ patent and steal your invention and sue YOU for selling YOUR invention!

      No, they can't. If you have been selling it on the market, it's prior art. No one can patent it. Even if that's not the case, first-to-file systems generally have "prior use" defenses. I cannot invalidate your patent by proving that I have been using it before you patented it, but I am exempt from licensing it from you.

      since you can no longer prove "I've been using this for XX years!"

      As far as I know, first to invent only goes back one year. That it the most you can back-date an invention. The load on the patent office will not change significantly.

      But it will increase the filing process since they don't have to do any work, they don't have to figure out "Gee, does the wheel already exist? I swear this round thing looks familiar..." they can just do a quick search of their database and go "Nope don't find it here's your patent".

      If it's published, it's prior art whether patented or not. If it's unpublished, then you can patent it. Nothing changes in that regard.

      Shachar

    4. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by Sun · · Score: 3, Informative

      One reason why individuals don't patent their inventions is because they can't afford the time and expenses.

      A provisional for private and small entities only costs $110, and allows you to convert to full patent within a year. If you have an idea you want to show to big corporates, file for a provisional, and then show it to Big$$ with the heading "patent pending".

      Shachar

    5. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The worst part is the patent lists the basic fundamental idea which you know is sound, simple and will work in the end once the obstacles are out of the way. And 98% of the work (and cost) is removing these obstacles, solving all the little caveats, to get it working.

      Nuclear reactor? Trivial. Stack some radioactives, run water through them, blow the resulting steam at turbines. Easy-peasy. I can draw the schematics in 5 minutes and submit the patent application tomorrow. Now for details like stopping the core from overheating, dealing with pressures of thousands atmospheres, cooling tons of water per second before it returns into the system, stopping the radioactivity from leaking... Let someone take care of that and I'll just reap profits from my patent application.

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    6. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by Kirijini · · Score: 3, Informative

      first-to-file systems generally have "prior use" defenses.

      That does not appear to be the case in this new legislation, which I think is a serious problem. However, the legislation does call for the USPTO director to issue a report on prior use defenses in other countries. Maybe the report will prompt congress to add a prior use defense.

      As far as I know, first to invent only goes back one year. That it the most you can back-date an invention.

      Nope, you can backdate an invention as far as you have records for, though you might run the risk of having "abandoned" the invention if you invented it 10 years ago, sat on it, and only bothered to patent it recently.. The year requirement you're thinking of is probably related to the grace period, in which inventors can sell or publicly disclose their invention up to a year before filing a patent. That grace period appears to be preserved in the new legislation.

    7. Re:I'd like to take this time to patent.... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      " There is no "chain of evidence" proving that you did, indeed, made the invention as far back as you claim you did."

      clearly you aren't an inventor, some I wish you would STFU.

      There is always a chain of evidence, a stronger one for smarter inventors, but it's always there.

      "As far as I know, first to invent only goes back one year. That it the most you can back-date an invention. The load on the patent office will not change significantly."

      —A disclosure made 1 year or less before the effective filing date of a claimed invention shall not be prior art to the claimed invention under subsectio(a)(1) if— ‘‘(A) the disclosure was made by the inventor or joint inventor or by another who obtained the subject matter disclosed directly or indirectly from the inventor or a joint inventor; or
      ‘‘(B) the subject matter disclosed had, before such disclosure, been publicly disclosed by the inventor or a joint inventor or another who obtained the subject matter disclosed directly or indirectly from the inventor or a joint inventor.

      http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Patent%20Reform%20PDFS/112hr1249eh.pdf

      I suggest you note 'coinventer'. In the context of the bill that also means ‘joint research agreement’

      So a VC could literally steal your invention.

      Plus, make a radical change in the current eco system poses a lot of other risks.

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  2. Will it stop frivolous patents and patent wars? by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TFA:

    Supporters of the act contend that reforming the patent system will unlock innovation and produce jobs in an economy that is increasingly driven by intellectual property. Currently, there is a backlog of about 700,000 patents waiting for examination, and the next cellphone, incandescent lamp or miracle drug could be hidden in that pile, supporters said.

