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Amazon To Offer Kindle ebooks Via Public Libraries

destinyland writes "Amazon announced this morning that they're making Kindle ebooks available for free in America through 11,000 local public libraries. 'We're thrilled that Amazon is offering such a new approach to library ebook...' said one Seattle librarian, and one Kindle blog listed out the top advantages to having them available in libraries."

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  1. Not in the US by Nathan+Campos · · Score: 0

    That's very nice. Sadly I'm not in the US, so I can't get the ebooks from a public library and have all those advantages :(

    1. Re:Not in the US by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you have a nice oppurtunity. You have a known proven buisness with no competition.

    2. Re:Not in the US by wiedzmin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that seems to be a recurring pattern for me too - outside of the US = not eligible to access some Amazon Kindle titles period (like the full set of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy), buy some products from Amazon store (Tachyon HD Micro for example), be eligible for their free shipping, watch Hulu (or a billion other video streaming services), access good half of Netflix titles... you name it. If you ask me - that's US companies missing out on business, while consumers have to suffer... for whatever reason.

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    3. Re:Not in the US by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd guess starting a business that complies with US laws would be difficult enough. I'm glad I don't have to build one that complies with 194 legal customs and intellectual property laws. So from that point it's understandable, albeit still sad. (I'm outside the US myself)

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    4. Re:Not in the US by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you have a nice oppurtunity. You have a known proven buisness with no competition.

      That's the great thing about capitalism. I'm free to compete in this market with Amazon, just like I can compete in the desktop OS market with Microsoft or the shiny electronic toy market with Sony or Apple.
      And everyone's free to dine at the Ritz.

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  2. What about 1984? by AdamJS · · Score: 3, Funny

    I presume the service will automatically delete the books a week after borrowing?

    1. Re:What about 1984? by Inner_Child · · Score: 4, Informative

      Considering it's just Overdrive, which has been around for a while now, yes, libraries have set lending periods. Mine is a choice of 7, 14, or 21 days. Yes, they do automatically get "deleted" (actually they just stop working, at least for ePub titles), but you can re-borrow them if you'd like. The bigger issue is with publishers imposing artificial scarcity on digital titles, forcing libraries to purchase a new copy after it's been borrowed a certain number of times (in order to maintain the same revenue stream they have with dead-tree books, which actually degrade).

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    2. Re:What about 1984? by Inner_Child · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On another note: would you rather they didn't expire so you can pay exorbitant late fees?

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    3. Re:What about 1984? by vivek7006 · · Score: 1

      Or you can get rid of the DRM using this nifty python script. http://bit.ly/9zGL5W Once the DRM is gone, then its a vanilla epub file which works anywhere including ipad/iphone/itouch

    4. Re:What about 1984? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      But not Kindle

    5. Re:What about 1984? by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Huh? Why not?

      If you're just talking about it being an epub file (which I'd be slightly surprised if the books you can borrow on Kindle are DRM'd epub's, but maybe they are - I'm too lazy to research that):

      Calibre.

      If you're already going through the trouble of running something to strip DRM, pumping that through an format conversion is almost zero extra work by comparison. You don't even need to install anything if you use one of the many online services to do it.

      Not sure why you said "But not Kindle". They won't run as an app on iPhone either, and none of the popular epub eink readers will read a mobi file either, but that doesn't mean you can't do a very very simple conversion and read it perfectly fine on those devices (iPhone via installing an epub reader app; Kindle by converting $source_format_x to mobi or pdf or images (comic books); Nook + others by converting $whatever_format to epub).

    6. Re:What about 1984? by vivek7006 · · Score: 1

      The kindle library books wont be DRMed epub. Instead they will be DRMed version of whatever kindle supports (AZW I guess)

    7. Re:What about 1984? by Inner_Child · · Score: 1

      And there are scripts (and calibre plugins) to do that as well. So it's no different than before.

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    8. Re:What about 1984? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that 1984 was zapped because Amazon found out the publisher wasn't authorized to distribute it, and thus Amazon was not authorized to distribute it?
      (something about it being out of copyright in some countries)

      It could have been any random book, and they apologized and (supposedly) took measures so that such mass deletions will not occur again if a similar situation presents itself.

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    9. Re:What about 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convert it with Calibre. http://calibre-ebook.com/

    10. Re:What about 1984? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup. In fact if I want to borrow a library book I can already do it on epub and use the Adobe equivalents to scrub it and Calibre to convert to mobi.

      If people could get this stuff working with audio doing it with text is pretty trivial.

    11. Re:What about 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize the reason doesn't matter because of the sheer hilarity that the book was 1984 - a book all about Big Brother?

    12. Re:What about 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot believe someone in this thread is making excuses for the Amazon 1984 incident.
      So if it'd been a dead-tree book, it'd have been OK for them to pick the lock on your front door, come into your house to retrieve "their" book, leave some money in its place, and disappear again would it?

      "took measures"
      Bullshit. Their TOS still allows them to do exactly the same again. They didn't change it.

      "It could have been any random book"
      However, the one it happened with seems rather appropriate, don't you think?
      Actually no, because I have every reason to believe that you *don't* think.
      Perhaps it scares you.

      Also, you need to give back that @fsf.org email address, it doesn't suit you (and I think RMS would have some choice words about your comment). I think @sony.com would be more your style.

    13. Re:What about 1984? by Builder · · Score: 1

      And that makes it OK ?

