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ToS Violations No Longer a Crime (On Their Own)

nonprofiteer writes "The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act previously made 'unauthorized access to a computer system' a crime — meant to apply to hackers, it also criminalized violations of a website's ToS or of a workplace's computer policies. The law is being changed to make the crime a felony rather than a misdemeanor, which led some to worry about the potential for its abuse. However, Senators Franken and Grassley added an amendment (PDF) to exempt violations of ToS and employer policies from the lists of felony activity. w00t for common sense."

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  1. Still crimes, even on their own by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A misdemeanor is still a crime, just a less serious crime. The amendment exempts ToS violations from being felonies, but does not stop them from being misdemeanors, then they are still crimes.

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    1. Re:Still crimes, even on their own by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 3, Informative

      I see no provision in the amendment that reduces from felony to misdemeanor, only language that exempts ToS violations etc. from whatever it is the bill stipulates in the section being amended. There not being a link to the law itself, I haven't seen it, but I sincerely doubt the original law says that ToS violations can alternately be considered misdemeanors, thus I deem it probably the law simply states that unauthorized access is a felony, without mentioning ToS etc. Since the amendment states that ToS etc. are exempted, then the amendment does NOT create them misdemeanors, and since AFAIK nothing else creates ToS violations as crimes, I don't think the amendment leaves them a crime of any kind at all.

    2. Re:Still crimes, even on their own by nonprofiteer · · Score: 2

      That's incorrect. They are no longer misdemeanors or felonies. This exempts them from being crimes, period. Unless combined with other criminal activity.

    3. Re:Still crimes, even on their own by maxume · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's the text of the current law:

      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html

      (go yell at Cornell if you think it is not an accurate reflection of the current U.S. code, I don't care)

      Section 1030(e)(6) defines the term âoeexceeds authorized accessâ as used in the law. The amendment to the proposed bill changes the definition explicitly to exclude TOS violations as a sole basis for determining unauthorized access.

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    4. Re:Still crimes, even on their own by pavon · · Score: 2

      And here is the text of the bill in question S.1151.

  2. Re:Sorry but.... by immakiku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Franken worked to exempt TOS violations from being a felony...

  3. *nod nod nod* by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

    ....However, Senators Franken and Grassley added an amendment (PDF) to exempt violations of ToS and employer policies from the lists of felony activity. w00t for common sense.

    Excellent. This really made me blink and re-read many times to ensure the post and all of the articles referenced were actually what I thought I read.

    Hopefully this will prevent scare-suit tactics from large companies that aren't "making enough money this quarter". :)

    I'm referencing activities from the past, not trollin'.

  4. ToS - Works both ways by XanC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use the "Modify Headers" FF extension to add the following to all my browser requests:

    X-Terms-Of-Service: By responding to this request, you agree to place no restrictions on the requesting user's use of the data you send, and that no subsequent terms of service may modify this provision.

    1. Re:ToS - Works both ways by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

      I use the "Modify Headers" FF extension to add the following to all my browser requests:

      X-Terms-Of-Service: By responding to this request, you agree to place no restrictions on the requesting user's use of the data you send, and that no subsequent terms of service may modify this provision.

      Lolzers. Awesome.

      Now make that header an RFC. Then, get a new random lawsuit filed, processed, and won. Get another suit and _use case law_ to win it.

      Success. :)

    2. Re:ToS - Works both ways by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

      Won't do you any good because no human has agreed to your terms of service as you did to access the service in the first place. You have a computer agreeing not to place any restrictions, a computer with no authority to make such an agreement.

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    3. Re:ToS - Works both ways by XanC · · Score: 2

      How is that different from a web site's ToS which binds me to something simply by downloading their page?

      I don't know how the response is being formed. Maybe it IS by a human. Certainly could be. And certainly, any *client* might be a computer and not a human as well, which would nullify any web site ToS ever.

      Basically, I agree with you that my "ToS" is stupid and useless, except to illustrate that web site ToSes are *also* stupid and useless.

  5. Re:Sorry but.... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Franken might be against the whole damned thing, but in favor of putting in the amendment because he thinks the entire bill will likely pass and he wants to make it suck less.

    And the whole point of the amendment is that TOS violations won't be a felony.

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  6. Re:Sorry but.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    The law that mad it a misdemeanor was already on the books. Did Franken vote for it? I rather doubt it, he hasn't been in office all that long, and the act is rather old. When you get elected to a senatorial post you don't get to review all the old laws on the books and call for a revote.

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  7. Re:Sorry but.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, they changed the definition of the crime itself to exclude violations of TOSes and similar. Read the amendment, it's like a whole paragraph of reading.. Or, ya know, just scream and cry that your rights are being violated reflexively.

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  8. Re:Troll business model. by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You think that's a joke, but it's been tried. The "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act" has been around since the 80s, and strengthened several times. It is bad law.

    In one case, a company set up a website whose terms of use prohibited visiting the website. When their competitor visited, they sued. In another case, someone put a fake profile picture on MySpace and was charged with a crime. You can be sued for checking personal email at work or visiting Facebook.This is law made by people who don't understand computers very well. It also applies to any computer, so if you don't follow the terms of service for a microwave, you can be sued.

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  9. Re:Sorry but.... by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    No, they changed the definition of the crime itself to exclude violations of TOSes and similar. Read the amendment, it's like a whole paragraph of reading.. Or, ya know, just scream and cry that your rights are being violated reflexively.

    I see nothing in the amendment that completely nixes violation of ToS from any and all lists of criminal activity found in the bill, only from the list of felony activities. Nor did I scream and cry like you believe I did; I posed a question, and expected a reasoned response. There is no legal version of justfinggoogleit.
    Or, ya know, just reflexively scream and cry that others just scream and cry about their rights being violated.

  10. Re:Sorry but.... by anyGould · · Score: 2

    I can't stand Organic Laws. They always cost more and have little seeds sticking out of them.

  11. Re:Troll business model. by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    That's ok I have a "Terms of Service" too. By accepting this my cash for purchase or license of your goods and services, you waive your rights to your apply customary Terms of Service agreement. This is clearly posted on my website.

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  12. Re:Sorry but.... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a plan. Revoke all laws 10-20 years after they are passed, unless they can pass again.

    Give the congresscritters something to do, so they can feel useful.

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  13. Inaccurate story/summary by thoromyr · · Score: 2

    This submission and/or the story is a troll. The referenced act only applies to a restricted set of systems. Roughly speaking it applies to non-public government systems and financial/bank computers. It does not apply to typical websites, nor does it apply to typical workplaces. But don't take my word for it, read the law http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html