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Senator Goes After 'Brazen' OnStar Privacy Shift

coondoggie writes "U.S. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) sent a letter to the Federal Trade Commission to get the agency to investigate recent changes navigation and emergency services company OnStar made to its privacy practices. Schumer said, 'By tracking drivers even after they’ve cancelled their service, OnStar is attempting one of the most brazen invasions of privacy in recent memory. I urge OnStar to abandon this policy and for FTC to immediately launch a full investigation to determine whether the company’s actions constitute an unfair trade practice.'"

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  1. Re:What car does the senator drive? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't worry, some kind soul representing GM/OnStar will explain it all to him. He'll take a nice long vacation in the Bahamas with his secretary and never press the issue again.

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  2. Sure he did... by PrimeNumber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because two North American governments are major share holders of this company, I am sure that tracking operations will immediately cease, because we all know governments hate doing shit like that.

  3. Re:What car does the senator drive? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He'll take a nice long vacation in the Bahamas with his secretary and never press the issue again.

    You accuse someone you most likely know little about of committing future crimes and cheating on his wife of 30 years with no evidence whatsoever. If you would not want the government to do the same to you, maybe you could find it in your character to walk back those accusations.

  4. Re:What car does the senator drive? by artor3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Schumer is one of the few good senators who regularly goes after corporations when they abuse us lower lifeforms. Not that I think he's necessarily more moral than his colleagues, he's just in a position where it's easy for him to act on that sense of morality. When you routinely win your elections by 30+ point margins, you don't need to worry so much about pissing off potential corporate donors.

  5. Re:More brazen than the government? by grahamd0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

    First sentence: "OnStar Corporation is a subsidiary of General Motors Which is owned 27% by the U.S. government and 12% by the Canadian government."

    You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

    Indeed.

  6. Re:What car does the senator drive? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you would not want the government to do the same to you, maybe you could find it in your character to walk back those accusations.

    Yeah, because if the time ever comes when members of the government might want to publicly smear a private citizen they will certain back off once they check his record and see that he's always been extremely respectful of those elected to office.

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  7. Senator Charles Schumer is correct by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you cancel a service, they have zero rights to any information about you.

    On-star has no more rights to the location of ex-customers than Texaco does.

    Citizens should not be required to rip out the electronics to prevent a previous business partner from illegally spying on them.

    In fact a good case can be made to legally require all corporations you cease doing business with to destroy all OLD records about you, with exceptions for records of transactions you engaged in. (see my blog entree from June for more information

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  8. Re:What car does the senator drive? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a scientist, I try not to make judgements except as indicated by evidence.

    However, human beings have evolved to notice patterns and make inferences.

    It doesn't matter whether a pattern holds true in all cases, it only matters whether it's more *likely* to be true as it influences my next decision.

    Thus it may not be true that all crows are black, but this is not the important point. What matters is whether the *next* crow I see will be black, given all the crows that I have seen so far. I'll take that bet, because the likelihood is there.

    I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine whether an average politician being motivated by their own interests is the better bet.

    (Hint: set it up as a game-theoretic problem, given that almost all elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money [which is empirically true]. Alternately, look at the voting history of the politician in question and see if you can determine the % which were in the public interest.)

  9. Re:Mixed feelings by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...Even knowing they are, I'm not sure I really care. I guess on a theoretical level it's annoying, But I have too many other things to worry about to get worked up over this....

    Congratulations...you're apathy is deep enough to drown in. Not only that, but this is precisely why these companies a) do this, and b) get away with this.

  10. Re:What car does the senator drive? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You missed my point. I restated the golden rule: treat others as you would have them treat you. It's not about getting something out of it (preferential treatment by the government), it's about doing the right thing.

    When the senator voluntarily joined a group with a long and storied history of abusing the golden rule not only did he invalidate any claim to it, he practically asked to end up on the wrong end of it.

    In particular, his past issues regarding personal privacy of political opponents suggests the criticism is not baseless. You may not like the hyperbole used to express that skepticism, but that's your problem. A pol who would take that personally would be to thin skinned to ever get elected in the first place.

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  11. Re:Good for the economy by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I understood perfectly, but thank you for explaining for those that may not see.

    Consider this: the reason to want privacy may consist of illegal activities, but wanting privacy is not illegal in the slightest, and should never -ever- be construed as such.