      B&N can't break into my house and take a book back because they didn't have the rights to distribute it. Neither should Amazon be able to.

    14. Re:What about 1984? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Either two or four weeks, depending on which option the user selects. (The reason someone might pick two weeks is because you can only have so many ebooks checked out at once, typically ten, although that depends on the library.)

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    15. Re:What about 1984? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      See, you're forgetting the fact that the book resides on their servers. So removing their copy took it out of the database. This idea doesn't apply to dead-tree.

      And I think you can kiss my ass about my FSF membership. I pay my dues. I'm allowed to have my own ideas even still.

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    16. Re:What about 1984? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      See, you're forgetting the fact that the book resides on their servers. So removing their copy took it out of the database. This idea doesn't apply to dead-tree. There's simply no physical analog.

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    17. Re:What about 1984? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      you could try and remember the title and download it later from a non-public library, which is probably illegal in most civilized places (excuse me for the lack of punctuation and emphasis there) but to some the not spreading of knowledge might be considered a crime as well (so i didnt post this, my account got hacked)

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    18. Re:What about 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The book they deleted resided on hardware owned by the people who bought it. If they just deleted it from their servers it wouldn't be a big deal, but they also remotely deleted it from hardware owned by their customers, the analogy in the post you replied to is accurate.

    19. Re:What about 1984? by Builder · · Score: 1

      This ^

      That's my real problem with it. People bought it and had it on their hardware. It was then remotely deleted.

      How is deleting something that I've bought from hardware that I own different than coming into my home and reclaiming a physical object that I bought ?

      The IP industries can't have it both ways. If they want to treat bytes as property when it comes to infringement, they have to accept their own world view when it comes to trying to take products back.

    20. Re:What about 1984? by AdamJS · · Score: 0

      It's a joke, Francis.

  3. That hasn't been already done ? by Zilog · · Score: 1

    With tech tools, the better way to create envy for something you're selling is to give a try to your futurs consumers.

  4. Is there a list of the libraries? by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I would be curious to see if my library system is on it. And I know damn well that they don't update their website except maybe once a year.

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    1. Re:Is there a list of the libraries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would be through the Overdrive Media Service... and yes there is a list of participating libraries http://www.overdrive.com/About/Partners.aspx#Libraries . I work for a Public Library that does participate and it is a very useful service. OMS has had compatibility with all but Kindle up until now.

    2. Re:Is there a list of the libraries? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      Check you library's web site. All you need is a library card and pin.

    3. Re:Is there a list of the libraries? by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Be warned that search tool is apparently clunky. I searched for my city/state and was told "no matches." Backing up I tried our zip code and my local library showed right up along with two others in the area. I'd recommend sticking with zip code.

    4. Re:Is there a list of the libraries? by Inner_Child · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've found that the classic search is much better: http://search.overdrive.com/classic/

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  5. Mr Cynic here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, libraries having limited resources will buy titles in one maybe two formats. And considering the popularity of ereaders, I'm guessing that Kindle versions of titles will be purchased with the books on tape version - no expensive printed books. Which means, if I want to read some of those titles, I'll have to buy a Kindle. It's not like they'll buy Kindles for patrons use and if they do, they'll have to be kept on the premises.

    So, this is just a way for Amazon to sell more Kindles.

    None of you thought they were doing this for the public good, did you?

    1. Re:Mr Cynic here by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      The thing I like about the Kindle is that it's software as well as the hardware device. I have a Kindle app on my phone, desktop, laptop, and tablet, but no hardware from Amazon.

      I think they're more interested in the part where you can press a button and buy the book from Amazon and keep your bookmarks and annotations.

    2. Re:Mr Cynic here by fruity_pebbles · · Score: 1

      Overdrive offers library e-books in several formats. All the books I browsed through at my library today were offered in Kindle, ePub, and PDF.

    3. Re:Mr Cynic here by Inner_Child · · Score: 1

      So, libraries having limited resources will buy titles in one maybe two formats. And considering the popularity of ereaders, I'm guessing that Kindle versions of titles will be purchased with the books on tape version - no expensive printed books. Which means, if I want to read some of those titles, I'll have to buy a Kindle. It's not like they'll buy Kindles for patrons use and if they do, they'll have to be kept on the premises.

      So, this is just a way for Amazon to sell more Kindles.

      None of you thought they were doing this for the public good, did you?

      Except that isn't what's happening. That one copy (or two, or however many for popular novels) the library buys will, as I understand it, be available in any format, but only one of them checked out at a time, of course. If the book's in, you can choose your format and go. There's no "I'll have to buy a kindle" or "I'll have to buy X e-reader".

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    4. Re:Mr Cynic here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, a business wants to make money!

    5. Re:Mr Cynic here by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Amazon provides Kindle client apps on practically all platforms today - even WP7 and webOS have them. And now they also have a "cloud reader" that works in any WebKit browser.

      Amazon's business model with respect to Kindle and associated services seems to be about making money on book sales, not making money on Kindles. Which also explains why they keep pushing the price on the device down steadily over the last few years. With this program, I'd imagine that library books would automatically expire after a set date, and you'll be given an option to buy the book if you want to continue reading. Also, it'll probably also offer you to buy the book if all "copies" are already checked out at the library.

    6. Re:Mr Cynic here by steveg · · Score: 1

      Amazon doesn't particularly care if you buy a Kindle. At the prices they're charging, it's doubtful that their profit margin is very high.

