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Nationwide Test of the Emergency Broadcast System

First time accepted submitter PattonPending writes "Mark your calendars! On November 9th national communications will be disrupted for around 3 minutes during the first nationwide test of the emergency broadcast system. From the article: 'On November 9, at 2 PM EST, FEMA will transmit the EAS code for national level emergencies to Primary Entry Point (PEP) stations in the national level of the EAS. The PEP stations will then rebroadcast the alert to the general public in their broadcast vicinity, as well as to the next level of EAS Participants monitoring them. This should continue through all levels of the system, until the national alert has been distributed throughout the entire country.'"

271 comments

  1. Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by elrous0 · · Score: 2

    Cue inevitable future headline "Anonymous Hacks FEMA System, Broadcasts Godzilla Attack Warning Across U.S."

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    1. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt our program of dance music to bring you a special bulletin from the Intercontinental Radio News. At twenty minutes before eight, central time, Professor Farrell of the Mount Jennings Observatory, Chicago, Illinois, reports observing several explosions of incandescent gas, occurring at regular intervals on the planet Mars. The spectroscope indicates the gas to be hydrogen and moving towards the earth with enormous velocity. Professor Pierson of the Observatory at Princeton confirms Farrell's observation, and describes the phenomenon as (quote) "like a jet of blue flame shot from a gun" (unquote). We now return you to the music of Ramón Raquello, playing for you in the Meridian Room of the Park Plaza Hotel, situated in downtown New York. "

    2. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by circletimessquare · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by durrr · · Score: 1

      The latest, to my knowledge, in conspiracy circles is a false flag alien attack, as a fix to both the economy and to grab power.
      Now I don't know about powergrabbing, but given the previous display of incomptetent economy fixes it doesn't sound all that unlikely they'd try this one too.

    4. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

      Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    5. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It could be worse. The hackers could put an email about the death of Stephen King.

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    6. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damn classy, sir.

    7. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Godzilla? Anonymous could surely broadcast something more fitting to their symbolism.

      Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine — the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke...

      and so forth.

    8. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good evening, America. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of the everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration - whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday - I thought we could mark this November the fifth, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.

    9. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Hopefully it will look more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

    10. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's with this"first nationwide test."? Back in the 50's and sixties, the radio and TV were interrupted regularly for "a test of the emergency broadcast system." Do you mean those were just little local tests to make us sheeple feel protected? Yep, they probably were. And what's more, they never told us whether they passed or failed the test, just that "this concludes the test of the emergency broadcast system."

    11. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HACK THE PLANET!!!! The movie Hackers might have been on to something ;)

    12. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by Sylak · · Score: 1

      Actually, I know that a Godzilla alert, unlike a test, would not set off the EAS at the radio station that i'm at present engineer of

    13. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Fat chance in the US. More likely it will be like this.

    14. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by swalve · · Score: 1

      It doesn't take Anonymous to hack the system. More than once the elderly morning DJ at WGN (the top of the EBS pyramid in the Chicago area) would hit the wrong button and accidentally broadcast a Chrysler ad to the entire midwest, on every frequency.

    15. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by swalve · · Score: 1

      I don't know what they were doing then, but those tests as the run now are just local station tests. They hit the test button on their EBS machine and make sure it switches the program stream over to the recording on the machine. Every once in a blue moon, I'll hear a statewide one with the governor's voice.

    16. Re:Now THERE'S a system you don't want hacked by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I imagine all broadcasts would be interrupted with

      I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes

  2. I wonder: by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did they pick 11/9 for this on purpose?

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    1. Re:I wonder: by MagicM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes and no. FTFA:

      The November 9 date is near the end of hurricane season and before the severe winter weather season begins in earnest. The 2 PM EST broadcast time will minimize disruption during rush hours, while ensuring that the test occurs during working hours across the United States.

    2. Re:I wonder: by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      Of course. It's 9-1-1 backwards. Duh.

      No because its 9/11 in Europe!

    3. Re:I wonder: by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "The 2 PM EST broadcast time will minimize disruption during rush hours,"

      In CST and MST it will be lunchtime rush hours.. But I don't suppose FEMA give a sh!t about the middle of the country.

      "while ensuring that the test occurs during working hours across the United States."

      I work night shift you insensitive clods!

      (But actually I'd rather not be at work when theres one of those test alerts - its bad enough trying to explain a real storm to some of the confused residents.

    4. Re:I wonder: by gknoy · · Score: 2

      "The 2 PM EST broadcast time will minimize disruption during rush hours,"

      In CST and MST it will be lunchtime rush hours.. But I don't suppose FEMA give a sh!t about the middle of the country.

      Neither do natural disasters. A rush hour test of the EAS would likely be pretty useful.

    5. Re:I wonder: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe IS backward. Especially Greace.

    6. Re:I wonder: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But at least they can spell.

    7. Re:I wonder: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since they got away with the last one -- get ready for a nuclear 911, courtesy of our Israeli friends.

