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Meet Siri's Little Brother, Trapit

waderoush writes "Virtually overnight, Siri, the personal assistant technology in Apple's new iPhone 4S, has brought state-of-the-art AI to the consumer mainstream. Well, it turns out there's more where that came from. Trapit, a second spinoff of SRI International's groundbreaking CALO project (Cognitive Assistant that Learns and Organizes), is preparing for a public beta launch this fall. The Web-based news aggregator lets users set up persistent 'traps' or filters on specific topics. Over time, the traps learn to include more articles that match users' interests and exclude those that don't. Philosophically, it's the exact opposite of social-curation news apps like Flipboard or Pulse, since it uses adaptive learning and sense-making technologies to learn what users like, not what their friends like. 'Just as Siri is revolutionizing the human-computer interaction on the mobile device, Trapit will revolutionize Web search as we know it today,' the company asserts."

183 comments

  1. Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Google has already done voice for a long time and did Iris in 8 hours shortly after Isis came out and you're running this article? You really are an internet whore! :)

    1. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Siri isn't just voice, it's voice hooked up to Cleverbot on the backend - truly revolutionary!

    2. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no Cleverbot, it is just a script that connects you to random users for 2 lines and changes to someone else.

    3. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri isn't voice recognition, so it's rather irrelevant whether Google has done voice for any length of time.

    4. Re:Are you efing serious? by bmo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's snarkier than Cleverbot.

      http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/

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    5. Re:Are you efing serious? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Google has had voice search for quite awhile now, and the rest of the functions are what would have happened if you hooked up a voice recognition program to a virtual assistant. Unless I'm really misunderstanding this is something I could get running on my Android phone easily.

      Given what I saw on http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/, it doesn't appear that it's particularly sophisticated either.

    6. Re:Are you efing serious? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      And I forgot, here's a relevant link, http://www.google.com/mobile/voice-actions/ I'm not seeing anything that Siri can do that Android can't do, with the possible exception of scheduling meetings.

    7. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Google has had voice search for quite awhile now, and the rest of the functions are what would have happened if you hooked up a voice recognition program to a virtual assistant. Unless I'm really misunderstanding this is something I could get running on my Android phone easily.

      So, in the classic "Apple didnt do this first" troll rush that I knew would be the first few comments when I read the summary, *why* has no one "hooked up a voice recognition program to a virtual assistant" before now and pushed it as a new big feature?

      The summary is accurate - before the 4S, this stuff was around in Android and other phones (hell, even the 3GS had voice control similar to what Android has, just without the ability to go much beyond the set phrases), but who was really talking about it? Now, it's a big thing and I guarantee that it will be touted as a big feature of every coming smartphone if the usefulness of the feature outlasts the novelty.

      Just like "Apple didn't make the first mp3 player" and "Apple didn't make the first tablet" and "Apple didn't make the first home computer" they also "didn't make the first voice recognition assistant", but they were first to put it front and centre and refine it into something that can be very useful.

    8. Re:Are you efing serious? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Vlingo, SpeakToIt, Edwin. ISIS.

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    9. Re:Are you efing serious? by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      user:What does Bokeh mean?
      cleverbot:Ha you don't know what a bot is. Heres a hint you are one.

      user:What the bloody hell is Bokeh?
      siri:I don't know what you mean with: "What the bloody hell is water?"

      At least siri can stay on topic misinterpreting you LoL!

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    10. Re:Are you efing serious? by index0 · · Score: 1

      Apple also was not the FIRST to have "cut and paste" functionality on iphones!! Appl

    11. Re:Are you efing serious? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, when you claim that something is revolutionary, you're claiming that they were in fact first. Just because you're a fan boy, doesn't mean that it's trolling to point out that Apple once again is getting to the party late and is trying to pretend like previous implementations don't exist.

      True to Apple's style, they're throwing a bunch of marketing money at people trying to convince them that Apple was first, when it's demonstrably not correct.

      On some level, I think you realize that it's not the case, you yourself admit that they just refined it into something useful. But, we already had useful implementations, I don't generally use them because voice recognition technology isn't really that useful in places where I want to use my phone. Sure at home I'm sure it works great, but when I'm out and about, I really don't want to be telling everybody around me what I'm doing.

    12. Re:Are you efing serious? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Forgive me if I was implying that Google was first here, I just happened to know that my phone has that functionality built in and has for some time.

    13. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Where are they claiming they're the first? There's no such claim on Apple's site about it - just lots of information about what it does. They're not claiming they were first, just that they have it as a major feature of the 4S. Show me in Apple's marketing where they are "trying to convince people they [were] first". They're not claiming that because they know that's not the case.

      This is going to be an iPad thing all over again. Not the first tablet, but the first successful one - but then, they never claimed to have the first tablet either, just the best one for the market at the time in their opinion.

      Also, when you claim something is revolutionary you don't necessarily have to be first - take semiconductors, for example. Bell labs certainly weren't the first to discover their properties or build working gates and junctions, but they did revolutionise the world with the transistor.

      Or the steam engine. No one in their right mind will tell you that Trevithick was the "first" to make a steam engine, but he was the first to revolutionise the idea by using high pressure steam.

      Revolution does not automatically imply "first", but it does imply a change in the way we view a technology. If Siri (which Apple did not invent or develop) spurs a surge of further development into voice recognition assistants that become widespread to the same sort of level as a PDA/Smartphone then that will have been a revolutionary step. Not because they invented it (who is claiming that?) but because they have packaged it in a way that makes it accessible and in a way that works, in the same way that Bell Labs did with the ideas behind the transistor.

    14. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 1

      Not because they invented it (who is claiming that?) but because they have packaged it in a way that makes it accessible and in a way that works, in the same way that Bell Labs did with the ideas behind the transistor.

      Except that it isn't the way they "packaged" it either. Siri-under-Apple is really not so different than Siri-before-Apple. What Apple has done is marketed it.

      You can probably claim that good marketing can cause a revolution by sparking popular interest in a thing and do it without strictly lying, but it's good to keep in mind that it isn't Apple's products or engineering causing that, it's their RDF.

    15. Re:Are you efing serious? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Give it a break, it's only an Apple product....

      (Confused Trekki) "Beam Me Up"
      (Siri) ................... "Please install the latest version of iCloud and try again"

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    16. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Ah, the old "RDF" argument again.

      Look, I will be the first to admit that there are a lot of vocal fans in the Apple community (just as there are in the Android community, although most of them seem to be more interested in judging what other people use), but not everything in Apple's success can be hand-waved away with "oh, it's just stupid sheeple falling for the RDF" - to do so is more a reflection on other people not learning what Apple *does* do right occasionally when creating and marketing a product. To simply dismiss its success out of hand as gullible people falling for glossy marketing is profoundly short sighted.

      Marketing only gets you so far. It's certainly an essential element of the equation, but for continued, increasing success you actually need to back it up with a good product.

      Not everything they do is "perfect" and there are certainly areas where some much-needed improvement exist (for just one example of several, on iOS there really needs to be a quick way to turn BT/Wifi on and off without going into the settings - I know this is trivial to do on Android and would be very useful), but overall they make products that work very well for the people who buy them.

      The RDF is a crutch used by people who will predict doom and gloom and no sales for an announced Apple product because it's missing feature X, or it's a walled garden, or because you can buy cheaper products that do more, only for that New Apple Product to sell very well, seemingly in contradiction to all their knowledge on what should happen. It shows a clear short sightedness to say "pff, well since that does not fit my expectations of the market, it's just gullible fools falling for marketing" instead of "well that was unexpected, what are they doing right?"

      That's not to say that Apple has it all worked out perfectly, but they are very good at judging the market on the whole.

    17. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 1

      Marketing only gets you so far. It's certainly an essential element of the equation, but for continued, increasing success you actually need to back it up with a good product.