      They want you to *have* an Kindle, or Kindle software, so that you will buy Kindle books. *That* they care about.

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  6. Congratulations Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Congratulations Amazon! You now offer a service that ALL OF THE OTHER ereader sellers have been able to take advantage of for years! B&N, Sony, Kobo, Bookeen, etc...

    1. Re:Congratulations Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations Amazon! You now offer a service that ALL OF THE OTHER ereader sellers have been able to take advantage of for years! B&N, Sony, Kobo, Bookeen, etc...

      It really has taken them a while to get this up and running. On the other hand, all other vendors still need to catch up to Amazon's confluence of media selection and prices, ease of self-publishing, cost of physical device, synced notes and bookmarks, and cross-platform clients.

    2. Re:Congratulations Amazon by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Congratulations Amazon! You now offer a service that ALL OF THE OTHER ereader sellers have been able to take advantage of for years! B&N, Sony, Kobo, Bookeen, etc...

      Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes. It could've been analogous to how other digital music retailers (e.g. Amazon) were able to offer DRM-free music before Apple did, because the powers-that-be behind the scenes were trying to weaken Apple's hold on the market.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the big publishers were holding out on Amazon for as long as they could because they felt Amazon has too much sway in the current ebook market.

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    3. Re:Congratulations Amazon by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      B&N has most of that.

    4. Re:Congratulations Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have no sway in the ebook market despite being by far the most popular device maker. The publishers control the prices of the content. Have you not noticed the massive increase in ebook prices? It costs more for a tiny text file than it does to get a massive hardback.

    5. Re:Congratulations Amazon by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I thought they went bankrupt?

    6. Re:Congratulations Amazon by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I don't think that anyone with even a slight interest in e-books isn't aware that the kindle was the only holdout for overdrive. I'm happy it finally happened, while still very aware of the fact that it's been an absurdly long time to get here.

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    7. Re:Congratulations Amazon by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      No that was Borders.

    8. Re:Congratulations Amazon by jonadab · · Score: 1

      As a rule, the major publishers are doing everything in their power to make sure borrowing ebooks from libraries never catches on in any significant way. For one thing, they've only allowed one (1) vendor to offer them to libraries, and they made darned sure it wasn't a company that would be capable of delivering a convenient experience. The hoops a patron has to go through in order to actually check out an ebook and get it onto their device and read it make federal government red tape look simple.

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  7. Control by mfwitten · · Score: 1

    Nothing exposes the primitive nature of profit quite like the arbitrary rules that govern the copying of easily copied information.

    As an aside: Somebody is getting paid; library books are by no means free. That is the great deception propagated by social programs: "The benefits are free."

  8. Why Local Libraries? by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

    I don't really understand why this system should work long term. What benifet does the local library add to a website where you borrow books? I would think you could cut the libraries out of the equation and not lose anything.

    1. Re:Why Local Libraries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The local libraries are the ones footing the bill.

    2. Re:Why Local Libraries? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      And the bill is a lot smaller with ebooks.

    3. Re:Why Local Libraries? by roblarky · · Score: 1

      Plus, since libraries are public funded, this may help to justify them when they run the reports of how many citizens are using their services. Much like someone said in the Comcast thread; I don't personally use public libraries, but for reasons of which I am uncertain, I feel they're important and should stick around.

    4. Re:Why Local Libraries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      All too true. I was a professional librarian for years. The MILLIONS of federal and state tax dollars that go into this welfare program for the literate are no longer justifiable. The buildings, staff and other costs are very high, and there is no longer a benefit to society. We could simply fund a Kindle into the hands of each user and be done with it.

    5. Re:Why Local Libraries? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I support the concept of libraries. However, I do agree that in the modern age they could be consolidated tremendously with technology. There is no reason to have stacks of books that need to be sorted every day when you could just download them. I'm sure for the cost of maintaining the local libraries a state could just buy an e-book reader for every citizen...

  9. So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Speaking as someone in the last stages of preparing content for publication, I'm seriously leaning towards dropping plans for a Kindle edition because of this.

    Letting libraries check out books is certainly a useful thing. The mere fact that a library is interested enough in your title to buy a copy is an indication of its quality, and has the potential to drive future sales by exposing more people to your book. However, unless there's a part of the equation that Amazon isn't telling us, this new policy completely destroys the value part of that equation from an author or publisher's perspective.

    Previously, if those 11,000 libraries wanted to be able to lend my book, I would have gotten 11,000 sales. Now, if I interpret this correctly, all those people checking out the book translate into zero sales. In effect, Amazon is declaring that it has the right to loan copies of your book to anyone for free without you seeing a penny. This not only cuts the legs right out from under your current book sales, but also all future book sales unless you refuse to publish a Kindle version of your next book.

    Worse, for those of us who are anti-DRM, we're completely screwed. I don't want DRM on my books, period, because it limits my readers' options for viewing content that they paid for. However, if my readers aren't paying for it, and are instead using a gratis lending model, a DRM-free book basically means that there's nothing stopping someone from checking it out, copying it to a new file, checking it back in, and basically getting the book for free. And unlike downloading it through bittorrent or whatever, because they obtained it through a legal channel, there is no way to track that behavior, no way to police it, and it isn't even all that easy to explain to users why it is wrong, or under what circumstances it is wrong. So books would have to be DRM-encumbered for lending purposes, and it's not clear if Amazon provides any such distinction, nor is it clear if it is even technically feasible for them to make such a distinction within their current model.

