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Australian Malls To Track Shoppers By Their Phones

Fluffeh writes "Australian shopping centers will monitor customers' mobile phones to track how often they visit, which stores they like and how long they stay. One unnamed Queensland shopping center is next month due to become the first in the nation to install receivers that detect unique mobile phone radio frequency codes to pinpoint location within two meters."

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  1. Good luck... by __Paul__ · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Australian shops are so overpriced that it's getting to the point where they're not going to have any customers to track.

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    1. Re:Good luck... by labnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...Australian shops are so overpriced that it's getting to the point where they're not going to have any customers to track.

      Amen to that.
      We were quoted $8k for 2 Siemens Wall Ovens.
      UK Retail Price $3.2k
      What did we do? Paid the $3.2k + $800 costs to import them!

      Globalisation is a disruptive force!

      (BTW Australians call them shopping centres, not Malls)
      (BBTW Have seen our supermarkets stocking halloween stuff... go away unwanted American culture)

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    2. Re:Good luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WTF has that got to do with culture?? ll made in China as far as I can see, what was your point?

    3. Re:Good luck... by FireFury03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So it's cheaper to get them from Europe than from the US? That's a surprise.

      My experience of trying to import electronics from the US into the UK is that very few online shops in the US seem to ship outside of North America, whereas the online shops in Europe tend to be happy to ship to anywhere in the world.

    4. Re:Good luck... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      go away unwanted American culture

      I have the opposite opinion than that of what appears to be the majority of my countrymen - please DON'T adopt our culture; make your own!

      I've seen the Bahamas and now the Cayman Islands Americanize themselves - stop it! Not only are you shortchanging your heritage and customs, you're making your tourist destinations bland and boring. No one except culturally vapid, Jerry Springer-ized Americans want to spend $$$ traveling to a supposedly exotic destination only to find Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts on every corner, just like at home. I want to experience your world view, your culture, not a poor reflection of my own.

      A friend of mine accompanied some of those culturally walled-off types on a trip to Scotland a few years ago. She was assured that they'd 'see and do everything'. She ended up being forced by her friends to stay in US chain hotels instead of B&Bs and eat in US chain restaurants instead of local pubs. No local culture, no interaction with non-service industry locals working for US companies, no difference from their normal lives. How boring!

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    5. Re:Good luck... by Frenzied+Apathy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I echo this.

      Being in the US Navy I saw a lot of the Mediterranean and South American countries. I NEVER ate or stayed at anything that even resembled American culture. Guys would eat hamburgers for dinner in the mess hall on the ship, then go out on shore and hunt down a McDonald's. WTF?!?!

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    6. Re:Good luck... by Abstrackt · · Score: 2

      I have the opposite opinion than that of what appears to be the majority of my countrymen - please DON'T adopt our culture; make your own!

      I've seen the Bahamas and now the Cayman Islands Americanize themselves - stop it! Not only are you shortchanging your heritage and customs, you're making your tourist destinations bland and boring. No one except culturally vapid, Jerry Springer-ized Americans want to spend $$$ traveling to a supposedly exotic destination only to find Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts on every corner, just like at home. I want to experience your world view, your culture, not a poor reflection of my own.

      If only I had mod points.

      The fact that everyone is different and most of us can get along despite that is why I love to travel. I've had some of the most interesting discussions of my life in random bars halfway around the world because the difference in culture gave such varied opinions. When I go to another country I go to see that country, not my own, otherwise I could just save the money and stay at home.

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  2. Surveilance society anyone? by cbope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great, thanks. Now I know next time I go shopping in Oz I will pop the battery out of my phone.

    WTF is up with companies these days who think they can track everywhere you go and everything you do? If this is not privacy invasion, I don't know what is. Pretty soon every child born will get their global tracking implant right after birth so they can be tracked throughout their life.

    Please repeat, 1984 is NOT an instruction manual.

    1. Re:Surveilance society anyone? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Only if they add randomness to the encryption; otherwise the encrypted ID will be as constant and therefore as identifying as the unencrypted one.

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    2. Re:Surveilance society anyone? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In a small community where everybody knew everybody else a storekeeper could already see who was coming into their store, who bought what and who walked past and when.

      And if you didn't want him gossiping with your neighbours about your shopping habits, you could always go to the next town. Now the shopkeeper in the next town (who's never even met you) knows all about your preferences for honey, blue stockings, ribbed condoms, and 12-year-old Scotch before you get there.

      So, no, it's not at all "coming back".

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    3. Re:Surveilance society anyone? by cbope · · Score: 2

      Actually, I did not sacrifice my rights to privacy when I got a mobile phone. The telco has a need to know where I, or more precisely my phone, is located, in order to provide service to me as a customer. My contract with the phone company gives me a reasonable expectation of privacy (note the word: reasonable). I do not expect them to share my location data without my explicit consent.