    Looking the waste in the current smart-phone patent "compulsive wars", I think the bottleneck in invention (and job creation) is NOT in first-to-invent vs first-to-file (the current battle would have happened in both "first-to..." strategies). Look, Europe is driven by the "first-to-file" for quite a while: did this stop Apple to block Samsung tablets/phones (or whatever) in Germany?

    I don't see how's this one a step forward in the "job creation" direction (not says that is not, just saying that I need some explanations. Somebody care to explain?).

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    1. Re:Will it stop frivolous patents and patent wars? by Kirijini · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you patent every conceivable aspect of your invention? Will some slimy scum bag come in behind you and patent some trivial aspect of your product and then sue you?

      If your product is on the market before the slimy scum bag files for a patent, he'll be rejected at the patent office, because your product is prior art. Every aspect of the product is prior art, whether it was patented or not. Under a first to file system, you can't sue someone (successfully) for patent infringement if their product was for sale to the public before you filed. Under a first to invent system, the slimy scum bag might win, if he actually invented the "trivial aspect of your product" before you did, plus various other conditions. Under the first to file system, that messy problem of proving who invented first is removed.

  3. It doesn't matter what you would like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What matters is what the aristocracy would like to see. Which is precisely what the America Invents Act delivers.

    Ideas are valuable. Therefore, the aristocracy wants to control them. If this slows innovation down to a snail's pace, eliminates jobs, and weakens America's position as a world power, so be it.

    And before anyone explains to me that offering patents creates an incentive to invent, just stop. Take a look at how patents are actually used in practice. They empower wealthy corporations to set up barriers-to-entry by making it so expensive to innovate that only the wealthy corporations can do it...and of course they do very little of it because the RnD is expensive and the enterprise too risky.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by slippyblade · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In what way do patents, in ANY form, foster innovation? Strangely enough, there have been thousands of years of inventions without patents. I've never seen a single shred of evidence that patents do anything other than stifle creativity and lead to competition by litigation.

    2. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Look, read and understand this:

      http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm

      Patents do not and have never incentivised innovation. That's just a "lie to children" used as an excuse for their existence.

    3. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>In what way do patents, in ANY form, foster innovation?

      I wouldn't bother going to the time and effort to bring a super cool new product (like, let's say, a hula hoop) to market if it was just going to get ripped off by a large corporation that has the resources to dump imitations at a loss until I go out of business.

      The founding fathers understood this: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

      Sure, there have been inventions and discoveries in the past, but they've been faster and more impressive under our current patent regime than at any time before.

    4. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by tragedy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting. I just looked for information on a patent on the hula hoop and found this article with this paragraph in it:

      Melina and Knerr were inspired to develop the Hula-Hoop after they saw a wooden hoop that Australian children twirled around their waists during gym class. Wham-O began producing a plastic version of the hoop, dubbed "Hula" after the hip-gyrating Hawaiian dance of the same name, and demonstrating it on Southern California playgrounds. Hula-Hoop mania took off from there.

      Hurray for patents then. Hurray for intellectual property in general. Stealing ideas from the public domain, staking an unfair claim on them, and profiting from day one.

    5. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fuck you! I do research and invent things.
      I don't patent them, I publish them. And I don't do that for profit, but out of curiosity and interest.

      This belief that people do things for material profit only is a cancer of the mind and needs to die. For the record, removing the incentive of work through higher taxes is a good thing: filters out the greedy bastards and lets through the passionate.

    6. Re:It doesn't matter what you would like to see by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and this is a good first step believe it or not

      It isn't a good first step. It's a step in the wrong direction. First to invent allows the entity who thought of it first to get the patent once they can afford to jump the huge financial barriers to patenting; First-to-file allows the entity with more money to get the patent. This hugely favors corporations over individuals. Which, of course, is why they did it.

      And while patents may encourage (late, mostly useless) disclosure, I reject outright the idea that this is superior to requiring inventors throughout the economy because of a need to reinvent. Trade secret is not only superior for most inventions, it can last a lot longer; but on the other hand, if the invention is critical, it's worth re-inventing (and knowing it can be done, or what the goal is, is often more than enough, which ought to be a complete red flag that an idea isn't worthy of legal protection anyway.)