    And finally, for the ultimate kick in the teeth, the Kindle edition of any book is inherently a substandard experience compared with the EPUB version because Kindle's support for HTML and CSS is utterly abysmal. This means that if I produce a Kindle edition, the vast majority of the readers of my books are likely to be able to freeload without me seeing a penny, and they will be disinclined to buy future content because the current content won't look as good as it should.

    So explain to me again why I should support Kindle at all. At this point, despite the fact that I've wasted a week hacking a copy of my EPUB books to look marginally acceptable on Kindle, I'm strongly leaning towards writing off those extra hours as an unfortunate mistake unless Amazon provides clarification of their policy in a way that assuages these concerns. I will, of course, release EPUB versions for more functional readers like iPad, and (if Adobe fixes the four or five major CSS bugs I filed, including one potential security hole/crasher) possibly Nook.

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    1. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by MBCook · · Score: 2

      This is a service called Overdrive which has been around for quite a while. My understanding is that each library has to "buy" the eBooks, and can only lend out each of their "copies" that they "purchased". They can't lend out 2000 copies of a book if they only bought 3. It's basically setup to mirror the physical book model.

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    2. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by PopeScott · · Score: 1

      I have borrowed books from the library that I went on to buy.
      And honestly most people do not take advantage of the library. You wont be losing many sales. If any.
      I sort of feel like I should have just called you a dick and been done with it. Any author who would essentially say F the Library is a dick.

    3. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Relayman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The libraries buy the books they lend, including ebooks. If they buy five copies, they can only lend five copies at a time. So, if 11,000 libraries are lending your book, there should be at least 11,000 sales to you. You imply that you are already publishing electronically, so why don't you already know this?

      You should have spent the time typing your long-winded response to actually researching the topic.

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    4. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      You are still selling to the libraries. There is nothing different from selling a dead tree book. The same lending policies apply to ebooks as to regular books.

    5. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      11 thousand views of your book is 11 thousand more people who know of it versus zero who know about it at all or care.

      All removing your book from kindle will do, is reduce your market, sadly. Amazon may have retarded DRM (and it does, and all ebooks do - Nook is just as horrid) - but at least it's an additional market to your book. 11 thousand now have access, somewhere in there is more than 0 sales for you - yes, amazon makes more money here. That is why you *never* rely on a publisher or 3rd party that has full control of your information anyway. All they do is limit the market for their own profit.

      Nobody said you have to do an epub version, but it is simply an additional option for you. Or you could make your book available in some format that people can put into an ebook reader in the first place.

      What other formatting are you using other than epub, anyway?

    6. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by DamienNightbane · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should be writing for the sake of telling a story or spreading information instead of worrying about sales because you see it as a way to make money.

      The only to make money by writing these days is to create gutter trash fantasy novels aimed at overweight teenage girls and illiterate adults.

    7. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Uhh no. Those libraries each have to purchase the book for their local collection. So you would still get 11,000 library sales. Only participating publishers books are available for the libraries to purchase. This isn't copyright infringment.

    8. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by GiMP · · Score: 1

      Where does this or any other article say that Overdrive isn't buying the books through payments to the publishers? Because this is through Overdrive and because of the description of the changes to Whispersync, I'm more inclined to think these books are provided from Overdrive themselves and Amazon has simply provided this already-existing library service to push their books to Kindles. Either way, the library of works available goes through Overdrive, not through Amazon. Overdrive has explicit, direct partnerships with the publishers of the content the serve.

    9. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      Previously, if those 11,000 libraries wanted to be able to lend my book, I would have gotten 11,000 sales. Now, if I interpret this correctly, all those people checking out the book translate into zero sales.

      These two sentences don't go together. If a library wants a lending copy, it would buy it. There are your 11,000 sales. Then (whether dead tree or data) they lend out their copy. You wouldn't get sales from lent paper copies any more than you get them from data copies, so all those people checking it out would mean zero sales for hard copies as well. Only people who liked it enough to buy it after they got it from the library would pay for a hard copy, and those people can buy a Kindle copy as well. You could make the argument that every single borrower who checks it out will steal it, but I'd have to see some proof that that's the case before I'd buy it. If someone checks a book out of the library and then likes it so much that they decide they want a copy to reread, it stands to reason that they'd want to support you by buying that copy. It may make it easier to steal the book, but that would be true for every eReader anyway.

      Virg

    10. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by webheaded · · Score: 1

      That isn't what this says at all. Nowhere did it say that Amazon was giving your books away for free. Did you even read the article? They're teaming up with libraries using a service they were already using and making it more convenient to use with the Kindle. That's it. They're giving free Kindle VERSIONS of books available through the over drive service.

      Chill out. Seriously. I can't believe you produced such a huge rant on so little information.

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    11. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      See Neil Gaiman's take on e-book piracy, then re-think your stance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

    12. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Chill out. Seriously. I can't believe you produced such a huge rant on so little information.

      He's a writer.

    13. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by DdJ · · Score: 1

      Previously, if those 11,000 libraries wanted to be able to lend my book, I would have gotten 11,000 sales.

      This may seem like a minor nit, but as someone who has depended on it in the past, I have to mention that you're completely ignoring inter-library loans. The number of books paid for depends more on the borrowing load than on the number of institutions involved in the lending -- and I'm talking about paper, not etexts.