      A "sinister, unholy alliance between the Iranian government and American militia groups" will detonate one or more nukes in Midwestern cities.

    8. Re:I wonder: by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      I imagine the test (like tests of the public broadcasting system) will start with something like: "This is only a test". Though I bet if you went into a theater and yelled "This is a test! Fire!" people would still panic.

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    9. Re:I wonder: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did they pick 11/9 for this on purpose?

      9/11

  3. Perfect time for an incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just like when I was a kid, I wondered what would happen if the Russians launched a strike at noon on a Wednesday, which is when the Civil Defense siren on top of our school was tested.

    1. Re:Perfect time for an incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except this is a test of the system itself, not a scenario or exercise on our response to the system

      I thought that was the point OP was trying to make. Since we all know it's just a test, would seem to be the perfect time for some 3rd party to actually try something.

    2. Re:Perfect time for an incident by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      A few years back I was a consultant at a factory. They had scheduled drills every Tuesday. Different patterns meant different parts of the factory had to evacuate. On those Tuesdays there was the 10:00am normal dill then a 2:00pm test drill on a particular location. One day the 2:00 drill went off so we went to our normal business but it went on for longer so we knew that we needed to leave.

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    3. Re:Perfect time for an incident by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This is why it's good to have, in addition to the sirens, loudspeakers over which an announcer can speak. Then you can have the announcer say "this is not a drill"; any time you hear that phrase, you know there's a real emergency.

      The loudspeakers can also be useful for other things, like if specific instructions need to be given.

    4. Re:Perfect time for an incident by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      All evacuation tests should include a $100 award to the first 10% of people to reach the safety point, plus a couple of disruptive people like mothers fighting against the flow of traffic to reunite with seperated children. It's more realistic then.

    5. Re:Perfect time for an incident by sexconker · · Score: 1

      This is why it's good to have, in addition to the sirens, loudspeakers over which an announcer can speak. Then you can have the announcer say "this is not a drill"; any time you hear that phrase, you know there's a real emergency.

      The loudspeakers can also be useful for other things, like if specific instructions need to be given.

      Then we'd need to test the loudspeaker and people's actions when they hear "this is not a drill".
      I suggest "This is really not a drill." for actual emergencies.

    6. Re:Perfect time for an incident by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So the winners are the people who work closest to the exits. And are not working on something that needs to be exited safely?

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    7. Re:Perfect time for an incident by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      To allow for panic. Drills are nice and orderly - but when the smoke starts coming out the air vents, that orderly evacuation might become a stampede.

  4. The message to be sent by pavon · · Score: 1

    Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt our program of dance music to bring you a special bulletin from the Intercontinental Radio News. At twenty minutes before eight, central time, Professor Farrell of the Mount Jennings Observatory, Chicago, Illinois, reports observing several explosions of incandescent gas, occurring at regular intervals on the planet Mars. The spectroscope indicates the gas to be hydrogen and moving towards the earth with enormous velocity. Professor Pierson of the Observatory at Princeton confirms Farrell's observation, and describes the phenomenon as (quote) like a jet of blue flame shot from a gun (unquote). We now return you to the music of RamÃn Raquello, playing for you in the Meridian Room of the Park Plaza Hotel, situated in downtown New York.

  5. Did you notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a /. button on THEIR PAGE.

    1. Re:Did you notice? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      that is actually surprising to me.

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  6. FItting quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cereal Killer: I kinda feel like God.

    1. Re:FItting quote... by JSC · · Score: 1

      Cerial Killer is a hacker, not a phone-phreak!

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  7. Obligatory by Monchanger · · Score: 5, Funny

    On November 9th national communications will be disrupted...

    A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

    1. Re:Obligatory by garcia · · Score: 1

      A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

      That for three minutes people realize they could be outside or reading a book? No, instead the nation will groan as a collective unit and curse the government.

    2. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invasion

    3. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

      That for three minutes people realize they could be outside or reading a book? No, instead the nation will groan as a collective unit and curse the government.

      I second that. Your statement, that is ;)

    4. Re:Obligatory by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      On November 9th national communications will be disrupted...

      A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

      Yes, Invasion.

      Seriously though, I'm so dis-connected from FEMA controlled broadcast media that I won't notice the disruption at all.

    5. Re:Obligatory by X3J11 · · Score: 1

      A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

      invasion.

      I don't know what's worse, that I knew what you were quoting, or that you dared quote such a horrible piece of [expletive deleted] on Slashdot.

      WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?

    6. Re:Obligatory by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      As well they should, for wasting money on a useless system. What sort of catastrophy would affect the entirety of continental US that would also leave any of us alive? The only message that would make any sense would be, "Please put you head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye." The only way this could be used in reality is a way to further scare the sheeple into obeyance.

