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Linux Mint Will Adopt Gnome 3

sfcrazy points to news, posted in the current blog post about Linux mint statistics, that the Linux Mint team "has thus decided that in the next version of Linux Mint 12, they will continue to support Gnome 2, but will also introduce Gnome 3." Related news from an anonymous reader:"Contributors in the GNOME community have started a GNOME desktop user survey. The GNOME Foundation wouldn't endorse any survey, but the community has put together a 23-question desktop survey. Regardless if you use GNOME, they encourage all Linux users to participate."

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  1. GNOME Survey by 0racle · · Score: 3, Informative

    They might want all users to take the survey, but there is really no reason to unless you use GNOME. A good portion of the questions are basically 'How does GNOME work for you.'

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    1. Re:GNOME Survey by Trix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately by only asking feedback from self-selected users, they'll only get feedback that reinforces what they've already decided.

      That's why more people that aren't necessarily happy with GNOME need to take the survey. I've used GNOME since the 1.0 days, but GNOME3 was enough to make me install XFCE4 -- and I'm considering dropping the whole Desktop Environment thing altogether and going back to fvwm (or something similar)

      Maybe I'm just old, but I think the current direction of development has lost sight of the reason XWindows was created in the first place. The client and server shouldn't have to be on the same host. The User should be able to customize their own environment in whatever way makes it easier for them to work.

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    2. Re:GNOME Survey by think_nix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I really hope the input from the phoronix survey gets forwarded to the GNOME devs. Especially the comment field. I am also excited to see the results as a whole. How many are really still holding onto their 2.x installs like myself? Using GNOME for about 10 years now and am looking for a decent replacement for 2.32 (or until gentoo gets rid of 2.x)

      I don't want to put all the GNOME devs in one basket but after what they pulled with the 3 release , I refuse to use it. It just appears they they keep getting more and more out of touch. After reading things like thisand for laughs this one too.

    3. Re:GNOME Survey by HermMunster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gnome 3 is as much the stupidification of the Linux desktop as Metro is to Win8. It always happens when you let the developers make decisions rather than letting consumers have the choice.

      What they need is gnome 3 with the gnome 2 interface.

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    4. Re:GNOME Survey by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, in Win8 you can just clickthrough to the full, standard windows desktop, so at least they haven't removed the option. Gnome seems to eagerly remove options.

    5. Re:GNOME Survey by Kagetsuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was of the exact opinion as you until a day ago. Since I upgraded to to Ubuntu 11.10 I got stuck with GNOME3 (sorry, I still hate Unity) and I had a variety of issues - but many I found could be resolved in very interesting ways. Lack of a lower task-bar for example, you can use tint2 or a dock like Avant Window Manager - and the bar that comes out when you hit the bottom right of the screen already has plug-ins and modifications to make it work like a taskbar. Multi-monitor behavior bugged me as well until I learned you can change it, but I actually got hooked on the default behavior. In general my hands leave the keyboard much less now as well - alt-tab switching with that drop down selector is very intuitive and the search/launch is much nicer and more idiot proof than alt-f2 or continually opening terminals. Then today I was giving a demo to some prospective customers (dirty mac users!) and they pointed out how nice they thought it was.

      I really really understand the feeling of loss and confusion over GNOME3 vs 2, I do miss my old desktop - but with just a few customization options (that look like they will come in future releases) I think I'll stick it out and enjoy the new.

      By the way, rough calculation we've been using GNOME now for something like 12 years. Really up until now the biggest change was moving to the upper and lower bar by default (which I love(d)), that and ditching the stone texture on the icons...

    6. Re:GNOME Survey by fwarren · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In general my hands leave the keyboard much less now as well - alt-tab switching with that drop down selector is very intuitive and the search/launch is much nicer and more idiot proof than alt-f2 or continually opening terminals.

      The irony of all of this is back in the day, many linux folks who were users of Fluxbox, Openbox, Blackbox, Afterstep, E16, etc said that they were more productive with their desktops because of all of their custom short-cut keys. Users of KDE and Gnome scoffed at this and said that icons, menus and mice were the way to go. 10 years later and the users of Unity and the Gnome 3 Shell tell us how productive their environments are. Both of these environments are optimized for "touch" and small display size. With larger screen monitors they fall far short of the "mouse friendliness" that Gnome 2 possesses. How do they make up for this? By boosting their productivity with shortcut keys.

      Yes, that would be the very same type of shortcut keys we were told were not needed and users would not adapt to using. Welcome back to 1999 computing 2011 style. A keyboard driven interface that needs 2 gigs of ram and an i5 processor with a 256mb nvidia graphcis card.

      Of course as I say that I go back to work on my Fluxbox driven workstation. Using the same short-cut keys I defined 10 years ago and continue to take with me by moving my .keys file to every new computer I get. Maybe they will discover dock apps next.

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  2. The Answer to Ubuntu/Unity and Mint/Gnome 3 by cyberkahn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is Arch Linux. After using Ubuntu for a long time they have really forced me to leave with their decision to force a Fisher Price desktop on me.

    1. Re:The Answer to Ubuntu/Unity and Mint/Gnome 3 by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see what the choice of desktop environment has to do with picking a distro.

      A distro will pick its official desktop and all the programs will be better integrated with that particular desktop. The only real negative that I experienced is some distro (eg. Ubuntu) do a poor job with their packaging of alternative desktops and lead to runtime errors that aren't being experienced by folks who use a distro that supports it better.

