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Air Force Network Admins Found Out About Drone Virus Through News Story

Nemesisghost writes "Wired's Danger Room reports that the network admins of the 24th Air Force found out about the virus infecting the drone cockpits at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada by reading the earlier news article. Quoting: 'Not only were officials in charge kept out of the loop about an infection in America’s weapon and surveillance system of choice, but the surprise surrounding that infection highlights a flaw in the way the U.S. military secures its information infrastructure: There’s no one in the Defense Department with his hand on the network switch. In fact, there is no one switch to speak of. The four branches of the U.S. armed forces each has a dedicated unit that, in theory, is supposed to handle cyber defense for the entire service. ... In practice, it’s not that simple. Unlike most big private enterprises, the 24th doesn’t have a centralized system for managing and monitoring its networks. There’s no place at the 24th’s San Antonio headquarters where someone could see all the digital traffic hurtling through the service’s pipes.'"

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  1. YAY by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Compartmentalization AND Security through obscurity.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    1. Re:YAY by catmistake · · Score: 2

      Ha! You guys are so gullible! Don't you see? Its feints within feints! The 24th is a honeytrap! While the cyber enemies scramble to infiltrate the vulnerable 24th Air Force's non-existant NOC, our 1337 cyber-commandos are... you guessed it, in their base killing their doods. Brilliant! That's why they refer to the U.S.A.F. as "the Thinkers." Feints within feints!! w00t!

    2. Re:YAY by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know... you might be saying that being funny.

      However, I think you truly have a point. At least I really hope so. What is claimed in this article makes Air Force cyber security look so weak and pathetic that whoever they have tasked to do it could not qualify for a job with the Geek Squad.

      If our security really is that weak.... why the hell are we worried about terrorists taking over civilian aircraft still when they could remotely take over a bunch of armed drones and attack military and civilian targets with our own advanced weaponry?

    3. Re:YAY by catmistake · · Score: 3, Funny

      If our security really is that weak.... why the hell are we worried about terrorists taking over civilian aircraft still when they could remotely take over a bunch of armed drones and attack military and civilian targets with our own advanced weaponry?

      I think it may be more difficult to get the good PS3 controllers in the desert, and even when they do, the sand just wreaks havok on them.

    4. Re:YAY by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is kinda insane. The Army, Navy, Marines, and (of course) Air Force all have flying vehicles. I think if it flies, it should be handled by the Air Force, period. If you need special forces stuff like SOAR, then they should be an air forces special division. Similarly, the Navy ought to handle the boats (save for the Coast Guard, which is separate for a good reason), the Army should handle infantry, etc.

      I really don't get why there's all these branches of the military with overlapping roles - branches who don't talk to one another. That's how stuff like this happens. You really need one organization to handle something like networking but you end up with 4 or 5. Bureaucracy at its finest!

    5. Re:YAY by jittles · · Score: 2

      It is kinda insane. The Army, Navy, Marines, and (of course) Air Force all have flying vehicles. I think if it flies, it should be handled by the Air Force

      IF you knew your history of Army Aviation, and such you'd know that the Air Force has no interest in providing the Marines and Army with what they want. In fact, when drones started becoming big, the Air Force specifically said they would not touch anything that doesn't fly above 10,000ft. So what will the Army or Marine Corps do if the Air Force doesn't want to provide them with the Close Air Support and low level surveillance that they need? They will roll their own of course! And it's the Air Force's lack of interest in such things that keeps food on my table, too!

  2. Consolidation is Needed by hedgemage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When nuclear weapons were new, each branch of the military tried to become the 'nuclear' arm by introducing new weapons systems and trying to impress politicos with how they should be the ones with the budget and prestige. We don't need multiple branches of cybersecurity forces, we need one branch that can handle it all. Time to dump the military romanticism of the 18th century that divides our military into earth/water/air/fire/heart and reorg. Hell, maybe we even need another side to the Pentagon for cyberwarfare.

    1. Re:Consolidation is Needed by couchslug · · Score: 2

      Nonsense. Leadership and giving the right ORDERS works fine.

      You can TELL the military to stop using Windows tomorrow and they either do that or it's UCMJ time. The example is extreme but real.

      A lot of cybersecurity would be to reduce bullshit computer use. Take away options. Take unclassified systems off the internet or filter them heavily.

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    2. Re:Consolidation is Needed by Chowderbags · · Score: 2

      USCYBERCOM. Then again, we already have DISA so why we needed to make things more complicated is anyone's guess.

  3. cyber command by kaoshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, is this what they meant by downgraded provisional cyber command? As in, a room with pictures of maps on big flat screens and no actual command of anything? If this is the best the most elite hackers our military can muster, then I think my wife should try and apply. She knows how to use Excel pretty well.

    1. Re:cyber command by Stray7Xi · · Score: 2

      If this is the best the most elite hackers our military can muster, then I think my wife should try and apply. She knows how to use Excel pretty well.