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    7. Re:Obligatory by jrmcferren · · Score: 1

      I actually intend to listen to the test and possibly record it as it will hopefully be the only time I ever hear them issue an Emergency Action Notification as this first test will come across as a REAL national emergency until the test message starts.

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    8. Re:Obligatory by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Outside reading a book... in November?

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    9. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electromagnetic Pulse Bomb (Russia had it during the Cold War, safe to assume that China and N. Korea at least have it now). Coordinated conventional or dirty bomb attacks on multiple major US cities. Declaration of war against the United States by another country. OPEC closing up shop. Coronal Mass Ejection heading directly toward Earth. Declaration of war *by* the United States against another country. The entire cast of this season's "Dancing With The Stars" being killed by a disgruntled contestant/fan. Coordinated attack against the nation's power grid. Government computers go down and Social Security checks can't go out for more than a week. The currency is devalued. Mandatory Bank Holiday. SLASHDOT IS DOWN!!1! I could go on.

    10. Re:Obligatory by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      It's always supposed to be national... Since the system was established in cold war days. It hasn't really been practical to fully test ALL of it at the same time before.

    11. Re:Obligatory by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      I think that line is fair game. It is said during a pre-walkout scene.

    12. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Garcia, with a number as low as yours (tip of the hat BTW) you should know what Monchanger was referencing. Go back and watch episode one.

    13. Re:Obligatory by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      At 2PM, Skynet will become self aware.

    14. Re:Obligatory by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Garcia, with a number as low as yours (tip of the hat BTW) you should know what Monchanger was referencing. Go back and watch episode one.

      Garcia, don't do it! It's a tr... um. It's a bad movie!

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    15. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    16. Re:Obligatory by swalve · · Score: 1

      I am so sick of fucking skeptics. There are plenty of reasons why the President would need to speak to the entire country, immediately, that aren't "kiss your ass goodbye".

      You will always know the skeptic in the crowd. He is the guy dating someone's mom, wearing jorts or worn, pleated Dockers shorts, an XXXL polo shirt with pictures of classic cars, trains or game animals on it. He will either be wearing K-Mart sneakers with velcro straps OR deck shoes and a cane. He's the guy who shows up to someone's birthday party (or christening or wedding) with some kind of "look at me" gimmick. Classic car, motorcycle or something like that. Perhaps a turban or inappropriate cummerbund. (Note: when wearing a cummerbund, he WILL be the one to mention that the pleats go up to catch crumbs.)

      He is the guy who at any picnic will announce that hotdogs are lips and assholes.

    17. Re:Obligatory by swalve · · Score: 1

      That's actually a concern. Broadcast radio and TV are no longer ubiquitous enough for these sorts of national emergency kinds of things.

    18. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On November 9th national communications will be disrupted...

      A communications disruption can mean only one thing...

      Jam! I hate strawberries.

    19. Re:Obligatory by nschubach · · Score: 1

      The currency is devalued. Mandatory Bank Holiday.

      Great, C-SPAN 24/7.

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    20. Re:Obligatory by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I am so sick of fucking skeptics. There are plenty of reasons why the President would need to speak to the entire country, immediately, that aren't "kiss your ass goodbye".

      Re-election campaign? I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason why everyone would need to be informed at the exact same time for any particular message. They used to do those announcements at my former workplace when they were cutting jobs.

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    21. Re:Obligatory by Mindflux0 · · Score: 1

      Well, considering you want this system to work in the whole country and to be able to be triggered by the government in Washington, how else would you set the system up? Would you really set up a system that couldn't be triggered all at once? Would that be in any way easier or preferable?

      Sure, the number of things that would actually effect the whole country are pretty limited...nuclear fallout...invasion...other extremely unlikely things but you still want the system to work everywhere, why wouldn't you test it like this?

  8. Well, of course... by G-Man · · Score: 1

    ...Obama wants it ready for when he declares martial law! I kid, I kid (at least I think I'm kidding...)

    1. Re:Well, of course... by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1

      Considering his track record, you might not be far from the truth.

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    2. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly; given his track record (just ignore anything that comes out of his mouth, and look at what he does instead), I wouldn't be surprised at all if Obama declared martial law.

    3. Re:Well, of course... by denobug · · Score: 1

      If you look at what Abraham Lincoln needs to do during the Civil War and not paying attention to his message, you would come to the same conclusion also.

    4. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Lincoln didn't need to do anything; he should have just let the southern states go. He's responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 people. If Obama tries to do anything similar, hopefully someone will take him out before too many lives are lost.

    5. Re:Well, of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, the South is blameless for starting the war by

      a) secession
      b) firing on a federal fort

      Right, it's the "War of Northern Agression".

      go f*ck yourself.