      You're right about that -- it's not like they're pulling a Microsoft and putting a pound of sugar on a shit sandwich so that they can advertise how sweet it is. Apple makes good products. (And they had better for what they cost.)

      The thing is, other people make good products too. Sometimes better products. Apple is not special. There is nothing "revolutionary" about Siri either before Apple bought it or after. That doesn't make it useless or poorly executed, it just makes it overhyped.

    18. Re:Are you efing serious? by 517714 · · Score: 1

      It's not a flip phone!

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    19. Re:Are you efing serious? by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Google has already done voice for a long time and did Iris in 8 hours shortly after Isis came out and you're running this article? You really are an internet whore! :)

      Thanks for proving that Siri is actually smarter than the average Fandroid.

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    20. Re:Are you efing serious? by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 2

      And I forgot, here's a relevant link, http://www.google.com/mobile/voice-actions/ I'm not seeing anything that Siri can do that Android can't do, with the possible exception of scheduling meetings.

      Let's assume that Android can actually do everything Siri can - the question is what commands it can understand correctly.

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    21. Re:Are you efing serious? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Google has already done voice for a long time and did Iris in 8 hours shortly after Isis came out and you're running this article? You really are an internet whore! :)

      Me: Siri, filter Internet slashvertising
      Siri: I'm sorry, but I can't do that.
      Me: Siri, remove Internet whoring archives
      Siri: Did you mean find Internet whores?
      Me: No Siri, you piece of shit! I don't wan to see articles full of bullshit
      Siri: Did you mean you want to order manure from the Internet?
      Me: Fuck you, Siri!
      Siri: I'm sorry I don't know how to fuck you,
      Me: Of course you fucking don't you piece of shit
      Siri: Okay ordering manure from manure.com. How many tons
      Me: Arrrghhhh!
      Siri: Okay ordering 8 tons of manure from manure.com. Order placed.

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    22. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they weren't. I've been using Google's voice search every day for a long time. I can ask it to give me directions, take notes, write and send email/sms, dial phone numbers, run apps, search the web, add calendar events and now translate between many languages. Just because you Mac fanatics didn't consider it to be front and centre doesn't mean it hasn't been for us Android users.

    23. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      So... where was this front and centre feature promotion?

      In the years since Android has been out, "doing things better" than iOS, why has this not been mentioned? Instead it's all about how it's better because you can sideload apps.

      When I say "front and centre" I mean exactly that - Apple has made it the main selling point for the 4S, and as a result has everyone talking about it (witness, this article which doesn't really have anything to *do* with voice recognition, making a weak comparison with Siri in the summary to generate buzz).

      Android might be able to cure cancer, but unless people actually know about it, you can't really call it front and centre.

    24. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could look back 22 years and see the predictions - The "Four Multimedia Gospels", an article in Byte magazine.

      Nicholas Negroponte, the Media Lab's dynamic director, takes issue with people who predict that certain things are impossible for personal computers and technology to attain. "There will be a very fundamental change in what personal computers look like", he says. ...
      Negroponte also predicts that we will eventually see three-dimensional images in real time, and that low-cost graphics will explode in the next few years.

      MIPS and storage have become inconsequential because gigabits per second are speeds that people just can't comprehend. ...

      Computers will be responsive and will go massively parallel. The relevant question is, how do you use massively parallel machines? As computer chips get a bit more intelligent and start communicating with each other, people won't have to be computer literate. With the addition of speed and facial expressions, personal computers will offer a sensory-rich experience. Between now and the early 1990's, there will be speech; between the 1990's and the early 2000s, vision will come to our machines."

    25. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are clueless. Every single Android phone I have ever seen has the Google search widget with voice search button right on the home screen. You can't get any more "front and centre" than that.

    26. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      And the advertising? Front and centre means more than just having the feature on the home screen.

      I can see why you posted AC - you have no clue.

    27. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you ARE a fucking idiot. Nobody gives a shit about advertising except shills like you. Everybody who owns an Android phone knows about voice search. You've just got your mouth wrapped so tightly around Steve Jobs's festering cock that you refuse to see that.

      Now go dig a hole and die in it, faggot.

    28. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Goodness me you're angry and immature! A real ambassador for whatever it is you're promoting. I can see why Android folks would want you on their side.

      You are also missing the point by such a wide margin, which isn't surprising given your homophobic frothing and ranting, but I should probably try to spell it out in simple language that you will understand.

      This whole subthread is about the presence of the voice search on Android, hence the argument. No one is disputing that it's in there. However, it has the same level as promotion as the voice search that existed in iOS 3 and iOS4 on the 3GS and 4 before the release of the 4S - ie, not all that much. There was a little bit of marketing about it, but nothing major.

      Now, with the release of the 4S, Siri is one of the headline features of the phone in the marketing - that is why people are "suddenly" talking about it, and what we mean when we say Apple has placed it front and centre.

      If you'd stop thrashing about like a kid who had missed his Ritalin then you might be able to appreciate that subtle difference.

    29. Re:Are you efing serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cry moar.

    30. Re:Are you efing serious? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Heh. In other words the "I have lost this argument but lack the requisite intelligence to get out of it without looking like an idiot".

      Better luck next time, maybe you'll remember to log in.

  2. Trapit, Siri? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd much prefer the "SHUTIT" variant....

  3. wonder how long by arbiter1 · · Score: 0

    It will be before apple is suing to get this taken down? Since they seem to be suing anyone they can now days.

    1. Re:wonder how long by Elbart · · Score: 1

      Well, Apple got SiRI from SRI (eh!), so I doubt that.

    2. Re:wonder how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude, it's time to give up the meth. I fear it's your only hope if you want to be effective & coherent in your future trolling endeavors.

      Just look at your teeth in the mirror and you will know in your heart I'm right.

    3. Re:wonder how long by siddesu · · Score: 1

      You have nothing to worry until your research turns into a product that makes money for someone else than Apple. Then Jobs' ghost will stalk you every night until you stop stealing from him, or fall dead.

    4. Re:wonder how long by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I would say "never".

      Just a wild guess.

    5. Re:wonder how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Predictably modded down by the Jobbo-lovers, but this is the real danger. As evidence, the Limba/Beck/Fox homing beacon listeners. Try convincing them that people evolved, or that Obama isn't Muslim. They will never see the light, because everyone they listen to is in the dark.

      Plato. Cave. Apploids.

    6. Re:wonder how long by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 1

      destroying existence of pop

      Feature, not bug. Feature.

  4. Fairly Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not because it signifies the rise of the machines or anything (well, maybe, but that's not what I'm on about now), but because what it might do to your reading habits. If you only read things you agree with, you never get to see the other side of the coin, you don't get to argue for or against, you just live in your own comfy little pink safe world.

    So realise that if you want to sharpen your opinion such should include reading things you might not like at all, but do pertain to your interests. For example, I like privacy and freedom a lot, but if I want to keep abreast there I must necessarily read a lot about how companies and governments are systematically raping privacy and taking freedoms away "for my own good". Sometimes that's right painful reading. So "like" really doesn't cover it, as if the thing filters out everything I don't "like" I get behind the times right quick.

    On the other hand I'm singularly disinterested in sports except when it involves the national team and there's a large by-country tournament going on, and then only marginally but not knowing isn't worth the social exclusion. So it's nice if the thing could filter all the crud and certainly all the "sports analysis" crap out. There, too, "like" doesn't cover it and "interests" only marginally.

    Maybe we need a new term. But realising the trickyness inherent in (using) the technology is the important point.

    1. Re:Fairly Dangerous by BarfooTheSecond · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I couldn't agree more!
      The more this stuff would learn about you, the less you 'd have chances to learn new stuff that could interest you, to open your mind to other opinions and other ideas. It's kind of positive closed-loop that'll lock your mind and prevent you to evolve (well, fortunately the rest of the world will continue to interact with you by other means).

      I'd never permit a real person, even my mother who knows me well, to select what I should be interested in, so an archaic AI program, a bonehead maker? never!...

