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TSA Doing Random Truck Searches On Tennessee Highway

OverTheGeicoE writes "TSA is expanding its presence to the American road system. As part of its Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) program, TSA agents are now working at 5 weigh stations and two bus stations in Tennessee. They are randomly checking trucks with 'drug and bomb sniffing dogs', and encouraging truck drivers to join their First Observer Highway Security Program and report anything suspicious that they see to authorities. VIPR is allegedly not a response to any particular threat."

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  1. What happened to the constitution? by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Freedom to travel not something we have anymore?
    Should I be carrying my papers?

    At what point do we tell these assholes to fuck off? This is one government department that needs to be shutdown.

    1. Re:What happened to the constitution? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah.... I play a different game with those fuckers.

      Agent: What citizenship are you?
      Me: The one on my drivers license.
      Agent: Where you coming from?
      Me: Where I have been.
      Agent: Where do you live?
      me: Where I came from.
      Agent: Didnt you just come from El Centro?
      me: I don't know.
      Agent: El Centro is where you just came from.
      Me: Then why did you ask?
      Agent: How long you staying where you going?
      me: I don't know yet.
      Agent: How could you not know?
      Me: It depends.
      Agent: On what?
      Me: On what happens when I get there
      Agent: You have anything in the trunk I should know about?
      Me: I have no idea.
      Agent: You don't know what is in your trunk?
      Me: No, I know what is in my trunk more or less.
      Agent: Then is there anything I should know about?
      Me: I don't know who you are or what your job description *is* so that is impossible to answer.

      This goes on till one of two things happen. A tazer or they just get frustrated and let me go.

    2. Re:What happened to the constitution? by evanism · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm saying this nicely, as a person from another country, yes, you are signing up for it, because you do nothing.

      Blind Freddy can see you are in a police state, and it's getting worse by the day. The fate of the USA is inevitable.

      So, what are YOU going to do about it?

      Interesting isn't it.

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    3. Re:What happened to the constitution? by Omestes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...which was why the weigh station system was built.

      This is not true. States have weight limits. Mostly based on the amount of tonnage allowable per axle. They have these for safety, and road maintenance. Smuggling has nothing to do with it, as a weigh station would be useless for finding it, unless your smuggling tons of material. How would a weigh station even detect smuggling? A lot of times trucks aren't weighed upon leaving the terminal, unless it is to measure compliance with local laws about load weight. And truck weight is highly variable too. So if a truck left the depot weighing X (there is no requirement as far as I know to report this to the state, if this measurement is even taken), and ends up at a station weighing X+1, that weight could even fuel, oil, the trucker purchasing souvenirs, a hitchhiker, a passenger, mud stuck to the chassis, etc...

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  2. Why bother with a 4th amendment at all by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the inconvenience of airport travel, coming soon to a town near you. Oh they will start with the truckers but whoever said the slippery slope is not real: watch. Dear God America, you tell the world about how you are the champion of democracy and freedom and then you go an pull shit like this. And you wonder why no one believes you?

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    1. Re:Why bother with a 4th amendment at all by mpthompson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By "about half the country feeling directly opposite of us" I have to assume you are talking about the more conservative part of the country. I guess I need to remind you that this program is being put in place and run by the liberals. The fact is, neither end of the political spectrum lack people willing to stomp on the rights of their countrymen to advance their political agendas and consolidate power. Until we get over the "left vs right" paradigm and focus on a "right vs wrong" paradigm this kind of crap will prevail no matter which party is in power.

  3. It is a response to a very specific threat. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    VIPR is allegedly not a response to any particular threat

    The threat is very clear - budget cuts. With Osama gone, Al Qaeda a thin shadow of its former self (which was really never much to begin with) and no significant acts of terrorism for the last 10 years, the TSA and the DHS are in jeopardy of being pared back to a size much more appropriate to the risk -- i.e. practically nothing.

    If they don't remind us to be scared, who will?

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  4. Occupied Country by bobcat7677 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the "occupy wall st" people added dissolution of the TSA to their agenda, I might join them at this point...

  5. Re:Wow. by mug+funky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that analogy is irrelevant. one was a response to something we KNOW was going to happen BEFORE it happened (or rather didn't, due to the dilligent work of those that sought to prevent it), the other was a knee-jerk response to something that should have been spotted before it happened, but wasn't.

    you can't say attacks have been prevented by the TSA's ball groping, and naked-scanning-irradiating-machines without some form of proof. considering the massive scale of abuses the TSA is committing, it'd better be solid proof of thousands of attacks directly foiled by ball-groping, otherwise it simply is not worth the sacrifice in freedom.

  6. "I heard... by martas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that he didn't stand up when they were drinking to Stalin's health." Citizens being urged to report "anything suspicious," leaves a good taste in your mouth, doesn't it?

  7. If you can't beat'em, pretend to be relevant by FyberOptic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My father drove trucks here for years through Tennessee, and I don't even need to ask him whether he thinks this is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer dollars. Every minute they waste off the road is money from their pockets. Especially when in many cases you leave the truck running during all of this bullshit in order to pull it to the various road markers for different pointless checks.

    They will likely never find a single truck carrying anything of federal importance. All they'll do is use it for catching things which the THP or other federal agencies should already be handling, like catching drugs, and add one more level of red tape to the honest hard-working people.

  8. Job program. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are only so many TSA people you can fit inside an airport.

    Let's hire MORE and put them to work ... checking TRUCKS! And buses, yeah! Because that's where the terrorists will strike next.

    In the year 2035, 51% of the population will be employed by the DHS/TSA to watch/search the other 49%.

    1. Re:Job program. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An Israeli security expert, maybe Rafi Sela, said it's a mistake to put threat assessment and security implementation in the same organization. Do that, and it starts inventing reasons why it should grow.

  9. Re:Wow. by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One step closer to police state IMO.

    I hope our freedom was worth it.

  10. Likelihood by Meneth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Where is a terrorist more apt to be found? Not these days on an airplane more likely on the interstate," said Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons.

    I wonder, has the TSA ever found a real terrorist? Except from their employees, that is. :)

  11. Uncontrolled search and seizure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government. Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart.

    Justice Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials

  12. Re:Wow. by Mitchell314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm normally not one for slipper slope arguments, but this is a creep that is happening right before our eyes.

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  13. First they came for the airline passengers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and I was told I just shouldn't fly on airplanes.

    Then they came for the truck drivers in Tennessee...
    and I was told I just shouldn't drive trucks in Tennessee.

    Then...

  14. Re:Wow. by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they catch terrorists that proves they are working well. Which they didn't. So no proof of success there. They did however allow a half dozen to slip by and a few to detonate their bombs on the plane. So there's a priori proof of a 100% failure rate. And by the metric used to measure how successful a government agency is I would say the 100% failure rate for the TSA is an A+. I'll bet this abject failure is even rewarded with a budget increase.

  15. Re:Wow. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think he must have meant back in the 70s or so. There was a time period when there was a lot of hijacking, relatively speaking. Then there was almost none for a long time. Then there was 911 and everyone invented a lot of largely irrational security safeguards. If you secure the cockpit door, it becomes almost impossible to hijack a plane. The most you can do is blow one up, and that involves killing fewer people than you would kill if you blew up a bomb at a medium-sized high school sporting event.

    Which makes the TSA, mostly, a massive way of pumping money into the economy. I don't mind a few of those--it's good to keep people employed--but we should have them employed in a productive way, rather than one which makes the system less efficient. Put them on environmental projects, for example.

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