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UBS Rogue Trader Loses $2 Billion In Unauthorized Trades

PolygamousRanchKid writes with this snippet from Reuters that sounds like a ready-made movie script: "Switzerland's UBS said on Thursday it had discovered unauthorized trading by a trader in its investment bank had caused a loss of some $2 billion. 'The matter is still being investigated, but UBS's current estimate of the loss on the trades is in the range of $2 billion,' the bank said in a brief statement just before the stock market opened." Asks the RanchKid: "I wonder how this will reopen the debate about the role of computer systems in the trading and the safeguards that are supposed to protect against these risks. But if microseconds mean millions in trading ... who has time for checks?"

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  1. What? by J'raxis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does a human being engaged in $2B worth of fraud say anything about computer algorithms and millisecond-level trading?

    1. Re:What? by show+me+altoids · · Score: 5, Funny

      Was this USB 2.0 or 3.0? I wouldn't think 2.0 would be fast enough to lose this much money this quickly.

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    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the banks could have checks in place to avoid this kind of unauthorized trading, but they chose not to because it would slow down the system a little bit. Bankers believe that a bank implementing all proper security protocols would be too slow to compete in this era of millisecond-level trading.

  2. Re:FIRED ?? by 0racle · · Score: 4, Funny

    At a competitor? Hell, this man is CEO material. You can't let assets like that get away.

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  3. Right.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These "rogue trader" stories come out from time to time, among employees of all the more respectable class of casino, and they leave me deeply skeptical...

    Either these outfits are, in fact, handing people the keys to gigantic piles of risk with controls roughly on par with the ones used to keep bored 16-year-old cashiers from skimming the till, or there is a substantial amount of tacit looking-the-other-way as Mr. Golden Boy flouts the rules and makes huge piles of money, and then, if things go south, his actions were "rogue".

    Honestly, I find it hard to believe the former. This industry is riddled with perverse incentives toward taking on outsize risk loads(that hopefully won't blow up until you leave, or will blow up in somebody else's face) in exchange for rewards now. Am I supposed to believe that Poor li'l UBS just got plumb slickered by some smooth talker, or that "rogue" is simply the PR response to those who operate particularly close to the risk/reward envelope and happen to stop producing the numbers that HQ wants to see?

  4. "Rogue"? by A5un · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, if you lose money, you're "rogue". But if you win money, you're "managing director"?

  5. HFT is a problem by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    High-Frequency Trading is a bet, not much different than counting cards at a Las Vegas blackjack table.

    You're betting that:

    - You get your trade in milliseconds or less before the opportunity vanishes.
    - Your coders are not missing anything that would cause you to fail.
    - Your coders are sharper than the other coders our there, or...
    - You are taking from the humans, and aren't at risk from other HFT code.
    - Nothing goes bad in all of this, from comm links to the market platform.

    And of course you can always beg the SEC to unwind the transactions, claiming it was a programming glitch. That's been done before. The SEC is no longer an effective watchdog over the industry. It has in effect been 'captured'. Game Over unless Mary can turn it around. Unlikely.

    When you dig into how the NYSE actually works today, with DMMs and 'liquidity providers', that one entity can account for 10-20% of total volume, and all of that is HFT, you may realize that the days of humans trading on news and speculation are over. If you want to hold for a duration and take profits over the span of years, just hope you don;'t need to cash out on the same day as the machines have decided they see opportunity in trashing your holdings. Nothing personal, it was an algorithm you know. Just happens.

    It's a genuine miracle that we don't see more flash crashes and >$1B fails than we do. HFT is going ot destroy the market, but only for actual humans. One day, when we realize that 70% of the market volume is HFT, we will then understand that the NYSE in particular is a house of cards. Then what?

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    1. Re:HFT is a problem by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More or less, it's astonishing to me that the SEC hasn't cracked down on these scams. It's not like it's some sort of secret, people outside the industry know that Wall Street is largely run on fraud and insider trading and that there are massive bonuses handed out even when a company isn't doing well.

      But, as long as the GOP continues to whip up anti-regulator sentiment, it's going to be really tough to get the regulations in place that are going to fix that.

  6. Bitcoin by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hear UBS is going to go to 100% bitcoin. A spokesman said, "basically there aren't enough computers on the planet to handle a billion bitcoin transactions per hour, so it will be days before the money is actually transferred. This gives us time to roll back anything, plus we can get interest on the float while we wait for the transaction to close."

    Bitcoin, is there any problem it can't make better?