    6. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

      a) What's wrong with secession? I guess you're against self-determination? By your logic, the British would have been correct to invade the colonies and kill everyone.
      b) Firing on a Federal fort: admittedly wrong, but that's no excuse for murdering 620,000 people. Do you also think someone assassinating some stupid Archduke is justification for killing millions in a giant war?

      Go fuck yourself, AC.

    7. Re:Well, of course... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Lincoln didn't need to do anything; he should have just let the southern states go. He's responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 people. If Obama tries to do anything similar, hopefully someone will take him out before too many lives are lost.

      The fun thing about history is that any jackhole can go back and say "No, it really happened this way because I'm stupid and I want to believe this. Also, let's start calling Napoleon, Hitler, all the Caesars, etc. gay. I have no evidence for it but I just want to call people gay to insult them, and I secretly want to inject gay into the past in order to validate my own homosexual desires today. Also the aliens built the pyramids. An expert on the History Channel said so.".

    8. Re:Well, of course... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Good thing he will be speaking rather than writing... he'd probably spell it "marshall".

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    9. Re:Well, of course... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Lincoln didn't need to do anything; he should have just let the southern states go. He's responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 people.

      Alternately, the south didn't need to secede. The southern confederacy is responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 people.

      And on the bright side, millions of African Americans are now free as a side-effect.

    10. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Alternately, the south didn't need to secede. The southern confederacy is responsible for the deaths of over 600,000 people.

      And the English colonists didn't need to secede in 1776; they could have just let King George abuse them as he wished.
      India, under Gandhi's leadership, didn't need to secede from the British. They could have just let the British Empire abuse them with taxes on salt, and shoot them when they demonstrated.
      South Korea didn't need to fight against North Korea. They could have just let Kim Il Sung take over and be their leader; we see from today's North Korea how nice life would have been for them.
      The Poles in WWII didn't need to fight against the Germans during and after their Blitzkrieg. They should have just let Germany take over. Similarly, the British and French didn't need to fight the Germans, they could have just done anything possible to appease them.

      Nice of you to blame the victim.

    11. Re:Well, of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That ostrich had it coming!

    12. Re:Well, of course... by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      ...Obama wants it ready for when he declares martial law! I kid, I kid (at least I think I'm kidding...)

      Considering his track record, you might not be far from the truth.

      Okay, I'll bite. What?

    13. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      a) Well, that's exactly what they tried to do.

      b) By your "logic", the President should have just given up and let the South invade? It takes two to tango, and the South started the dance.

      Go ahead and secede all you want. Just make sure you've paid back all the excess Federal tax dollars your state has received versus what it has paid in.

    14. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      What was the South the victim of? Besides the mean ol' North trying to stop them from ENSLAVING HUMANS?

    15. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That wasn't a big issue until Lincoln turned it into one. Slavery was accepted at that time; you're trying to apply modern standards to historical times. The North could have used economic pressure to stop slavery, without murdering hundreds of thousands of people. This is why we have things like trade sanctions.

    16. Re:Well, of course... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      You know there were northern slave owners too, right? The Civil War was taught to us as a war on slavery, but there was much more to it than that.

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    17. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      What was the South the victim of?

    18. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      a) My point is that if you're against secession, then you also must be against American independence from Britain, or else you're a hypocrite.

      b) No, I never said invasion was OK. Self-defense is always justified, but just because someone does something aggressive against you doesn't mean you can go destroy them in revenge. We have this encoded in our own criminal law: if someone attacks you, you're allowed to use any force necessary to stop the threat, and that's it. You're not allowed to injure them, then go visit them in the hospital and finish them off, then go to their home and kill all their family members too. You're not even allowed to finish them off after you've knocked them out or seriously injured them so they're no longer a threat; people have done this, and gone to prison for murder.

      From memory, the South only performed violent acts (like firing on Sumter) because a lot of tension had already built up over their previous nonviolent attempts at secession. If the North had just let them leave, none of it would have happened. Now of course, whether the South would have been successful economically afterwards is another discussion altogether; from what I've read, the answer is probably "no", but that's their problem, and not justification for forcing them to remain part of the union.

    19. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Um, not being allowed to leave the union? Wasn't that obvious?

      Is the right of self-determination really so alien here? Strange how most Americans are OK with the American Revolution, but then if one of the states wants to declare independence, they're all against it.

    20. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      In your examples above, the victims were victims of something, then they fought back. What was the South the victim of that made secession their path to "freedom"?

    21. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      Like what?

    22. Re:Well, of course... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it doesn't matter. If some group of people doesn't want to be governed by some outside power, they have a right to be independent. It really doesn't matter what their reasons are; maybe they think they're being overtaxed, maybe they think the larger government is ignoring their local concerns, maybe they want to create a fundamentalist Islamic country. Whatever their reasons, it's their right. Who are you to tell someone they're not allowed to govern themselves and have self-determination?

