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The 147 Corporations Controlling Most of the Global Economy

rubycodez writes "Researchers at the Swiss Federal Technology Institute in Zurich have identified a 'Capitalist Network' [PDF] of well-connected companies that control most of the global economy. They further identified the 147 'super-connected' companies that control forty percent or more of the global financial network. If one believes the mega-corporations have most governments of the west in their pockets, does this mean we have a global oligarchy?"

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  1. I'm actually suprised it's that many by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet you could easily whittle that down to less than 50 who effectively control just about everything in the first-world--when you factor in subsidiaries, companies they invest in or who invest in or depend on them, companies they partner with extensively, etc. Just look at the web of control that the major banking companies alone exert. When a handful of companies in a single industry are so powerful that if they fail, your ENTIRE ECONOMY (and that of many other countries) collapses, I would say they effectively own you. That's way more powerful than any mere group of individual citizens could ever hope to be.

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    1. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by arcite · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not unlike say, the Hudson Bay Company or East India Company. How long until the corporations get their own private armies of mercenaries and start waging wars of attrition over market share? Oh wait....

    2. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://theelitist.net/nypd-receives-jp-morgan-donation-mass-arrest-of-protesters-at-occupywallstreet

    3. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      We used to have Kings & Queens ruling over nearly all of the wealth until the philosophy of individual rights and property started taking hold. Corporations, as a collection of individuals, seek to create wealth, not destroy it. War is a destructive force on an economy.
      The real problem is creating governments that have excessive power, because it is those government entities that wage war and rule with force. A corporation has no power to dictate your life unless it coerces a government that is willing to do so. That is why government can never be allowed an excess of power and why government's sole purpose should be defend the rights of individuals. Current political winds are blowing away from a corporate world and back to the realms of Kings & Queens.

    4. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Nice in theory. But once you shrink the government small enough to be drowned in a bath tub, the first thug who could will drown it. Then who is going to defend you, individual? Time to take your head off the clouds and talk some real sense.

      Already corporations have been ruled people, except they don't need visa and they can't be executed or imprisoned, and they can be created out of thin air to be saddled with the liabilities while the CEO and his gang walk away with all the assets in their personal portfolio.

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    5. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations, as a collection of individuals, seek to create wealth, not destroy it.

      Corporations seek to control wealth, by any means necessary.

      A corporation has no power to dictate your life unless it coerces a government that is willing to do so.

      We've all got to eat. Those who control the means of production control who eats. Those who control the finance system control who works and who doesn't, and who has a home to go to at night. That is every bit as coercive as any governmental power.

      That is why government can never be allowed an excess of power and why government's sole purpose should be defend the rights of individuals

      Defend individuals, mainly from corporations. Unfortunately, our government is wholly owned by those very corporations we need to be protected from.

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    6. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by ADRA · · Score: 2

      Failed economies in the 1700's and 1800's could never affect the day to day lives of the common man, so having a few concentrated super companies (Though mind you, these and many like them were among the first 'corporations') wasn't as important. When you had > 50% agricultural citizenry, the only large impact on their lives would be the lack of materials / machinery to optimize their operations. Now a-days, was it something like > 50% that are now directly service oriented in the states? Those industries seem a lot more reflexive based on the health of a global economy.

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    7. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you create minimalistic governments, then power is simply there to be taken. There is a balance of interests that must be maintained. Simply cutting down the government to nothing would not solve the problem.

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    8. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      People are confused because they think that corporations and governments are different animals. All they are is manifestations of the control.

      The key is to see to it that you are among those that control the governments and corporations. That is what democracy is about: You put the general public in control of the biggest control organization, at least when it's working as described.

      The thing people don't seem to get is that there is no 99%. There is the 1%, and the next 1%, and the 1% after that, etc. If you think the fifteenth 1% and the ninety ninth 1% have all the same interests you've got another thing coming.

      If they have any shared interests at all, it's in taking what the first 1% have and then dividing it up between them. But all this sitting in the street talking about laws that will never pass isn't going to get you there. You're talking about taking from the powerful, you have to go the traditional route: You find out who they are, then you go and kill them and take their stuff. They do the same to you, they just call it the justice system.

      And if you find that too extreme, fine. That's totally understandable -- nobody wants to risk life and limb just to get a few gold pieces. Taking on a SWAT teams so you can take their stuff and use it is nobody's idea of fun. But you don't overthrow the ruling class by sitting in the park.

    9. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by silanea · · Score: 2

      [...] War is a destructive force on an economy. [...]

      Which is why there is no money to be made in the military sector. Tanks, guns and battleship are built by philantrophs at a loss.

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    10. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by rgbatduke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      they can be created out of thin air to be saddled with the liabilities while the CEO and his gang walk away with all the assets in their personal portfolio

      Sort of like:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush

      Found a company (anybody can do that, costs almost nothing). Sell shares to some investors, attract a few big names. Run it into the ground so that it fails, but...