      Evolution needs stimulation, not confortation.

    2. Re:Fairly Dangerous by value_added · · Score: 0

      Not because it signifies the rise of the machines or anything (well, maybe, but that's not what I'm on about now), but because what it might do to your reading habits. If you only read things you agree with, you never get to see the other side of the coin, you don't get to argue for or against, you just live in your own comfy little pink safe world.

      I certainly don't fall into the category of reading only those things with which I agree. I'd even go so far as to say I typically don't read things I enjoy (unless you extend the meaning of "enjoy" to include something that's new, difficult or otherwise challenging).

      Nor do I subscribe to the "popularity model". Hardly a day goes by when I don't scratch my head to ask one of two questions, "Are people really interested in this rubbish?" and "If so, why are they bothering with this particular article or news story?"

      That said, I do, as an example, keep news.google.com open in my browser. Not because I rely on (even partially) for my "source" of news, but because I can keep abreast of what does interest others (a small, but occasionally informative reward). Serendipitous discoveries are best found elsewhere.

      So, given the choice between the Popularity model and the What I Like model, I'll opt for the latter. Fortunately, none of us is forced into making such a choice because we have the additional option of deferring to folks smarter and more educated than ourselves.

      So instead of debating the pros and cons of the two extremes, I'd suggest the more important question is where the hell are all the good editors?

    3. Re:Fairly Dangerous by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      That said, I do, as an example, keep news.google.com open in my browser. Not because I rely on (even partially) for my "source" of news, but because I can keep abreast of what does interest others (a small, but occasionally informative reward). Serendipitous discoveries are best found elsewhere.

      It's OK, you can tell us about your LIndsey Lohan crush.

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    4. Re:Fairly Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't disagree more.

      I like to exercise to keep my body healthy. That doesn't mean I don't use chairs. It's just that I get out of the chair sometimes and do other stuff. Is the chair "dangerous" because of what it might do to my health habits?

      The people who do seek out that kind of information are going to continue to do so. It's not even clear to me that the technology won't offer someone opposing viewpoints if that is something in which the user is interested. And it's not like people don't already have their head in the sand applying their own mental filters to block out opposing viewpoints.

  5. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a trap!

  6. so it's stumbleupon then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stumbleupon already works: it adapts to my likes and dislikes. Also it doesn't try to second guess: just because I visit a site doesn't mean I like it. That's what the like/dislike button is for.

  7. wonder how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    it will before I get sued by Apple. I'm an AI researcher.

  8. Web 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stylized name: trap!t
    Utterly meaningless strapline: Rule the web.
    Single sentence description that nonetheless leaves you thinking WTF is this.
    Trap used as a noun to mean article or post.

    It's web 2.0! But late.

  9. why all the fuzz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    android has had an app called voice control that has done all this and better for years. you can even ask it stupid things about chuck Norris. it gives you much better results as well. its really silly when you get into a conversation with it, as strange as that sounds.

  10. Important by RenHoek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While a program that fetches more things you are interested in is great, you should realize the consequences of such a program. In particular you should realize the concept of a filter bubble. Namely that by only picking out things you are already interested in, you exclude things that you could be interested in or things that are too important to exclude.

    There's been a TED talk about this, I suggest you watch it so that you can take active steps (when needed) to step out of your comfort zone now and then:

    http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ted-talk

    1. Re:Important by dredwerker · · Score: 2

      While a program that fetches more things you are interested in is great, you should realize the consequences of such a program. In particular you should realize the concept of a filter bubble. Namely that by only picking out things you are already interested in, you exclude things that you could be interested in or things that are too important to exclude.

      There's been a TED talk about this, I suggest you watch it so that you can take active steps (when needed) to step out of your comfort zone now and then:

      http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ted-talk

      I already have a real world filter bubble. I like the the things I like. I like to go out of my comfort zone now and then but I often end up back there as its my comfort zone :) I would be intrigued to see what the AI would do for me.

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    2. Re:Important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of prior art on that, I'm surrounded by blue-staters who only listen to NPR complaining about red-staters who only listen to Fox News. Nobody actually wants to listen to the opposing position for fear that their certainty in their own position may be shaken. Case in point, see some of the followup comments.

    3. Re:Important by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      The real world is far more complex and unpredictable than these virtual filter bubbles.

      You individually in your filter bubble is no loss - to you, or to anyone else. But millions, billions of filter bubbles, disconnected from reality and from each other destroys the society that needs reality and interconnections among disparate people.

      There's a reason people who come to NYC learn to respect it for being "real": it's hard for all but the richest to avoid people unlike them or difficult realities. There's a reason that people in NYC have a reputation for being "smart", and that NYC is typically ahead of curves while also rebounding from busts. It's because there's so much reality and contact with arbitrary people that any filter bubble gets constant reminders of the inconvenient reality beyond the bubble. It makes us more capable, more intelligent, and more able to cope with reality.

      Filter bubbles just set you up for a fall. They're a crutch that quickly atrophies your reality sense. And with people so able to affect each other now, despite our power to ignore each other, we need better engagement - not better numbness.

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    4. Re:Important by Hentes · · Score: 1

      How is this different from selecting a number of topical sites you are interested in by hand?

    5. Re:Important by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      You're a Red Stater. Move.

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    6. Re:Important by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The piece that seems to be missed, is that what everyone here is worried about just means that Siri isn't all that "magical" if it narrows what you are exposed to. If it really fulfilled it's promise, it should EXPAND what you are exposed to.

    7. Re:Important by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure it you are being serious or not.

    8. Re:Important by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should turn down your filter.

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    9. Re:Important by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      While a program that fetches more things you are interested in is great, you should realize the consequences of such a program. In particular you should realize the concept of a filter bubble. Namely that by only picking out things you are already interested in, you exclude things that you could be interested in or things that are too important to exclude.

      From the perspective of a person's personal life, that's all true. But from a work perspective, this could be really useful.

      Like a lot of academic departments, we maintain a list of news items related to our faculty's research. Right now one tool we use is a customized Google news feed - but that's not very sophisticated, and we get a lot of false positives. If TrapIt works well, it could make that portion of our PR person's job quite a bit easier.

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    10. Re:Important by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't help clear up your meaning.

    11. Re:Important by JimboFBX · · Score: 1

      People who listen exclusively to conservative news radio is a great example of this. Absolutely blows my mind to hear what some people actually believe and most importantly, what they believe others believe as well.

      That said Siri sounds like something I wouldn't use because talking is an inferior input device that voids all sense of privacy I get when i use my phone.

    12. Re:Important by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      You should get out more.

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  11. 360 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have started to feel lonely as I do not want to get information filtered for me by my taste. I want information all around me so I can actually react to those informations.

    If I want only information what is close my my heart or what I like, I can always close a doors of a house and lock myself in and live in real information bubble where no one else can give me information if it is not written by me.

    I like more the news360 app for Android. It is what I want. I want to click a news topic and see at glance what other news sites have written about it and find out all the directions of the topic without someone filtering it to me as "You do not want to hear this".

    1. Re:360 by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I won't give it permission to read my phone info, so the news360 app is not acceptable. Why does it need that?

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  12. Great...more extremism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now people will only hear/read what they want to see. Less perspective, more extremism. Great.

    1. Re:Great...more extremism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now people will only hear/read what they want to see

      I wish there was a web site that posted only about stuff that matters: great-looking naked women.

    2. Re:Great...more extremism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because we really need higher authority for telling us what to read.

  13. Prior art in a novel by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    If I dig through my bookcase long enough I can find prior art. I picked up some novel at the airport once when I needed something to read. It was a supposed thriller, involved a genius who was kicked out of his own company, ended up stealing a voice automated handheld (or wrist held, don't recall exactly) computer that the masses loved and regained his company. It was obvious it was an apple-ish story, and this was nearly a decade ago. I'm guessing someone at apple read it too! I wouldn't recommend it and I don't even remember the name...