    23. Re:Well, of course... by swalve · · Score: 1

      I guess you can't answer the question, which leads me to believe you offered those other examples in an attempt to confuse the issue.

      Who am I saying they can't secede? I'm the guy holding the paper they signed when they joined the union. If they wanted the right to get out, they should have put something in the constitution about it. Or at least given the United States all its stuff back first. No, the civil war was about the South wanting to continue to profit off the backs of their slaves. You can call it states rights or self-determination, I call it slavery.

    24. Re:Well, of course... by Mindflux0 · · Score: 1

      Taxes! (on slaves)

    25. Re:Well, of course... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      States Rights. The "Union" wanted to impose Federal law on all states and The Constitution set up States to be like little countries with no trade restrictions and a common defense force. The "law that broke the camels back" was the slavery issue, but it was more about the States being able to make their own laws and letting the Federal Government do what it was intended. Protect the States, protect the People from the States, and resolve disputes between them.

      When the southern states seceded to form the Confederacy, the Republicans decided it was an act of treason and rebellion.

      Perhaps you can read up on the Civil War a bit yourself.

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  9. EAS is so low tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why aren't they hooked to e.g. youtube (interrupt and replace all running video streams), and cell networks (at least send everyone a broadcast text message, could have a link to the video for smartphones).

    1. Re:EAS is so low tech by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Well.. a while back, as I was watching something on my TiVo, an emergency alert test popped up. I tried fastforwarding through it, changing to a live channel, going back to the main menu, but nothing worked. For the duration of the test, I was locked out of my TiVo. So while the system might not be as broad reaching as you are suggesting, it's definitely been changed from your grandparents' EAS.

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    2. Re:EAS is so low tech by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I believe the cell phone infrastructure is in place (or will be, soon), but the actual policy for determining what gets reported is still contentious. Nobody's going to argue about nuclear bombs or tornadoes (and possibly earthquakes, with the idea being that the warning itself would be moot by the time you got it, but sending a message once the earthquake is confirmed at t=1 or 2 seconds might increase the likelihood that people 10-30 miles away would be physically holding their phone in their hand when the shockwaves arrived), but beyond that there's a long, slippery slope of potential mass public annoyance.

      Youtube will never happen. If you were Youtube, would YOU ever consent to being required to get all software and infrastructure updates approved by the government, with service disruptions and bureaucratic certification delays along the way? IP multicast would be far more appropriate and service-agnostic. If you care about receiving them, you'd run the client app on your PC, and enable it with a firmware update to your router.

    3. Re:EAS is so low tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandparents didn't have an EAS. They didn't even have an EBS.

    4. Re:EAS is so low tech by teslafreak · · Score: 1

      I saw the same behavior with a standard cable box. The display even changed from saying the channel I was on, to saying EAS. It locks it down, you can't change the channel until the display goes back to normal.

    5. Re:EAS is so low tech by surgen · · Score: 1

      Why aren't they hooked to e.g. youtube (interrupt and replace all running video streams), and cell networks (at least send everyone a broadcast text message, could have a link to the video for smartphones).

      The tech exists, as does the EAS successor CAP (cryptographically signed xml, obtained over the interbutts). Unfortunately the roll-out of this kind of thing is incredibly slow, especially as our existing alert infrastructure suits our existing alerting needs OK (more or less depending on who you ask) and the country hates the idea of government making buisness do anything.

    6. Re:EAS is so low tech by surgen · · Score: 1

      For the duration of the test, I was locked out of my TiVo. So while the system might not be as broad reaching as you are suggesting, it's definitely been changed from your grandparents' EAS.

      There was the EBS/EAS change was back in '97, but for your case your TiVo just knows how to detect an aler header/tone and EOM. Those have always been cornerstones of emergency broadcast tech.

  10. This is a test... by DragonHawk · · Score: 2

    "This is a test. This is only a test. If this had been an actual emergency, you would have been writhing on the ground in unspeakable pain, bleeding from every orifice, while your skin peeled off in long, black, ragged strips. This was only a test." (Unknown)

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    1. Re:This is a test... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      If this had been an actual emergency, you would have been writhing on the ground in unspeakable pain, bleeding from every orifice, while your skin peeled off in long, black, ragged strips.

      How do they know that feature works? They should test that to!

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    2. Re:This is a test... by deniable · · Score: 1

      I haven't lived in the US for 25 years and I can still remember the EBS tests.

    3. Re:This is a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is impossible to forget the EBS tone. Nothing else takes your mind from "lalala happy times watching The Simpsons" to "HOLY FUCKING SHIT HIDE!!!1" faster than that simple tone. Simple and bloody brilliant way to get the populace to take cover.

      Contrast that to the EAS "tones," which sound like someone tapped into a 28.8 kbps modem stream. That takes your mind from "lalala" to "good God that is so fucking annoying."

