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Putting Emails In Folders Is a Waste of Time, Says IBM Study

An anonymous reader writes "There are two types of office workers in the world — those who file their emails in folders, and those who use search. Well, it looks like the searchers are smarter. A 354-user study by IBM research found that users who just searched their inbox found emails slightly faster than users who had filed them by folder. Add the time spent filing and the searchers easily come out on top. Apparently the filers are using their inbox as a to-do list rather than wanting to categorize information to find it more easily."

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  1. Was the test done with Lotus Notes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because I'm sure that wouldn't skew the results from people gouging out their eyeballs.

    1. Re:Was the test done with Lotus Notes? by executeGlobal · · Score: 2

      With office, I was glad to use the search function. With notes, I was FORCED to change to using folder for my projects. With Outlook, I can get away with searches without a problem. Note's search is very picky. Sometimes the search appears to be case sensitive, or doesn't deal with extra spaces, ect. The search function is not worth bothering with in Notes. In fact, it's not even JUST the synatx, it's the search itself. It seems to take FOREVER to get search results. Creating rules in Notes does take some of the 'noise' out and makes some things less of a headache, but even with the Notes mail rules, I've noticed that the rules do not work as well as office either (same picky syntax).

    2. Re:Was the test done with Lotus Notes? by djl4570 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that "Next" isn't the next email in the result set but the whatever email originally followed the one that appeared in the result set. The Interface Hall of Shame said the following about Notes: We wish we found IBM's Lotus Notes a long time ago. This single application could have formed the basis for the entire site. The interface is so problematic, that one might conclude that the designers had previously visited this site, and misread "Hall of Shame" as "Hall of Fame".

  2. Except that... by Trip6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your inbox gets too unwieldy.

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    1. Re:Except that... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. Scrollbars become unusable when one scrollbar pixel equals several pages of what's being scrolled.

      Plus...ummm, doesn't "search" work on folders too? Ooops!

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    2. Re:Except that... by KhabaLox · · Score: 2

      Archive 2010-?

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    3. Re:Except that... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is why I have one folder called "work stuff" where everything I save goes.

      Mine's called 'Trash'. Works really well.

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    4. Re:Except that... by icebike · · Score: 2

      Search works across all folders too.
      Plus, any competent mail package, will file things for you. Nobody i know manually files email.

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    5. Re:Except that... by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently, IBM hasn't discovered the concept of filter, which can organize emails automatically. Hopefully, when they do, there won't be a new patent forthcoming.

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    6. Re:Except that... by fwarren · · Score: 2

      We had a store manger who saved several years worth of email in his Outlook "Trash" folder. He took the day off and a manger from another location was covering for him and emptied the trash in Outlook. The next day when he got back to work he was VERY freaked out.

      I was able to "damage" the first 8 bytes of the pst file and run fixpst to get all the mail back. At which point he was lectured on creating a folder not named "Trash" to keep email in.

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    7. Re:Except that... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      My wife kept clicking Junk in apple mail to delete messages after she had read them, then asked me why she never saw any new messages.

    8. Re:Except that... by Compaqt · · Score: 2

      For me, folders are a way to group emails by project.

      Emails that relate to a given project might not necessarily have a keyword that I can search on.

      E.g., I might send an email entitled "ProjectName: Server downtime"

      But I might receive an email entitled "Some thoughts".

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  3. No, wrong clonclusion. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The right conclusion, is that people suck at organizing emails into folders. Therefore, for most people putting emails in folders is a waste of time.

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    1. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I find it to be a waste of time, I have a few things that are automatically labeled for me. Usually I'll have mailinglists and ads specially labeled, pretty much everything else goes into the main inbox uncategorized. A mail client with a proper search feature makes quick work of finding things when I need them, certainly a lot faster than thumbing through folders.

      Also, folders don't really handle cases where a piece of mail belongs in two different categories very well. Labels OTOH handle that quite a bit more easily and don't necessarily require you to organize everything in order to be worthwhile.

    2. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

          Shouldn't that be, people in the small sample set, suck at organizing emails?

          I think some of us do pretty damned well. I have a dozen primary folders, and dated archives (year and month). Searching one huge box for say resumes that came in regarding a position we were hiring for in April. Despite how nice it may be to search by message content, applicants suck. You might think it's ok, because applicants who can't write a cover letter aren't worth finding. That's ok, except for when a superior wants to audit the hiring, and see all the applicant submissions. So the better option is to read all the mail that came in during that period? Great. That'll take a while.