      Sell out to a second company who wants your goodwill (those big names) plus whatever assets you managed not to squander, become CEO of second company which also fails, and...

      Sell out to a third company who still wants that goodwill, those names, the top political cover (your daddy is president, after all), get a seat on the board of directors, and y'know, damned if that company doesn't start to suck wind and fail due to mismanagement as well. Alas, now there is no sugar daddy outside corporation willing to buy, the company is out of money but the stock is still sitting up there at optimistic prices because the ordinary shareholders do not yet know that the company is down to its few days worth of operating capital.

      Borrow money from a bank. Buy into a cushy deal that manages to both suck off money from the taxpayer and screw the actual owner of the land seized for the project. Ask counsel of that failing company that bought the failed company that bought the failed company you originally founded if selling off stock right before the company is about to run out of money is "insider trading". Counsel says yes, damn skippy it is, don't do it.

      Do it anyway, pay off loan and manage to pocket a quarter of a million actual profit right before the company loses 2/3 of its book value when the running-out-of-money-with-no-income-to-replace-it shit hits the fan. Wait a few years, cushy deal pays you $15 million dollars in profits -- not bad for return on three failed companies you personally ran or helped to run (you weren't on the board of the cushy deal -- by then everybody but the voters in Texas and the United States knew you were a complete klutz who lost money on every deal you actually ran or helped run). Even on this final deal there was nothing like an actual, honest profit in the payout. The taxpayers of Texas are still paying for the actual sports dome for the Rangers; the profit Bush realized was more or less paid directly from taxpayer pockets into his own, and who knows what the landowner ever got out of the deal (probably nothing)...

      The moral of this sad tale is that it isn't just a network of companies -- it is a network of people, all born into wealthy families, owning or controlling the large corporations, looking out for each other and protecting all of the "insiders" while shooting, burning, and clubbing the dead bodies until they stop twitching of all of the outsiders that seek to break in to this tiny enclave of wealth and power. These are the people that control the Fed. They control (or are) many of the governors, senators, presidents of our country. They own huge blocks of stock in the largest and most powerful companies or they sit on the board of directors and draw huge salaries because of their political influence. Insider trading is a way of life -- a wink is as good as a nod -- and make a profit (like Bush) from every failure where the ordinary shareholders lost wads of money.

      They exist, impervious in our society, simply because we lack the will to oppose them.

      rgb

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    11. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by yurtinus · · Score: 2

      Failed economies or failed corporations? The economic recessions in the 1800s (called "Panics" then) certainly did effect the common man with widespread unemployment and debt. We just don't hear as much about it because the "common man" at that time wasn't a middle class homeowner in the burbs. Also - just because a citizen is in agriculture doesn't make him self sufficient. How many families lost their farms during the depression? Land and machinery needs to be purchased somehow...

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    12. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by gknoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure I like the idea of telling the average citizen "you can protect yourself by being/hiring a bigger thug". We already saw how well that worked in the middle ages, and the ability to fly in Highly Paid and Well Armed mercenaries to squish locals makes the potential even worse now.

    13. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by Jawnn · · Score: 2

      WTF? Have you never studied, in even the most cursory fashion, history? The failing of an economy usually had a profound effect on the lives of "the common man". History is, if anything, repetitive when it comes to things economic. The move from a production-based economy to one built upon the buying and selling of currency or other things deriving their value therefrom, is a pretty reliable indicator that a society is about to fall hard. Sometimes that fall is so hard the the society, as it was predominantly defined, simply ceased to be. Other times it was a long, slow fall, where the empire became a shadow of it's former self. Watch and learn.

    14. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by LanMan04 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I *can't wait* to live in a warlord-run society! It's gonna be AWESOME! /totally agree with you

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    15. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by blahplusplus · · Score: 2

      "They exist, impervious in our society, simply because we lack the will to oppose them. "

      It's not merely that, it's the propaganda that goes along with it. How many Americans buy into the so called 'free market' and believe these people 'earned' their money? I'd say a good number of them want just to be like them in their own sick way. The poor and middle class in america see themselves as temporarily embarrassed rich people.

    16. Re:I'm actually suprised it's that many by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      temporarily embarrassed rich people... who just didn't happen to go to Yale, be a member of the Skulls fraternity, have the ex-Director of the CIA and President of the US for a daddy, and so on. In a way, they're right -- Sam Walton's kids are separated from the greeters that they hire and pay a pittance without benefits only by several billion dollars, a fair bit of nose candy, and the fact that sometimes the greeters are actually fairly nice people.

      But the Walton fortune is the exception. Even Gates is the exception. At least those guys did, in fact, break in and earn their money while not really being a part of "the system". The rule is General Electric, IBM, Bank of America, various megabanks and investment groups. The rule is Halliburton, Boeing, Ford Motor company. The rule is (fill in your favorite oil company here). The rule is (still) AT&T.