      I'm pretty sure there will be some kind of compensation model here.

      Also note that Amazon isn't the first to do this. They are in no way blazing new territory here. They're partnering with OverDrive, and OverDrive has been lending out etexts for a while now. It's just that in the past, they were EPUB or PDF format with Adobe's DRM, and so were largely unavailable to Kindle users specifically (but Sony and Nook and iOS users could already get 'em).

      http://www.overdrive.com/

    14. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 1

      Speaking as someone in the last stages of preparing content for publication, I'm seriously leaning towards dropping plans for a Kindle edition because of this.

      Maybe you could tell us the name of your book? You give the impression that it has been very thoroughly researched, and provides an insightful look at something or other.

    15. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Bah. There's nothing inherently wrong with writing for the purpose of making money. As you note it's generally not nearly as efficient as a lot of other methods of earning money, but "writing for the sake of the art" isn't all it's cracked up to be, either.

    16. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by ynp7 · · Score: 1

      Are you aware that the library lending program is administered through OverDrive, not directly through Amazon? Are you also aware that it is opt-in only on a per-title basis?

    17. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      The library is a marketing arm for you - if it buys your book it will publicize it as a new acquisition. People are also impatient they got this newsletter from their library on the new release but it is currently checked out at the moment.. time to buy it online.

      People who like a book after reading it from library will buy it for themselves or as gift for someone. I've bought 3 books off Amazon as gifts for others in the past year because I was exposed to them in the library one of which had an $80 price tag. I would have never seen or heard about the book and it would have been off my radar.. instead it helped me give a great gift that the recipient really appreciated and helped the author with another sale.

      I can't speak to the experience of epub vs.kindle but more exposure is usually not a bad thing and owners of the kindle apparently like the device. Freeloaders freeload... You won't sell to them regardless of platform and if you have spent anytime on slashdot and read an RIAA/MPAA/Gaming Torrent thread you would already be aware of this dynamic (I'm neither supporting or admonishing this behaviour. Just pointing out that it exists).

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    18. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by ynp7 · · Score: 2

      Furthermore, if someone is going to pirate an ebook, why would they bother going through their library's website? I'm sure a few people will do this, thinking that they are somehow doing something "more ethical" or whatever (I've heard this argument from people who check out CDs and rip MP3s as opposed to just torrenting the albums), but it's not going to be very many. Why put up with the extra hassles?

      If I had to take a guess, I'd say that the vast majority of people borrowing ebooks through their local library wouldn't even know what DRM is, let alone how to go about removing it.

      Best thing for authors (such as GP) to remember when publishing electronically: the people who are going to pay for your content will pay for it if the quality is there. The people who are going to pirate it aren't likely to buy it at any price and aren't even worth worrying about.

    19. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a service called Overdrive which has been around for quite a while. My understanding is that each library has to "buy" the eBooks, and can only lend out each of their "copies" that they "purchased". They can't lend out 2000 copies of a book if they only bought 3. It's basically setup to mirror the physical book model.

      Which is unfortunate, because the local public library system typically buys only 1 electronic copy per work, despite being one of the larger systems in the nation. So everything worth reading is backlogged 10-20 people.

      It would have made more sense to buy a block of licenses from the publisher or from a clearing house, overall.

      Then again, it would have made more sense if you didn't have to route the book through a specific brand of OS just to get it into the patron's ebook reader.

    20. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Where did this article mention overdrive? The summary says that Amazon is "making Kindle books available for free". Neither the Slashdot article nor the Amazon press release provided any indication that authors would get paid for this in any way. So my reaction is exactly what Amazon should expect from anyone who isn't already familiar with Overdrive and how they operate....

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    21. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be he hasn't even gotten one sales since none of the libraries actually want his book.

    22. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the article?

      Yes, I did. Nowhere in the Slashdot article or the press release or the blog entry did Amazon say anything about teaming up with anyone, much less the name of the service. Go read it again.

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    23. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Thanks. See that's the sort of information that the Amazon press release should have contained. If it had said, "Local libraries can lend any book that they have on their shelves electronically in a Kindle edition", I wouldn't have jumped to a very wrong conclusion. Instead, the article said Amazon "is making Kindle ebooks available for free in America through 11,000 local public libraries." I'm not sure how to read that sentence other than the way I read it, and the Amazon press release did nothing to change my interpretation of that sentence.

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    24. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It's a work of fiction, though it is pedantically researched in a lot of areas.

      If I took the time to research my Slashdot posts to the same degree that I research my novels, I wouldn't have time to post. Or write, for that matter. Or do my day job. Just saying. :-)

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    25. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Let's see. First line of the press release (which in this case is the article): "Amazon.com today announced that Kindle and Kindle app customers can now borrow Kindle books from more than 11,000 local libraries in the United States." I fail to see how "borrowing books from libraries" is substantially different from "libraries lending books" other than point of view.

    26. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot doesn't have articles, it has summaries, which generally should not be relied on as the sole source of information. In addition, the press release has a link 'for more information' in the very first paragraph. And that page has a bullet which says "Visit the website of a U.S. library that offers digital services from OverDrive." I would think that as a writer you would know that summaries and press releases seldom contain all the information someone would like to know about a subject.

      In the time it took you to write your little rant you could have found out that not only is this service provided by OverDrive, but also that:

      OverDrive was a founding member of the International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF). Established in 2000, the IDPF promotes the development of electronic publishing applications and products that will benefit creators of content, makers of reading systems, and consumers, including the industry standard EPUB format.