      In fact that is exactly how military works. They hire mostly people with high school education and train them into career fields. Cyber command started just over a year ago. Apparently you think the military should be able to train up people in 1 year for what takes colleges 4 years to do.

      I prefer to think of them as CS college sophomores... they're still thinking about switching majors because "math is hard."

  4. Re:Budget cuts by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

    This has nothing to do with taxes.
    The military finds funding when it needs it.

    This is mostly a failure of leadership.
    Unless something comes from the top down, their networks will remain a group of islands.
    It took a 9/11 for us to reform our intelligence sharing and it'll probably take the internet equivalent before the military to puts their house in order.

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  5. Re:Obligatory by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    There are some things that are just embarrassing though. This is one of them. The F22's avionics systems crashing due to crossing the international date line is another. It raises serious questions about how much we trust our armed forces to properly handle security.

    I used to think that the stuxnet virus had a few oversights that were well beyond the incompetence level of the US government (the P2P update feature with hard-coded password being one) but this sort of thing suggests that in fact, when it comes to technology, the US government has no competition in the field of incompetence.

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  6. Re:Were they also surprised ... by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, because that is intentional.

    If you encrypt it, you have to distribute the decryption keys. That's not a trivial task when you're talking about military situations. You have to deal with unreliable communications, the possibility of a unit being overrun and keys captured, and distributing new keys regularly over a very wide area to units from several countries. Now remember that any of these problems don't merely cause downtime, but get troops killed.

    Or you just transmit the video unencrypted.

    The assumption was any adversary sophisticated enough to receive the video would also have the minimal radar and signals capabilities to detect the presence of the drones anyway, so the video itself would not be all that helpful.

    That assumption doesn't hold with the conflicts we are currently fighting, so they're trying to figure out if it's sufficiently worthwhile to encrypt the data with the problems that would cause.

  7. Re:Shenanigans by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    I wonder how much porn and illicit downloading goes through the military networks?

    Not much. They use proxies and whitelists. Your average elementary school is less locked down than the military networks.

    So, tell me, again, how the virus got on the machines? A "thumb drive," you say?

    If you're going to claim incompetence on their part, you could at least RTFA. Portable hard disks used to transfer map updates from network-connected systems to the isolated network where the drones operate.

  8. Re:Were they also surprised ... by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    No, you're talking about distribution of the keys on the drones. That isn't a problem, since the drones return to a relatively safe base regularly.

    What is a problem is you want the soldiers on the ground to be able to see the video, any time, under fire or not, even if their network connection has been down for months, even if they belong to another nation.

    It's not easy to enter a new key while someone's dropping mortar rounds all around you, assuming you can even get the correct people on the radio.

    Transmit unencrypted video and that problem goes away. Which is why they chose to do so.

  9. Re:Budget cuts by garyebickford · · Score: 2

    Considering that defense, customs and border control are some of the few items actually set out in the Constitution as important activities of the federal government, that's probably a reasonably good thing. (Not to say that it's being done right now, I'm just sayin'). IIRC, for most of US history Defense was well over 1/2 of the total federal budget. Now it's somewhere close to 20%.

    In the 1950s the entire Interstate Highway System was justified on defense grounds - the height of overpasses was set to allow military vehicles and missile carriers to go through.

    The plain fact is that without borders and defense, we don't have a nation-state. EVERYTHING else is frosting on the cake. Is it being done right, effectively, etc.? Separate question. Should we be the policeman for the whole world? Nearly every other nation has wanted us in that role since WWII including many so-called counter parties like Russia and China. (Notable exceptions are of the ilk of North Korea, etc.) They often don't like the way we do it, but they distrust every other nation even more - and they certainly don't want the UN to have that kind of power any more than we do.

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  10. You're surprised? by msobkow · · Score: 2

    I am.

    The fact that they don't have a means of broadcasting alerts to the technicians is a sign of an absolutely scary level of incometence.

    Are the launch codes for the nuclear arsenal as well protected and monitored as the drones? If so, the entire world should be terrified of American incompetence.

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  11. What? by gottabeme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What you've just suggested is the same error clueless bureaucrats make about technology, except in reverse; the other side of the same coin.

    PHBs who have no idea how computers or networks work say to organize or administrate them in a way that makes sense for organizing tangible items with physical problems, but utterly fails when applied to computers.

    You have suggested organizing the branches of the military according to the way a computer network should be organized. Worse, you've suggested this not only regarding the branches' computer networks, but also regarding military operations.

    Not only do you ignore the inter-service cooperation that already exists, but you ignore the pointless extra division that your idea would entail, like having AF pilots flying aircraft off carriers or flying Blackhawks full of Army troops. In both cases, the AF pilots would be working exclusively with members of the other branch, so what would the point be of having them under a different CoC? They'd end up assigned to TDY under another branch...in which case they might as well be in that branch in the first place. It really doesn't help unit cohesion to have artificial divisions between, e.g. the chopper pilots and the troops they carry around and support.

    Are you even aware that the Marines are under the Department of the Navy? Sheesh.

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