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    3. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by soundguy · · Score: 2

      Who files everything manually? I have about 300 folders and the majority of my mail is routed to folders by sender, recipient, or subject via rules. I also have hundreds of forwarders to a handful of primary POP accounts, which is much easier than managing hundreds of individual POP accounts. The only thing in my inbox are a few messages from people who email me directly instead of using my customer service mailto links that pre-populate the subject line with my routing keywords. FWIW I still use Forte Agent as my client.

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    4. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by supercrisp · · Score: 2

      That was pretty much my thought, except worded as "students suck." It's hard to search for content or have reliable filtering when you get random gibberish or nothing explaining that file attachment. And user names are useless when they're crap like jabarjamshard_2000 or sexyprince411. So I have hot keys to throw things into a teaching folder, which I can then scroll through by date. Yes, it blows. But it's the way it has to be. I don't know where the "getting things done" types work that they can delete e-mail after dealing with it. At my job, I have to have all sorts of crap lingering around, to prove a case (about absences, plagiarism, lack of preparedness, etc), or to go look up something unimportant that suddenly became important because Dean Whackadoo has a bee in his bottom that morning.

    5. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      Agree. I have 6 offline email folders with 6 Gb of emails up to 5 years old. My corporate inbox falls over with 100MB in it. I use search of course but also archive by project. My email is a knowledge base that amplifies my memory in my technical role and is a productivity boost that most corporate IT and HR (delete all old email in case we get taken to court - by patent trolls & similar parasites) regard as a problem. Search alone does not give me context. The article is flawed if you use it to extend to all use cases.

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    6. Re:No, wrong clonclusion. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      for most people putting emails in folders is a waste of time.

      Many (most) people I know spend most of their work day on various wastes of time - sorting your mail not only makes you look busy while you do it, it also produces a tangible product of your labor, and gives you something to act overwhelmed about after you've been out for 3 days at a trade show: "I'll be working through my Inbox all morning."

  4. Depends on your email volume by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

    If you have 100+ mails coming in on a daily basis, and have 6-7 years worth of mail to search through, folders can be useful for cutting down the search time atleast, esp. if you are able to setup rules to route the mails to folders automatically (Even with indexing, sometimes it takes a few seconds to complete the search)

    1. Re:Depends on your email volume by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I was working for a Particularly Large Software Company, I received a large number of automated emails every day from automated build processes. These emails were automatically filed into a special folder, so that they didn't clutter my inbox, and ping my smart phone every single time I got one of them. This followed through later for "Out of Office" emails, and a few others.

      Of course, as such, the only reason why I had folders was to keep a particular set of emails from pinging my smart phone, and bugging me all day, every day constantly with email build progress updates.

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    2. Re:Depends on your email volume by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      So, if you're archiving list traffic, by all means filter on the headers - that is just brain-dead simple.

      However, in general if your search routine struggles with 100 emails/day * 7 years, then you need a better search routine. I think that is the biggest problem with most email clients - the search indexing is pretty lousy. If Google can index half of the Internet and retrieve results in milliseconds, then my email program should be able to sort through 200k emails in less than 10 seconds.

  5. no way - wrong search terms leave things behind by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Project folders are superior, especially as time passes one can't remember proper keyword to bring up all relevant emails. Yes, I've used e-mail systems that were folderless and only search was possible, not quite as useful.

  6. It's not always about search time by proxima · · Score: 2

    I let my inbox fill up for 3-12 months and massively archive it in one swoop to a small number of folders (about 15). I actually use search quite a bit to help do that sorting faster. What this cleanout process does is force me to delete messages that I'm 99.999% sure I'll never want to see again. They can just clutter up search results and casual browsing.

    As messages come in, I use flags to ensure that messages I need to eventually respond to don't get lost in the shuffle. Some frequent, automated stuff gets automatically archived (e.g. amazon purchases), just to help keep the recent inbox low on clutter.

    Archiving has advantages and disadvantages. On my personal email account, archived messages are offline; this makes search (or re-indexing) faster but leaves me without those messages when away from my laptop. But more than anything I archive because a single inbox with X years and tens of thousands of messages is pretty cluttered, and I know that eventually I'll want to sort through them to eliminate messages that will never be useful. Fortunately, that's rarely true spam in my case. There's also the odd email I've forgotten about that I have to follow up on, if I forgot to flag it appropriately. What's the cost? Maybe 4 hours a year.

