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Proposed Mercury Ban Threatens Vaccines

T Murphy writes "Although in the draft stages, a treaty being pushed by the United Nations Environment Programme has a blanket ban on mercury. While the ban would stop the use of mercury in paints or pesticides, it currently has no exemptions to allow for other small uses, such as in thermisol, which is used as a preservative in vaccines. The next meeting to discuss this treaty will be at the end of October."

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  1. Nothing to see here.... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does anyone really believe that the final draft would include a total ban, even for vaccines? I didn't think so. Sounds like more hype than fact, and an article for the sake of having an article on the part of the Chicago Tribune.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here.... by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Informative

      IAMNAC....A lot of autism cases have been traced to use of Mercury in vaccines during early childhood.

      No they haven't.

      Since Mercury was retired from Baby/Toddlers, cases have started to recede.

      No they haven't.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here.... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      A lot of autism cases have been traced to use of Mercury in vaccines during early childhood.

      So far, no credible study has ever shown a link between the vaccinations and autism.

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    3. Re:Nothing to see here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Kill this comment with fire.

      Those studies were refuted, the article in Lancet retracted, the author (Andrew Wakefield) thoroughly discredited, multiple stories in mainstream news were published to this effect, and yet the damage done by his "research" persists.

      fferreres, go look up a couple articles on Andrew Wakefield. That is the guy whose kool-aid you are drinking. Here's a tidbit from Wikipedia:

      "A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield's part, and most of his coauthors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations. The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues... a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found some three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children. The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research."

    4. Re:Nothing to see here.... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

      A lot of autism cases have been traced to use of Mercury in vaccines during early childhood.

      No, they haven't; in fact not a single case has been. One crank researcher being paid by anti-vaccine lawyers made that assertion in a fraudulent study of 12 self selected children who were already exhibiting signs of autism before the study started. Since then, every major piece of research has shown no link between vaccines of any kind and autism.

      Since Mercury was retired from Baby/Toddlers, cases have started to recede.

      Nope, autism rates have remained steady or increased when mercury was removed from vaccines. Children who don't receive vaccines are no more or less likely to develop autism than children that do. Children in places where mercury has been removed or vaccines discontinued have the same rates of autism as before.

      What makes you believe that mercury would[sic][I assume you mean 'should'?] be FORCIBLY injected in bloodstrems of our nation?

      Because it makes delivery of vaccines to rural areas possible, reduces the risk of infections caused by spoiled vaccines, and has been demonstrated to be safe.

      Mercury makes you more stupid, doesn't have any benefit, stays in the bloodstream for ever.

      As I said it makes preservation without refridgeration possible, making vaccines safer to ship and store, especially in rural areas (not as much of a problem in modern US granted). Atomic mercury does indeed cause brain damage and stays int he body long term, atomic mercury is not what is used in vaccines. The compound in vaccines is not retained by the way elemental mercury is, it has a halflife of 18 days (it's actually removed from the brain even faster than that) and it does not interact biologically the same way elemental mercury does. You may as well avoid salt since Sodium and Chlorine are both poisonous

      It's also been found that most people have more mercury in their blood than is normal, and today, many are even advising avoiding things like Tuna for this very same reason: the seas have more mercury floating, so fish that lives linger, accumulates more mercury. This is the reason many people look for Fish Oil supplements that have a process for removing most of the mercury, or look for produce from seas that don't (yet) suffer largerly from this problem.

      This is a global problem, caused by coal fired power plants and has little, if anything to do with the mercury in vaccines controversy beyond trying to establish the boogeyman. Actually, though, maybe this can help understanding. The amount of mercury in a typical vaccines, contains as much mercury as 50 grams of tuna. Even pregnant women and children can eat a can of tuna a couple times a week without being exposed to dangerous levels of mercury.

    5. Re:Nothing to see here.... by friedo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is not "hard to find" mercury-free vaccines. Thimerosal has not been used in vaccines in Western nations in decades (with one or two rare exceptions) because better preservatives have been found. It is used in vaccines bought by developing and impoverished nations, because it's cheaper. And it has been proven repeatedly to be safe.

    6. Re:Nothing to see here.... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not nontoxic because you put it in a vaccines, it's nontoxic because it's part of the molecule C9H9HgNaO2S.

    7. Re:Nothing to see here.... by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not nontoxic because you put it in a vaccines, it's nontoxic because it's part of the molecule C9H9HgNaO2S.

      C9H9HgNaO2S is toxic as hell. It's used in vaccines for the same reason we put highly toxic chlorine gas in our water supply; it is believed that humans can survive small doses much more readily than we can survive the bacteria these toxins kill.

      From wikipedia (where it is extensively documented):

      "Thiomersal [C9H9HgNaO2S] is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N). In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.

      Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown. Fecal excretion accounts for most of the elimination from the body. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-life of about 18 days in adults. Ethylmercury is eliminated from the brain in about 14 days in infant monkeys. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life, at least 120 days; though it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood."

