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Rite Aid Drug Stores Offer Virtual Doc Visits

Lucas123 writes "Rite Aid today announced it is offering virtual face-to-face physician consultations through an in-store kiosk. The virtual consultation services are currently being tested in the Detroit area, but the company expects they will do well and the virtual consults will expand to other regions. The service costs $45 for a 10-minute physician consultation. Consultations with nurses are free."

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  1. healthcare's a rip-off by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is healthcare such a rip-off? In nationalised healthcare systems, the doctors get paid insanely high; in private healthcare systems, the doctors get paid insanely high.

    We can see from countries like Cuba that doctors aren't the result of educating a rare genius. But for some reason in the Western world we feel the need to artificially constrain their supply, take them through a hazing ritual to make them cynical about their patients, then treat them like gods.

    Let's return medicine to what it started as in Greece: a calling to care for the sick. Let it be a thoroughly secure vocation for permanent healthcare workers, where there is an understanding of difficulties on both sides - not one solved by high price doctors, lawyers, insurance, third party agencies and miscellaneous bureaucracy (public or private).

    1. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by sjames · · Score: 2

      Those points are constants in medical practice, but it's not so crazy expensive in other countries. I don't mean it is crazy expensive but it comes out of your taxes, I mean all expenditures taken together are lower in practically every other country in the world including those whose healthcare ranks better than the U.S.

    2. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      I'm in the UK and I'd like to point out that the National Health Service is fucking awesome, there's nothing like being able to walk into any A+E and get treated without having to worry about proving who you are or what bills there are going to be because there are any. Doctor visits, check-ups, tests etc are all 100% free.

      Why anyone would want to have the stress of worrying about health care costs is something I don't understand. Only the super-rich could have reason for wanting private health-care.

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    3. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by sub67 · · Score: 2

      Only the super-rich could have reason for wanting private health-care.

      We all like to pretend we're super-rich here in the US.

    4. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doctors pay is only the small part of the cost. Don't blame the Professional doing the work.

      Where does your money go...
      1. Malpractice insurance - Because the Doctor makes a mistake people feel they should sue them for a ton of money, although he is just trying to help.
      2. Unpaid Health Care - Health care has a high rate of treatment to people who cannot afford to be treated. So that is factored into the cost
      3. Insurances and Medicare/Medicaid - Their goal is to find a way not to pay the doctor unless they go threw a bunch of loops requiring more staff or cutting into his business time. Heck just dealing with the IT Staff alone you run into the biggest IT Idiots in the world. Here is how a typical integration project works....
      ME: My claim has been rejected why is that.
      INSURANCE COMPANY (IC): We changed our format around.
      ME: When was I notified about this
      IC: We posted the notification change on our webpage in www.insurancecomapyname.com/edi/specifications/hipaa/99dnnvnakkk222/837/changes.html
      ME: I am looking at the page right now I don't see a path to get there.
      IC: You should have this link bookmarked.
      ME: When did you tell people about this page.
      IC: We had the link up for one day on December 25th 2 years ago.
      ME: Can I have YOUR 837 specifications....
      IC: We follow the 837 standard you should know it.
      ME: I want a copy of your version of the specifications.
      IC: It is just like what we require on the paper form.
      ME: Please can I have the specs to be sure I am doing it your way.
      IC: OK... (Gives you a generic 837 standard spec)
      ME: (Follows the specs as giving, runs the test and gets rejections back, a week later) What is wrong why isn't this working.
      IC: Well we don't follow those areas of the specs. We put those values in this filed
      ME: (Follows the specs as giving, runs the test and gets rejections back, a week later) What is wrong why isn't this working.
      IC: Well we don't follow those areas of the specs. We put those values in this filed ... (this will be about 25 iterations sometimes in those iterations we again beg for the full specs to follow for them)
      ME: Ok it seems to process why is it rejecting.
      IC: Well the claim is too old so we wont pay it.
      4. Staff, front desk, practice managers, billers, nurses....
      5. Building upkeep
      6. Medical Equipment ...
      The doctor while getting paid well isn't really everything you are paying for.

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    5. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by PSandusky · · Score: 2

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      Health care is cheap; health care regulation is expensive crony capitalism.

      Um... no. At least, not necessarily.

