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Sesame Street Begins Teaching Math and Science

An anonymous reader sends in this excerpt from ABC News: "This season of 'Sesame Street,' which premiered today, has added a few new things to its usual mix of song, dance and educational lessons. In its 42nd season, the preschool educational series is tackling math, science, technology, and engineering — all problem areas for America's students — in hopes of helping kids measure up. ... This season, 'Sesame Street' will include age-appropriate experimentation — even the orange monster Murray will conduct science experiments in a recurring feature."

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  1. Right on! by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This alone will probably do more to improve education than the entire No Child Left Behind Act. Provided, of course, that it actually teaches the purpose of experimentation and science, teaches kids to ask "why?" and devise experiments to test ideas. All too often, "kid science" is "do this, then this, and now look at the pretty (green goo|flames|shiny), followed by a lecture on what went on. I'm hopeful that this will be one of the ones to get it right.

    1. Re:Right on! by migla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have no kind of inkling about the first sentence of the previous poster, but the part about 'teaches kids to ask "why?"' I'd like to amend: Hope it teaches them to want to ask "why?".

      (Or maybe that would obviously be implied?)

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    2. Re:Right on! by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shut up. Not now. I'm busy.

      These are words that should never be uttered by a parent to a child. Why? Because it promptly snuffs the flame of curiosity. Most parents don't even realise they're doing it. They're just too absorbed in whatever they're doing to notice what they've just said to their curious 3 year old.

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    3. Re:Right on! by gman003 · · Score: 2

      I think that's implied. The goal of any real teaching (at least for children) isn't just "teach them how to ____", but "teach them to want to ___".

      English isn't just "teach kids to read and write", it's "teach them to love reading great books and want to write their own". Programming isn't just "teach them how to make a computer do something", it's "teach them to enjoy making a machine do whatever they want". Music isn't just "teach them to play music", it's "teach them to enjoy playing and writing their own music".

      It's difficult to pull off, but Sesame Street has a good track record on the subject.

    4. Re:Right on! by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably because NCLB was an unfunded mandate which had bench marks set via standardized testing of a rather elaborate nature. Also due to the stakes it tends to crowd out significant portions of the year when teachers are theoretically supposed to be teaching.

    5. Re:Right on! by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No problem. It's all in the wording, and that the childs question is a good thing, rather than a bad thing. I would respond: Hey, that's a very good question, and as soon as I'm done with this, let's explore it together. This still keeps their enthusiasm kindled, and in fact may inspire them to go off on their own and find out.

      Have you ever had a girlfriend/boyfriend (don't know who you are or what you're into, so no offence here) that was just a wet blanket?
      A: No! I don't want to go swimming, I'm busy! Or;
      Hey, that sounds like fun, but let's do it tomorrow because I have something urgent to do right now.

      It's all about keeping the enthusiasm, and certainly NOT bending to the childs whims and fancies. Remember, you have the lead as a parent, not the child, unless it is an appropriate situation to teach the child how to lead. Most importantly, you need to get the child used to delayed gratification rather than instant gratification, or they will become exactly the impulsive, narcissistic, borderline sociopath you are talking about, that will be sorely disappointed when they collide with society at large.

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    6. Re:Right on! by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They only get #1 spots when they talk about the 10,000 year old space aliens that built the pyramids or the coming apocalypse(s)... Which may explain the bulk of their modern programming...

      Sarcasm aside... I've found the BBC far more interesting and informative lately.

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  2. This will lead to nothing but confusion by Master+Moose · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about when they get to E=MC2

    Because last time i checked, C is for cookie, thats good enough for me

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    1. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cookie not square. Cookie round.

    2. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Eat=Me*Cookie^2

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    3. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because last time i checked, C is for cookie, thats good enough for me

      You, like me are too old.

      Cookie Monster has been castrated. Cookies are a "sometimes food", and he mostly eats vegetables now.

      And Elmo is the antithesis of all that was ever good about the show.

    4. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by spitzak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cookie Monster has been castrated. Cookies are a "sometimes food", and he mostly eats vegetables now.

      This is a right-wing lie/urban legend:

      http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Is_Cookie_Monster_now_the_Veggie_Monster%3F

      It was Hoots the Owl who sang "A Cookie Is a Sometimes Food" to Cookie Monster. At the end of the song, Cookie Monster declared, "NOW is sometimes!" and gobbled the cookie anyway.

    5. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      The best use for a cookie sheet is to fill it with cookie before cooking them and then you just cut them into squares. It gives you maximum cookie.

      If kids aren't learning this, Sesame Street should be teaching them.

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    6. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 2

      In fact, Cookie Monster already refuted the claims that he's giving up cookies in this exclusive interview from 2006

    7. Re:This will lead to nothing but confusion by lennier · · Score: 2

      militant vegans

      Hut hut hut!
      By the right... quick plant!

      We like spuds and celery
      Brussel sprouts and broccoli
      Tofu bake and lentil stew
      Keep your animals in the zoo!

      Soy! What is it good for? Absolutely everything!
      Present... carrots!

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  3. Re:"Teach the controversy!" by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, I'm pretty far right wing in general, but I'm not a religious fundamentalist. There's often a difference between the two. I also have no problem with Sesame Street teaching math and science along with reading and colors and everything else they do. As far as tv, Sesame Street is one of the few shows that I would not have a problem with my kids watching every day, if I had kids.

    It's a shame you don't have a political party that represents you. *shrug*

  4. Sounds great to me by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Sesame Street helps reduce the frequency of math-phobes in our young population, I will be eternally thankful. Too many people have escaped learning math due to being afraid of it; if they are introduced to it at a young age they might not develop an irrational fear of it.