    4. Re:This is a test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >How do they know that feature works?

      This is how they know...

      http://www.fogonazos.es/2007/02/hiroshima-pictures-they-didnt-want-us_05.html

      http://www.springoo.com/history/hiroshima-the-pictures-they-didnt-want-us-to-see/

    5. Re:This is a test... by swalve · · Score: 1

      According to wikipedia, it is 520.833 bits per second.

  11. effectiveness in 2011 by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to wonder whether this system has lost its effectiveness today. In the 1960s, the combination of radio and television would reach a pretty big percentage of the population; during the day someone in any given house or office was probably watching TV or listening to the radio. But with more people listening to music on iPods and watching video on DVD/DVR - to say nothing of streaming services over IP - that's a lot more gaps in the system.

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    1. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Japan's government-mandated cellphone earthquake alerts are a wonderful modern solution to that issue. If there's one thing you can count on, it's that you either have a cellphone or are near many people who do.

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    2. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by sid_vicious · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing recently when I watched a DVR'd TV show displaying an emergency announcement about a tornado from three days ago. Fat lot of good that did me, it just interrupted my show - if the tornado was going to get me, it would have done it three days ago.

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    3. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Interesting.. as I'd mentioned in a prior post, when I was watching a pre-recorded show on my TiVo a while back, a live EAS test message played and completely locked me out of my TiVo for the duration of the test. Wonder what the difference was between your situation and mine.

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    4. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by mcavic · · Score: 1

      True, but if you do much more than that, the tests become intolerable. What about an opt-in system where you have an app running on your PC, iPhone, etc, and that app listens for alerts and alerts you in a way that's consistent with the behavior of that operating system?

    5. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if there is any perfect solution. Automated cell phone messaging would be nice but not when I'm sleaping. I have this weather radio (no affil):
      http://www.reecominc.com/r1650.htm

      So it will wake me during an emergency (SAME and EAS signals). However, this isn't as portable as a cell phone.

    6. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Lev13than · · Score: 1

      It's more that the 24 hour news media has made the requirement for a national broadcast system obsolete. 9/11 was as good a reason as any to use the EBS, but because the attacks were already all over the dial/internet there was no real need.

      That said, the days of TV are numbered. A more useful extension would be to integrate national/regional/cell tower-specific emergency messaging so that they can be used for everything from natural disasters to controlling riots.

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    7. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The EAS is not the whole alert system, just the part that is being tested. From the FCC announcement:

      "As such, the EAS will continue to function as one key component of a national alert and warning system that will provide alerts over multiple communications platforms, including mobile communications devices."

    8. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The difference is that on the alert he got it was probably just something that the station being recorded added. The "Important information from Weather Center 6" type scrolls or break ins. The thing you saw was an actual EAS alert, which is different.

      EAS alerts have a distinctive noise they make before the announcement. Station alerts generally just are an overlay they put over the show, with no audio at all.

    9. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by bws111 · · Score: 1

      To further clarify, EAS alerts are sent to the cable and satellite provides in addition to the TV stations. That is what enables them to take control of the DVR/Tivo.

    10. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by kimvette · · Score: 1

      And yet, if you are watching a movie on cable, recording a movie on your DVR, or even watching on demand these fucking "this is a test" broadcasts interrupt things. If it isn't real, I don't want to fucking know about it - and even if it is real, short of a tornado, alien or communist invasion, or Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station experiencing a clusterfuck of a meltdown, I don't want to hear about it until I actively check the news. Scratch that - even if Pilgrim melts down due to negligence, I don't want to hear about it since I'm far enough away that unless we have a southwesterly wind it won't affect me, so interrupt my radio listening, TV/movie viewing, etc. only in the event of a tornado warning (somewhat rare here) or alien or communist invasion. kthxbye. :)

      Seriously - it's frigging annoying when these "this is only a test" broadcasts interrupt even on-demand in the evening. It wouldn't be so bad if, being over digital streams, it were displayed as a popup that doesn't interrupt recordings, interrupt on demand, etc. and I can just click out of the way, but oh no it has to be so intrusive it actually cancels the recording. WTF?

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    11. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I've had those EAS alerts actually cancel recordings on a Comcast/Motorola DVR. I kicked Comcast to the curb in favor of DirecTV (better DVR, there is 1080p programming available, and almost* zero compression artifacts, and ESATA and USB are enabled so I can add 2TB to the DVR) and so far haven't experienced EAS annoyances on DirecTV, but it's been less than a month so far.

      * I say almost, because it's not noticeable unless pixel peeping

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    12. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've ever lost any recordings, but my Comcast/Motorola DVR's sometimes lock up completely on EAS alerts and stay that way until power cycled.

      On the plus side, even the boxes that are "off" display EAS in the channel/time indicator, so I could potentially be alerted whether watching TV or not.