    1. Re:Prior art in a novel by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Fiction isn't prior art.

    2. Re:Prior art in a novel by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      It may be.

      There was a guy who tried to patent a method for lifting sunken ships, by pumping down thousands of little plastic balls filled with air. It was approved in many countries, but rejected in the Netherlands, because the technique had been used in a Donald Duck story by Carl Barks 15 years earlier.

      All patent legislation demands that the idea be "novel". In principle, you could point to fiction as evidence that an idea isn't novel - but it's in states interests to approve as many patents as possible, so I doubt it would happen today.

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    3. Re:Prior art in a novel by Surt · · Score: 1

      I'm not clear how it's in the state's interest to approve patents. They cost more to approve than they bring in in revenue.

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    4. Re:Prior art in a novel by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not clear how it's in the state's interest to approve patents. They cost more to approve than they bring in in revenue.

      Are you also counting the revenue of the courts, in fighting patent battles? (I think East Texas would disagree with you...)

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    5. Re:Prior art in a novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Anything, published anywhere can be prior art in principle. Fiction doesn't usually contain enough information to be *useful* prior art though.

    6. Re:Prior art in a novel by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      They cost more to approve than they bring in in revenue.

      Citation needed? The government has a monopoly on assigning patents, so whatever they want for a patent they can take. If they take less than it costs, there must be some good reason why (probably involving some form of corruption, regulatory capture or protectionism)

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    7. Re:Prior art in a novel by Surt · · Score: 1

      They actually balance their budget, apparently:
      http://www.uspto.gov/news/speeches/2011/kappos_house_2012budget.jsp

      Which would mean a small net loss for the government as a whole, since at least 1 someone is going to manage them from outside the USPTO system, but inside the government as a whole.

      Still, it's better than I thought.

      And the reasoning on the pricing is that it is supposed to promote the general welfare. So increased tax revenues should result by virtue of patents existing and being legally enforceable.

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  14. State of the art AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    " has brought state-of-the-art AI to the consumer mainstream"

    Do people really believe this?

    1. Re:State of the art AI? by Legion303 · · Score: 0

      "Do people really believe this?"

      The ones who believe the ipad is magical and revolutionary might.

    2. Re:State of the art AI? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Which half did you think was untrue? Can you point to more state of the art AI (that can run on a handheld)? Or is ios just too non-mainstream?

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    3. Re:State of the art AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) The DSP and speech interpretation is not done a handheld.

      2) This is not AI.

    4. Re:State of the art AI? by Surt · · Score: 1

      Nothing is AI, that's my point.

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    5. Re:State of the art AI? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Nothing is AI, that's my point."

      True Scotsmen Like this. "Any feature which has been successfully implemented is no longer AI".

      That's a pretty sneaky bias for we carbon units to employ. What does it take for us to finally admit "Okay, that's AI. Not very smart AI, but then Smith over there isn't smart either." If for example you hook this Siri thing to the Watson system that can play world class Jeopardy, (tweaked for real sentences back rather than starting with Jeopardy Nouns), then watch out, here comes AI.

      Any one person has a "collection of subroutines". We hit our biological limits some 170 years ago, so (basically) no one is a Renaissance Universal Polymath anymore. So we're cherry picking which of 5 billion people we want as our "Human Champion" vs the AI systems that are just on the brink of the Singularity.

      We lost Chess, we lost Jeopardy. Your choice of 10 other classic test domains, which used to be hallmarks of Smart People.

      So these are steps toward AI. No doubt about it. Then the last piece will be the Killer App, and then we'll all go to our bookshelves and re-read people like Kurzweil. And Asimov's robot stories.

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    6. Re:State of the art AI? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      As there is no working AI today (and will not be for quite a long time yet, if ever, stop believing marketing BS), and Siri is definitely not AI, the claim is true.

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  15. It looks like you are making a phone call, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you like help ?

  16. It's a trap! by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Virtually overnight, Siri, the personal assistant technology in Apple's new iPhone 4S, has brought state-of-the-art AI to the consumer mainstream."

    I just choked on my cup of tea reading that. It's voice recognition feed into some search engines, Wolfram Alpha, Yelp and some snippets from Wikipedia and the result plays through text to speech, mashed up with voice commands. If you call such a remix of off-the-shelf tech and existing services state-of-the art AI then you must be joking. Indeed voice commands have been in many phones for a while, Android has had it, including dictation, since the dawn of the time. The only part about that is right is Apple's sucess at re-launching things that have been around for a while as something new, and actually getting people to use them. FaceTime for example, is mere video calling which many phones support, but nobody uses.

    What's worse is Apple probably managed to get a patent or two on Siri. It is so obvious that a bunch of coders at a hackathon could put something similar together in a few hours and have a demo of the same thing. Oh... wait... they've done exactly that, it's called Iris Alpha from a firm called, and it took eight hours.

    Point is, while Apple's idea is clever, the polish and packaging good and the marketing cleverest, but it is absolutely not start of the art artificial intelligence, it's the sorry state of artificial stupidity, and why we have little to fear in the way of robot uprisings yet.

    Give it a cute name and throw in some smart ass answers to inevitable cheeky questions and Apple has fooled a lot of people, clearly.

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    1. Re:It's a trap! by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you expect people who do not have real intelligence to recognize artificial intelligence?

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    2. Re:It's a trap! by Trubadidudei · · Score: 1

      Silly.

      Your description of his description is way off. He didn't say Siri was just voice commands. Even my ancient Nokia 3xxx had voice commands. Pay closer attention, because you're just mouthing off now about your strange Apple obsession. There are already two products with practically the same level of sophistication as Siri, namely the mentioned Iris Alpha and the subject of this article.

      Some people are so excited about Apple products that they can't even read a comment right or provide any tangible counterarguments other than "you're wrong because Apple is awesome". It's like a mental illness.

    3. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Talk about sensationalism. This is so far from artificial intelligence it's not even funny.

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    4. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      It's not even an expert system.

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    5. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I was referring to Siri itself. I misunderstood and thought they were claiming Siri is an AI.

      Still, adaptive learning algorithms are not AI. They're a piece of the puzzle, but don't read too much into it. Learning is necessary, but it doesn't meet the "intelligence" criteria.

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    6. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      To put it in perspective, a baysian spam filter is an adaptive algorithm. No one would ever claim it's intelligent.

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    7. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet it manages to severely out-perform about 10% of the human population. You know, those who actually open spam e-mails? Keep moving the goalposts... someday soon there will be nowhere left to move them. On that day, some young cretin will huff and puff and dismiss the world's first true human-level AI as "a mere collection of off-the-shelf technologies jury-rigged together with chewing-gum, spit and twine".

    8. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The goal posts haven't moved in 20 years. The Turing Test is the first test of artificial intelligence. No one is moving the goal posts. They're just calling out the bullshit artists.

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    9. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've read of "Iris", it's impressive, but it ain't Siri. The article I read showed that Iris was very good at parsing natural language questions and finding the answers on the internet, even silly questions like "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck?". That's great, but Siri goes beyond that. It can respond to statements, not just questions. It learns how you speak. It gets better the more you use it.

      Now, I admit: I have not done in-depth research on Iris. Maybe Iris does incorporate adaptive learning. But from what I read, it looked like it was just a question parser.

      But whatever. I'm not going to change any minds at this site. Slashdot suffers from "Apple derangement syndrome". I mean, for cripe's sake, this article isn't even about Siri, but everyone has such a frothing hate-on for Apple that the fact that something kind was said about Siri in the summary sent the readers into hysterics.

      Slashdot is like an alternate universe. Everyone bends over so far backwards to avoid giving Apple any credit that they're breaking their collective back. I'd just like to ask one question: If everything Apple does is so unimpressive, so obvious... then why does Apple always get there first?

      Posted anonymously, because as the GP's fate shows, defending Apple on this site is great way to lose karma.

