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Inspector General Investigated For Muzzling Inconvenient Science

Layzej writes "Federal biologist Charles Monnett was placed on administrative leave July 18 pending final results of an inspector general's investigation into integrity issues. The investigation originally focused on a 2006 note published in Polar Biology based on a unique observation of four dead polar bears. The investigators acknowledged that they had no formal training in science, but later demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of science, the peer review process, and at times basic math with questions like 'seven of what number is 11 percent?' They also expressed concern over the fact that the note was reviewed by Monnett's wife prior to submitting the paper for peer review. When nothing turned up, the investigation turned towards Monnett's role in administering research contracts. But documents released by PEER, a watchdog and whistle-blower protection group, suggest even that investigation is off base. Monnett has since been reinstated, albeit in a different position. Now the IG handling of this case is itself under investigation following a PEER complaint that the IG is violating new Interior Department scientific integrity rules."

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  1. PEER is not a "watchdog group" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're a lobbying group for public servants who work in environmental fields, with a very obvious stake in the outcome of this case. It'd be like the American Petroleum Institute complaining about the BP investigation.

  2. Summary by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The investigation originally focused on a 2006 note published in Polar Biology based on a unique observation of four dead polar bears. The investigators acknowledged that they had no formal training in science"

    So the headline would be "Dead Polar Bears had no formal science training"

    We must ensure better education for the bears so they can understand the climate changes and so adapt to the conditions.

    1. Re:Summary by tragedy · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you read the transcript (admittedly a bit of a read), the implications are that these polar bears probably drowned attempting a long swim right when a storm came along. The scientist discusses how, during the 26 years of the surveys in the area, there has been a stark change in the characteristics of the area. The lack of ice forces the polar bears to swim further between rests and also allows the waves to get much higher during storms. That wasn't actually in the journal article he was being investigated in, but he discusses it with his interrogators near the end of the transcript where he's clearly getting some of his frustrations out about the ridiculousness of the particular situation and about the situation with his employer overall. The stuff about the high turnover rate of scientists is interesting. Apparently to even publish in the first place he has to go through what amounts to an official censorship system.

  3. Context is nice by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Informative
    It does look like the IG investigators were way over their heads. But the point about "seven of what number is 11 percent?" seems to be taken out of context. The full section of the transcript where that occurs

    CHARLES MONNETT: Yeah. Well, thats a nothing. Um,

    23 yeah, 10.8. And then we said, um, four dead – four swimming

    24 polar bears were encountered on these transects, in addition

    25 to three.

    26 ERIC MAY: Three dead polar bears?

    1 CHARLES MONNETT: Yeah, three dead.

    2 ERIC MAY: Right.

    3 CHARLES MONNETT: But the four swimming were a week earlier.

    4 ERIC MAY: Okay.

    5 CHARLES MONNETT: And, um, then we said if they accurately

    6 reflect 11 percent of the bears present so, in other words,

    7 theyre just distributed randomly, so we looked at 11 percent

    8 of the area.

    9 ERIC MAY: In that transect?

    10 CHARLES MONNETT: Yeah.

    11 ERIC MAY: Right.

    12 CHARLES MONNETT: In, in our, in our area there, um –

    13 ERIC MAY: Right.

    14 CHARLES MONNETT: – and, therefore, we should have seen

    15 11 percent of the bears. Then you just invert that, and you

    16 come up with, um, nine times as many. So thats where you get

    17 the 27, nine times three.

    18 ERIC MAY: Where does the nine come from?

    19 CHARLES MONNETT: Uh, well 11 percent is one-ninth of

    20 100 percent. Nine times 11 is 99 percent. Is that, is that

    21 clear?

    22 ERIC MAY: Well, now, seven of 11 – seven of what number is

    23 11 percent? Shouldnt that be – thats 63, correct?

    24 CHARLES MONNETT: What?

    25 ERIC MAY: So you said this is –

    26 CHARLES MONNETT: Seven/11ths this is –

    1 ERIC MAY: No, no, no, no, no. This, this is, this is 11 –

    2 seven is what number of 11 percent?

    3 CHARLES MONNETT: Seven?

    4 ERIC MAY: Yeah.

    5 CHARLES MONNETT: Is what number of 11 percent?

    6 ERIC MAY: Eleven percent, right.

    7 CHARLES MONNETT: Well, I dont know. I dont even know

    8 what youre talking about. It makes no sense.