    13. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by sjames · · Score: 2

      Actually, 9/11 would have been a terrible time to use EBS. Emergency broadcasts are only helpful if there's something you can do to mitigate the problem if you are informed.

    14. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      But with more people listening to music on iPods and watching video on DVD/DVR - to say nothing of streaming services over IP - that's a lot more gaps in the system.

      Well, all DVRs (cable OR third party like TiVo) are mandated by the FCC to listen for an EAS broadcast and instantly switch over to the appropriate channel.

      So even if you were watching a recorded program that way, the DVR must drop out of playback and switch over to live TV. (This has caused no end of headaches for those trying to record early/late programming as stations do their testing).

    15. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Quietust · · Score: 2

      EAS alerts have a distinctive noise they make before the announcement.

      Specifically, that noise is a data burst which encodes most of the details of the alert (who sent it, what happened, where it happened, when it happened, etc.). Wikipedia provides a reasonably detailed description of the signal structure and the data encoding.

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    16. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time for the government to start tweeting instead.

    17. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by jrmcferren · · Score: 1

      Your DirectTV will be affected by this test. All providers are required to carry national messages, this includes DirectTV, Dish Network, and Sirius/XM.

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    18. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      This is true. I haven't watched live TV in years now, and I only listen to the radio to and from work (for traffic reports). My only indication of a national disaster would be cars careening off the road.

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    19. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Well, all DVRs (cable OR third party like TiVo) are mandated by the FCC to listen for an EAS broadcast and instantly switch over to the appropriate channel.

      Time to switch back to MythTV?

      :)

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    20. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by jfengel · · Score: 1

      That must take quite the infrastructure. During the trivial earthquake a few months ago, voice was absolutely jammed and text messages were very, very slow going. The Japanese must have some system for prioritizing the emergency outgoing message. I wonder if any of the American networks have that feature in there.

    21. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The American network is fairly robust. The alerts are transmitted via two or three redundant routes to the local cell network. PBS is a backup route, EAS messages are packetized into the normally NULL packets of the transport stream. The cell provider in the local area will listen to the PBS station for the alert and if the alert ID has not been processed already from a primary source the cell provider will process the alert from PBS.

      The message is pretty simple XML inside a NULL packet and is required to be transmitted by all PBS stations in the affected area. It should be pretty simple to setup an ATSC receiver and extract the messages from the OTA broadcast. You don't need a cell phone or an always on TV/Radio to get the messages any more.

      Posting anonymously since I'm somewhat involved.

    22. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two questions.

      Alien and communist invasions happen more than tornadoes in your area?

      Also, you want people to click through and ignore serious popups like they do in Windows?

      Brilliant ideas. Just accept that you have to pause your life for 3 minutes while the test runs.

    23. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      My only indication of a national disaster would be cars careening off the road.

      How would that be any different from normal traffic?

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    24. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess there would be more of them.

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    25. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume that EBS text messages would be more "broadcast" than normal texts, so each tower only needs to transmit the text once and all phones in the cell will receive it. It's quite unlike the situation on f ex New Year when there's lots of different textx trying to share the airwaves.

    26. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by swalve · · Score: 1

      Zero compression artifacts my ass. Maybe all Comcast isn't the same, but Comcast here simply relays the digital OTA program stream over their lines. Anything I've watched on DirecTV (or worse, UVerse) has been pixellated to shit.

    27. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by msobkow · · Score: 1

      TV and radio are still far more relevant than some people think.

      At the unemployment insurance session this morning, the speaker mentioned that Canada's EI system still serves 80% of the unemployed claimants through the call center. Only 20% of the population uses computers and the internet to file and manage their claims.

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    28. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by swalve · · Score: 1

      And especially because the transmitters were on the buildings that went down.

    29. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      They already have this in the US. I was fiddling around with my Android phone the other day and saw a box in the settings "Presidential level alerts", which I can only assume means a text message. It could not be de-selected. There were also several other levels of alerts. I don't know if iPhones/Blackberries/ect have this but I can only assume that the newer ones do.

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    30. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I used to work with someone who could speak modem. I bet he could also speak EBS. I miss you, Kurt.

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    31. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      That or you got the President's phone by accident.

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    32. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by BillHop · · Score: 1

      My Series III TiVo (I'd assume the Premiere, too) regularly aborts playback and jumps to live programming whenever this area gets a EBS (e.g. Tornado Warning) message from Time-Warner cable. The first interruption was freaky (and irritating), but now I really rather appreciate it, since I rarely ever watch live programming.

    33. Re:effectiveness in 2011 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they had to change the sound used to announce an emergency message because the original G-note tone sexually aroused the Visitors.

  12. Nationwide? What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone here is American, you know.

    1. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know. We just don't care, is the thing.

    2. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by Eraesr · · Score: 1

      My first thought as well.

    3. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not everyone here is American, you know.