    10. Re:It's a trap! by MikeMo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's not just "voice with a search engine". You can speak to Siri casually, using phrases that can't have been hard-coded. It also understands context: you can say "do I need a raincoat in Seattle tomorrow?", and then "how about in Portland?" and Siri understands the reference.

      But, just go on hating in ignorance, it's so much easier.

    11. Re:It's a trap! by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      So, you've learned nothing about it - Apple didn't invent Siri - they bought it, so "probably managed to get a patent on it" just belies your bias here.

      The sentence is a little sensational - it's a smart system as far as voice recognition and organisation goes, but it's certainly not cutting edge AI.

    12. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow cranky pants! Settle down. Apple did not call Siri state of the art. The person in this forum did. While I agree with you it is not state of the art. It is innovative since it natively works with the device, creating calendar entries, sending text, reading text, email, and clever answers.

      Point is, it was made by Apple (purchased by Apple) in the Apple way, "easy to use and fun to use"!

      Which will pay off later for Apple. Just like the development of the iPhone was for the iPad.

    13. Re:It's a trap! by Surt · · Score: 1

      Depressingly, that's the state of the art in AI. There's really nothing substantively better out there.

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    14. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just choked on my cup of tea reading that. It's voice recognition feed into some search engines, Wolfram Alpha, Yelp and some snippets from Wikipedia and the result plays through text to speech, mashed up with voice commands. If you call such a remix of off-the-shelf tech and existing services state-of-the art AI then you must be joking.

      Yeah. Too bad you didn't think of it first, eh?

      Tool.

    15. Re:It's a trap! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      It's not just "voice with a search engine". You can speak to Siri casually, using phrases that can't have been hard-coded.

      Strangely, replacing "speak" with "type", you can do that to several search engines, like Wolfram Alpha.

      Oddly enough, Wolfram Alpha is where Siri sends many inquiries to actually get responses.

      So, yeah, its search with a voice recognition interface.

    16. Re:It's a trap! by SpiceWare · · Score: 1

      What search engines can send your messages and update your calendar?

    17. Re:It's a trap! by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just choked on my cup of tea reading that. It's voice recognition feed into some search engines, Wolfram Alpha, Yelp and some snippets from Wikipedia and the result plays through text to speech, mashed up with voice commands. If you call such a remix of off-the-shelf tech and existing services state-of-the art AI then you must be joking.

      If it's so obvious and easy to do, why haven't you done it? From reports from actual users, it seems to me that for the first time we have a voice recognition system that can do more than respond to a small number of precisely-defined words. If that's not state-of-the-art, I want to know what world you live in, and can I have some of the futuristic tech you must be using?

    18. Re:It's a trap! by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed voice commands have been in many phones for a while,

      Including older iPhones - but here's the problem: They barely work. I use it very occasionally for simple things, like getting the time in winter when the phone is somewhere in an inside pocket.

      From all I've seen, Siri works. That right there is the entire secret. It doesn't have 25613 features, but it works.

      What's worse is Apple probably managed to get a patent or two on Siri.

      They bought it. If there were any patents, they certainly now own them, but it's not Apple's fault or decision. Siri was almost complete when it got bought up.

      It is so obvious that a bunch of coders at a hackathon could put something similar together in a few hours and have a demo of the same thing. Oh... wait... they've done exactly that, it's called Iris Alpha from a firm called, and it took eight hours.

      Allegedly. Plust quite frankly, this nice video here:
      https://market.android.com/details?id=com.dexetra.iris
      has me minus-convinced. Funny how there is always a cut between the question and the answer...

      Point is, while Apple's idea is clever, the polish and packaging good and the marketing cleverest, but it is absolutely not start of the art artificial intelligence,

      Agreed. It is, however, the state of the art of the personal assistant. It is precisely the polish, integration and Steve's obsession with perfection that makes it a success. I'm sure there's at least a hundred prototype projects around that can do more, have more advanced AI, etc. etc. etc. - but none of them are in a state where you could put them out into a mass market.

      And that's why Apple is making more money than they know what to do with, and the Iris Alpha coders are playing "look ma" in the Android market place.

      Personal disclaimer: Don't get this wrong as a lack of respect. The same reason is why a friend of mine makes a living with computer games, while I have the better game ideas but barely make what I spend on engine licenses, etc. and consider it a hobby - when I think a game is done, he starts the polishing process, the other 50% of development.

      And Apple is a master of that part.

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    19. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. I did not try to describe his description - because it all missed the point. I use products that are useful. Apple, or whoever. Weird how you then misquoted me - I said nothing about Apple being awesome. Drop the troll stuff, the weird love and hate thing about different companies and talk about the actual product. You MAKE my point. Just a reflexive thing for some of you all. Like calling everyone a Liberal or whatever instead of actually engaging a discussion.

      I don't have an iPhone or a Mac. I just find this endless war of 'my team is better than yours' a bit childish. I've used several 'voice command' apps, etc. They all do something, some better than others. But those are all small parts of the big picture - as is SIRI. The real discussion would be about what distinguishes it not - "Apple fan boy" type idiocy. Who cares? Does it work well? Does it really track commands in a conversational way? Are there other products doing that that work as well?

      Who fucking cares if it's Apple. You seem to.

    20. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the statement of the week. Thank you :D

    21. Re:It's a trap! by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      The guy said send many inquiries not all of them. Obviously, something with messaging or calendar in it is puzzled out and sent to acted upon accordingly. They probably took a statistical sample of people and how they would actually say something like "Schedule a meeting with so-and-so for next thursday regarding the whatever", took all of the common variations, set it to pick up on the keywords and let it rip. It's not hard for a programmer to pick up on how they did it and it isn't really revolutionary.

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    22. Re:It's a trap! by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      You don't think Watson is substantially better than this? I doubt Siri would have been able to beat Ken Jennings on jeopardy. I'm not saying Watson is the end all be all but it is certainly a lot closer than this.

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    23. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not compare with an 8 hour hackathon project (even though the video may have been a joke, I have no idea.). It was just to demonstrate how fast someone could come up with a similar project. I'm sure if you hook up Wolfram Alpha to it's backed, it'd get a hell of a lot smarter... but they're probably not licensed and therefore can't.

      Let's check out a company that's been doing the same thing since at least December, if not earlier. Check out https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pannous.voice.actions.free , or even Sir... OH WAIT, that was removed from your store wasn't it?

      Voice Action (now called Jeannie), just works too according to at least 400,000 users who have been enjoying this on their first-to-latest generation phones. What? You haven't heard of a QA department? Iris is a hackathon project from XDA, so obviously it won't have the spit-and-shine. Jeannie's had some work done ;)

      But enjoy paying an extra $800 for a phone you don't need.

    24. Re:It's a trap! by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Too bad you didn't think of it first, eh?

      So for him to comment on it, he has to have thought it up? Does that go for everyone else and everything too? Do I have to have invented cars to give my opinion of a 1972 Ford Pinto? You don't have to be a baker to know the bread is stale, guy.

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    25. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20123837-251/siri-is-there-a-comparable-android-alternative/

      Impressive. It sounds like Android has the same crap voice stuff we've all seen for a long while now. So easy there.

    26. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they bought the system and those that own it, don't they also get any (pending) patents that may have been filed regarding it?

    27. Re:It's a trap! by MikeMo · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that you surmise all this from your external view of the operation, even though the authors state that Siri is doing something quite different. Does your confident assessment require you to conclude that they are lying?

    28. Re:It's a trap! by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      I would expect the authors of the program to use whatever buzzword laden verbiage they could come up with to tell me how revolutionary and "different" their product is. It's called marketing. That's why I have to investigate it myself and cut through the bs. As someone "skilled in the arts" of programming, I have yet to see anything within Siri that 99 percent of which can't be accomplished as described in my GP post.