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  7. This level of trading is hazardous to the world by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it is increasingly clear that the more developed this trading gets, the more risk it offers the world's economy. It is also recognized that "safeguards" need to be in place to prevent certain things from happening. These same safeguards also serve to decrease that highly sought-after and desirable "leverage" power when making trades. These market people have been pushing regulators to remove such safety restrictions which have apparently been connected with all manner of troubles including the most recent market failure.

    I wouldn't be against banning the markets entirely. I think Hitler had it right in his analysis of why speculating is such a problem for economic stability. (Just as in the legal system, the only real winners are the lawyers)

    Of course the world's bankers would never allow any governments to take their playground away, but that's what I think should be done.

  8. Not so surprising by LordNacho · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, he'd worked in the back office, so he'd know both people and procedures.

    Second of all, anyone who's ever worked in finance can tell you big banks are chaotic. It's not really that strange that he can go about his business undetected for a while, because there's loads of traders with loads of portfolios. And most people on one desk are not going to be experts on the business of another. UBS has had a number of restructurings since the financial crisis. People are moved on, some desks are closed, some are merged, it's gonna be a mess. Makes it easier to hide.

    Third, risk officers are not what you think. They are not the internal police, vigilantly keeping an eye out for every possible transgression. They look at the positions, calculate the risk (big can of worms, don't ask), and when someone is over their limit, they show up at the trader's desk and are told to fuck off.

    Finally, it is not at all clear that technology played an important role in this fraud. Yes, some HFT market makers trade ETFs, but it's not clear his desk was. That doesn't mean a software error caused it, or that the fraud could not have occurred without whatever system he was using. From efinancial (which you need a subscription to read) the latest rumour is that he messed up a hedge in EURCHF, and his attempt to fix it made it worse.

  9. Re:I'm a better trader than this guy. by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

    No offense but a successful career in a high-stakes environment like the military is no preparation for being a complete waste to society and eventually losing $2B on top of it all... For that you need a business degree.

  10. Re:Digital money by infodragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was a trader, not HFT. He was manually calling in trades, either through a computerized system or through UBS's trading desk. The money was lost over a period of time in which he was probably exploiting loopholes in the controls of UBS. It's really disturbing seeing the trend against HFT when there is no evidence to show how it's being perceived. The flash crash last year was not caused to to HFT but due to a fund selling $4.1bn in E-Mini S&P futures.

    From Wikipedia...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash

    The joint report "portrayed a market so fragmented and fragile that a single large trade could send stocks into a sudden spiral,"[10] and detailed how a large mutual fund firm selling an unusually large number of E-Mini S&P 500 contracts first exhausted available buyers, and then how high-frequency traders (HFT) started aggressively selling, accelerating the effect of the mutual fund's selling and contributing to the sharp price declines that day.

    Still lacking sufficient demand from fundamental buyers or cross-market arbitrageurs, HFTs began to quickly buy and then resell contracts to each other – generating a “hot-potato” volume effect as the same positions were rapidly passed back and forth. Between 2:45:13 and 2:45:27, HFTs traded over 27,000 contracts, which accounted for about 49 percent of the total trading volume, while buying only about 200 additional contracts net.

    "a large fundamental trader (a mutual fund complex) initiated a sell program to sell a total of 75,000 E-Mini contracts (valued at approximately $4.1 billion) as a hedge to an existing equity position."

    --- end quoting

    I just roll my eyes... "portrayed a market so fragmented and fragile that a single large trade could..." It was a sell order for $4.1bn let me type that out... $4,100,000,000. Anybody have any idea what that does to available liquidity? No time in the history of the US markets could they have withstood this type of hit. HFTs provided liquidity during that time, higher spreads but without the HFTs the bottom would have fallen out. The drop would have been MUCH MUCH worse.

    Right now HFTs are the target of a smear campaign by the SEC, it's a scapegoat. HFTs almost uniformly lost their butts that day. Read between the lines and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

    Two more things I'll hold your hands on... a large FUNDAMENTAL trader, this means somebody who trades on fundamentals not technical analysis, which is critical to HFT, initiated a trade for 75K contracts. HFTs passed that around for a volume of 27K almost 1/3 of that... So if you try to take the worst slant on that they provided liquidity to 1/3 of the order that started this. hmmm... what if HFTs weren't trading that day... others would have had to absorb over 33% of that hit. The result, Armageddon!

    Sometimes I don't know why I try... I guess the Kool-Aid is too tempting.

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  11. Re:makes me wonder who earned $2 Billion by xelah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The stock market is not a zero-sum game.

    Ultimately, it is, because ultimately, every trade has a winner and a loser, and ultimately, the value of every stock goes to zero. We just haven't seen the game played out long enough yet (though we came pretty close recently).