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    1. Re:It's not always about search time by swillden · · Score: 2

      On my personal email account, archived messages are offline; this makes search (or re-indexing) faster but leaves me without those messages when away from my laptop. But more than anything I archive because a single inbox with X years and tens of thousands of messages is pretty cluttered, and I know that eventually I'll want to sort through them to eliminate messages that will never be useful.

      Not me. In my personal e-mail account I have every non-spam e-mail message I've received since 1996, and I see no reason why I should ever take the time to sort through them and eliminate useless cruft. Why should I? Decent search means I can always find what I'm looking for, and keeping everything means there's no chance that I deleted it just because at one point in time I thought it would be useless. Heck, I've even at times gone through old e-mails which are in and of themselves useless, but collectively give clues about when some sequence of important life events happened in the past.

      Given the way storage capacities keep growing, I see no reason to ever delete any e-mail (spam aside).

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  7. So... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    People are actually using email in two quite distinct ways; but one way is faster at doing what we thought everyone used email for, and is therefor better? Cool.

    Frankly, this sounds like a challenge for team search: computers are very good indeed, even with the quite basic desktop search mechanisms, not the fancy search engine stuff, at assorted glorified greps. You want all the emails that mention project X, or were sent by Mr. Y? No problem. You want to know when project X needs to be finished? Well, get all emails mentioning project X and start exploring the exciting universe of different natural language ways of suggesting that project X needs to be finished. Search isn't completely useless; but you've basically gone back to filing...

    I've seen a few hints of this in Gmail, which will pick out emails that appear to obviously be appointments or date/time combinations and offer to add them to your calendar; but further expansion would be nice. Aside from the people who are just conceptually crippled, it seems unlikely that users are sorting their emails into folders just because doing electronic shit work is all fun and giggles. They are likely doing it because search can't(or the advanced search features that can, they can't use) organize their email for them in the way they prefer it to be. Let's see a software agent that starts picking out salient topics, and piecing together a slightly creepy knowledge of it by watching your mailstream(and FFS, let's make it client side, or based on servers you control, not some you are a peon in the cloud plantation shit...)

    1. Re:So... by caitsith01 · · Score: 2

      Frankly, this sounds like a challenge for team search: computers are very good indeed, even with the quite basic desktop search mechanisms, not the fancy search engine stuff, at assorted glorified greps. You want all the emails that mention project X, or were sent by Mr. Y? No problem. You want to know when project X needs to be finished? Well, get all emails mentioning project X and start exploring the exciting universe of different natural language ways of suggesting that project X needs to be finished. Search isn't completely useless; but you've basically gone back to filing...

      You touch on the real reason to use folders: even you don't always know exactly what you're looking for. Human memory doesn't work like a computer's memory. So if you are in a busy work environment with thousands of emails flying around, and you suddenly remember that you got an email that might be relevant to something to do with a particular project approximately 4-5 months ago from one of a half-dozen people, how are you going to search for it?

      Nicely organised folders are superior for this task. Instead of tapping away at search terms trying to figure out a combination that works, you simply jump to the appropriate folder, flick back about 4-5 months and have a look through emails from that period of time relating to that project. Using folders saves you from sifting through piles and piles of unrelated crap - it's a broad brush way of reducing the complexity of the task. Sure you could probably achieve this via a search, but it's quicker IMHO to jump into the folder and then browse.

      In other words, search is good if you know exactly what you are after. Browsing folders is good if you want to... browse.

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  8. IBM Uses Lotus Notes for Email by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not what I'd call "Experts."

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  9. Search? Ever used Outlook? by milbournosphere · · Score: 2

    Clearly nobody in the 354 person study uses Outlook. Worst. Search. Ever. I could see it in gmail maybe, but never in Outlook. I'd go crazy if I had to keep my work emails in the Inbox, or in one folder. In Outlook, organizing my email(filters or by hand) keeps me sane.

  10. I'm a stupid filer, at my workplace by MikeDawg · · Score: 2

    So, I am one of the stupid filers, at my workplace. But to help defend myself, I think the searching capabilities is most email clients is horrendous. If I had a gmail account for all my work related email, then that may be a different story, but unfortunately, I have to stick to the couple of email clients that I am allowed to use at work, and they can't search worth a damn. I am able to quickly find emails, without searching, as most people lag behind, and try to get the search in the email client to work properly.

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  11. "Reference" folder by Bodero · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I once read a Best Practices manual for Microsoft Outlook by the Outlook team that changed how I deal with email. The premise is this:
    • Have only two folders: Inbox, and Reference.
    • When an email comes in and it does not need to be acted on, read it, then move it to Reference.
    • If an email needs to be acted upon, leave it in your inbox until the task is complete. This may be hours, days, weeks or months. But everything in your inbox is something that is waiting on someone.