      I love capitalism -- moderately free enterprise beats the hell out of managed economies if only because the latter are invariably even less free and more entrenched. Capitalism is, however, seriously flawed in several ways. One is that without protection of the commons, it is an open invitation to exploit resources until they are gone (where things like "clean water" are merely resources to dump your waste in right up to the point where the water glows at night and makes people have babies that look like frogs, we're not just talking about strip mining and overfishing and growing tobacco on the land until nothing is left but bare red clay without a trace of actual nutrient value). Another is that money is easy to manipulate into more money, so that the rich get richer -- the playing field that needs to be level for Capitalism to be mostly beneficial to humans is warped into a castle at the top of a peak surrounded by a moat filled with sharks with laser beams by the first few winners of the game. This is where Microsoft has excelled in the past -- monopolies are almost impossible for entrepreneurs to break because they have all the money in the world to spend to defeat you (in the marketplace, in court) and you have no money at all to spend to win. Finally, humans in high office have empirically proven to be embarrassingly easy to bribe and buy off, all over the world. By themselves they are unproductive and of modest means, and companies with literally billions to spend purchasing legislation and discrete ways of raping the taxpayer and putting the money into favored corporate pockets don't hesitate to arrange it for their "friends" to become rich in untraceable ways.

      Like Bush. By rights, he should have been bankrupted three times over. Instead, he ends up with tens of millions of dollars (the more you have, the faster you make it, remember) from three failed companies and one minor insider trading episode (that we know of). Taxpayer money goes straight into his pocket, not because he is especially talented but because of who he knows, because of who his friends are, because the dealmakers knew that a future governor, a future president in your debt and possibly even blackmailable is worth a dozen other investors with more money but no connections.

      rgb

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  2. Correction. by Noryungi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have a global plutocracy, which the government of the richest, for the richest and by the richest.

    See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

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    1. Re:Correction. by Baloroth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We are? Huh, I wonder why the EPA still exists, then.

      Or maybe the richest of the rich, for that matter. You know, after paying about 35% of all income taxes in the US, you'd think the top 1% would try to get that changed. I could give a dozen other examples, like corporate regulation, anti-trust laws, etc.

      I am really, really sick of this meme on /. The world is not a plutocracy or an oligarchy or any of those things. The wealthy have a vast amount of power, yes, because you know what? They always have, and they always will. Because power money. Always. Even in states that try to establish communism, or in ancient Sparta (which didn't even have real money), the rich are powerful and the powerful are rich. It's a fact of life, and it will never change. The solution is not to get rid of rich people (which a lot of people seem to want now a days) because again, you can't.

      What is the solution? Make it in the rich people's best interest to have everyone else moderately well off. And this is capitalism, by (part of) Adam Smith's definition. It's a simple syllogism: people can only buy stuff from capitalist corporations if they have money. Corporations only make money if people buy their stuff. Therefore corporations (and by extension rich capitalists) need to make sure people have money. Doesn't always work perfectly, and government involvement if not careful can fuck it up royal, but I'd say living in the wealthiest period of human history is pretty damn good. Why the hell should I care if people get rich off it?

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    2. Re:Correction. by fleadope · · Score: 2

      Way to keep hawking that meme, Baloroth!

      The methodology used to come up with that 35% figure counts only the FEDERAL INCOME TAX, leaving out sales taxes, licenses, payroll taxes, local income taxes, state income taxes, property taxes, fees, tolls, energy taxes, etc... According to Citizens for Tax Justice, ( http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2009.pdf), when you take all of these taxes and fees into account, that 1% pays 23% of ALL taxes on 22.2% of ALL income -- not exactly representative of a progressive tax system.

      In addition, that same 1% controls 40% of the wealth in this country, which they supplement by raking in that 22.2% of income, along with returns on the investment of that wealth, which are taxed at a far lower rate. And don't get me started on carried interest!

      Now, we can argue about whether or not the tax system is fair, or working to advance the goals which we agree on. But to continue to trot out the trope that the poor wealthy are overburdened compared to the moochers at the bottom serves only to muddy the waters of any attempt at a rational discussion.

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    3. Re:Correction. by jfengel · · Score: 2

      Given their way, the EPA wouldn't exist. They dominate the world, but don't have absolute control.

      As it is, they've hamstrung the EPA as much as possible, and have outsourced a lot of manufacturing to avoid having to deal with it. If they were prevented from outsourcing, they'd probably have devoted even more effort to destroying the EPA. As it is, most of their favorite Presidential candidates would love to make the problem go away for them.

      It doesn't seem to many Americans as if we're living in the wealthiest period in history. Their income is declining, and hasn't increased in decades. That's not so noticeable most years, but it becomes obvious in a recession, where the lack of upward mobility suddenly becomes a vast jump in downward mobility.