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    29. Re:It's a trap! by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Yes, they would - yet the OP is specifically using language that Apple would be looking to "sneakily" get a patent on it (with absolutely no evidence) rather than, say obtaining patents already granted on it by the original makers when they bought the software.

      "Ok, we bought it, now lets patent it!" is the claim, with no corroborating evidence at all. In fact, the OP is claiming this is a "what's worse..." argument - as in, here's a fact that makes Apple's use of Siri bad for everyone, when he just shot his mouth off with wild speculation.

      Then he goes into a non-sequitur.

      Essentially he was just your classic anti-Apple troll, but that's hardly unusual around here.

    30. Re:It's a trap! by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Google calendar! I use the calendar widget. I type "Schedule Dinner with X on June 23rd 5:30pm" and press enter, it automatically creates the entry.

    31. Re:It's a trap! by Surt · · Score: 1

      I don't think they have Watson running on a cell phone, yet. Siri is just Watson on smaller hardware.

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    32. Re:It's a trap! by nightfell · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, Wolfram Alpha is where Siri sends many inquiries to actually get responses.

      And Wolfram Alpha is where I send many inquiries to get responses. The kicker is, it's just one of many places I look for info, and I have the ability to decide when to use it and when not.

      So does Siri.

    33. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason they make more money is his amazing speech's and mind control, coupled with a product that is well polished and easy to use. It isn't cutting edge or new technology, but the way he convinces people it is.

    34. Re:It's a trap! by RedK · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. I tried for 5 minutes to have it "cancel" an e-mail I was in the midst of having it write up without using the word cancel. It never understood even the simplest of phrasings I tried, including : "Nevermind", "Don't send this e-mail", "I changed my mind", etc.. etc... Maybe you should own and play with an iPhone 4S before you just repeat whatever you saw in a demo on the Internet.

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    35. Re:It's a trap! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that automating the copy-paste from a Dragon Naturally Speaking document and pasting it into the search bar is novel enough to warrant a patent and praise? Don't confuse the first to do it that you've heard of with meaning they were the first to think of it.

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    36. Re:It's a trap! by Tom · · Score: 1

      It was just to demonstrate how fast someone could come up with a similar project.

      It's easy to do when the codebase is available. There are both voice recognition libraries for Android, and early code for what eventually became Siri.

      But enjoy paying an extra $800 for a phone you don't need.

      Smartass. First, it's not $800, it's $200 to $400 depending on the model you buy. Second, I didn't. Third, when I did (iPhone 4), it was for a device that I needed.

      So, basically, the word "enjoy" was the only word in that sentence with at least some truth value.

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    37. Re:It's a trap! by Tom · · Score: 1

      Almost.

      It isn't the technology. But it is the polish and the ease of use.

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    38. Re:It's a trap! by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Honestly, not saying it may not be implemented/integrated very well, but you're talking voice recognition with a search engine that can do some basic natural language processing (NLP).

      There really isn't anything new about these separate components. It may be slickly done (probably is, being Apple), but what you've described is nowhere near "state of the art" for AI. I have a 21 year background in AI, for frame of reference.

    39. Re:It's a trap! by Boycott+BMG · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but Siri (both the voice recognition part and the natural language processing part) isn't running on a phone. It's running on some clusters somewhere and the results are fed to a phone.

    40. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri does not understand the context. It only finds out keywords and then directs itself to correct database of answers and fills query output from search engines.

      "Do I need umbrella today?"
      Keywords = Umbrella, Today
      Mix with date and location data available and you get phrase what you need to query from search engine.
      Keyword "Umbrella" means weather and only about rain possibility. So search is easy.

      1. Search weather forecast
      2. Search time for today
      3. Search location current place unless specified

      The data what you get from search engines (like weather.com) is needed to be grepped as there is information like what is possibility for rain.

      Rain possibility 20% 50% = say "Yes you do"

      That's it. No AI, no wonderfull magical A.I at all.
      Find keywords -> Check database for correct search query -> search -> get results -> check database for correct answer format -> Send result to speech engine

      Siri does not understand what people are talking. It does not understand the context, it only recognize the keywords and fills needed info from other sensors and data like location, time, date etc.
      Even a parrot or dog understands context while Siri does not.

      Someone could do a Widget to Android what does that when it wakes person at morning, it reads the weather forecast and the traffic information of typical route between home and work. And then depeding forecast speaks out "You need today a umbrella and take road 5 to avoid traffic jam".

      And you would not need to even ASK anything as that application would do a search query by it self, format the data and say in order what database rules.

      What Apple did, was they bought the Siri for Apple and then they listed hundreds of different keywords and orders to database and made predefined search queries and from what search engine search of what.

      Even my Android phone is better than Siri as I do not need to ask anything. I can just look my phone screen and I can see forecast for 3 days. If I want forecast for different place, I can just click screen, point a map of wanted location and get same results. Instead speaking and phone resolving keywords etc. I do it by pointing a screen or typing them.

      Is Google a A.I? If not, then ain't Siri either. If Siri is A.I, then Google is as well.
      Speech engine and voice recognition does not make search engine as A.I.

    41. Re:It's a trap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, journalists. I train the fuckers how to use this gear, and they think having an app to dial the phone from the screen is Star Trek Tech.

  17. ti's called clustering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and has been done for years.

  18. Siri - acting on your behalf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please submit a copy of your Siri's learning network so it may be merged it with the master to get to know you better.

    This will help avoid a lot of hassle as Siri can answer many questions on your behalf.

    With your permission, Siri can maintain bank accounts on your behalf.

    If you trade stocks Siri can make trades very quickly on your behalf.

    Siri can recommend books and new articles it has determined are beneficial to your happiness within society.

    Siri can recommend a good biological matching to donate your genes toward.

    This will free you to make more money (working in the mines).

  19. Horse shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone that actually knows AI and has studied it seriously know Siri is not "state of the art" AI. Look at all the work being done at Stanford, MIT, CMU and many other universities around the globe. Siri is far from the state of art. It is nice and useful, but it is without a doubt not "state of art". Assisted learning has been around for over a decade and has made a ton of progress. All these people need to freaking study the domain before making asinine statements.

  20. I LOVE THESE NAMES by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Trapit! Itsatrap! My cellphone is a TRACFONE. AT&T's logo is still the death star. And the trump, Microsoft.

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  21. Siri, Android and State of the Art by DougReed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's Siri is not necessarily 'State of the Art', but like just about everything Apple does... It just works. Siri is causing a splash because ... unlike Android. It works properly. I don't use voice on my Android because it is worthless to me. I say 'Call my wife' It says. 'Calling Lowes Home Center'. It NEVER EVER gets it right. I have several friends with Androids and only one friend with that perfect voice that can get it to understand him, and even he often has to ask it twice . My wife HATES my Android and never bothered with a Smart phone before because she did not really like them. Too big and bulky. Her phone finally broke and she bought the 4S.

    Like everything else Apple does. It just works. She talks to it. It understands every word. I talk to it ... It understands every word. .. and it ALWAYS seems to say something appropriate in response. True that the Android voice can do more than Siri. But I would rather have a voice that can do less properly than one that can do lots of stuff wrong. The only thing I find the Android voice useful for is a good laugh. I fire it up occasionally and ask it something and get a chuckle with just how wrong it gets my request. When she got Siri, we had a house full of people that evening and we passed my Android around playing with the voice. It did not once get anything right anyone said. 7 different voices asking it stuff and not once was it even close. Siri understood everyone perfectly.

    So the Android voice is useless. Siri is useful. Therein lies the difference.

    1. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh it's interesting and not troll. Must be just my mistake

    2. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by bendilts · · Score: 1

      That's fascinating. An Apple fanboy of the highest order came into the office raving about Siri (which, in Apple's infinite wisdom, he was excluded from since he has an iPhone 4). He said, "You can just say, 'text Brian I'm running late for work', and it'll send him a text!!!" I got out my Android phone, held down the search button for 2 seconds to bring up voice search, and said, "text Brian I'm running late for work." Of course, it worked perfectly. "Yeah, but you can use it to find places on maps, too!" "Navigate to the Energy Solutions Arena." Worked perfectly. "Yeah, but it's... you know... it's just better because it works really good. It's the first time this has been done right!" It's incredible to me how some people's critical thinking skills break down in the reality distortion field.

