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Oracle May 'Fork Itself' With MySQL Moves

New submitter packetrat writes "Ars Technica analyzes the recent commercial additions by Oracle to MySQL Enterprise and the additional unrest it's added to the community. Oracle may be throwing itself out of the community as it pushes more customers to look at fully open-source alternatives."

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  1. Nonsense. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's OurSQL now, freetards.

    1. Re:Nonsense. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Is anybody even slightly surprised. Oracle is a company which prides itself on gouging enterprise customers for huge amounts of money. The CEO owns one of the worlds largest yachts, etc., etc.

      Me? This doesn't even warrant an eyebrow raise.

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  2. Same old thing... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    ...that happens with everything Oracle touches. MySQL users will switch to MariaDB just as OO.org users switched to LibreOffice.

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    1. Re:Same old thing... by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 2

      I wonder how long it'll be before they start screwing with VirtualBox...

    2. Re:Same old thing... by Just+Brew+It! · · Score: 2

      USB in guests still works fine for me (well maybe "fine" is too strong of a word... let's just say it didn't seem to get any worse when they switched to the plugin architecture). I run a Ubuntu 10.04 host with Windows and Linux guests of various flavors, so YMMV if your setup is different.

      The minor weirdness I've noticed is that the Open Source binaries which are available on their site (without the plugin) have no remote console capability, even though the OSE version available on most Linux distros has a built-in VNC console server. So they effectively still have two separate versions...

  3. Surely only an issue for Windows... by Ynot_82 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and any other OS without package management

    Most Linux distros will simply just point the mysql packages to mariadb (or whatever fork), and end-users will not have to do (or know) anything

    Upgrade, continue as usual, and wonder why the windows people are jumping up & down...

    1. Re:Surely only an issue for Windows... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just out of curiosity, I did upgrade to MariaDB about a week ago, and I was pleasantly surprised how easy the transition went.

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    2. Re:Surely only an issue for Windows... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nice to see someone try to push the "Windows" angle...

      In all truth, this doesn't affect anyone at all - MySQL is GPLed so, according to RMS, it should already be protected from Big Bad Oracle... Is Oracle really required to move MySQL forward? If not, then why the complaints - and if so, then does the fact that it is GPLed really mean anything at all?

      In reality, Oracle has been bound by its merger with Sun to actually offer more assurances than Sun was ever required to offer - 4 years of support. What did Sun offer? Nothing.

      Technically, MySQL should be in a better position after the Oracle merger...

    3. Re:Surely only an issue for Windows... by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Most Linux distros will simply just point the mysql packages to mariadb (or whatever fork), and end-users will not have to do (or know) anything

      I don't see this happening. MySQL is still open source and available, even if the extensions are not, so it will continue to be distributed by open source distributions. The name is also trademarked, so pointing to mariadb or otherwise when the user goes to install MySQL is a trademark violation.

    4. Re:Surely only an issue for Windows... by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      That doesn't change anything what so ever.

      If they drop GPL tomorrow, you don't lose anything. You still have the source from today. You just won't have the source from tomorrow or days in the future.

      You aren't going to lose anything if they change license schemes, you simply won't continue to get a free ride FROM ORACLE, you'll have to get it elsewhere.

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  4. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of functionality do you want that PostgreSQL can't provide?

  5. I dont get the discussion by drolli · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oracle offers some added value if you need it. If you are stuck on mysql for some reason and you project outgrew what the free verions handles, it may be reasonable to pay some money for well defined support of new features.

    If you don't need it (and that applies to me and most people here), then just happily use the free version. If you are not convinced the support for the new features is worth the money, then don't buy it.

    So, yes, oracle may have forked it. They are neither the first company to do something like this (see ghostscript) nor will they be the last. History shows that usually the commercial "value-added" distribution may be marginal in the installed base, but if the company plays the cards right its customers and the company can profit from the commercial version.

    1. Re:I dont get the discussion by drolli · · Score: 2

      This statement is plainly wrong. The patent grant for jvm implementors was never about open source, but always about implementing the platform as specified.

    2. Re:I dont get the discussion by Raenex · · Score: 2

      The problem is that Google didn't implement a conforming JVM, so there was no grant to use the patents. They could have gotten around this by forking the GPL version of Java, but they didn't want to.

  6. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Job security: corrupted MyISAM/InnoDB, senseless tuning, corrupted replication all ensure lasting employment.

  7. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by dintech · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, Oracle. Another example of where you're not listening to the community. We told you to go "fuck" yourself.

  8. Re:Finally by Raenex · · Score: 2

    He's NOT using an alternative name for open source.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core

    "Open core (a.k.a. proprietary relicensing[1]) is a business model where an open source product is also made available commercially with non-open-source additions. The name "open core" came into use in early 2010 but the business model had already existed for many years."

    "open core" is mentioned in the article. To be honest, it's the first I've heard of it too, but it's a pretty good name for this model.

  9. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by fuzzytv · · Score: 2

    Insightful? I have no clue what features is he talking about (and I guess I'm not alone), but there are solutions far better than MySQL. If you check what was commercialized, you can see it's damn damn basic functionality (e.g. the ability to use PAM authentication, or the features of MySQL Enterprise Backup). But the infinitely more important question for all MySQL users should be "What will be commercialized in the future?"

    And that's not FUD, that's a question everyone should ask before using any product (not just MySQL).

  10. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2

    Post - gress - skwull. Ain't that hard :P . At least they didn't name it after some obscure dodecasyllabic Aztec god.

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  11. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    In most database systems the join order matters, especially if you use ansi style syntax. This is a known way to improve query performance. Order the joins to so that you limit as much as possible the number of rows returned early on; and as simply as possible using highly selective queries where the columns involved in the join has either unique or a high percentage of unique values (>90%). Then place the more complex/less selective joins (i.e. on columns with less unique values) or any necessary subqueries following. I'm surprise you never noticed this in MySQL, or perhaps you were using non-ansi style queries.

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  12. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by JordanL · · Score: 2

    Why do tech-minded people always seem to need to create obtuse and obviously false exaggerations for the purpose of conveying their point? Use your words and say what you mean.

    Posts like this don't make you look clever, they make you look like a caricature.

    There are plenty of ways to administer the free version of MySQL to get very good performance and options. Just because you have not been able to do that does not mean it cannot be done.

    I think the point that was being made, however, was that if you want to put in that much effort, why wouldn't you use a database like Postgres that actually was built for you to do that?

  13. Re:Pushing to look at alternatives, really? by qpqp · · Score: 2

    At least they didn't name it after some obscure dodecasyllabic Aztec god.

    There's no such concept. According to Wikipedia the longest name is: "Itztlacoliuhqui-Ixquimilli - god of stone, obsidian, coldness hardness, and castigation. Aspect of Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli"

    Refs:
    http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/aztec-mythology.php?_gods-list
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_mythology