    9 LYNN GIBSON: I think what hes saying is since theres four

    10 swimming and three dead, that makes –

    11 ERIC MAY: And three dead.

    12 CHARLES MONNETT: Well, you dont count them all together.

    13 That doesnt have anything to do. You cant – that doesnt

    14 even –

    15 LYNN GIBSON: So youre not saying that the seven represent

    16 11 percent of the population.

    17 CHARLES MONNETT: Theyre different events.

    The confusion here seems to be about what metrics are being used. It looks like the IG people didn't look at things in much detail before the interview which is clearly bad. But if I'm reading this correctly the actual context of the 11 percent line seems to be a unit confusion of an easy form to occur if one isn't that used to handling percentages and isn't actually writing things down. The section does make the IG look pretty bad and like they haven't done their research. But it doesn't look as incredibly bad as the summary suggests.

    1. Re:Context is nice by cats-paw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But it doesn't look as incredibly bad as the summary suggests.

      Did you stop reading the transcript at some point ?

      The investigators were using the Richelieu technique, just trying to get Monnett to say enough so they could find something with which to hang him. I'd really like to know why Monnett didn't tell them to fuck off.

      The investagiators clearly had no fucking idea what they were talking about. They spend pages asking him how he knew the polar bears were dead. they spent pages asking him more questions about the dead polar bears. Monnett responded in detail, and in exactly the fashion I would expect an experienced researcher to answer in. Details about how they gather the data, details as to how he came to the conclusions that he did. Deails, not generalizations. All they did was badger and needle him - it's like a 5 year old asking "why ?" all the time.

      There's nothing here to suggest any wrong doing on Monnett's part.

      So instead of the FBI going after the fucking banksters they're spending time and money going after a guy who made a valid and reasonable claim about the significance of dead polar bears in the artic.

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    2. Re:Context is nice by tragedy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's very clear from the interview though, that the paper wasn't meant to be some big significant thing. It was meant to be a report to a nature journal that they saw more polar bears swimming than typical, then, shortly after, they saw more dead, apparently drowned, polar bears than they'd ever seen. That's the sort of thing you write small papers about to journals. He mentions a paper a colleague wrote about seeing mallards eating salmon. This is just reporting on observations they've made tangential to their actual mission, which is observing whale populations (and as he points out during the interview, concluding that they're doing just fine and that human development isn't affecting them is pretty much part of the job even when it isn't really true).

  4. The Oil Corps by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you click through the links in the Summit County Voice articles that have been covering this story, you get to
    "Feds may be muzzling scientist over Arctic research":

    We think they’re [Interior Department investigators] nervous about his portfolio of science in the Arctic,” said [watchdog org] PEER director Jeff Ruch, explaining that there’s enormous pressure to move ahead with offshore drilling in the [Arctic] region.

    It's obvious what's going on here. The Interior Department, which under Bush/Cheney took cocaine and hookers from drilling, other oil and other energy corps who are supposed to pay (minimal) royalties to the Department, is totally corrupt. That is the agency that pretended to regulate BP and other drillers, allowing the Mocambo blowout to poison the Gulf last year (and generally, in less reported ongoing operations). Obama hasn't worked hard enough to replace the crooks running that department. But it's much harder when the Senate's Republican minority abuses the filibuster to block any useful replacement of the crooks, installed by Bush/Cheney when Republicans had the monopoly over all 3 branches. Specifically here Republican senator James Inhofe, paramount climate change denier, is wrangling the scientist witchhunt to protect the oil corps. Not to mention the lockstep loyalty Republicans practice in opposition to anything Obama does. Especially when it might interfere with oil corps' vast, subsidized profits protected from the consequences of their epic destruction.

    I don't know why we even have to ask "who's responsible?" Of course it's the oil corps and their wholly owned assets in the government. The government should run real investigations, try and convict the people making and executing these plans. Then anyone asking the question will have to be an obvious employee of the oil corps, making their living by trying to make it somehow questionable who's doing this to us.

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    1. Re:The Oil Corps by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you are wrong.

      The most dedicated and knowledgeable people I have ever worked with are federal employees. The primary difference is that federal employees, and many government employees, get to a point where they are happy with their job and have no desire to move up. The benefit of this is that it helps negate the peter principle, and you end up with incredibly knowledgeable and reliable people.m The down side is in the private sector their is a strong up or out attitude,. So when they see people who have had the same job for 5 years, they perceive 'lazy'.

      You need to stop getting your opinions of the real world from movies and sensational headlines.

      15 years ago I had the same opinion as you. The I did audit work and was surprised by, overall, how efficient he government actually is compared to the private sector; which is a mess.