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    1. Re:Sounds great to me by hey! · · Score: 2

      I'd make my kids watch it, but they like math and they're afraid of monsters.

      *sigh* It's not easy being green.

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    2. Re:Sounds great to me by cosm · · Score: 2

      if they are introduced to it at a young age they might not develop an irrational fear of it.

      You should get rid of your irrational fear of math and ***puts on shades*** replace it with integer quotients. Yeeeaaaahhhhhh

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  5. Re:Combustion by Phizital1ty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    St. Elmos Fire?

  6. Bill Nye is an evil doppleganger by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only true TV scientist is Beakman. Bill Nye is a Beakman wannabe, 100000x less interesting. But Bill had the backing and so Beakman was lost to us all.

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  7. Sing it, Elmo! by mianne · · Score: 2

    Johnny was a scientist,
    but Johnny is no more.
    For what Johnny thought was H20,
    was H2SO4.

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  8. Re:Today's episode... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see the Count now: "The number of the day is 3, Point, 1, 4, 1, 5, *ha ha ha*, 9, 2, 6, 5, 3, *ha ha ha*, 5....."

    Much, much later in the episode....

    Count (very tired): "... 2... 8... 1.... 3... ah, I quit!" (collapses from exhaustion)

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  9. Re:Maybe it can help me by artor3 · · Score: 2

    You can't read Shakespeare before learning what sound an 'A' makes, and you can't learn math without first memorizing what '+' means. Your problem is from poor instruction when you were in middle school, or maybe late elementary. At Sesame Street age, kids need to learn the language so that they can be instructed in it later. Some concepts are nice, just so they can see what the symbols are used for and know they're important, but in early elementary memorization of basic facts really is important.

  10. Re:Alarming amount of propaganda by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an alarming amount of pro-liberal, pro-government and pro-business propaganda on Sesame Street in addition to the lessons of childhood. I wouldn't trust it any more than late Soviet propaganda.

    No there isn't. I'm fairly well attuned to these things and watch Sesame Street with my kids.

    Prove me wrong with five examples.

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  11. Some(?) are on YouTube already. by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check the latest uploads in https://www.youtube.com/user/SesameStreet ... They even have two major The Big Bang Theory actors in it!

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  12. Re:Maybe it can help me by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

    I still don't understand math. I can manipulate the symbols but I don't understand what the symbols represent. I believe that as a student in any discipline, understanding the things that the symbols represent is far more essential than being able to decode the symbols without comprehension.

    There is a school of mathematics Formalism that holds that mathematical is more about symbolic manipulation than about what the symbols represent.

  13. It's very educational by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    It taught me to stay as far away from the sort of people that associate with reality television as possible.

  14. Re:Maybe it can help me by jasomill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I still don't understand math. I can manipulate the symbols but I don't understand what the symbols represent.

    Spoken like a true algebraist! "The symbols" represent anything you want them to, subject only to whatever "ground rules" the desired algebraic manipulations require.

    I believe that as a student in any discipline, understanding the things that the symbols represent is far more essential than being able to decode the symbols without comprehension.

    I'd go further and question what it means in the first place to "learn" something without understanding it. In this sense, what one needs to "understand" is that the value of algebra is precisely that the symbols are "meaningless." This extends directly to C.S., and, for that matter, bookkeeping — using one set of symbols and procedures to enumerate, say, sheep, and another for, I don't know, ice cream cones, would be a major PITA.

    Sure I have basic concepts down such as whole numbers, but more complex functions are completely lost on me.

    If you take a nonzero complex number to be a positive "scale factor" and an angle (i.e., taking "polar coordinates"), you can think of them as geometric transformations, namely, rotation and uniform scaling about some fixed point in the plane. Then "complex multiplication" is simply "composition of transformations," which, as you can easily see from the geometry, happens to be commutative. Incidentally, quaternions are heavily used in computer graphics for similar reasons in three dimensions.

    And addition of complex numbers is just "vector addition" in the plane, a.k.a. "adding arrows," a.k.a., adding pairs of numbers "componentwise." But you can do that in exactly the same way for triples, quadruples, quintuples, . . ., n-tuples of numbers; what's special about complex numbers is that they also have multiplication that follows the exact same rules as "ordinary" multiplication. And again, what they "represent" is entirely up to you — they're often used in physics and engineering to represent a great variety of phenomena. What do these phenomena have in common? The simple and seemingly bone-headed, but nevertheless true answer really does seem to be, "similar equations." This is no different, conceptually, than what counting sheep and counting ice cream cones have in common, namely, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, . . . whatever these "mean."

    I would be ever grateful to a math educator who could teach understandable concepts first, followed distantly by symbolic notation. Now that you understand what I'm taking about, I'll give this concept a name: "numbers vs numerals"

    Highly recommended reading.

    While I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments, I tend to feel the problem is less one of "notation" per se and a more fundamental one of poor communication — funny symbols are just shorthand for (lots and lots of typically tedious and quite repetitive) words, after all. The main purpose of mathematical speech, including, without limitation, the sort used in the classroom, is communication. While this is no different than any other subject, I'm amazed at the number of students and teachers, "good" and "bad" alike, who seem to think it is.

    In an unrelated nod to the article, how is this "news"? I'm 33 years old, and the Count has been around for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 years longer than me! (cue laughter and lightning)

  15. Re:Alarming amount of propaganda by artor3 · · Score: 2

    If this is satire, it's brilliant. If this is serious, you're a scared, pitiful little creature. Teaching kids to share toys as left-wing propaganda... it's the perfect example of Poe's Law.

  16. Re:Evolution Too?? by jbeaupre · · Score: 2

    Muppets are Jim Henson Creation(ist)s.

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