      I think the barrier to a patent ought to be *huge*. You should be able to show that creating the invention required X resources only available with significant financial backing, and that patent ought to expire when it has recouped something like 2x that expenditure in gross receipts from its own sales, or if you fail to bring the idea physically to market within 1 year.

      The current system is nothing but a mutual corporate and attorney blow job fest. The only thing it "fosters" is exclusion of the little guy from huge swaths of the economic creation game. But that is something it does extremely well.

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  4. Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And just how many international patents do you have to your name? I have 2 and I can tell you that first to invent is a PITA and penalizes small inventors. First to file places a stake in the ground that is not contestable. First to invent is open to intrepretation via courts and unless you have the resources and well documented evidence (such lab books where EACH PAGE is signed by two individuals) you will lose out.

  5. Re:Wait.. what? by MimeticLie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not American

    Then you should know that most of the world is first-to-file rather than first-to-invent. This does the opposite of what you claim: small inventors no longer have to worry about being taken to court and having to prove that they invented it first; now as long as there wasn't prior art, they're in the right.

    Now if we can just do something about software patents, we might have a decent system.

  6. Just a Tax Increase by xkr · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The patent office makes a profit -- over $1 billion dollars profit, in fact. Money that goes into the US Treasury for congress to spend how it likes. The patent bill just passed raises patent "fees" by 15% immediately. These are only partially fees, because of the excess. Now there is more excess. This is simply a tax on innovation. There is simply no other way to look at it. Where are all those Republicans who said, "no new taxes?" Where are the democrats who said they support innovation in this country.

    When Canada passed the exact same change 10 years ago (changing from first-to-invent to first-to-file) independent inventor applications dropped by 50% and have never recovered. This bill was pushed entirely by large corporations who don't want to pay the real innovators for their inventions.

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  7. Re:No more prior art? by Kirijini · · Score: 4, Informative

    So this means the concept of prior art is moot?

    No.

    It appears that the bill in question is H.R.1249 (TFA doesn't actually specify which bill they're talking about - and there are several versions floating around congress). The text of the bill concerning prior art is:

    ‘‘ 102. Conditions for patentability; novelty
    (a) NOVELTY; PRIOR ART.—A person shall be entitled to a patent unless—
    (1) the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention; or
    (2) the claimed invention was described in a patent issued under section 151, or in an application for patent published or deemed published under section 122(b), in which the patent or application, as the case may be, names another inventor and was effectively filed before the effective filing date of the claimed invention."

    Thus, prior art under the new law would be anything that was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention.

  8. Re:That's so useful... /sarcasm by markkezner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You should write your congress critter about it.

    Here is how they voted

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  9. The job is easier now for all by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Assuming that they're doing their job, which conventional wisdom says they haven't been.[*]

    They have not been because it's been an almost impossible task to keep up.

    The new bill helps in two ways:

    1) Since you don't care anymore who thought of an idea first, you only need to see if the idea exists in the market or has already been filed to dismiss. Before even if someone filed earlier it COULD be they thought of it later... or the guy filing thought of the idea before the thing on the market arrived.

    2) I'm weak on this point but basically it allows outside entities to contest bad patents instead of just the patent holder. Now the EFF and the FSF can go to down striking down the evil before us.

    And still won't, unless the bill vastly increases the funding for patent examiners.

    You know what? It actually DOES do that. Because now the patent office gets to keep application fees. They didn't before? Nope, went into the general pool to pay for the growing SS or a new airport in Nowhereville dedicated to the state senator.

    It's just that it's a lot more lucrative for qualified people to work in industry than at the Patent Office.

    Perhaps they can pay examiners more now that they get to keep application fees.

    This is really a decent overhaul, better than we could expect from all the infighting and bickering going on.

