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Linux Mint Will Adopt Gnome 3
sfcrazy points to news, posted in the current blog post about Linux mint statistics, that the Linux Mint team "has thus decided that in the next version of Linux Mint 12, they will continue to support Gnome 2, but will also introduce Gnome 3." Related news from an anonymous reader:"Contributors in the GNOME community have started a GNOME desktop user survey. The GNOME Foundation wouldn't endorse any survey, but the community has put together a 23-question desktop survey. Regardless if you use GNOME, they encourage all Linux users to participate."
They might want all users to take the survey, but there is really no reason to unless you use GNOME. A good portion of the questions are basically 'How does GNOME work for you.'
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
I understand Mint has a rather loyal (and loud) user base. I gave it a try, but wasn't very impressed. My experience was pretty much a buggier, less supported version of ubuntu. Mint seems to be tailored for a very specific environment and group of users, and falls apart quickly if you go off the rails just a little.
I would not be surprised if it's popularity picks up, however, because there are lot of users that don't like unity. I don't like unity either, but I like a lot of the other subtle-yet-important tweaks and tools Ubuntu delivers that makes using linux a whole lot less painful. Ubuntu is the only distro I've ever used that makes setting up vpn and wireless internet connections remotely easy.
That said, I've been using ubuntu with xfce4 (nope, not xubuntu) instead of the unity wm. Crisp, clean, fast, simplicity with all the powerful apps a click away if I want them.
I spent my computer time on the weekend away from the current 'normal' Xfce desktop and tried out Gnome 3 and Unity in a more serious. way. I found I could actually live with either of them. I've said before that the big missing feature is configurability, but they're both much better than before, and have the majority of panel widgets that I like. It ended up that I prefer how Gnome 3 works, and it's responsiveness. The big thing missing from it is the integration with mail and chat that Unity has, specifically for Thunderbird and Pidgin. Gnome 3 has no mail notification on the panel that I could find, which is an important feature. It seems to be a little to tightly tied to Evolution. I discovered that I could live with Unity, although it's quite difficult to configure window themes, etc (as opposed to panel themes). I'll figure it out, it's just that that wasn't my primary goal. I do find its actual keyboard response quite slow, and I'll probably remove the integration with the global menu. I'll probably try sticking with it another month or so at least. I think both Unity and Gnome 3 are both quite usable, and deserve a more serious look ... and this coming from someone who switched to Xfce.
Is Arch Linux. After using Ubuntu for a long time they have really forced me to leave with their decision to force a Fisher Price desktop on me.
Why does every distro but Debian have this weird hangup where the GUI cannot be decoupled from the OS?
Or rephrased, why does Debian apparently find it easy to do, whereas the big corporate OSes just can't handle it?
(I use Debian w/ xfce and on a netbook with a dead mouse pad, ratpoison)
Does anyone expect this trend to accelerate, perhaps the next Ubuntu will only ship with emacs and if you want to edit with vi, well then you'll just have to install Arch which will only have vi and no emacs? Maybe this game will become popular with languages and if you want Python you'll only be able to select from certain distros?
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Don't you mean the remaining 75 million? Linux growth continues. There's been no decline in users adopting it, only solid increases. 75-100 million users is a significant market. Stop being a troll and get back into your mom's basement (or rather back under your bridge).
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
are you implying that the previous versions of either WEREN'T bloat? Back when processing power was the main bottleneck in most desktops, KDE and GNOME made the system so slow and over-incumbered that it was just like using Windows, which for me defeated the purpose. Now obviously, times have changed, and speed isn't one of the driving forces behind moving to a linux system, but the GUIs are still too huge. Give me a window manager that boots in about 2 seconds flat (WindowMaker or ICE) any day.
It's only a matter of time but eventually Gnome 2 won't work anymore with new versions of libraries and Xservers. The only chance it has is somebody forking it and maintaining it but it's going to be a boring project, something you do only if they pay you. I say so even if I'd like to keep this Gnome 2 desktop I'm using right now unchanged for at least the next 10 years.
I don't understand people who bash Linux. I am not talking about trolls like OP, but there are people who are serious about hating Linux.
Why would one want to demotivate people who work on an "indie" OS? Would he/she also bash amateur music bands for making "indie" music and not working for a major record label? What kind of person are such people?
Coding etudes
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right click disappeared. But PCs are not macs, and HAVE a f*** second button !!!
no menu mean no way to find an application unless you remember the name !!
Gnome 3 is bullshit
Unity is worse
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You'd think it'd be different around here, but it's not.