      I worked for a blood bank for several years, and because blood banks by definition supply both pharmacologics (plasma fractions, IIRC) and biologics (practically everything else), they are subject to FDA regulation as defined in the CFR for those types of agents. My particular blood bank was under a consent decree with FDA for failing to follow those regulations in whole and/or in part, and that failure to follow can have real consequences for the patient -- accidental infections with things like CMV become a whole lot easier when your controls over CMV status labeling are lax, for example. In that case, an otherwise healthy adult might just get flu symptoms. In someone who is ill (or someone who is not yet an adult, or even an adolescent), which a recipient would generally be, the consequences can be significantly more dire.

      Why does that matter?

      It's truly amazing just how many corners blood banks like mine were willing to cut in the name of building product numbers, because ultimately, they're really just manufacturers pushing a product for maximum profit -- sure, any time we'd send letters to anyone we'd play up the non-profit jag and ask them to use their own stamps on the SAE we'd send them for their reply, but all management really ever cared about was pumping up profits. If the regulations weren't in place to cover things like labeling, it's a fair bet the manufacturers wouldn't bother to enact those policies on their own. If they're not held to a given standard, they won't expend the money to maintain that standard. Labelers, training, equipment, testing supplies, testing contracts, and other related recurring expenses are exactly the type of expenses management doesn't want to incur. Patient health really only matters if it could bring legal ramifications, and if there's no law being violated or regulatory standard in place, it's actually fairly easy for the manufacturers to get off scot-free -- even in a civil trial. Regulatory infractions come up in civil trials all the time.

      Blood banks in particular demonstrated this fairly clearly in the early 1980's, when HIV started to show up on the scene. HIV itself wasn't immediately apparent, but a tremendous uptick in Hepatitis B cases was -- and at the time, the technology did indeed exist to test for that virus. Blood banks advised that testing for Hepatitis B was not acceptable... because of cost. Bayesian false positives didn't come into it. Faults with the general theory of testing didn't come into it. Fears of HIV infection didn't come into it (at least, at the testing phase). The reason blood banks didn't want to test for HepB was the cost to institute a testing program, and it was FDA's mandate that ultimately got them to start testing and getting the bad blood out of the supply. (It was also FDA's regulation that pegged Abbott Laboratories, I think, with bad HepB testing supplies... here again, without regulation, nothing would've been done, because nothing would've been illegal.)

      The expense of regulation isn't a 100% honest deal, because there are always going to be corrupt regulators. At the same time, I would much rather have legitimate regulators working from a pool that includes a few corrupt ones, and dealing with that, than to have the corporate health care industries strictly regulate themselves, because as has been proven numerous times (blood banks, contaminated food cases, contaminated drug cases, improperly tested drug cases, I could go on...), they will do no such thing with that inherent conflict of interest.

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    6. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2

      A lot of my friends and family are staunchly conservative (their words, not mine). They walk along the Republican party lines and watch a lot of Fox News, and all that kind of crap. When the discussion about healthcare comes up, I will ask questions about how they would address certain fringe cases, how they would cover certain social costs of not having socialized medicine, etc. etc. I ask these questions sincerely and earnestly because I want to hear what the self-proclaimed conservative philosophy is on this subject.

      After dozens of conversations with otherwise decent folk, the discussion always comes down to this: my friends and family would typically prefer to watch another human being die, and still have an extra $200 in their pockets at the end of the year, than to simply reach out and help the folks who need it.

      And that is the mindset, so far as I can tell, of the modern American conservative: "My money is more important and valuable to me than another man's life."

      Some folks don't seem to see anything morally bankrupt about this stance. At the end of the day, it is just a game of, "me first, my shit's more important, always." But it really is a heart-breaking eye-opener when you notice that the folks you have respected and loved all your life would rather be rich and on top than be charitable and do with a little less.

      So stands modern America, as far as I can tell.

    7. Re:healthcare's a rip-off by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      The irony is that our health care system treats more and costs half as much. The European treaties that have been signed by UK traitor politicians unfortunately demand that everything possible be privatised :-(

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  2. US health care system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Has the US health care system really come to this?

    Please enlighten me, do Americans consider $45 for a 10 minute virtual doctor visit an attractive price?

    In Australia seeing a real physician (GP) in the flesh within a few hours for any reasonable length of time typically costs between $35-$60, of which the public health system pays $35. So net cost to me is $FREE-$25.