    3. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by am+2k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      you sir are a dumbass. my google is trained and understands me perfectly.

      Siri obviously doesn't need any training to get to that level. That's important, since training a computer to do what you want it to do is a chore. Just like nearly nobody wants to write his/her own OS kernel just to get the real work done.

    4. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have had the exact opposite experience you have... you could literally flip flop iPhone and Android in your post and that would be my anecdote.

    5. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sorry, but I got a Nexus S, Moto Atrix and 4S, and I completely disagree. Siri is neat, cool, funny, and better integrated with the rest of the phone. But beyond that I find that it is much slower, and gets things wrong more times than not. Also, when it gets things wrong, it just assumes it is right and moves onward. To me, it is clearly a Beta, and not a Google Beta.

      The Nexus & Atrix seems more conservative in its assumptions. And they seem to a better guesser at various forms of English (British, Frenchy, New England, not Southern Slang?) than the 4S.

      I understand that the Siri is Beta, so I look forward to a lot of improvement, but for me, the current Andriods do a much better job. What I find sad is that the real cell phone manufactures just recently started making competitive Smartphones while Google and Apple did it months or years ago.

    6. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by jittles · · Score: 1

      Just like nearly nobody wants to write his/her own OS kernel just to get the real work done.

      Those people just don't have enough free time on their hands.

    7. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great that Siri is having a big impact. This is why competition is great. Siri will force Android developers to come up with alternatives that are as good or better. Everybody wins.

    8. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's Siri is not necessarily 'State of the Art', but like just about everything Apple does... It just works.

      Apple didn't do Siri. They just bought them.

    9. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I challenge you to put up a video with your android matching what Siri does. No edits.

      "text Brian I'm late for work"

      "Show me the way to "

      "Remind me in fifteen minutes to call mom"

      "Remind me to feed wolfy when I get home"

      "set an appointment with my hairdresser at four on friday"

      "move that appointment to three"

      "Don't let me forget Claire's birthday next week"

      Time starts now.

    10. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but now that Apple has bought it, it's a revolutionary product that will bring AI to the masses.

    11. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn. I have the same story, except Siri hilariously screws up every request while my Nexus S could pick my voice and parse it perfectly in a loud room. Pull your head out of your idevice's ass and you could possibly learn to use a phone properly.

    12. Re:Siri, Android and State of the Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pray tell, just why is it so important for you to convince us that you bought the right ego booster, that you really, really, really have the better equipment?

  22. Google News Sucks by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    Google News sucks.

    Sure, it's better than reading a physical newspaper, where you're trapped in a single swamp of laziness, bias and lies. And we won't talk of TV "news", which is like a Bazooka Joe bubblegum wrapper. But before I was wise enough to realize how newspapers sucked (and before they totally sucked, after USA Today got through with them, and Fox Lies got through with newspapers), reading a newspaper could be an hour of thinking substantially about the world. An hour of depth and range.

    But Google News sucks. Spending an hour reading it is like spending an hour speed dating. Yet it does have a lot of sources, some decent algorithms finding multiple sources for a single story, and a wide range of categories (especially if you're interested in PR in technical subjects written for a nontechnical audience). There's just "no there, there".

    Is there an app that's better at presenting news? Browsing, linking among related articles? Formatted like a magazine or something, not just a clickable RSS feed?

    Maybe something that listens to speech and gets content based on it? Maybe some social features? Something? The medium of "news" seems to be dead and rotting, right when the world needs it most. And right when my tea is ready.

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    1. Re:Google News Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm working on improving my project, a version of what you want, tonight. It's nowhere near finished (I'm coding in "prod" so ignore the errors tonight.) Feedback would be very welcome. http://egusta.com/tech/

    2. Re:Google News Sucks by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      You have an interesting perspective. Mine: I get all my news from three sources: NPR in the car; Slashdot and Google News in the evenings and mornings (I do not do non-work, at work). I find that Google News aggregates very well for me. I probably could benefit from adding Science Daily or similar; but Slashdot links out to enough science that I tend to get my fill here. It's also interesting how many articles overlap: most often, I read something here or on Google News, and then hear about it on NPR on my way to work.

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  23. Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by msobkow · · Score: 1

    'nuff said.

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    1. Re:Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by jfengel · · Score: 1

      So... between UNIVAC and the Turing Test there's absolutely nothing that might be of any use at all?

    2. Re:Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by savuporo · · Score: 1

      Why ? Turing test is hardly a measure of useful artificial intelligence. Without getting into much details, even your friend wikipedia elaborates on the subject. The most important point is its irrelevance to real world applications. A car that drives you cross country autonomously does have a ton of useful AI in it, but for it to pass a Turing test would be just completely pointless. Neither would your home assistant robot that runs errands, does grocery shopping and household chores need to be able to chat with you from behind a curtain .. duh.

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    3. Re:Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My brother passes the turing test.

      He doesn't work, won't clean up, won't set appointments if I ask him, won't tell me the time, knows fuck all, and is happy to sit jerking off in his room, unemployed, while living with mom at age 24.

      I don't want that on my phone. eww.

    4. Re:Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by msobkow · · Score: 1

      The Turing Test is only step one. There are other ways to evaluate AI capabilities, and other aspects of intelligence than participating in one-on-one communications. There are chatbots which have done very well on the Turing Test, but they fail other subsequent tests.

      Self-driving cars and a host of very useful applications can be serviced by an expert system and a few learning algorithms. But you'd never want a true AI driving your car, because you'd have to teach it HOW first. An expert system with a pre-loaded rule base services the need, but without actual intelligence. Ideally, expert systems are predictable in their responses, not creative. Intelligence requires a demonstration of initiative and goal setting, not just stimuli response based on some canned logic and simple rules.

      Even Watson isn't an AI, and it requires a hell of a lot more system resources than Siri, and I seriously doubt this web-enabled search engine binding is delivering that kind of capacity on a per-user basis, either. Does Watson learn new languages without intervention or training? Can it come up with concepts to seek out on the internet and learn about? Has it ever achieved creativity, even at the primitive level of a child's crayon drawing?

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    5. Re:Let me know when it passes the Turing Test by savuporo · · Score: 1

      A lot of western researchers seem to think "true" AI is somehow the holy grail. Its the evolution and further combination of what you call the "expert systems", that is bringing about the presence of artificial intelligence in everyday lives. Even if this presence may not appear truly "intelligent", it will and is already surpassing humans in certain capabilities.

      You see, nothing says that the so called "expert systems" have to be based on canned logic and simple rules only, its perfectly possible to complement these by adaptive and evolving algorithms.

      Again, Turing test is a worthless and irrelevant measure, to anyone but ivory tower research types. Oh, and "popular science" media.

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  24. Siri A.I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri is barely worthy of the name Intelligent System, let alone A.I, there are levels of required functionality before Siri is as stated anything more than a voice input with a search engine behind it.

    In fact Trapit is closer to being an Intelligent System than Siri but all it really is is a database of key words that is built up over time based on the articles you view and functions that go through the selection of articles a search engine picks up and scans for those key words and if it hits a magic number it will place the article in your viewing queue.

    Although the discussion between the use A.I and Intelligent system is very much a semantic one.

  25. Siloed brains by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 2

    As technology feeds people only what they specifically want to hear, a real danger is emerging. Increasingly, people's prejudices and misconceptions are being reinforced and their minds being restricted and tainted by their biases. One need only look to global warming deniers or Fox News commentary to validate this concern.