      It is in rich people's interest to see that most people are moderately well off. If it weren't for explicitly redistributionist taxes, the genuinely poor would have eaten the rich decades ago. Short-sightedness means that people don't always do what's in their own best interest. There are better ways to fix the problem than explicit redistribution of wealth, but the rich fight all of them tooth and nail. In the limit case, it will happen with teeth and nails, and that's not good for anybody.

  3. Do we have a global oligarchy? by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this mean we have a global oligarchy

    I know it was meant to be rhetorical, but "YES." These statistics merely reinforce the intuition that we have all had for decades. In the modern day, oligarchy == democracy. Companies that are "too big to fail." This is why there are people flooding the streets with with signs saying "We are the 99%." Because it isn't the 99% that count.

    1. Re:Do we have a global oligarchy? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Sure it is. The 99% just has to learn to vote.

    2. Re:Do we have a global oligarchy? by PenquinCoder · · Score: 2

      Empty wallets leave nothing to 'protest' with.

    3. Re:Do we have a global oligarchy? by fredrated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except of course that we are the most lied-to, manipulated population on the planet. When the corporations can contribute unlimited funds to lying to and manipulating the public before an election, just how do you expect to get a fair election, i.e., an election based on the truth?

    4. Re:Do we have a global oligarchy? by flaming+error · · Score: 2

      > they would protest with their wallets

      How do you mean? Should they prematurely withdraw their 401(k) funds? Stop paying their mortgage? Stop buying gasoline?

  4. Better that it's fewer by concealment · · Score: 2

    With 147 corporations, you have a chance to watch them all.

    With 14,700 corporations you'd have no chance.

    1. Re:Better that it's fewer by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With 14,700 corporations you'd have no chance.

      A remarkably dumb thing to say. Concentration of wealth and power is far more of a problem than the modest complexity of having more businesses to regulate.

    2. Re:Better that it's fewer by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      you have a chance to watch them all.

      No, you have no chance. Because the people you hire to watch them will be corrupted immediately, and you will be watching only what they want you to see. You have a lot to learn about human nature.

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  5. Global Oligarchy? by hellfire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes.

    Next Question: How do we topple it?

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    1. Re:Global Oligarchy? by mikazo · · Score: 2

      We could start by reforming the monetary systems that most countries operate on. Banks essentially get to print money out of thin air and collect interest on it. For more info, see http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/

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    2. Re:Global Oligarchy? by erroneus · · Score: 2

      LAWS.

      You don't topple it. The French revolution thought as you do. Cut off some heads and let some new heads take their place. The result is only temporarily satisfying.

      All these people do what it natural for them to do -- even kill. We have laws against killing because without them, we would most certainly all be killing one another quite frequently. In order for a large group of humans to coexist, we have to have laws (and enforcement) which limit the harm any one human can do to another or to the masses. Lately, these groups have been buying laws and having old, limiting laws removed.

      We just need to put the old laws back and remove the new laws. Then we won't see such problems.

      We have people here who believe it is morally wrong to limit the potential of certain individuals with exceptional potential... to let them earn what "they deserve" and so on. I agree with this sentiment with limits. If an individual or group of individuals have the potential to control the global food supply, I would have to say "no, that's a really bad idea." The same goes for other critical resources. We know what happens when such situations occur. We don't need to wait for massive death and suffering to occur in each instance before we do something about it. We're humans with brains -- we can observe patterns, understand them and use this information to predict the future with great accuracy.

      Toppling these great world leaders is not necessary. They just need their power limited. To do that, we need to separate the money from the government.

  6. We still have more than 100? by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Funny

    And The Onion was sure they'd have all merged to just form one giant corporation by now:

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/just-six-corporations-remain,551/

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    1. Re:We still have more than 100? by AdamJS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give it time. As an above poster mentioned, it's quite surprising that there's such a high number. It's very likely that the power is really consolidated into a fractional few, especially with all the collusion going on.

  7. No. by imric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It seems as soon as someone gets elected to Congress, they are immediately bought by the wealthy elite to represent their interests."

    They can't get that far without being bought and paid for in the first place.

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  8. Global Olivearchy by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    Global olivearchy.

    1% of Olive farmers control over 50% of the world's olives.

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  9. What a silly question! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...does this mean we have a global oligarchy?

    Of course it does! That's why the middle class is shrinking over most of the globe - those who have power and money are doing their damnedest to concentrate both in their own hands, and the most efficient way to do that is to co-operate among themselves and work together to achieve world domination. And the fastest route to domination is via absolute economic control.

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  10. Corporations alone can't hurt or control you by TonyXL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A corporation alone cannot harm or control you. It can only do that with the help of government.

    1. Re:Corporations alone can't hurt or control you by mrquagmire · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, I'm sure that corporations left to their own devices would never cause us any harm.

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    2. Re:Corporations alone can't hurt or control you by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the point is that a company by itself is relatively harmless, but when it gets the power of government behind it, it can cause huge problems.

      This is similar to individuals. Sure, a single person can stab you, but the damage he can do is limited. It's only when he gets the full backing of government that he can cause real problems (think of any corrupt police chief, or Sheriff Joe).