      Yeah, sounds like they are really out to screw authors.

    27. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Speaking as someone in the last stages of preparing content for publication, I'm seriously leaning towards dropping plans for a Kindle edition because of this.

      Good.

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    28. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Hes just an idiot.

      Tho, don't libraries still get a discount on what they purchase? "oh no, i wont publish in print either beacuse its not fair"

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    29. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Amazon "is making Kindle ebooks available for free to the borrowers in America through 11,000 local public libraries." I'm not sure how to read that sentence other than the way I read it, and the Amazon press release did nothing to change my interpretation of that sentence.

      That's how I read it. I don't think that's an unreasonable inference as it's how libraries currently work and Amazon wouldn't do well to go with a self-destructive lending model.

      Call me an optimist, I guess.

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    30. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      So you were expecting me to:

      • Follow a link intended for end users, even though I was looking for information targeted at authors and publishers (and, as expected, not find that information because it isn't there).
      • Either guess or magically already know that OverDrive is a company and not the name of this new Amazon service (which can't easily be guessed from context).
      • Look up that company to find out how they operate.
      • Assume that Amazon will work with them in some specific way.

      All because Amazon couldn't be bothered to put even one single sentence in their press release targeted at anyone other than end users.

      My concerns are also pretty unique among authors in that I'm anti-DRM. For most folks, this would be a non-issue because by authorizing Amazon to use DRM on the title, the rental model would, at least to some extent, "just work". So it's not that I suspected Amazon would jeopardize all of their sales, but rather that this was a stealthy attempt to get publishers and authors to publish content in a locked-in-to-Kindle DRMed format.

      And this is why most companies have dozens of people reading over their press releases before they go out. A press release is not a marketing blurb targeted at a single audience. A press release is an informational statement that is read by a wide range of audiences from stockholders to users to strategic partners. A proper press release must not scare the living crap out of any of those audiences. If it does, you're doing it wrong.

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    31. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by webheaded · · Score: 1

      I applaud your stance on DRM but I am annoyed by your laziness on reading about this particular subject. I came into this article probably knowing as much about this as you...nothing. It took me like 5 minutes to get up to speed. You and I both know you could have spent a little more time reading and a little less time complaining.

      It's not that I'm picking on you, but I get tired of seeing rants going off half cocked like this. Some of the discussions on here are just ridiculous. I generally consider the discussion on this site much better than Digg or Reddit (less lol more informative) and it irritates me to see people pulling shit out of their asses in discussion here. Granted I'm not perfect but I'll still call you on your shit and would expect the same in return when I get a little overly excited about something.

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    32. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by GiMP · · Score: 1

      It mentions Overdrive when you click the link contained within the press release. This is also one of several published within the past year related to this new feature. The other press releases were more explicit about how this would be through a partnership with Overdrive.

    33. Re:So Amazon is violating copyrights en masse? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      And honestly most people do not take advantage of the library. You wont be losing many sales.

      That is because libraries are inconvenient --- there is a physical location you actually have to go to to find your books, and even once you know where it is, you still have to walk down the stacks to actually get it, assuming they are at the branch you visit. Otherwise you have to wait for ILL to ship it over.

      And also because library books are a little gross. It's not their fault, they're just trying to preserve the books so they can lend them to a lot of people, but they have these disgusting cellophane covers that pick up fingerprints and scratches like nobody's business, forcing you to think about all the myriad of fingers that have touched that cover before you, and whether or not some of them read those books in the bathroom....

      The only thing more disgusting to touch while you're reading is the glossy cover of a magazine at the doctor's office, where you know at least some of those fingers were almost certainly attached to people with contagious illnesses.

      You don't get any of that with digital distribution. Every copy is as pristine as the original. You read it on your own device, so you know where it's been. And you don't have to hunt for it. You just type in the library's website and the name of the book and whether they have it or not, you know within seconds. No worrying about inconvenient hours or locations or waiting on book post.

      I think that as e-readers become more popular (and people realize the facts of the previous paragraph), we're going to see quite a lot of growing pains as the industry and readers shift to the new marketplace conditions.

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  10. For Canadian customers by AikonMGB · · Score: 1

    FYI for Canadians waiting to borrow eBooks for the Kindle from their local library, I received the following response from the Kindle feedback team:

    [...]

    At this time, public library books for Kindle are currently only available for libraries in the U.S. that offer digital services from OverDrive. Don't worry, our Kindle Team is working on having this feature available to libraries outside the U.S. as well. We'll announce any updates on our website.

    [...]

    ---- Original message: ----

    From the Kindle/OverDrive press release, I see: "Visit the website of a U.S. library that offers digital services from OverDrive."

    As a Canadian Kindle owner, I am very keen on being able to use this service with my local library (in this case, Toronto), which already supports OverDrive for other ebook readers. Often I am turned off paying $10 to $20 for a Kindle ebook when I don't know if I will like it; being able to try a great number of books from my local library will let me better decide which ebooks I want to purchase for my device.

    Regards,

    -Aikon

    1. Re:For Canadian customers by darnkitten · · Score: 1

      If you are near the US border, cross over and find a library with Overdrive that will allow you to get a card (many rural libraries will--we need registered users). Sign up for your Overdrive account on one of the library's computers, and through the magic of the internet, you should be able to reserve and check them out from your computer at home.