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  3. Decouple GUI from OS by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why does every distro but Debian have this weird hangup where the GUI cannot be decoupled from the OS?
    Or rephrased, why does Debian apparently find it easy to do, whereas the big corporate OSes just can't handle it?

    (I use Debian w/ xfce and on a netbook with a dead mouse pad, ratpoison)

    Does anyone expect this trend to accelerate, perhaps the next Ubuntu will only ship with emacs and if you want to edit with vi, well then you'll just have to install Arch which will only have vi and no emacs? Maybe this game will become popular with languages and if you want Python you'll only be able to select from certain distros?

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  4. Re:Ha ha haa... Linux. by HermMunster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't you mean the remaining 75 million? Linux growth continues. There's been no decline in users adopting it, only solid increases. 75-100 million users is a significant market. Stop being a troll and get back into your mom's basement (or rather back under your bridge).

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  5. Re:Desktops by Anomalyst · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reminds me of RiscOS

    Is that the one where you attack Kamchatka from Irkutsk to get a directory listing?

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  6. Re:Ha ha haa... Linux. by RCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand people who bash Linux. I am not talking about trolls like OP, but there are people who are serious about hating Linux.

    Why would one want to demotivate people who work on an "indie" OS? Would he/she also bash amateur music bands for making "indie" music and not working for a major record label? What kind of person are such people?

  7. +1 by stooo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    +1
    right click disappeared. But PCs are not macs, and HAVE a f*** second button !!!
    no menu mean no way to find an application unless you remember the name !!
    Gnome 3 is bullshit
    Unity is worse

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  8. Re:Mint- How many slashdotters out here use it? by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use Mint KDE because GNOME is

    • Chasing a userbase that doesn't exist (computer illiterates not on Windows), thereby making actual users suffer
    • Infecting itself with a disease called Mono

    I like Mint. It's easy to install and I can do what I want to the desktop. As long as there is a KDE version of Mint I'll keep using it. If there isn't, I'll go looking for another distro where KDE is used (it won't be Kubuntu).

    I used to be a GNOME user back in my RedHat/Gentoo days, along With E.16. E.17 is teh seksi, but I haven't tried it yet.

  9. Re:Oh noes! They changed Facebook...er Gnome! by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The hatred for all things new in the FLOSS community never ceases to surprise me.

    We don't hate it because it's new, we hate it because it's crap.

  10. I can't be the only one can I? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only developer using a very large desktop area? I must be because both Mac, Windows, Unity and Gnome 3.0 SUCK DONKEYBALLS when all you need from your desktop is a very large space to put windows on. KDE is the worsed. MS tried the Active Desktop thing before and it only makes sense for people that see the desktop. I don't, there are windows in front of it on which I am doing my work. I HATE files on the desktop because I first need remove windows to access it. At most I use it because it is an easy place to find in most file managers.

    As an experienced users, focus follows mouse is also a must. I very often switch input between windows/apps and that means every click to focus I don't have to do saves a lot of time and agro. It is so bad that on windows I routinely have input go to wrong window simply because I am so used to not having to click a window or WORSE part of a window to have THAT part of my screen receive input.Why should I ever want to move the mouse away from a window and still have the input go to that window?

    The OSX unified menu is not just a killer of focus follows mouse (the menu would change as your mouse passes other windows on the way to menu) on a large desktop it means the menu can be a long way away from the window. This would matter less if you didn't need to first click the window to give it focus and then go back to the menu to use the menu... I do notice that most hardcore mac users are users of special packages that have an insane amount of short cuts on their input devices. But us mere mortals have to deal with apps that are far less optimized.

    Unity loves to put the menu on the far left... so if your main monitor happens to be on the right... happy mouse travelling!

    Gnome 3.0... actually, I am not sure what the hell it is trying to do. Crash a lot? Make years of development of utilities a waste as nothing works anymore? Create a desktop with absolutely ZERO options for configuration?

    I know what the flaw is with the recent KDE, Gnome 3.0 and Unity developments. The linux year of the desktop never happened (despite the fact that it has been years my employers even had to consider whether to allow me to use Linux as my development desktop) and they saw how iOS and even Android suddenly got people to use non-MS Windows... and they think that this audience will make them the millions they been dreaming off in secret.

    Hell, even MS is doing with Windows 8. Surely it is the standard desktop that is the block to selling more? It even makes some sense. The more supposedly "noob" friendly the app, the more it deviates from the old windows (and I mean here the style slowly evolved from the xerox design, not MS specific). Check your latest brand name computer and its crapware. Wanna bet the config utitlities and virus software looks "slick" with non-standard buttons and such?

    Do "users" really like it? I don't. But I am a developer so I don't matter.

    So, when asked once again to rescue a windows machine for people who are perfectly good friends but not the brightest people in the world, I installed Ubuntu instead once Flash updates had made certain that it was good enough for people who only use the web, play music, download and chat.

    Surely these people, a few who have a below average IQ (this is not me being elitist, one of them has been tested as being around 85 ) would never be able to work with Linux?

    Well, they did and not only did they manage but do you remember the nerd rage when Ubuntu switched the window buttons? None of them even cared, most hadn't even noticed. All I really had to do to instruct them was how to accept updates.

    Yes, that was silly because when Unity hit, that was the end of the experiment. Unity was NOT understandable and Gnome 3.0 was no better. It was a disaster far worse then ANY MS update EVER. It broke about a dozen installs and I had no easy way to recover. And while these people had no problem switching from Windows to Ubuntu they NEED their Facebook and so i just reinstalled windows and r

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