    I recently dropped a weight on my foot which fractured my toes, I went to my local bulk billing GP without an appointment, was seen within 30 minutes, was referred to get an X-ray across the road without an appointment (wait time - 10 minutes, X-ray time, 10 minutes, result with professional summary time - 40 minutes), then returned to the original GP, wait time - 5 minutes.

    Total net cost to me for all of the above - $0 (no private health insurance involved here).

    1. Re:US health care system by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      I went to my local bulk billing GP without an appointment, was seen within 30 minutes, was referred to get an X-ray across the road without an appointment (wait time - 10 minutes, X-ray time, 10 minutes, result with professional summary time - 40 minutes), then returned to the original GP, wait time - 5 minutes.

      In the U.S., you're going to spend more time than that dealing with the paperwork. And god help you if you don't have insurance. That means an emergency room visit. And one of those is going to basically bankrupt you (that's not an exaggeration, an ER visit for even a simple thing here can end up costing well into the ten-of-thousands of dollars). About your only hope in the U.S. if you're uninsured is getting on Medicare or Medicaid. And if you're under 65 or employed at all, good luck with *that*.

      It must be so nice to live in Canada or the UK and not have to worry about that stuff. One medical emergency in the U.S. can bankrupt an entire family. There was a 17-year-old kid nearby here who got shot by a mugger recently. His family didn't have insurance and now they owe over $100,000 in medical bills. They caught the mugger, but of course he's some piece-of-shit crackhead with no money. So now this kid and his family are basically fucked. After a public outcry, they held a fundraiser for him which raised a whopping $8,000. So much for private charity.

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  3. Re:Cash before health by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hey no problem. Communication is what it's all about. I'm glad you had a positive experience.

    My point of view is that of a physician, because I am one myself. It's absolutely true that any pre-schooler can follow an algorithm and "cure" disease with a high degree of success. After all that is why, in your country, you let nurses and "physician assistants" screen patients and do the grunt-work. Medicine is not hard. However I will argue that in the US medicine has become all about the technology and the tests, and not at all about the patient. I don't practice in the US, but one hears stories of regular CT scans for migraines, abdominal ultrasounds for appendicitis, etc. Mixed in with these stories is a healthy dose of "defensive medicine" (I will do these tests exclusively to lessen my likelyhood of being sued for negligence because there is a faint possibility of a misdiagnosis).

    At the end of the day when you add it all up, you end up with a very expensive health system. Yeah ok you paid $20 for the consultation. Now how much did the X-ray cost? How much did the spirometry (blowing in the tube) cost? Even if you didn't pay up front, someone somewhere paid for the equipment, the film, and the little disposable cardboard toilet-paper roll thing you blow in (you would not believe how much those cost!). Now compare that with visiting someone like me, who probably would have prescribed you the same antibiotic and the same cough syrup after a couple minutes of listening to your lungs through your back, and tapping you on the ribs with my finger. No x-ray. No spirometry. Which is more efficient?

    A doctor is not supposed to order tests just to order tests. They only do that on medical shows. Well no, they are doing that regularly in the US. But you are supposed to know the results of the test before you get it. The test exists to prove your hypothesis (the diagnostic impression), not to "brute-force" a diagnosis. Now admittedly there are cases where a diagnosis is not clear - older patients with several chronic diseases, unconscious patients, pediatric patients, patients with very slight symptoms. These are harder to diagnose and more testing might be required. But in the example you gave me - a patient with a severe cough - the possibilities are very limited. Yes there are many many possibilities - pulmonary fibrosis, sarcoidosis, lung cancer, TB, asthma, etc etc etc. However you consider the age of the patient, how long you've had the symptoms, how severe the symptoms are, obstructive versus restrictive problem (through a physical exam, no spirometry required), and it's a pretty safe bet we're up against pneumonitis (viral most likely) or pneumonia (bacterial). Despite everything the CDC and infectologists say about overprescription of antibiotics, I would probably send you home with antibiotics (viral infections do sometimes turn into bacterial ones due to all that inflammation) and a note to come back in a few days if you are not recovered. If you don't recover, THEN we start looking at x-rays, etc.

    What they are doing is all the testing up front. That's great when you want to sell tests. It's great when you have patients who are more trusting of a machine than the human doctor sitting in front of them. But it's not really good "medicine". My $0.02.

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