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IRS Auditing Google

theodp writes "Bloomberg reports that the IRS is auditing how Google shifted profits offshore to avoid taxes. According to Bloomberg, Google cuts its tax bill by about $1 billion a year using a technique that allocates profits to a unit managed out of a law firm in Bermuda, where there is no corporate income tax. In 2009, the most recent year for which records are available, this subsidiary collected 4.34 billion euros (about $6.1 billion) in royalties from a Google unit in the Netherlands. A spokesman for Google, whose stated mission is 'to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful,' called the IRS probe 'a routine inquiry' and declined to comment further."

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  1. oops by shentino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmm, this is well known for a long time, and only NOW the IRS is getting around to auditing them?

    I think Google just pissed off the wrong politician somehow.

    Methinks their goody two shoes nature finally rubbed some corporation the wrong way.

    1. Re:oops by bryan1945 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't a whole bunch of corporations do this? Maybe not to avoid all taxes, but I thought there were tax incentives/breaks for companies to have a global footprint. (Like they pay all the taxes here anyway, with all the breaks they get already.) I, along with my classmates, found it amusing that for our MBA financial class test questions that the corporate tax rate was ALWAYS a set 35%. Then the following class we would do a case study that showed how XYZ corporation actually paid only 7% tax.

      Cognitive dissonance at $45K a year!

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    2. Re:oops by VolciMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I want to know is how lowering corporate tax helps anyone at all when such a huge percentage of corporations pay 0%.

      If you lower it and remove all "loopholes" and exclusions, then everybody pays it. It's pretty simple, really.

    3. Re:oops by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I want to know is how lowering corporate tax helps anyone at all when such a huge percentage of corporations pay 0%.

      If the tax were lower many companies would find it cheaper/more convenient to pay the tax rather than go the the trouble to avoid it.

      So, why not lower the tax? Oh, I know - we don't want to give those "evil corporations" a break!

      If "a huge percentage of corporations pay 0%", then lowering the rate can do no harm, right?

      Things are so much harder when economic reality doesn't match political fantasy.

      The irony is that folks of the political persuasion that want to "tax the rich" more and make corporations "pay their fair share" take every tax break and loophole available too.

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    4. Re:oops by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Things are so much harder when economic reality doesn't match political fantasy.

      That statement works both ways ... just because in someone's political fantasy of the world corporate tax cuts make all of our lives better, doesn't make it true either. the Libertarian view of economics to me is somewhat detached from economic reality, but it is an economic theory that presupposes conditions which don't actually exist.

      So far other than some hand waving with a "then a miracle occurs", I have never been convinced that these tax cuts ever actually generated the claimed outcomes. In fact, from what I've seen, it generates the exact opposite outcomes.

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    5. Re:oops by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...back taxes with outrageous interest and penalties?

      Unless they committed a crime, the penalty is interest, just like with individuals. The interest rate is reasonable (currently 4% for individuals and corporations). On top of that, the IRS pays you interest (again 4%) if you overpay. I know it's popular in some circles to paint government as the ultimate evil in all things, but people will take you more seriously if you start with facts.

  2. Like Their Lawyers Would Let Something Slip by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's probably got nothing to worry about. They've been doing this for a while. So has Microsoft. And Facebook. And probably most other large companies. Most of this falls under something called transfer pricing. Which is a global problem that you will find anywhere from China to Britain to Argentina.

    It's not quite right for this article to make it sound like a solely Google problem. It's far far larger than that. In the end, Google's got enough of the highest paid lawyers and accountants that this audit should turn up just about nothing.

    Hmmm, maybe I'll just transfer all my profits to Bermuda ... oh, right, I'm poor. We pay taxes. Corporations and people rich enough to afford shifty accountants don't. And, really, what motivation do my representatives have to change this situation? Their soft money doesn't come from me and my fellow citizens are too stupid, too easily misled and too illiterate to vote someone who would change this into office.

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  3. Re:Loopholes by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that that isn't quite correct: members of congress tend to be of substantially above-average wealth; but not nearly so much that they would have personal need for the same accounting tricks used to hide the incomes of major multinationals.

    Now, of course, the major multinationals who serve as important campaign donors and likely future employers, funders of think-tanks, etc. for them do have need of the accounting tricks used to hide the incomes of major multinationals, so the effect is largely the same.

  4. Re:Loopholes by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not so much the congress-denizens themselves, but the people who contribute to their campaigns and employ their constituents. If you're a senator, and you propose closing a tax loophole, you're likely to get a visit from a lobbyist saying 'my client has a factory in your state that employs 200 people. Without that loophole, we'd have to relocate the jobs to {this week's offshoring nation of choice}'. Senator votes for it, and the next election his opponent runs a campaign about how he cost the state 200 jobs in a single vote. More likely, the senator backs down and tries to find a loophole that none of the companies in his state are using. Unfortunately, when he does, he finds senators from other states experiencing the same pressure and the proposal never makes it out of committee.

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  5. Re:some in Congress want this to be even easier... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The last time the US Congress did that, companies just re-purchased their own stock with the money they brought in. In other words, the only people who benefited from that stimulus were the top executives. The rest of us saw a 3 Dollar uptick in the stock price, and thought ourselves lucky we could get a dinner at a nice place through selling the stock.

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