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Irish Man's Death Ruled Spontaneous Combustion

chrb writes "BBC News is reporting that an Irish coroner has ruled that a dead man was killed by spontaneous human combustion. The controversial finding is a first in Irish history. From the article: 'West Galway coroner Dr Ciaran McLoughlin said it was the first time in 25 years of investigating deaths that he had recorded such a verdict. Michael Faherty, 76, died at his home in Galway on 22 December 2010. Deaths attributed by some to "spontaneous combustion" occur when a living human body is burned without an apparent external source of ignition.'"

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  1. NVIDIA COVERUP!!! by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fermi claims another life and they pay off the coroner!

  2. What garbage non-science! by SendBot · · Score: 4, Informative

    I looked into this when I first read about it. Apparently a disproportionate amount of "spontaneous combustion" cases are older people found next to fire places, this man included. I was not able to find details that would rule out an existing fire in the fireplace contributing to the cause, like an absence of ashes. It's speculated that these cases are people who had a stroke or heart attack while warming themselves by the fire, after which a small spark flies out and eventually smolders the entire body.

    1. Re:What garbage non-science! by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No one is claiming that people randomly catch fire with no external stimulus.

      And neither is the BBC. - The coroner brought down the verdict of "spontaneous combustion" that appears in the headline and the BBC correctly defined what that means in the context of a coroner's inquest. They quote the coroner as saying - "This fire was thoroughly investigated and I'm left with the conclusion that this fits into the category of spontaneous human combustion, for which there is no adequate explanation."

      Indeed, the headline is misleading (shame on you BBC)

      There's nothing misleading about it, unless of course you're looking for an imaginary excuse to bash the BBC.

      Unfortunately this sort of thing is common at the BBC now. They have a nasty habit...

      Oh, my mistake, you were looking for an imaginary excuse to bash the BBC, carry on.

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  3. In completely unrelated news by mmmmbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first test of my DeathRay is a complete success! MUAHAHAHAHA!

  4. Obligatory Repo Man quote by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Funny

    It happens sometimes. People just explode.

    link.

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  5. Hm... by Zaldarr · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The court heard Mr Faherty had been found lying on his back with his head closest to an open fireplace." ... "He said Professor Bernard Knight, in his book on forensic pathology, had written about spontaneous combustion and noted that such reported cases were almost always near an open fireplace or chimney." ... ""There is a source of ignition somewhere, but because the body is so badly destroyed the source can't be found," he said." The obvious solution is that his hair caught on fire; perhaps with some sort of flammable substance in his hair like an aerosol or hair gel and the damage was too great for forensics to pick it up.

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  6. Re:Fire in the fireplace? by toQDuj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Except that humans are not particularly inflammable. Sure, the hair burns, and maybe a bit of the skin or clothing, but the huge quantities of water in the body make for a reasonable extinguisher. Perhaps, though, if you're loaded up with lethal levels of alcohol...

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  7. Cause and Effect by Intropy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your job is to figure out what caused something to happen, "I can't figure it out" is not success, but is at least a rational response. "It had no cause" is nonsense.

  8. Re:any proof of the cause of spontanious combustio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As mentioned above, it's often old people lying close to a fireplace.
    the second half is drunk fat people, who don't wake up when their clothes are burning. Their fat melts, and the rest of the clothes functions as a wick, replenishing the fire with more melting fat. Why they don't wake up, maybe they're already dead, but that's pretty hard to establish when there's almost no body.

  9. Mystery solved. by gstrickler · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's Irish, therefore, he must have been drinking, and he's 76, so was probably taking nitro glycerine for his heart. Mystery solved.

    Now, does that make me a forensic investigator?

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  10. Maybe a lemming? by Claudix · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lemmings explode after shaking their bodies.

    1. Re:Maybe a lemming? by NoobixCube · · Score: 3, Funny

      OH NO!

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  11. Re:Fire in the fireplace? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best explanation I've heard is the wick effect.

    The "wick effect" hypothesis suggests that a small external flame source, such as a burning cigarette, chars the clothing of the victim at a location, splitting the skin and releasing subcutaneous fat, which is in turn absorbed into the burned clothing, acting as a wick. This combustion can continue for as long as the fuel is available. This hypothesis has been successfully tested with animal tissue (pig) and is consistent with evidence recovered from cases of human combustion.[5][6] The human body typically has enough stored energy in fat and other chemical stores to fully combust the body; even lean people have several pounds of fat in their tissues.

    The presumption is that the person dies of other causes, and then a lit cigarette or some other ignition source starts the process. And you're right, from what I've heard, a high percentage of SHC victims were known to be heavy drinkers, which would only add more fuel to the fire.

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  12. Re:Fire in the fireplace? by squizzar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Spontaneous refers to the lack of any obvious ignition source (except the cigarettes they smoked, or the fire they 'fell asleep' next to - but I digress). If an empty desk in my office were to start smoldering and eventually flames appeared that would be spontaneous combustion as much as if the whole thing suddenly burst into flame.

  13. Re:Think about all that burning water... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    1kg of lard contains 37700kJ and can therefore vaporize almost 16,9kg of water. 5kg of lard can vaporize 84kg of water.

    Those 5kg just about cover the essential body fat, i.e the fat we need in/around our brain, skin, joints, etc.

  14. Re:Fire in the fireplace? by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Spontaneous does not mean instantly or quickly, it means something happening with no apparent cause or external cause, or someone doing something involuntarily. The action doesn't have to be over quickly.

  15. Re:Fire in the fireplace? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    if you're loaded up with lethal levels of alcohol...

    That would never happen in Ireland.