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Anti-Piracy PI Talks About Building Cases Against File-Sharers

An anonymous reader writes "Torrent Freak has an interesting interview with a former private investigator who was hired to track people who pirated software and movies. He relates some of the tactics used to make evidence more appealing to police, the media and lawmakers. He said, 'We discussed the formula for extrapolating the potential street value earnings of "laboratories" and we were instructed to count all blank discs in our seizure figures as if they were potential product. Mr. Gane also explained that the increased loss approximation figures were derived from all forms of impacts on decreasing cinema patronage right through to the farmer who grows the corn for popping.' Regarding the head of AFACT, the article notes, 'Gane understood that the media was an essential tool towards AFACT's goal of getting tougher copyright legislation in place. And for this purpose, it was a good idea to bend the truth a bit.'"

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  1. Re:lies and exaggeration by Tomato42 · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately yes.

  2. Re:lies and exaggeration by yacc143 · · Score: 2

    Well, not exactly, the truth is always written by the winner, and the truth that looser had, well, is forgotten.

    "The Truth" is always something linked to the point of view. (E.g. there are enough situations where obviously all parties or none of them are responsible for something, still the parties claim it's the fault of the others. In a subjective view, their truth is certainly correct, and in an objective view you cannot easily cast the situation either as a simple 2-state boolean affair)

  3. Creative accounting by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Years ago, I decided to get rid of my car and go by bicycle for personal transportation. For fun, I tried to evaluate the impact of my choice on the economy as a whole, taking into account, amongst other things:

    - On the pro side: lesser oil consumption on my part, lesser burden on the national insurance system because I'm healthier, supporting the bicycle industry by purchasing bike parts, etc...

    - On the con side: hurting automobile sales, which in turn contributes to layoffs, unemployment, hurting indirect jobs, etc...

    I found that I had to make wild assumptions to come up with figures, and the further I went from the immediate impact of my decision, the dicier it was to come up with believable figures. But what I also found is that I could come up with an impressive and very serious-looking spreadsheet sheet that either proved that I had caused millions in damage to the economy, or vice-versa, depending on the premises I had chosen.

    In short, you can make figures say anything, and even if they're BS, if they're presented in a synthetic, professional way, they still look credible.

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:Creative accounting by moozey · · Score: 2

      Con: You're another annoying bicycle rider on the road that every driver hates.

      Okay, I kid...

      But seriously.

    2. Re:Creative accounting by SeeSp0tRun · · Score: 2

      I had a professor explain this to me as the "shoes in China" theory. Basically, it says that you can make any assumptions you want, but unless they're based on cold hard facts, and 100% true, you're just FOS.
      If I sell shoes in china, I could *in theory* be rich off of a 1/1000 success rate. It may never happen, but it looks like an easy goal on paper...

      --
      Something witty.
  4. bad title? by fireylord · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The title is misleading, just by looking at the summary you can see this is about actual copyright infringement, not 'file sharers'. Guess this was submitted by a **aa shill.

    1. Re:bad title? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I don't give a sh*t about the Berne Convention.

      The ethics of the situation has really nothing to do with what a bunch of corporate minions manage to come up with behind closed doors somewhere.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  5. Re:$75 trillion in "extrapolation" by MadKeithV · · Score: 2

    You knew it was coming: obligatory XKCD - Extrapolation .

  6. Re:How does he sleep at night? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a low-life pond scum, willing participating in such a corrupt scheme/racket. Some people will do anything for money.

    May the worms eat his dead body from its casket and vomit his remains.

    I'm not sure how busting people for making counterfeit hardcopy and selling them for money qualifies as a "corrupt scheme/racket". Most people would consider plain old fashioned theft to be just that... theft.

    Oh, I'm sorry, you must have just read the slashdot title and immediately posted your rant without reading either the summary OR the article. Maybe you should stop doing that, it makes you look like an idiot.

  7. Re:lies and exaggeration by Kjella · · Score: 2

    "Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth." -- J. Michael Straczynski, creator of Babylon 5

    I like this quote, even if it's from a sci-fi - so often it goes into a binary mode where one side is right and the other is wrong. Very often both sides are exaggerating and using spurious logic and arguments, even if one side is fundamentally right. A complete misinterpretation is that the truth is always in the middle and that flat-earthers and round-earthers be given equal weight though.

    Of course their damage claims are ridiculous, but I see some pretty ludicrous claims on the other side too. Ask anyone who's tried to make a living on donations how that "pay if you like it" model is working out for them. So many people are happy to make a savings where they can, so if they can avoid paying they simply will. They could have found the money somehow, but it'd have to be taken from something else and they don't want to do that. And the "free marketing" argument that only works if it ends up in sales, otherwise it's "we make $0 on each pirated copy, but we make up for it on volume". Actually probably negative because even pirates like to use your support system.

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  8. Re:Impressive... by Moryath · · Score: 2

    No kidding.

    When the phrase "bend the truth" passes your lips as a PI, you should be fired and then barred by the courts from ever working as a PI again, and any lawyer who ever has to examine or cross-examine you should simply start out by asking why you're barred from working as a PI.

    End of discussion.

    What this guy did was completely disgusting, wholly reprehensible, and in any sane legal system would count as perjury.

  9. Re:How does he sleep at night? by intnsred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, piracy is a copyright violation; piracy is NOT theft.

    But to a address your point:

    I'm not sure how busting people for making counterfeit hardcopy and selling them for money qualifies as a "corrupt scheme/racket".

    The corrupt scheme is the inflating of the value of the so-called piracy by counting every blank disc as a pirated copy and lying like this for political purposes. This is the same immoral/sleazy tactic used by police to inflate the "street value" of seized marijuana plants. The corrupt cops count seeds, seedlings, leaves, stems, root balls, etc. when they know that only the bud of the pot plant gets sold and has real value. They lie this way to make the "crime" seem bigger.

    This is the same reason the corrupt PI lies about the value of pirated material. But in this case, they're also doing it to influence corrupt, corporate-funded politicians to pass harsher laws.

  10. Re:lies and exaggeration by DinDaddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I see some pretty ludicrous claims on the other side too. Ask anyone who's tried to make a living on donations how that "pay if you like it" model is working out for them.

    Show me a single person who has claimed artists could completely support themselves with a "pay if you like it model". People opposing the the industry point out that you have to find a new way of monetizing music, because charging X$ for a "copy" of the music won't work anymore when that copy can be made for essentially nothing. They need to add value in some other form.

    The whole "pay if you like it" exercise is to demonstrate that the claim of the RIAA that "non one will pay for music if they can get it for free" is false, that many still will pay. Most of the bands trying this exercise also have other purchase options, like including signed physical copies, access to limited concert tickets, or other things that a fan will care about.

    Poor attempt to make the two sides out as equally unreasonable.

  11. War against culture by alexo · · Score: 2

    subject says it all