      When a company gets the backing of government, it becomes a predatory company, without accountability, because the government who is supposed to be watching it is motivated to make it succeed.

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    3. Re:Corporations alone can't hurt or control you by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      governments gave

      Just proved his point.

      Corporations are not "persons" nor should they have ever been given that status. They are a "legal entity" that does NOT have human rights, and when courts give equal treatment to a corporation to that of a citizen or person, they have diluted our natural rights as humans, and diminished Liberty in the process.

      Until society collectively starts using terminology like this effectively, all you'll end up with is a bunch of Commie Pinkos Stinking up parks around the country "Occupying" without a clear goal or message. Yes, I've seen the "goals" listed on various sites, and I doubt those people in those camps could coherently recite them, let alone give any sort of lucid explanation of them.

      All they will do is parrot talking points, at least while they aren't raping their tent mates or sniffing some stranger's feet.

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  11. No, it doesn't mean there's a global oligarchy by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

    No. It does not mean there's a global oligarchy. For one thing, many of these are publicly traded companies. So individuals do have some input. They may have very little, but it does exist. Moreover, a 147 entities is actually quite a lot. And many of those companies are in direct competition with each other. So while it is true that many of these companies own stock in each other, they aren't close to controlling each other in any reasonable sense. If the various bailouts are any indication, one doesn't need a mysterious oligarchy to control governments. Old-fashioned lobbying works just fine.

    1. Re:No, it doesn't mean there's a global oligarchy by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      What individuals? Most of these companies are not directly held by shareholders, but by various kinds of investment groups and institutional investors? If that's a democracy, then it's an absolutely horrible kind, rather like voting for the guy that votes for the guy who votes for thehttp://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/24/1542240/the-147-corporations-controlling-most-of-the-global-economy# guy who votes for the guy who makes the decisions.

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    2. Re:No, it doesn't mean there's a global oligarchy by TheSync · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For one thing, many of these are publicly traded companies.

      More importantly, what can corporations really control?

      Could Microsoft "control" you into buying Zune?

      Was it Apple's "control" of the global capitalist infrastructure that made the iPhone popular, or did they just meet the needs of their customers?

      At the end of the day, customers control these companies more than anything else.

      Certainly organized special interest groups of all kinds (AARP, NRA, AFL-CIO, etc.) do exert an influence on government, and I'd argue that most attempts to "regulate" industry are captured by incumbents to make it easier for them by making it harder for new entrants in the markets. This also applies to campaign finance "reform".

      But at the end of the day, if you don't have a product or service that customers want to buy, your company is dead, regardless of how much of the global capitalist infrastructure it controls.

    3. Re:No, it doesn't mean there's a global oligarchy by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How absurd,

      No, of course Microsoft cannot "control" me into buying a Zune. What does that have do to with a chemical corporation controlling congressmen into quietly passing a bill that waives environmental restrictions on dumping toxins into a river? Or prison corporations controlling lobbyists that push for harsher Marijuana laws to expand their prisons? Or every single law passed by "OUR" government being ghost-written by corporate lobbyists?

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    4. Re:No, it doesn't mean there's a global oligarchy by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can Monsanto control you into wanting to eat food?

      Can you teach them a lesson by refusing to eat food?

  12. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But most of those companies have thousands of owners, not just one. They're probably in your 401(k) or pension plan.

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  13. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by Hatta · · Score: 2

    So a powerful 1% owns 40% of the global wealth...

    And in America, a powerful 1% owns 35% of national wealth.

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  14. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But most of those companies have thousands of owners, not just one.

    Someone who owns 0.000000000000000001% of a company because he has 100 shares is not an "owner", but an investor. The owners are the banks and the founders, that hold real percentages of the corporation. The little guys just exist as a convenient way to raise capital, and they are the first to take the fall, getting wiped out first if the company goes south. Once in a while the company will throw them a bone in the form of dividends. And once in a while, depending on the company and the share type, these "owners" will be given the illusion of a vote. In the most free case they can choose between pre-determined agenda #1 or pre-determined agenda #2. When they get too annoying their ownership share simply gets diluted. However they certainly do not get to choose what the CEO has for dinner tonight on the company credit card, or what luxury hotel suite he stays in.

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  15. Crony Capitalism by caffinatedmouse · · Score: 2

    We don't have a global oligarchy, we have a terrible case of crony capitalism where the ones that control the world are Goldman Sachs, and the Primary Dealers (the banks that sell the Treasury's debt) have an unfair leg up. The corporatism auctioning our governments and soldiers lives to the companies that fund the pockets of politicians has to stop. It is the reason the Tea Party started and the reason that #occupy is so large at this point. However, it's important to understand exactly what the problem is and why. That's why Ron Paul is doing so well. He's the only guy that understands economics. Unfortunately, he's not a good looking shiny figure on stage that will appeal to the "Access Hollywood" obsessed populace. These 147 institutions have pushed the risk from the corporate balance sheet to the sovereign balance sheet under the guise of systemic risk. Unfortunately, unless meaningful change is brought, not partisan bullshit, it will likely bring the end of a country or two, and definitely a bunch of currency systems.