    2. Re:For Canadian customers by AikonMGB · · Score: 1

      If you are near the US border, cross over and find a library with Overdrive that will allow you to get a card (many rural libraries will--we need registered users). Sign up for your Overdrive account on one of the library's computers, and through the magic of the internet, you should be able to reserve and check them out from your computer at home.

      Interesting idea! If a little fraudulent.. I would first want to make sure there was no way this could come back and affect my existing purchased items. In an ideal world this would be a no-brainer, but this is Amazon we're talking about =/

      -Aikon

    3. Re:For Canadian customers by darnkitten · · Score: 1
      I'm actually not even sure if it would work. It works between counties (in-state) and part-year residents in other states can use the service, because it's tagged to the library card/account in the particular library where you sign up. I don't know if it would lock you out if you logged in from a Canadian IP address. I assume you would have to have a US Amazon account, in addition to an Amazon.ca account, and you could probably use a US proxy, etc etc.

      The existing system is set up to accommodate snowbirds and other part-year residents/vacationers: if you visit a town regularly, it becomes more of a pain to issue you yet another temp card than it would be to issue a permanent card. YMMV depending on the town and library.

  11. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    Barnes and Nobles has been doing this for some time now. In fact BN has used this in their advertising.

  12. No reader needed by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    If they are using Overdrive, you don't need a reader. The app works on your PC, smart phone, notebook, whatever.

  13. control ot knowledge... by stanjo74 · · Score: 1

    The knowledge of a civilization now in the hands of a corporation(s) thanks to DRM and a society that sold freedom for convenience.

    1. Re:control ot knowledge... by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      It was a society that had no choice; capital must find new places to invest and it sure won't stand by and watch the book market disappear. Indefinite 3% compound growth doesn't occur without some effort, after all.
      Assuming that history has not ceased, we can shape a new system without many of these twisted behaviors, but we'll have to stand up and dismantle the old one first.

    2. Re:control ot knowledge... by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      I suspect that there's some knowledge of civilization held outside the corporation. Well, I have some here.

      I'm tempted to post as an AC just in case Amazon come knocking on my door....

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  14. Nook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its nice that amazon has decided to offer this feature, but I have been reading library books on my nook since I bought it over a year ago.

  15. retitle story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overdrive, which has been licensing books to public libraries for quite awhile now, now offers Kindle format, too.

  16. Missed One Advantage by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    one Kindle blog listed out the top advantages to having them available in libraries.

    It is an interesting blog entry, that points out a bunch of the selfish little things that blogger gets out of it, but he missed one advantage:

    It is in the long-term best interests of society to make works of science and the useful arts available for borrowing to all. In fact, broadening the reach of such information is the only reason we suffer copyright to exist in the first place. The profit creators are granted through the right of first sale is just a means to that end.

    The amazing part of this story is not the wondrous new opportunity we have to borrow published materials from others after the first sale -- it is the chutzpah of the kleptocracy that kept it from happening on day one. And that selfish little kleptocrat blogger is no better. The point of this is not what it does for you, little man, it is what it does for society.

    1. Re:Missed One Advantage by DogDude · · Score: 1

      How is having "books" licensed for use on an expensive electronic gadget from a single multinational corporation "broadening the reach of information"? Seems like it's limiting access to those who can afford or are willing to spend hundreds of dollars for the latest electronic gadget, and Internet access. Books are universally available to anybody now. This is a step in the wrong direction.

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    2. Re:Missed One Advantage by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      $114 is an "expensive electronic gadget"? (Yes, that's for the ad-supported one.)

      See the recent stories about what "the poor" actually have: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty

    3. Re:Missed One Advantage by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      If your point is that the Kindle is, itself, a restricted medium and therefore a threat to increasing the breadth of information distribution, I can see your point. And I think we are fundamentally thinking in the same context; that the question is not how it affects any person or group of people, or even all people in the short run, but how it affects society in the long run. Since it creates a fiat restriction on the private actions of citizens, it must be justified by bedrock societal benefits.

      If that is what you are saying, then I can see your point. I think though that it gets a little muddled with the statement, "Books are universally available to anybody now."

      That statement seems to be saying that lending of electronic media would not expand the reach of science and the useful arts. I think that angle would fall somewhere between false and difficult to demonstrate -- more difficult to demonstrate than would be necessary to justify the fiat restriction on private actions of citizens. Further, unfortunately, it is currently the official position of the Librarian of Congress that electronic lending is, in fact, harmful to expanding the reach of science and the useful arts, and is therefore not covered by first sale doctrine. If that is what you are saying, that you think electronic lending should not be covered by first sale doctrine, then I cannot concur.

      I think your post could benefit by being more clear about why you disagree. I am not even clear which side you are advocating.

    4. Re:Missed One Advantage by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is expensive. It's expensive for many people. By your interest in the Heritage Foundation, I'm sure that you would find it hard to believe that there are people who are both unintentionally and intentionally poor, for whom $114 is a lot of money.

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    5. Re:Missed One Advantage by DogDude · · Score: 1

      I firmly believe that libraries moving towards E-Books is a bad thing. Libraries have limited resources, and if they start to move their resources towards "e-books", then they will slow or stop housing actual books. Books are universally accessible to anybody today, regardless of whether or not they own a particular electronic gadget. It would be a step backwards to make information available largely to those who have enough money to access it.