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  10. This is how 'I think' it works: by dizzysoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember the idea of "first to file" (FTF) being explained to me in the past, although I don't rember where or whom. Basically, FTF doesn't trump prior art. If someone invents something before you patent it, the patent is invalid. This doesn't change. One of the big litigation problems with "first to invent" (FTI) over FTF is that, when two companies claim the rights to have invented something first, it take a HUGE amount of digging, research, and legal discovery to figure out. Especially when companies keep secrets and have long R&D periods; it's a tangled mess to figure out the exact timeline that grants patent ownership to one company or another. With FTF, you don't have this problem, because its blatantly obvious who filed first, and prior art is easier to prove in court. IANAL, so correct me if I'm wrong!

  11. Re:No more prior art? by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, not true. If it already exists and is for sale, it cannot be patented by anyone, including the person who first put it up for sale. A patent application must be filed before a technology is made publicly available, or it is no longer patentable. That is already the case even under current patent law, and will not change.

    However, if you have not quite made it to market and someone else comes up with the same idea and patents it while you are polishing up the edges, you're screwed, whereas before, you could at least ostensibly claim that you invented it first if your prototypes go back farther in time.

    This is both good and bad. On the one hand, patent trolls who actually got as far as building a prototype but never marketing it or publishing it cannot use that as prior art to show that someone else's patent is invalid. On the other hand, it means that companies must file patents (or at least provisional applications) much earlier in the process and much more often to avoid the risk of a competitor coming up with the same idea and screwing them.

    On the whole, this so-called reform is basically basically a wash except that it will cause an increase in patent filings (which makes it a net negative in my book). It does almost nothing to reduce the ability of patent trolls to prosper. It similarly does almost nothing to reduce the scope of software patents' ability to stifle innovation and bog down the industry in unnecessary lawsuits. All it really does is make the trial duration slightly shorter....

    This is to patent reform what shooting someone in the backside with a shotgun is to discipline. Sure, it technically qualifies as discipline, but it's not the sort of discipline that actually improves behavior.

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  12. Re:It's About Time by Sun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL

    The main difference this brings is that you cannot publish something prior to patenting it, as your own publishing can act as prior art, invalidating your own patent. This means that you cannot take something published, say "hey, this would actually make a nice patent", and go around and patent it. You'd be committing fraud when signing the piece of paper saying that, as far as you know, the invention is novel.

    People here confuse "first to invent" with "prior art". If something is published, it is unpatentable, no matter which system you use. First to file encourages early filing, as if you keep things secret, someone else might file a patent (due to unrelated invention), and you'd be left with nothing. This means you need to either publish (and prevent everyone, yourself included, from monopolizing it) or patent it early (a provisional is fine, so small inventors can still participate, provided they can spare $110).

    Under the current system, patents could surface quite late in the game. So long as you have some proof that the patent was in progress, you could wait until someone else published it, and then run off to the patent office and patent it. That makes no sense. The purpose (original one) of the patent system was to encourage inventors to publish their inventions.

    Shachar

  13. It's actually very simple by alannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There seem to be a lot of people in this thread saying, "Oh no! Prior art is dead!"
    All this actually means is that somebody can no longer invent (or CLAIM have invented) something and then KEEP IT A SECRET (not sell, publicly demonstrate, file for a patent, etc...) and then, later on, after somebody else files for the patent, say, "Hey! I invented that %d years ago!" Right now, it seems to be pretty common practice for corporations to attempt to 'manufacture evidence' of non-public prior art. It seems like this would simplify patent disputes.

  14. President of OnLive responds to this bill, against by dizzysoul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Steve Perlman, President & CEO, Rearden, OnLive and MOVA wrote a detailed letter to Senator Diane Feinstein, voicing his extreme disapproval of this bill. It's a good read: (PDF) http://www.rearden.com/public/110301-Steve_Perlman_S.23_Letter_to_Senator_Feinstein.pdf

  15. Re:It's About Time by thirtyfour · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might be "+5 Insightful," but you're also wrong. Inventors have a 1-year window after publishing in which they can file their application. This is true under both the old laws and the new. I love how the people with mod points don't let a little thing like not knowing anything about patent law get in the way of their pronouncing a post that (incorrectly) tries to explain a point of patent law as "insightful."