    Who is to blame? Well about every president, senator and congressman over the last 30 years, with few exceptions.

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  16. Global financial war by swb · · Score: 2

    It's probably paranoid, but I keep thinking that in 50 years it will be leaked out that the "great downturn of 2007-201x" was actually the result of a global financial war fought by Anglo-American banking interests on one side and a Sino-Arab consortium on the other side.

    The US government & Federal Reserve backed the banks not because they were too big to fail but because of the national security implications of losing control over world financial markets.

    The housing and stock bubbles were failed attempts by the banking cartels to create wealth to keep up with the growth of the Chinese economy and the spiraling income of oil producers in the face of stagnant wage growth and industry within the US and the UK.

    The war in Iraq wasn't about terrorism but about creating chaos in the center of Arabian Asia to disrupt OPEC.

    I'm making all this up, but it seems to have a strange believability to it.

  17. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Those companies which are publicly traded have thousands of owners, but a very small number of people have majority control over those companies which are publicly traded. My 401(k) plan holds a few shares of Walmart, but if I disagree with what the Waltons want to do, the company will go with the Waltons. Even if I get thousands of small shareholders together, Walmart will still do what the Waltons want it to do.

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  18. Re:Absolutely. by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If someone is getting filthy rich by corrupting the political system and through financial trickery to game the system in their favor, that doesn't strike me as the same thing as making your wealth via the sweat of your hands. The problem is that a good portion of those at the top of the food chain are not making their vast wealth via the poetic "sweat of the brow" that is such a big part of the American mythos, but are doing it by cheating and stealing, and buying off the political classes, or at the very least overawing them with notions of "too big to fail."

    At some point big money and liberty will inevitably collide, and by basically just jumping over the issue by making believe that a fair number of the most extremely wealthy are in fact making that wealth through nefarious means, you're allowing ideology to lead you by the nose, straight into the abyss.

    In the olden days, it was recognized that there was were aristocratic and noble classes, and from there could stem some degree of control. The West, by essentially eradicating those classes, has basically allowed them to be recreated, but now philosophically and ideologically seems incapable of applying the same rules that once applied. The idea of noblesse oblige, at least created an underlying idea that those of wealth and privilege owed the lower classes something for their labors, even if it was frequently ignored.

    Now essentially we have an aristocracy built on pure greed, that speaks the language of economic egalitarianism, in fact feel themselves quite independent of society. They have encouraged economic and social libertarianism simply because it improves their bottom line. It is essentially a sociopathic aristocracy, and just how long do you think that can go on? At some, as the French Revolution showed, you'll break too many backs, and all these quaint notions of economic and social liberty, of getting rich the old-fashioned way, and offering empty platitudes like "in American you can be whatever you work to accomplish" will no longer sell. Do you think the West has become invulnerable to class warfare?

    Right now, it's just crazy hippies and college students bitching about Wall Street. But if there isn't found a way to wrest some political control from the new aristocracy, it will get ugly, and then we'll end up with an awful system like Communism that nobody wants.

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  19. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Pension plans are bigger than you think. Perhaps you missed a relevant slashdot article detailing the power that pension plans toy with.

    More than a few pension plans are individually bigger than Apple in terms of net worth. Combined the pension plans probably rival the combined wealth of the fortune-500's... in other words they are not to be shrugged off like you are attempting to do.

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  20. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by Hatta · · Score: 2

    Yes, that's a nice bit of leverage for Wall Street. "Do as we say or your retirement gets it!"

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  21. Re:Facts by mcmonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have tried in the past to suggest this and no one seemed to get it. Frankly I think we need to dump the Occupy and the Tea Party and bring back the Bull Moose party. Just read up and Teddy Roosevelt and his square deal. Take his basic concepts and goals and update them for the 21st century. He as far from perfect but he had some good ideas about limit the power of big business the betterment of the nation. Frankly if you think that what one of the greatest Republican presidents did 100 years ago is too liberal.... Well you have issues.

    That's a tall order, considering the folks now in control of the Republican party think what a Republican president did 40 years ago is too liberal. (Nixon and the EPA and Clean Water Act)

  22. Wall Street issues our money supply, too by nido · · Score: 2

    Under the Federal Reserve system, money is only created when someone takes out a loan. If Federal Reserve Notes were truthfully labeled, they would all say This Bill Was BORROWED From Wall Street. This is why it was so important to bail out the banking system: no bankers, no money.

    Nothing says "oligarchy" like having an entire economy by its balls.