    No, it isn't (except in the 'in the long run we are all dead' sense). Consider the dot com boom. Over-inflated dot com stock valuations caused large amounts of additional investment in dot coms which were never going to make money, or quite possible provide any useful service at all. The economy wasted resources in pointless rubbish, thus reducing the amount available for consumption and investment in other things.

    Stock market valuations and stock market investors motivated by them affect many decisions. Things like: should company x buy company y? What minimum rate of return should we require internally on our investments/what should we take our internal cost of capital to be? Should the current managers be retained? Should we raise money via a new share issue or IPO? What should I, as a VC or private equity investor, invest in and how much money do I get (from sales of businesses) to spend on new investments? What interest rate must the government pay me for me to lend to it instead of buying stocks?

    I'm not going to claim stock markets do these well. I don't know the answer and I don't know what to compare them to. Nor will I claim there isn't a great deal of zero-sum or near zero-sum activity going on - that described in the article is almost certainly near-zero-sum (probably somewhat negative). It's quite plain, though, that these decisions have to be made and that they're important. They affect economic growth rates. They affect the distribution of wealth (amongst ordinary people, not just those in the industry). They are most certainly not zero sum.

  12. Re:Digital money by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First, I almost worked at Teza in Chicago (a high frequency trading firm). I think, between the job interview and speaking to people there, I'm qualified to comment on the subject to an extent. Also, while not a professional economist, I have enough knowledge with regards to market liquidity to understand that HFT firms aren't required to provide the liquidity they so often proclaim is such a wonderful function of what they do.

    HFT firms provide no value; they are a check valve sucking cash out of whatever market they're interacting within. If you work for an HFT firm, while I can't wish ill against you, I wouldn't exactly shed a tear if you were on the street. I'm not saying they're the only problem, but proclaiming "BUT! BUT! They're are other bad guys too!" is like trying to justify being a rapist because murders still exist.

    Fuck HFT firms.

  13. Errrrm, I'm a full time trader myself by DCFusor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And what likely happened was something with the Swissie. Currencies are usually traded with a metric crapload of leverage, else the tiny fraction of a percent *normal* differences in the moves make them not worth trading at all, and they need to be traded some for price discovery to make the system work.

    The Swiss recently did a jaw droopingly stupid desperation move on their currency. They pegged it to the euro, in the attempt to stem their own currency's appreciation, which was ruining their trade with other countries, being thought of as "safe" in a time of turmoil, when so much cash was out of the other markets due to fear (the rest was going into gold). This resulted in a HISTORIC move of over 8.5% in something that normally moves .1% at most a day, overnight...That's a big enough move to really hurt (or help, depending on which side of a trade you're on) a normal trader. Now, with 100x leverage -- wow - even a tiny bet adds up very quickly, for or against you. With 100x leverage, everything is multiplied 100x -- except the money you have to put down to open the trade. In a gross oversimplification, you can bet $1, but lose $100 in that case. Meaning he might not even had had that huge a bet on. A lot of "safety obcessed" individuals also got hammered on this one. (and soon enough, on T bills when the bond vigilantes come out and treat us like the bankrupt jerks we are -- they'll be around as soon as BenB and TimG stop buying them in debt monetization).

    Most people figured that when that happened, the safe trade would switch entirely to gold. The thing is, the Swiss needed tons of instant dough to buy Euros with all of a sudden. So they sold tons of gold (literally) and tried to do it when the western markets weren't open. That was too much for the Asian retail investors to eat, so gold went down too -- they (for reasons that should be obvious) didn't give anyone a heads up on this, except perhaps a few special friends, so the whole deal caught everyone completely off. It will fail, but the Swiss had no choice but to try it or face ruin anyway - their currency was so overvalued that they could sell nothing to anyone else, and no country can live with that very long.

    Y'all might want to go look at zerohedge (no link, their servers are chronically overloaded as is - but a few more snarks won't hurt the place, just not all slashdot please) for some more on this. Sometimes they publish microsecond graphs of what the *headline reading* bots are doing too, they don't like HFT either, but it had nothing to do with this one. I used to think with my signal processing experience I could blow those bots off, as some of them seem pretty stupid. But they are a little ahead of most slashdotters in text understanding -- they actually can read the news tickers and adjust based on the headlines and content(!).

    The SEC is more or less completely owned by the people they are supposed to regulate. Too small, they don't care about you. Too big, they're already bribing you. Middle size is all they do, and they do little of that. It's like with drugs where the big dealer turns in the smaller competition once in awhile to the bribed cops, so everyone gets a benefit -- cops look good, getting a bust, big dealer gets rid of competition, all go home happy, well...almost all. It's a dirty game, but you can still win at poker even with a cheating dealer, if he's not after you personally.

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