      I do not consent to a 3rd party using my phone as a tracking device without my permission or knowledge. As the mall has provided me no contract with which to agree or disagree, they do not have the right to know where I am by tracking my mobile phone movements within the premises, regardless of their motives.

    4. Re:Surveilance society anyone? by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I will pop the battery out of my phone.

      I have an iPhone, you insensitive clod!

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  3. Not Unique to Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This isn't strictly an Australian thing, so you'll need to just get rid of the phone. A prominent, international retailer that I work with is using a service similar to this now. It tracks the unique addresses of the phones of the people in the store as well as the ones just outside of the store. It helps to measure conversion percentages (e.g. how many people that walk in the store actually buy something) and could be used to give an indicator of store front appeal (e.g. phone ID xxx has been walking by the store everyday for a week, but came in the store after the price cuts were indicated in the store window). Finally, if the tracker is installed at multiple stores, it will note if the same person browses at one store and purchases at another (e.g. finds product at the full price store in Manhattan, but buys at the outlet shop in Paramus).

    This isn't really that new, just a new approach to more targeted marketing. Retailers have been counting you as you walk through the door, collecting your name, address, and purchasing habits for years. Some customers even volunteer their information by signing up for club cards and rewards cards.

  4. Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act by bool2 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In Australia, the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 explicitly prohibits this activity.
    Section 7 - Telecommunications not to be intercepted

    A person shall not:

    • (a) intercept;
    • (b) authorize, suffer or permit another person to intercept; or
    • (c) do any act or thing that will enable him or her or another person to intercept;

    a communication passing over a telecommunications system.

    This seems like a pretty clear violation to me. (note, that even though it is data traffic between the phone and the cell and not voice, it still violates the above.)

  5. Re:From TFA by mrbester · · Score: 2

    Indeed, a citation is needed. Fuck the "struggling retail sector", you don't track me unless you're in possession of a warrant.

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  6. Re:From TFA by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Ms Baddeley said mobile phone monitoring, already operating in the UK and US, would help the struggling retail sector develop marketing campaigns and identify the best mix of shops in centres."

    The retail sector is struggling because I can buy almost everything cheaper from overseas as long as the AUD is above ~0.75 USD. It's currently over 1.00 USD.

    The last person who suggested they reduce prices to be competitive was beaten to death by the Duopoly of Coles/Myer and Woolsworth. Then the corpse was kicked by Gerry Harvey (who seems to enjoy beating dead horses).

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  7. Re:Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Ac by Wattos · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    One unnamed Queensland shopping centre is next month due to become the first in the nation to fit receivers that detect unique mobile phone radio frequency codes to pinpoint location within two metres.

    how do they know the radio frequency codes without actually reading the signal? Communication in this sense means the phone signal, not the actual talking on the phone. It doesnt matter whether you are actually talking on the phone.

  8. Smokescreen by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

    None of this technical mumbo-jumbo is going on. The gov is hiring 'roos to track shoppers to lure them to secluded spots where the drop bears can mug them. And they haven't even gotten around to placing the eucalyptus tree bombs yet. Don't even mention the Commando Platypus Squads... shudder.

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  9. Re:Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Ac by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 2
    As far as I can tell, their system tracks using radio signals, and intercepting radio signals is specifically excluded from this provision. From the Act:

    "telecommunications network" means a system, or series of systems, for carrying communications by means of guided or unguided electromagnetic energy or both, but does not include a system, or series of systems, for carrying communications solely by means of radiocommunication."

    (my emphasis)

    Source: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/taaa1979410/s5.html#telecommunications_network

  10. Re:Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Ac by devent · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's why /.'s rating system is for the ass. Why his score is 1 and not +5?
    Anyway, even if you do not read the signals from the phone, it is intercepting anyway. You have to receive the signals from the phone somehow to get the position, so it is intercepting. There is also a definition of all terms used.

    "communication" includes conversation and a message, and any part of a conversation or message, whether:
                                              (a) in the form of: (i) speech, music or other sounds;(ii) data;(iii) text;(iv) visual images, whether or not animated; or (v) signals; or (b) in any other form or in any combination of forms.

    So just a signal is a communication passing over a telecommunications system as defined by law. It is not necessary that the signal is decoded.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/taaa1979410/s7.html

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  11. Re:T3000 by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

    I'll put money on it being chermside - they are installing the electronic car gates and charging for parking over the coming months. They are going to want to measure exactly the changes in shopper behaviour as they increase the parking costs so they can see how far they can charge before people baulk.