    1. Re:Siloed brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I relaxed on this long ago.

      Those who adapt and choose the right things (TM) will be (s)elected to be the next kondratieff-survivors. Those who don't, well, we have bad news for you. Demographics, stupid policy decisions around vaccination and sanitation and Peak Oil/Everything will wipe the ignorant away. This time once and forever. Or it wipes any civilization away, which in itself solves the problem too.

  26. Barf time by markdavis · · Score: 0

    >"Just as Siri is revolutionizing the human-computer interaction on the mobile device, "

    Shall I barf now or a bit later?

  27. Siri is not "voice" by MikeMo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Apple has done voice for a long time, too. Lots of people have. Siri is different. Do yourself a favor and look into it before you make yourself look dumb.

    1. Re:Siri is not "voice" by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

      Apple has done voice for a long time, too. Lots of people have. Siri is different.

      Siri is an interface using voice recognition for input, a selection of backends to do the actual work (Wolfram Alpha is a big one, apparently), and speech synthesis for part of the output. Its a clever wiring together of existing technologies, but its not revolutionary in a way that is likely to provide Apple a durable edge substantively (having been first mover is likely to be a marketing edge longer than there is any substantive edge, though, so its likely to be quite good for Apple, anyway.)

    2. Re:Siri is not "voice" by Joshua+Fan · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't need to invent or be first in anything to reap the benefits, as long as most sheeple believe that they invented or were first to introduce so-and-so technology.

    3. Re:Siri is not "voice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do understand that it was an application before, right? Everything you say and do has already been done on earlier phones with appli... OH WAIT, they pulled it from the 3 / 3g / 4 store didn't they.

      Oh, my bad.

      Incidentally, this ( https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pannous.voice.actions.free ) application has been available on the Android Market since at least December. Check the video, it's remarkable similar.

      Again, nothing revolutionary that people haven't done before. They might have put in a few more cutesy preprogrammed remarks like Space Quest did back in the day of the command line, but if you're seriously going to pay another $800 for an application -- you need your head checked.

    4. Re:Siri is not "voice" by jscotta44 · · Score: 1

      First mover and more polish. Apple cares about how smoothly things work together. It is not perfect in doing this, but it is far better than most of the competition.

    5. Re:Siri is not "voice" by jscotta44 · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to know your history very well. Apple has been doing voice synth and voice control, since at least the early '90's. And, yes, they probably got the idea from Star Trek - so it wasn't their idea. However, typical of Apple to make a concept actually usable. At least typical of Apple with the second coming of Jobs. The Jobs of the first coming and of NeXT, had vision, but didn't know how to only release stuff that was ready for prime time – something that he learned and applied when he returned to run Apple.

  28. Oh the irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

  29. Catch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assert("Trapit will revolutionize web search");

    SIG_FAULT

  30. Echo chamber much by flaming+error · · Score: 1

    This tech should help us all increase our cognitive bias.

  31. News aggregator by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    The Web-based news aggregator lets users set up persistent 'traps' or filters on specific topics. Over time, the traps learn to include more articles that match users' interests and exclude those that don't.

    Allow: Shiny new electronic products

    Block: Starving orphans

    .

  32. I will give Siri props. by UncHellMatt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I tested it out, it did much better than my Android, with no "training". Try Android voice with a Boston accent. I tell it to call my favorite bar and it calls a sheep.....

    One of the people who worked on Watson, the computer mind put to the test on Jeopardy, is my former brother in law. When BrotherInLaw -1 began on computer AI there was, at the time, no one more advanced than he to challenge his thesis. The stuff we're seeing now in Siri is very much like what Watson did and projects BIL -1 has been working on for over 10 years, only put to "commercial / consumer" use; something inevitable. I doubt anyone involved with the first missions to the moon were all up in arms saying "What? Velcro? *ththt* That's been out for ages." Remember, to much of the media and your average user, this IS bleeding edge!

    This is what happens with technology. It gets invented, it gets used in science and technology circles for a while then, if it's got commercial appeal, it ends up in the hands of Joe 6GB.To those lambasting Apple, while I assure you is something I enjoy, is sort of shooting fish in a barrel.

    All that said, I use Android for one very simple reason: Apple's Ap Store policy makes me rage. Their puritanical requirements on nudity, "obscenity", etc as well as their tight fisted control over interface is preposterous and reprehensible. When I'd heard they forced a German news agency change their iPhone ap due to a few boobies was when I decided I would never, ever own one. Many of my users have them, they're bought by my employer, I've been offered a new iPhone each year, but for the last two years I've very much enjoyed my Android. The voice command blows, no argument. The screen pivot is comical. But all the aps I have, I enjoy. I can play around with whatever aps I want and not brick the device. To me, that's a fair cop; One programs functionality (Siri) does not out weigh freedom to do as I wish with my devices.

    1. Re:I will give Siri props. by Moldiver · · Score: 1

      Actually the didn't force Bild to change or censor their app - Bild censored itself to avoid the 17+ needed otherwise...

    2. Re:I will give Siri props. by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and US retailers don't force game developers to censor themselves. They just won't stock AO games.

    3. Re:I will give Siri props. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about Voice Dial or Voice Search (aka Voice Action)? There's a big difference between the two. Voice Dial is designed to accept a very limited subset of commands (mirroring voice commands of feature phones), while Voice Search is designed to accept a much wider swath of commands. Voice Search is much more reliable than Voice Dial.

      Failing that, give https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pannous.voice.actions.free a shot.

  33. bias by Tom · · Score: 1

    I personally consider this one of the most dangerous innovations of the (still young) century.

    We humans already have built-in bias, and plenty of it. One of these little devils is the one that filters out information counter to your opinions. If you use an agent that shows you only stuff that you like, a lot of people will descend even further into their own personal worlds, and move ever further away from reality.

    Every once in a while, you need to be confronted with views other and your own, and stuff outside your field of interest. We already know what happens otherwise: Your vision gets more and more narrow.

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    1. Re:bias by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I personally consider this one of the most dangerous innovations of the (still young) century.

      We humans already have built-in bias, and plenty of it.

      True, but think of what life was like in Ye Ancient Thymes - you were lucky if you got a foreign newspaper that was less than a month old. Unless you were royalty or very well to do, you did not interact with a large circle of people. You never had a chance of finding out there were furries in the world. /b/ was just a brief bout of nausea in some schizophrenics brain after a particularly bad meal.

      While most people won't avail themselves of it, there are more options to 'expand your mind' than ever. Even barring recreational pharmaceuticals.

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    2. Re:bias by Tom · · Score: 1

      That's true and a very good point.

      So, I amend mine, and add: "I don't want to return to those dark ages"

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  34. Something similar to trapit by blizter · · Score: 1

    I launched http://www.undivided.info/ about 6 months back. Tells you when news from around 120 websites are posted in real-time.

    1. Re:Something similar to trapit by FTWinston · · Score: 1

      Looks good, but it just brought up the following gamesradar link from March as if it were new! :-)
      http://www.gamesradar.com/dragon-age-and-yakuza-delayed-disaster-report-4-canceled-in-reaction-to-quake/

      Couple of kinks still in there, perhaps.

    2. Re:Something similar to trapit by blizter · · Score: 1

      Hey thanks, It does that when the articles are updated or edited. Unfortunately sometimes they are websites are re-saving articles with nothing new or updating a story like crazy and it gets a bit annoying. Thank tho.

    3. Re:Something similar to trapit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, sounds like a pain! Any prospect of saving hashes of the text on each article, and not re-adding then to the list when updated if the hash is the same? Or grabbing the "last updated" date and comparing? Or even just not re-using the same URL again? I expect you've been through all this already, however.

  35. Piffle by koan · · Score: 1

    It isn't an AI by any means, stop calling it that.

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  36. Old tech? by shellster_dude · · Score: 0

    So basically Trap-it is using Bayesian filters or some similar technique to filter news stories, and because Apple managed to cobble together a bunch of existing technologies in a fairly clever manner, now all this AI stuff is "new" and "ground-breaking"?