      Really, the only reason to use mercury preservatives in vaccines is because retooling to use something else is expensive. There are far less controversial alternatives.

    8. Re:Nothing to see here.... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      How's the New England Journal of Medicine for you? http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp078187

      Reference 4 is a review article that covers the (imaginary) link between autism and thiomersal.

      The thiomersol-autism thing was entirely manufactured by a (former) physician in the UK who it was found violated ethical guidelines, falsified his results and had a vested interest in the outcome (he was involved with a company offering a vaccine alternative). The scientific evidence is clear - if you don't get your kids vaccinated you are needlessly endangering them. Along with everyone else.

      As for your tobacco reference, scientific studies did NOT find that tobacco was safe. Tobacco companies insisted it was, for years, but they did not have scientific evidence backing them up. In fact, the reason they had to defend themselves was because scientific studies were showing that tobacco is in fact dangerous.

      But hey, if you want to protect your kids from toxic elements you'd better check into the chlorine thing. We're CONSTANTLY ingesting chlorine! (Note: if you cut chlorine out of your kids' diet they'll die. Fairly quickly)

  2. I think you mean Thiomersal by Microlith · · Score: 1, Informative

    Last I read it was being phased out in favor of other preservatives that lacked mercury.

  3. The actual concerns by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mercury has been phased out of most vaccines. This was done in the late 1990s in response to concerns that the mercury was somehow causing autism in children. Note that this had no impact on autism rates so the anti-vaxxers then switched to talking about ambiguous toxins. Thiomersol is still used in some vaccines but it is only a small fraction of vaccines, such as some versions of the flu vaccine. If necessary that can be easily replaced. It would be stupid because the mercury levels are tiny but it wouldn't have much of an impact. I'm more concerned that this sort of blanket ban would inadvertently impact smaller uses where mercury is really necessary for specialized uses in other areas. The ban also doesn't seem to address the differences between organic and inorganic mercury which have wildly different chemical properties in practice.

  4. MOST Vaccines don't use Thimerosal by RapidEye · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've worked at a vaccines manufacturing site for a dozen years now and have helped produce hundreds of millions of doses of pediatric vaccines - I've never seen a milligram of thimerosal at our plant or any other in our supply chain. Most current technology manufacturing plants stopped using it decades ago and this really is only an issue for old facilities making old vaccines that they can't relicense using new technology.

    Technologies like single dose syringes and barrier/isolator filling lines have made preservatives largely unnecessary and even for those that still use them, there are better choices like EDTA.

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  5. How Is This Bad? by shambalagoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no safe amount of mercury exposure. It is a potent neurotoxin. This is a great treaty and I hope it succeeds. We're smart enough to find other ways of accomplishing what we need. Under pressure from autism-related claims, it was replaced by something safer in vaccines. Digital thermometers take temperature without using mercury. Fluorescent lights will soon be replaced with LEDs.

    There's a lot of crazy people in the world. Every little thing we can do to remove neurotoxins from the environment is a good step.

    Next: do the same thing with lead. I'm sick of seeing it in all my christmas light plastics.

  6. Re:There is a bright side by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, in older kids. The pertussis (whooping cough) component of childhood vaccines wears off after a while (and was never 100% to begin with). This, combined with increasing numbers of non immunized children and the fact that the CDC gets wound up about pertussis* makes outbreaks fairly common.

    Fun fact: the newer tetanus vaccines have pertussis vaccine in them so adults might quit being the reservoir of the disease. It tends to cause a much milder illness in adults so they don't get treated and it can be contagious for weeks.

    *Because it's treatable and highly contagious and fairly dangerous to infants.

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  7. Re:Mercury retention by Zed+Pobre · · Score: 5, Informative

    I do research in organic chemistry for living and a fellow organic chemist one time accidentally dropped a drop of Dimethyl mercury on her hand. It went through the gloves that she was wearing and onto her skin. Within several hours she was dead from what the doctors described in layman terms as "her brain melted".

    *sigh* If that's what you know about it, she wasn't a "fellow" organic chemist except that she once worked in the same field. Her name was Karen Wetterhahn, and she worked at Dartmouth College. She died almost a full year after the accident, and she didn't even recognize the symptoms for months. If she had reported the spill and gotten treatment earlier, she might not have died. It wasn't as if mercury poisoning was something nobody knew about.

    Her case was important because before her accident, latex gloves were considered sufficient protective gear (which is why she didn't think to report it and get tested). After she died, safety standards were changed to recommend much heavier-duty protective gear when possible, and she started showing up in cautionary lectures about safety (apparently with the facts being watered down into legend by the time they got to you).

    I don't know where you got the bit about "her brain melted", which it wouldn't have, though there was certainly a lot of neurological damage, and history notes that her coma was a particularly ugly one.