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  23. Global Zaibutsu by sgt+scrub · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although zaibatsu existed from the 19th century, the term was not in common use until after World War I. By definition, the "zaibatsu" were large family-controlled vertical monopolies consisting of a holding company on top, with a wholly owned banking subsidiary providing finance, and several industrial subsidiaries dominating specific sectors of a market, either solely, or through a number of sub-subsidiary companies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu

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  24. Going to have to get our governments back first... by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which means instead of lampooning organizations like the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street we need to take from them the best of their ideas and act on it.

    It means for Americans doing your best to get candidates who do not have a D or R next to their name some traction.

    It means for those in Europe figuring out how to get out from under Brussels - best of luck, I don't know your politics.

    Whatever it is, you won't do it through tax laws so please no, they need to pay more, corporations merely hide the heavy taxation the population is under, see indirect taxes.

    So, anytime you see a politician wanting to expand your benefits be wary, the money comes from somewhere and if its not paid its owed and those to whom we owe call the shots.

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  25. The top 22 of the 147 superconnected companies by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Note that most of these are banks, which means ultimately they are controlled by their depositors. I tried to look up how much each of them controls, but it isn't really clear what 'control' means, although it's really important. Remember that if you looked at it another way, the three largest countries in the world 'control' nearly half the worlds wealth (measured by GDP); but if you actually dig into that statistic, it's not as scary as it seems on the surface.

    Anyway, here's the list:
    1. Barclays plc
    2. Capital Group Companies Inc
    3. FMR Corporation
    4. AXA
    5. State Street Corporation
    6. JP Morgan Chase & Co
    7. Legal & General Group plc
    8. Vanguard Group Inc
    9. UBS AG
    10. Merrill Lynch & Co Inc
    11. Wellington Management Co LLP
    12. Deutsche Bank AG
    13. Franklin Resources Inc
    14. Credit Suisse Group
    15. Walton Enterprises LLC
    16. Bank of New York Mellon Corp
    17. Natixis
    18. Goldman Sachs Group Inc
    19. T Rowe Price Group Inc
    20. Legg Mason Inc
    21. Morgan Stanley
    22. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc

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  26. You have to understand economics by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And not the Keynesian cargo cult economics which is so prevalent.

    To start with, go find out what money is.
     

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  27. Stupid Headline by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The 147 Corporations Controlling Most of the Global Economy"

    Then we find out that it's 147 banks that control 40% of the financial sector.

    How is this controlling most of the global economy? The financial sector is about 30% of the global economy, and these banks control 40% of that.

    It's more like the top 147 banks control 12% of the global economy.

    1. Re:Stupid Headline by taucross · · Score: 2

      In order to be a part of the global economy, one must have money. Banks create money. So whilst they may not have direct control of the money once it is in the economy, they have the power to create it and take it away. Would you consider that a form of control?

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  28. Re:If that doesn't put it in perspective by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 2

    Then don't buy stuff from Walmart, as many don't.

    I am not sure if you have been to BFE US of A, but in most places, there is only a Walmart. That's it. There isn't a Target down the street. Or a local business, at least not anymore. Ordering online for groceries simply isn't an option for most people.

    Those people need help. Those people need choices and they simple cannot do anything about their situation on their own.

  29. This seems like shameless demagogy by dtjohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trotting out a list of financial companies and then doing a pseudo-technical analysis to establish that they 'control' the economy seems like nothing but an effort at demagogy. For example, stockbrokers ALWAYS exercise a measure of control because most of their clients choose to have the stockbrokers retain their shares and vote them on their behalf. Similarly, every bank always exercises 'control' of the funds that you have on deposit so what would be suspicious is if there was a large bank that was NOT on the list. Everyone wants to hate financial companies when they have less wealth than they feel like they are entitled to. There will always be a few large financial companies in 'control' of the economy unless we enact legislation that limits the maximum size of financial companies in which case we would have more financial companies exercising control of the economy but nothing else otherwise much different. The alternative to having financial companies in 'control' of the economy is to have everyone keep their money in the form of gold bullion in their mattress (been there, done that) which would result in a shrunken world economy driven by barter or to have a huge government apparatus in 'control' (been there, done that too.)

  30. The free market was executed in 1913 by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    Taken out and shot.
     

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  31. Re:Required Viewing by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    David Icke is a nut who believes in lizard people.
     

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  32. More like a hostage situation by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they threatened to take our economy with them. I suppose the gov't could have let them die, then stepped in to keep the economy going. But you wouldn't have liked that either, would you?

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  33. Re:Absolutely. by epine · · Score: 2

    You know, when Galois laid to rest long standing questions in geometric construction, a geometer might view this as closing the book on a vexing mystery, whereas a different mathematician might choose to regard this as opening a whole new book.

    In this regard, Adam Smith suffers terribly: his loud acolytes regard Smith as a good place to stop thinking, only the quieter acolytes regard Smith as a good place to start thinking. I regard myself as the later. I've never been moved to sell the Adam Smith sermon of capitalistic virtue, despite lodging him in a bunk bed above Evariste Galois in my personal pantheon of stellar insight.