I can't speak to how well Gnome 3 works on typical large-screen multi-monitor setup, but my home laptop with a 14" screen, it works exactly the way I've always wished Gnome would. It's well put together, well designed and while there aren't a lot of native config tools for it yet (3.2 aside--haven't tried it), I'm sure that's all in the works (and if it's not, people/distros will create them).
the idea of Mint's polish on top of Gnome 3 sounds just about perfect to me--exactly the desktop I'd like to use.
Why would one want to demotivate people who work on an "indie" OS? Would he/she also bash amateur music bands for making "indie" music and not working for a major record label? What kind of person are such people?
You must be new on the Internet.
Am I the only developer using a very large desktop area? I must be because both Mac, Windows, Unity and Gnome 3.0 SUCK DONKEYBALLS when all you need from your desktop is a very large space to put windows on. KDE is the worsed. MS tried the Active Desktop thing before and it only makes sense for people that see the desktop. I don't, there are windows in front of it on which I am doing my work. I HATE files on the desktop because I first need remove windows to access it. At most I use it because it is an easy place to find in most file managers.
As an experienced users, focus follows mouse is also a must. I very often switch input between windows/apps and that means every click to focus I don't have to do saves a lot of time and agro. It is so bad that on windows I routinely have input go to wrong window simply because I am so used to not having to click a window or WORSE part of a window to have THAT part of my screen receive input.Why should I ever want to move the mouse away from a window and still have the input go to that window?
The OSX unified menu is not just a killer of focus follows mouse (the menu would change as your mouse passes other windows on the way to menu) on a large desktop it means the menu can be a long way away from the window. This would matter less if you didn't need to first click the window to give it focus and then go back to the menu to use the menu... I do notice that most hardcore mac users are users of special packages that have an insane amount of short cuts on their input devices. But us mere mortals have to deal with apps that are far less optimized.
Unity loves to put the menu on the far left... so if your main monitor happens to be on the right... happy mouse travelling!
Gnome 3.0... actually, I am not sure what the hell it is trying to do. Crash a lot? Make years of development of utilities a waste as nothing works anymore? Create a desktop with absolutely ZERO options for configuration?
I know what the flaw is with the recent KDE, Gnome 3.0 and Unity developments. The linux year of the desktop never happened (despite the fact that it has been years my employers even had to consider whether to allow me to use Linux as my development desktop) and they saw how iOS and even Android suddenly got people to use non-MS Windows... and they think that this audience will make them the millions they been dreaming off in secret.
Hell, even MS is doing with Windows 8. Surely it is the standard desktop that is the block to selling more? It even makes some sense. The more supposedly "noob" friendly the app, the more it deviates from the old windows (and I mean here the style slowly evolved from the xerox design, not MS specific). Check your latest brand name computer and its crapware. Wanna bet the config utitlities and virus software looks "slick" with non-standard buttons and such?
Do "users" really like it? I don't. But I am a developer so I don't matter.
So, when asked once again to rescue a windows machine for people who are perfectly good friends but not the brightest people in the world, I installed Ubuntu instead once Flash updates had made certain that it was good enough for people who only use the web, play music, download and chat.
Surely these people, a few who have a below average IQ (this is not me being elitist, one of them has been tested as being around 85 ) would never be able to work with Linux?
Well, they did and not only did they manage but do you remember the nerd rage when Ubuntu switched the window buttons? None of them even cared, most hadn't even noticed. All I really had to do to instruct them was how to accept updates.
Yes, that was silly because when Unity hit, that was the end of the experiment. Unity was NOT understandable and Gnome 3.0 was no better. It was a disaster far worse then ANY MS update EVER. It broke about a dozen installs and I had no easy way to recover. And while these people had no problem switching from Windows to Ubuntu they NEED their Facebook and so i just reinstalled windows and r
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
No I'm not counting Android. Android has 550,000 activations a day. In one year that's roughly 200 million. Ubuntu alone has around 25 million users, not including servers. Redhat has nearly that amount if not more. Again, he's a troll. Kick him back to Mordor.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
Most of it stems from people's prejudices. When they should be fighing against criminal activities by government and corporations they fall back into the weaker area of their lives and attack anything different. Some of it stems from their desire to not learn something new. They spent years learning simple things over and over, that to learn something that requires a modicum of thought horrifies them. Some make a living off what they learned, and they just don't want to go back and relearn, they are the sorts that have given up on all things exept what they know well and like, anything different is to be hated. They don't have to know anything about it, it is just that they get to voice it without restraint and that makes them feel good emotionally. They feel this is something they can make a difference in, be an activitist from their basement caves, so to speak. They can't see themselves doing much more than playing games where they get to abuse their cohorts and they try to extend that to a more real aspect of their lives, the web in general. Linux is just big enough to be a real target for them, the unwilling unthinkers.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
better to "bash" linux that to "dash" linux or "sh" linux, or worse: "ash" linux
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