    I frequently had a habit of reading emails on my smartphone and forgetting about them. Now, I can either move them to Reference on my phone, or do it when I get back to my desk. But nothing slips through the cracks this way, which was a huge problem when I first got a smartphone.

  12. Re:Odd Conclusion by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is that unless the sorting mechanism is perfect you can wind up in the situation where you never see an email and don't know that it's even arrived.

    Wouldn't your mail client indicate that you have N unread e-mails (sometimes configurable to only show those N from up to M days ago) in the folder it was sorted to?
    Pretty hard to miss.

    I do think the researchers' claim is a bit silly, but your concern is tangential with another..

    The researchers checked two groups:
    1. Those who simply let the computer search their entire inbox (be that with or without sorted folders) for the e-mail.
    2. Those who go to the sorted folder they believe the e-mail to be in, and then manually look through all of the e-mails in that folder hoping to spot it.

    The second group isn't very realistic. More commonly (that I've seen), that group goes to the folder that they believe the e-mail to be in, and then let the computer search that folder. That means the computer doesn't have to look through, say, 2,000 e-mails - it only has to look through, say, 100.
    Depending on whether or not the computer can scan every folder faster than you can click to the folder, the latter can be much faster. Certainly on older computers with slow harddisks.

    However, there is one problem that crops up... what if the folder you think the e-mail is in, is not where it actually is. What if the e-mail from John about Vacation isn't in the folder 'John' but in the folder 'Vacation'?
    That's where time is usually wasted, which often results in having to search all of the folders anyway if you don't remember which other folder(s) it might be in.

    I think the vastly increased speed with which e-mails can be searched - especially if you use e.g. gmail which can search many times faster than your home box - does mean that folders become less important in terms of organizing e-mails for faster retrieval purposes. They'll still have their place for organization in general, though (i.e. 'work' vs 'personal') - but alongside tags and 'search folders'.

  13. Must use folders by bdenton42 · · Score: 2

    Where I work has absurdly low quotas on the Exchange server, I believe 100 MB. The only thing I keep in my Inbox is the "to-do" kind of stuff, everything else goes into a folder in a pst file on my local drive. It sucks because I end up having to search two places a lot of time because you cannot search both an Exchange and local pst with one search.

  14. Get off my lawn? by peppepz · · Score: 3, Funny
    So, folders are a waste of time. The ribbon user interface is cool. Walled gardens are OK.

    I must be getting very old.

  15. Re:Makes sense by zippthorne · · Score: 2

    Why click through tags even if you DO use them? You can use the "label:blah" (i think, or it might be "infolder:" )as a search term to search combinations of them, including negative combinations.

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  16. Don't necessarily sort for others by holophrastic · · Score: 2

    I share an e-mail account with colleagues. The sorting isn't just for convenience, there's information stored in the organizational structure itself.

    As a single user, having read every e-mail, you search only for that which you've already seen. That's quick, no doubt. But imagine searching for something that may not be there.

    How long would it take you to search through someone else's e-mail to answer a simple question? For example, find all of the e-mails discussing a particular project.

    Sure you could search. You could serach for the name of the project, the members of the project, the dates of the project. But unless you read each and every single e-mail, you'll never know for sure that you've nto missed one e-mail discussing some minor aspect of the project.

    But, since each and every e-mail is, necessarily, read -- by the recipient -- it can easily be thrown into the given project's folder. Makes it really easy for someone else to catch-up on the project at any given time. Also easy for me to tell you where to find information on the project.

    That whole concept goes for backups as well. It's easy to drag a folder and have a backup of an important, and maybe completed project. Very difficult to do it with searches -- probably impossible.

    There is information present in structure itself, which is not contained within the data itself, and yet is not meta information of either. The more you can encode into that structure, the more that structure will work for you directly. It adds all sorts of new capabilities, which would otherwise be incredibly arduous to obtain.

  17. Nonsense... by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... putting emails in folders means you restrict the search to just emails in those folders, if you get a lot of email folders definitely make sense. Especially if you are on a mailing list.

  18. Bus proof by Builder · · Score: 2

    I don't just file for myself, I file in case I get hit by a bus.

    To expect my work colleagues to work out what search terms to use is unreasonable. But if everything is filed by topic and by date, they'll be easily able to jump in and find relevant info and come up to speed quickly.