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    6. Re:Missed One Advantage by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I have no interest in the Heritage Foundation. That just seemed like the best link to the story that I found in a quick search.

    7. Re:Missed One Advantage by blarkon · · Score: 1

      The reason that Open Source documentation is generally rubbish is that it's almost impossible to make a buck writing it. No bucks = no sustained effort. It you're happy for the majority of all textbooks to be written at the level of Open Source documentation, then by all means get rid of copyright and make it highly problematic for people to make a profession out of the production of textbooks. Your enlightened libetarian fantasy society won't happen if all the books are poorly written amateur screeds.

    8. Re:Missed One Advantage by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Even if you're poor like a stick $114 is much cheaper than 2000 books made out of dead trees.

    9. Re:Missed One Advantage by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      I like your perspective. It is an important angle worth considering.

    10. Re:Missed One Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, that story says that only 38% of poor families have a personal computer. Leaving presumably 62% who don't have a computer, or the internet in their house. How are they supposed to use their Kindles??

    11. Re:Missed One Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are missing the point. The majority of Open Source documentation is generally rubbish. This is because there is so much of it. There are some truly awesome exceptions, which include some of the most useful, informative and inspiring documents that you could hope to find if you're studying software or computer science. These by themselves more than outweigh all the rubbish, as long as you can find them easily.

      If you disagree, what are the standout nonfree books that you think someone using Latex/Perl/apache/nmap/emacs/hacking the Linux kernel should use INSTEAD of the official, free, documentation?

    12. Re:Missed One Advantage by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 1

      Linking to the Heritage Foundation for an article on the plight of the poor is like linking to the Westboro Baptist Church Home Page for an article on LGBT rights.

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    13. Re:Missed One Advantage by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 1

      Not if you can walk to your local library and access 500,000 books for free.

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    14. Re:Missed One Advantage by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I can but I don't.

      Also since I never read I always end up late and they want to get paid.

      No such issue with electronic books. Either they expire and there's no problem or I could get rid of the DRM and keep them and there wouldn't be any problem and I could read whenever I wanted. Try to do that with the library books! Though just make both available always (much easier with electronic books and you've got an unlimited supply) and there wouldn't be any problem with expiration or DRM in the first place.

  17. Been Using A Similar System for a While by Liambp · · Score: 2

    My local library has been offering ebook lending for several years. They recommend Overdrive but the drm is just Adobe so you can use any ebook reader which supports adobe drm. You download the book in encrypted format and you get a time limited license which allows you to read it. After the 3 week lending period expires you cannot read the book anymore. There also seems to be a lockout in place so that only a one person can read a given ebook at a time. That sounds pretty silly but I guess it is a requirement of the publisher.

    Its a pretty good system and I like being able to browse from home but the selection is still fairly poor.

  18. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by morari · · Score: 1

    Yep. It works pretty well , too. The only real problem is that the libraries are stupidly limited to a certain quantity of each book. So if someone else has "checked out" the e-book you want, you can't have it. What was a real limitation of physical books being loaned, has become a gimped feature of electronic books. Of course, it's not B&N's fault... the publishers simply don't know what to do with e-books at all. That's why you see them priced higher than physical hardcovers a lot of the time.

    I'll take my Nook over the Kindle any day. ;)

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  19. On Overdrive Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To see if your library is included, click on your country/state/province at: http://search.overdrive.com/classic/

  20. Dear owner of any ebook reader other than kindle, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go fuck yourself. (This goes for you blind people, too)

    -- Amazon

  21. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    has become a gimped feature of electronic books

    But do you expect the publishers to let the library have an unlimited number of copies for one flat fee? (Flat fee, regardless of the # of copies read.)

    Or do you expect the library (and thus me, the taxpayer) to pay per e-book checkout? I don't expect that there are always N checkouts, regardless of what titles are available. If some new title becomes available, I suspect there are/would be a lot more checkouts of that particular title, compared to total checkouts in an average time period... That would make the library run out of money sooner.

  22. Preserving 'Almost Free' by Ragun · · Score: 1

    There is such an incredible degree of irony in all this. Libraries were created with the idea that information should be free, but due to the physical cost of the book, we could only check books out for a small time. Now ebooks can be created for free, and we are doing the best we can to make sure they don't get too free. Its time to deal with the practically unbounded copy-write law, and make our libraries just websites that let you download public domain books.

  23. just a way for Amazon to sell more Kindles by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Ok, and that is a problem how? That is part of their business model, selling the 'portal' to more sales.

    As long as they don't pull anything funny with the libraries its a good thing.

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  24. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by morari · · Score: 1

    I absolutely expect that libraries be granted an unlimited amount of time-sensitive loans for a reasonable fee. Sadly that [i]obvious[/i] and very doable solution is hampered by greed on the publisher's behalf. The publishers wouldn't loose any money. People don't go out and buy books because they're not available at the library at that exact moment. If anything, it would promote sales through both the library itself and people generally being more inclined to buy and use e-readers.

    There is no reason, at all, to put a theoretical limit on a public service such as this. It's just another example of middle-men and distributors kicking and screaming as they are made obsolete in the wake of an emerging digital alternative.

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  25. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    People don't go out and buy books because they're not available at the library at that exact moment.

    How do you know that?

    Again, "a reasonable fee" for unlimited amount means they get less money per book for more downloads.

  26. Re:That hasn't been already done ? by morari · · Score: 1

    I know because most people don't even bother to go to the library (or read for that matter) in the first place. :P

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