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    2. Re:The Oil Corps by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So? I work in NYC, and what they said is at least as true of private corporate workers, but without any "serving their country" glory.

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    3. Re:The Oil Corps by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Do you really think that Big Oil influencing government is a bigger threat than Big Green doing the same?

      "Big Green?" Seriously?

    4. Re:The Oil Corps by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Winston Churchill: Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

      It's likewise also the worst place to work - except for the others.

      I note that while government and corporations both suck, no government but yes corporations sucks worse than no corporations but yes government. The Soviet Union sucked, but Somalia sucks worse. What's worst is when the government is just a tool of the corporations: fascism. And that really sucks. Fascist cubicles are the worst cubicles.

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    5. Re:The Oil Corps by catmistake · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Interior Department ... is totally corrupt.

      It is accepted that the Minerals Management Service was corrupt (some thin front to give Big Oil permission to do whatever they wanted). But I seriously doubt the National Park Service, the Geological Society or the Fish and Wildlife Service are "totally corrupt."

    6. Re:The Oil Corps by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 3, Informative

      The concept of "big oil" comes from the fact that the oil companies spend almost $100,000,000 per year lobbying the US Congress, and about the same amount for other governments in the world in order to ensure that laws enacted are for their best interest.

      "Big Green" publishes thousands of scientific papers with the same goal.

      I'm not sure which is more desirable to society, do you? Which should we celebrate and which should we condemn?

      If you have to choose one path, which do you pick?

      Man.... so difficult.

    7. Re:The Oil Corps by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sorry, it was actually $146 million last year.

      Back in 2006, Bush passed a law giving Exxon a $6 billion annual tax credit. Exxon promptly reported a $30 billion profit.

      The total lobbying bills from environmental organizations amount to barely $8 million.

  5. Re:why is science so mistrusted? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problems come when the evidence is so complicated that it requires years of specialist education to become fully informed. In that situation, the scientist with a mountain of studies to back him will lose public debate to the charismatic speaker with a few catchy soundbytes. That's the problem here: The public is stupid, always has been, and always will be. Because each individual is highly knowledgeable only in their own small field, which means that the majority is ignorant of every field. This combines with the natural tendency of humans to vastly overestimate their own knowledge. I recall there was a survey that circulated in the news a few years ago for finding that somewhere more than ninety percent of drivers thought they were a better driver than most.

  6. Re:why is science so mistrusted? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes the truth is just so inconvenient, people choose subconsciously to reject it. Climate change is a very good example of this. If the claims of scientists are true, then something has to be done - and whatever the something is will be horribly expensive, economically disadvantagious, personally inconvenient for millions of people and politically difficult in a time when any form of regulation meets with popular resistance. Far easier simply to deny anything is wrong, and thus remove the need to do anything. It isn't even something people realise they are doing.

  7. Re:why is science so mistrusted? by SlideGuitar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonesense on every count. Scientists have largely supported trusting institutions that support science, and institutions that make conclusions that are based on scientific skepticism.

    Nobody IS saying that "replace coal now or millions will die" is a scientific conclusion. It is a policy conclusion based on a scientific conclusion. What they do say is that carbon increases heat absorption, we're increasing carbon output, and the temperature and weather is measurably changing. But policy is never a conclusion of the scientific method. Policy is the logical conclusion that rational people make in the face of scientific evidence and in light of facts revealed by the scientific method. The very idea that there should be evidence to support a policy conclusion, as opposed to the fact conclusions upon which the policy conclusion is based, indicates that you basically have no understanding of either science or policy.

    I don't know, likewise, any scientist who has ever used any evidence derived from the scientific method to conclude that in a scientific sense that "god doesn't exist." What scientists typically and rightly say is that we don't need god to explain the evidence, that god is not a testable hypothesis, and that god is basically irrelevant to our theories and ideas. Only in the fevered imaginings of fundamentalists are scientists drawing the conclusion from scientific evidence and methods that god doesn't exist. They just don't do that, because by and large they know that this would be absurd.

  8. Re:Global warming is a lie! by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you actually read anything about why he resigned from the APS, or are you just making assumptions?

    His big point was their statement that AGW is *incontrovertible*.

    He's right. That's not science.

    His other opinions on the matter may or may not be valid, and are irrelevant. He's right. Deciding that one sort of conclusion is correct and may not be questioned or investigated is decidedly unscientific. Is the speed of light constant at all places and times? Hey, let's do some math, let's devise some experiments! Awesome! SCIENCE! Are humans causing global warming? YES AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH, ACCEPT THAT IT IS TRUE!

    Huh? The fuck?

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