    Much of this boils down to boxes of economic autonomy. Under slavery or feudalism, wealth aggregation reaches staggering pinnacles, but total wealth hits a glass ceiling in total capacity of the system to navigate local complexity. The enlightenment brought us this giant new box of autonomy called liberty, the original root of Liberalism. The main dispute in the camps that spun off is whether you are more concerned with liberty from the church, or more concerned with liberty from the state.

    Back in Adam Smith's day, the box of liberty--if you could get one--was a large and spacious box--like a pre-Carly office cubicle at Hewlett Packard.

    In the modern world, we've since learned how to machine the box of liberty down to much smaller dimensions--in ways Adam Smith did not anticipate in its particulars--down to very small indeed: an electorate with nothing much to elect on the increasingly steep treadmill of middle-class comfort.

    I'm not saying the autonomy that remains is of no great value, much to the contrary. But the pinch of circumstance certainly takes much of the glow out of the Adam Smith sermon for the vast majority of the population. Recently they've noticed; what terrible umbrage.

    For the people who like to stop thinking at Adam Smith, it does function as an admirable defense against economic nerd sniping. What little we can do to bulk up our nest eggs is certainly not aided by sitting around on a backwards moving conveyor asking how Adam Smith might be brought to a mature fruition by Abel, Jacobi, Dirichlet, Hamilton, Weierstrauss, or Cayley.

    Yet some of us persist in this endeavour of scant wallet-stuffing prospect.

  34. I HAZ A PLAN! by MOtisBeard · · Score: 2

    So, what are we going to do about it?

    The OWS movement is encouraging in that it shows that people are waking up to the fact of corporate oligarchy, but it lacks any clear agenda. Even if OWS or some other grassroots movement toppled the government tomorrow, we'd undoubtedly get something even worse to replace it. If OWS does develop a clear agenda, it might incite some serious reform, but we'll still be just cogs in the corporate machine even if we're happier with our working conditions. A slave on a plantation with a full belly and nice clothes and good healthcare is still a slave on a plantation.

    We need a solution that doesn't require a huge amount of money, weaponry, or other resources. We need a solution that doesn't require violence or even any law-breaking. We need a solution that a small number of people can implement, anywhere in the nation (and in most parts of the world). We could try to abandon society and build our own, but that would be leaving an awful lot of people behind. . . we need a solution that allows us to stand our ground, band together, and deal with the oligarchy from a position of power.

    I say: When life gives you corporate oligarchy. . . incorporate!

    My solution is a sort of chewy Communist nougat center with a crunchy delicious Capitalist shell.

    Imagine thirty or forty people getting together and pooling their resources to buy or lease some real estate (a high school campus in Detroit would be perfect, but it could be anywhere). They form an umbrella corporation that acts as their collective face to the outside world, and provides business administration services to members of the community. Those members of the community who have their own businesses or who want to start their own businesses are freed to do the work they really want to do, while the umbrella corporation handles the drudgery common to all businesses, like payroll and taxes and human resources and so on. Those who are not ready to start their own businesses provide a labor pool for those who are.

    The gross income of everyone's entrepreneurial pursuits goes to the umbrella corporation, which pays all the expenses of the various businesses. The umbrella corporation also pays for things like rent/mortgage of communal living spaces, utilities, medical insurance for members of the collective, etc. What's left over is divvied up as profit sharing, with the umbrella corporation itself taking a share. The umbrella corporation uses its share of the income to expand into new businesses, and to improve living conditions for the collective. Shares for members of the collective are calculated by share-hours; for example, if the collective has 100 members who work a combined total of 500 hours in a particular week generating a net income of $100,000, then everyone gets paid $20 for each hour they worked that week ($100,000/500 work-hours = $20 per share-hour). . . so everyone gets the same, but those who go the extra mile and put the long hours in get rewarded for working harder. Since everyone's income is directly dependent on everyone else's productivity, any tendency toward laziness and shirking and gaming the system is corrected on a peer-to-peer basis.

    Some members of the collective are paid to be janitorial staff, so there's never any controversy over whose turn it is to clean up, or over who left the mess in the common area. If someone in the collective wants to run a restaurant, the other members can eat there free, subsidized by the umbrella corporation. If we don't have a restaurant, the umbrella corporation pays someone to shop for groceries and cook. . . so there are never any "who ate my food?" arguments, because it's OUR food and it's someone's job to make sure we have plenty on hand.

    If a member of the collective fails at their chosen business, the collective absorbs their labor into some other business until they can regroup and try again or try something different. That person still gets a paycheck, still gets fed, st

  35. For the record... by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Bill Gates was a trust fund baby. His dad was a wealthy business lawyer, and Bill used those contacts to get in with IBM. Didn't you ever wonder how a fresh faced nerd boy made it with the big leagues? I'll give you Sam Walton though. Near as I can tell he was the first guy to realize Americans would prefer to buy cheap crap instead of well built merchandise.

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