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The Linux Counter Relaunches

psychonaut writes "Long-term readers of Slashdot may be familiar with The Linux Counter, which attempts to measure (through surveys and statistics) the number of people using GNU/Linux operating systems. The project started in 1993 and shot to fame six years later, largely as a result of three Slashdot articles (two of which brought the Counter to its knees). After four years of stagnation, project founder Harald Tveit Alvestrand has handed over the reins to a new maintainer, Alexander Mieland. Over the past few months, Mieland has completely redeveloped the project, with a modernized design and support facilities (including a bug tracker, mailing list, RSS feed, and Twitter account). The New Linux Counter is now up and running, with all the data for active users from the old counter. The old site will continue to operate for a time but will soon be shut down and requests redirected to the new site."

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  1. A few suggestions for the new maintainer by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have an account and log in once a year, when I get my reminder email. Usually, I have quite a lot to update: decommissioned machines, upgraded machines, new machines and that's only for my personal machines. They have a script which uses sendmail to update your information. That's unacceptable in a desktop setting. What they should have is a simple, but relatively robust update system like freedns.afraid.org uses. If on top of that they can package their updating script and convince major distros to carry it as an opt-in for default installations, it could get some accurate stats.

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  2. Already Slashdotted by russlar · · Score: 4, Funny

    The project started in 1993 and shot to fame six years later, largely as a result of three Slashdot articles (two of which brought the Counter to its knees)

    Here's to keeping the tradition alive!

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  3. Pointless... by giuseppemag · · Score: 2

    ...as long as it works, who cares how many people use it?

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    1. Re:Pointless... by robbrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I care. Also those manufacturers of complex hardware like Nvidia might care, so that they can justify putting the resources aside to develop Linux drivers.

    2. Re:Pointless... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3

      Well said. I have read much bashing of Nvidia regarding the proprietary nature of their drivers, but I remember them being right at the forefront of manufacturers providing proper drivers at a time when I was unable to get 24-bit colour from the SiS GPU that I had in my box at the time. The fact that they have continued to provide good drivers when most other manufacturers have totally ignored Linux users has done a lot to ensure brand loyalty on my part.

      I just don't have the time or the inclination to write my own drivers, and I am honest enough to admit that my own skills in this area are unlikely to stack up well against someone who does this for a living.

      This aside, although I bought my first Nvidia card in 1998, I have never replaced one because it has failed. Motherboard manufacturers keep changing their sockets so my old cards no longer fit. But over the years, I have cobbled together a lot of boxes using my old components for various charities (with Linux pre-installed), and those old Riva and GeForce cards are still damn good components for anyone who doesn't need high-end gaming performance.

    3. Re:Pointless... by Omestes · · Score: 2

      . Despite all that and people constantly saying dumb things that aren't true like "linux is for geeks" or "linux is hard" or "linux is for technical people" when in reality it depends on the version.

      Its gotten better, but those phrases still, sadly, stand. Perhaps I'm bitter because I'm once again fishing for a decent distro (anyone have anything to say about Aptosid?), but Linux still isn't as easy to use as OS X or Windows. Sure, its more versatile and powerful, but that is something that only matters to geeks and technical people.Yes, the days of spending hours hand writing config files has passed (though not completely, no distro will support sound over HDMI on an Ion chip without messing with ALSA), but it still isn't as easy to use, it still breaks for somewhat arbitrary reasons, and Linux coders still can't make a GUI to save their lives.

      When both Gnome and Ubuntu jumped the shark, ruining my years of Distro stability, I had to go fishing for a decent distro. None of them were very friendly, half of the ones I tried wouldn't recognize my 8 year old wifi chip. All them them were very, very, different, with different ways of doing things. Most of them have incomprehensible config GUIs.

      Hell, there isn't even decent media software. When I was trying to make a Linux based HTPC, I couldn't find anything simple enough to use as a "roll your own" jukebox at a party, where people of all levels of computer skill could access music, and create playlists (ala iTunes party shuffle). I couldn't even find anything that was stable with a very large library (50Gb+). I spend around a whole weekend just trying various media players, to see if anything would even come close to my needs. None did. Well, Songbird was close, but they discontinued Linux support, and it still liked to crash or go unresponsive. What software there is, that a normal person would want, all looks terrible, and is often wrapped in an impenetrable mess of a GUI (with no consistency, even).

