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Civil Suit Filed, Involving the Time Zone Database

An anonymous reader writes "Arthur David Olson, the creator and maintainer of the timezone database used in about every unix/linux platform in use on the planet, just sent the message to the timezone mailing list: 'A civil suit was filed on September 30 in federal court in Boston; I'm a defendant; the case involves the time zone database. The ftp server at elsie.nci.nih.gov has been shut down. The mailing list will be shut down after this message. Electronic mail can be sent to me at @gmail.com. I hope there will be better news shortly. --ado' A Google search does not yet reveal anything about this; does someone know what is going on?"

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  1. Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et al by millert · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et al by idontgno · · Score: 5, Informative

      This blog article has an analysis of the action. It appears, essentially, that Astrolabe publishes an altas that the tz database is based on (in terms of reproducing time zone information from the atlas in the db):

      Defendant Olson's unauthorized reproduction of the Works have been published at ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/tzarchive.qz, where the references to historic international time zone data is replete with references to the fact that the source for this information is, indeed, the ACS Atlas.

      I thought the issue of whether you could copyright facts (e.g., phone numbers, timezone values for specific locations) was already settled law.

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    2. Re:Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et al by aevan · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:Astrolabe, Inc. v. Olson et al by Ghostworks · · Score: 5, Informative

      As usual, IANAL, but...

      The trouble is, you now CAN copyright databases. It's been made explicit in EU law, but I think it's still defensible under US law. The idea is that the organization of facts is copyrightable (take for example, encyclopedias, atlases, etc.). The trouble is, copyright transcends specific media, while a database separated from a specific medium is a mundane collection of facts. The argument here is that Olson's TZ database just cribbed Thomas Shanks' atlas.

      This seems like it's troll action. They're not going to be able to get anything of value out of Olson, so they probably want to get a judgment against him as leverage for payments from companies that uses the timezone database through Linux. On the other hand, those companies would be insane not to just bankroll Olson's defense. It's seems like a pretty weak case in a gray area, so it could go either way. Since Olson has announced his desire to retire from the project, I guess this was a "now or never" opportunity for the trolls.

      As a side note, the infowars portion of the suit has begun. The reference to Shanks on the "Tz database" page was added as close to the top as could be managed by user JulDes on Sept. 3, which seems to be the day the account was created. As of May 2006, "Thomas Shanks" on Wikipedia redirected to Irish footballer Tommy Shanks. As of One month ago, it now instead has information on the otherwise unknown author of the American Atlas, 1978, ACS publications. The editing account, "TZ Master" seems to have been created expressly for the purpose 5 minutes earlier.

  2. Given he had retirement plans how unfortunate by realxmp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just was reading http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lear-iana-timezone-database-04 apparently it looks like Arthur Olson was planning to retire. IETF was planning to take on the custody of the role and host the list? I wonder if this is related?

  3. Complaint Text by apilosov · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've pulled the complaint from PACER and uploaded it to docstoc:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/98231225/ACS-Atlas