      Hell, even the core isn't quite there. The Linux filesystem, for all its functional and logical glory, sucks for the average user. The fact that I still need to use the command prompt daily doesn't help either (I personally don't mind, buy my parents would). When something breaks in Linux, it breaks, when something breaks in modern iterations of Windows, there is generally a quick fix, and it generally is 100% the fault of the user.

      I can attest to this, since I'm not a technical user. I'm a geek, sure, but I'm pretty much trying to teach myself Linux as I go. I'm not an expert user. I'm also not the average joe, since I've been attached to a key board for 28 years, and have probably tried around 300 distros over the years, waiting for Linux to be mature enough to be my daily OS. I love Linux, I use daily now. But it still isn't at the point where I'd recommend it to a complete novice. Ubuntu was making me hopeful that that point would be coming soon, but lately I have my doubts (Unity, wtf?). Hell, the easiest to use GUI (Gnome) decided to kill themselves as well. Its as if the community decided that they might be able to stand on their own (desktop wise), and got scared.

      Though, I suppose, I respect the idea behind Unity and Gnome Shell, Linux should try to just be a Windows/OS X clone, and should try being competent on its own merits, in its own way. If I wanted OS X or Windows, I'd be running them. Sadly both implications failed completely. And going for "simpler than OS X" is probably a mistake, since Linux' strength sure as hell isn't its simplicity.

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    4. Re:Pointless... by chrb · · Score: 2

      The first thing they will ask is "where did this number come from?". The 29 million users estimate appears to be the ratio of new registered users multiplied by an old estimate from 2001. It seems like a very unreliable figure. I've been using Linux as my main desktop since 1996, I've installed hundreds of servers, several desktops, and I've never heard of this Linux Counter site before now. I would imagine most Linux users have also never heard of this site... and now it appears on Slashdot, registrations will suddenly jump, and the estimate will increase by several million users?! And how many non-English speakers will have registered with this site?

      Here's another guesstimate I just came up with: 2 billion internet users, 2.38% Linux desktop share according to Wikipedia, so 56 million Linux users...oh well, quality is often more important than quantity...

    5. Re:Pointless... by jc79 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The reason I don't offer Linux is because every 6 months your drivers break

      No they don't.

      I've been running Fedora for the last 5 years on my desktop machine, which I use for my business administration as well as personal use, so it's pretty mission critical. In five years, I've only once had my "drivers break", and that was because I was trying the ATI Catalyst drivers rather than the free drivers from my distro. Using the drivers from the distro, I've always had a functioning system. This is something that Just Works. Printer, webcam, bluetooth headsets, audio cards, all work out of the box with the default installation with no extra administration needed.

      I've not used Windows since XP, but my memory of adding new hardware to that system was having to install drivers from a CD, reboot the system, plug in the new hardware, reboot the system a couple of more times, search the internet for updated drivers, download them from a website and install them by hand, reboot the system again. How is that better for Joe or Sally to manage than plugging a bit of kit and having it work first time?

  4. Good PR for Linux in the tech world... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    Maybe not such a great marketing move. I wonder how Microsoft would react to much higher than expected numbers of Linux boxes. In the distant past, Linux was waved off on the desktop side as a hobbyist or novelty platform, but I've seen many of my friends and colleagues switch over to a Linux distro in the past few years for their primary OS.

    Of the three computers I have (not including gaming consoles and my phone running linux), all of them are either single, double, or triple boot optioned with a linux distro as one of the options.

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  5. Re:Slashdot is dying. FoxNews confirms it. by somersault · · Score: 2

    You must be new here

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  6. Uh... make that three times... by SwedishChef · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The project started in 1993 and shot to fame six years later, largely as a result of three Slashdot articles (two of which brought the Counter to its knees)"

    It's down.

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  7. Polish a turd, its still a turd! by PenquinCoder · · Score: 2

    Okay, this counter is ... all about Linux , I get that. But its NOT news worthy. The site is designed pretty crappily as well as the error handling on server load. On top of that, the news summary says 'a modern redesign' of the website.... which still looks like about 2002 era, with some ajax thrown in. That is not modernization of an older concept.

  8. Double Fail by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 2
    • 1 No Debian package. What's it about to count at all, then?
    • 2 Slashdotted. So you can't really count on it.
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