  4. PACER by pirodude · · Score: 4, Informative

    COMPLAINT, REQUEST FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, RESTRAINING ORDER,
    DAMAGES AND TRIAL BY JURY
    Parties
    1. Plaintiff, Astrolabe, Inc. [hereinafter “Astrolabe”], is a for-profit
    Massachusetts corporation with a principal place of business at 350 Underpass
    Road, P.O. Box 1750, Brewster, Barnstable County, Commonwealth of
    Massachusetts 02631, and is engaged in the business of publication, marketing
    and sale, including computer software publications and/or programs
    pertaining to the field of astrology.
    2. Defendant, Arthur David Olson [hereinafter “Olson”], is an individual with a
    last and usual residence at 7406 Hancock Avenue, #2, Takoma Park,
    Maryland 20912, and with a usual an ordinary place of business as a computer
    specialist at the Laboratory of Experimental Carcinogenesis, Building 37,
    Room 4146A, National Cancer Institute, National Institute of Health, 37
    Convent Drive, MSC 4262, Bethesda, Maryland 20892.
    3. Defendant, Paul R. Eggert [hereinafter “Eggert”], is an individual with a last
    and usual residence in the State of California, who is engaged in the business
    of computer services and programming, and employed as a lecturer with the
    University of California, Los Angeles, Computer Science Department, with a
    principal business address of: UCLA Computer Science, Box 951596,
    4532JBH, Los Angeles, Calfiornia 90095-1596.
    Case 1:11-cv-11725-GAO Document 1 Filed 09/30/11 Page 1 of 5
    Jurisdiction
    4. Pursuant to a written agreement, Astrolabe is the copyright assignee of the
    copyright owner, of certain copyright-protected computer software programs
    and information contained therein, pursuant to the Copyright Protection Act,
    17 U.S.C. Section 101, et seq., known as the “ACS Atlas,” consisting of both
    the “ACS International Atlas,” and the “ACS American Atlas,” in the form of
    computer software program(s) and/or data bases, and in the form of electronic
    output and future electronic media from said programs [hereinafter “the Works”].
    5. These atlases set forth interpretations of historical time zone information
    pertaining to innumerable locations throughout the world, based upon the
    compilation of historical research and documentation regarding applicable
    time zones officially and/or in actuality in effect, given the actual latitude and
    longitudes of specific locations throughout the world.
    6. Upon information and belief, defendants Olson and Eggert have unlawfully
    reproduced the Works, in violation of the Copyright Protection Act, without
    proper permission and/or authorization from the copyright holder, and without
    paying royalties due and payable to the copyright holder and/or its assignee,
    Astrolabe, in computer software format.
    7. Plaintiff, Astrolabe publishes, markets and sells its ACS Atlas programs (the
    Works) for commercial profit purposes to, inter alia, those interested and/or
    engaged in the business and field of astrology seeking to determine the
    historical time at any given time in any particular location, world-wide.
    8. In connection with its rights to reproduce the Works, plaintiff Astrolabe is
    contractually obligated to pay royalties to the owner/assignor of the copyright
    and the authors of the same.
    Facts
    9. Defendant Olson’s unauthorized reproduction of the Works have been
    published at ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/tzarchive.qz, where the references to
    historic international time zone data is replete with references to the fact that
    the source for this information is, indeed, the ACS Atlas.
    10. In connection with his unlawful publication of some and/or any portion of the
    Works, defendant Olson has wrongly and unlawfully asserted that this
    information and/or data is “in the public domain,” in violation of the
    protections afforded by the federal copyright laws.
    11. Defendant Eggert’s unauthorized repro

  5. Has to do with TZ change dates by Phoenix+Rising · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a decent and quick summary, clipped in part from the complaint. Short version: Astrolabe, Inc. has purchased the copyright to the American Atlas and is claiming that because Olson and others used the atlas as a source for some timezone information, the entire database infringes.

    http://www.thedailyparker.com/PermaLink,guid,c5f28bae-4b9c-41ea-b7b7-8891ad63c938.aspx

    Of course, the timezone information itself is public - the atlas only collected it.

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  6. Defenses and motivations by PatentMagus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whoever related this to the SCO litigation is closer than he knows. The timezone database has been widely hosted and replicated - most notably on *.gov servers. A finding of copyright infringement could allow the plaintiff to collect against all sorts of entities - including the US government. I also suspect that statutory damages are possible. So, winning this case would be a massive massive payday.

    The defenses include that the data itself is factual and that the atlas data itself has been used openly and notoriously for so many years that the copyright is extinguished by laches. Something that can add strength to the defense is that the form (as in formatting, data storage, etc.) of the factual data is different.

    Regardless of all that, this case could get pushed pretty far through the appeals process. Those US government pockets are deep are about as deep as they get. Someone also mentioned IBM's bug squashing abilities. Has the database been hosted off a *.ibm.com location?

    For those wanting to check out the case law, the place to start is:
    Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991)

    In a more open source centric mode, has anyone thrown down a web site for gathering timezone info?

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