      You ask what nation, yet reference not being American, showing you know what nation. It's almost like you've figured out this is an American-based web site, which American staff and therefore can assume a strong focus on things that hap... oh I won't even bother finishing. You're just a troll.

    4. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ask which nation, then make it clear that you know the answer perfectly well. What's the point of this post?

    5. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by hort_wort · · Score: 1

      America isn't a nation either.... :P

    6. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by X0563511 · · Score: 0

      Domain ID:D2289308-LROR
      Domain Name:SLASHDOT.ORG ...
      Registrant Country:US ...
      Admin Country:US

      Hmm. Imagine that, slashdot is a US-centric website.

      Perhaps you should go start some other news aggregator that's more internationally focused.

      Or you could just stop bitching. You know, the easy way.

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    7. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe is like Jenna from 30 Rock. They hate it whenever theres a conversation topic that doesn't involve them in any way so they whine until we pay attention to them again. If you're not familiar with 30 Rock, then instead imagine a 4 year old that is quiet until his mom is on the phone then begs for attention.

    8. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by deniable · · Score: 1

      and which Exchange Servers?

    9. Re:Nationwide? What nation? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      RTFFAQ:

      Slashdot seems to be very U.S.-centric. Do you have any plans to be more international in your scope?

      Slashdot is U.S.-centric. We readily admit this, and really don't see it as a problem. Slashdot is run by Americans, after all, and the vast majority of our readership is in the U.S. We're certainly not opposed to doing more international stories, but we don't have any formal plans for making that happen. All we can really tell you is that if you're outside the U.S. and you have news, submit it, and if it looks interesting, we'll post it.

      It is worth noting that there is a Japanese Slashdot run by VA Japan. While we helped them a little in their early days, they essentially run their own content without any real involvement from us... none of us can read Kanji! There are currently no plans to do other language or nation specific Slashdot sites.

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  13. Time to attack! by B5_geek · · Score: 2

    How kind of them to notify us of when the entire warning system will be disrupted. If I wanted to stage an attack, this would be the perfect chance. All levels of emergency services will be 'confused' and not know what is real and what is fake.

    Add the frightened sheep to the mix and it is a perfect chance for an act of terror.

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    1. Re:Time to attack! by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Similarly, how do you know it really worked if everyone knows the schedule? Everyone turns on their alarms at 2 whether they hear upstream or not, and says it was successful. If it was "some random minute between 2PM and 2:30PM", maybe chosen with the roll of a 20-sided die at 2PM, it would be a more realistic test. As for "real vs. fake" - "This is not a drill" sounds great in movies and TV, but you do *not* want to hear it in real life. Ever.

    2. Re:Time to attack! by Lord+Grey · · Score: 1

      If I wanted to stage an attack, this would be the perfect chance.

      Indeed! Particularly when the FCC itself is saying that what the public sees and hears could vary:

      What will people hear and see during the test?

      During the test, viewers will hear a message indicating that “This is a test.” Although the National EAS Test may resemble the periodic, monthly EAS tests that most Americans are already familiar with, there will be some differences in what viewers will see and hear, which is one reason for conducting a national EAS test. The audio message will be the same for all EAS Participants; however, due to limitations in the EAS, the video test message scroll may not be the same or indicate that “This is a test.” This is due to the use of a “live” national code – the same code that would be used in an actual emergency. In addition, the background image that appears on video screens during an alert may indicate that “This is a test,” but in some instances there might not be an image at all. ...

      Good times to be had by all!

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    3. Re:Time to attack! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      It is the emergency broadcast system, not the brain-control codes for the emergency services. Believe it or not, the fire department is capable of operating successfully if the emergency broadcast system is sounding, not sounding, doing a test, playing Barney, or on fire, because its system of operation is entirely orthogonal

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    4. Re:Time to attack! by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      How kind of them to notify us of when the entire warning system will be disrupted. If I wanted to stage an attack, this would be the perfect chance. All levels of emergency services will be 'confused' and not know what is real and what is fake.

      If the entire warning system would be 'disrupted', you'd have a point. But it won't be. Only the public alarms will be 'disrupted', while those used by emergency services will remain stable. Further, there are different messages for 'testing' and 'live' activation, which means the difference between the real and the fake is easily discerned.

    5. Re:Time to attack! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If I wanted to stage an attack, this would be the perfect chance. All levels of emergency services will be 'confused' and not know what is real and what is fake.

      This is a claim made about what happened on 9/11 - that a drill about airplanes crashing into buildings was underway when the attacks happened. Wikipedia used to have more information about these claims but they seem to have been edited out in recent years (as opposed to being refuted, which would have been more useful if they were untrue).

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    6. Re:Time to attack! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Apparent;y FEMA is using a "LIVE" code. So this could get interesting.

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    7. Re:Time to attack! by Leebert · · Score: 2

      "This is not a drill" sounds great in movies and TV, but you do *not* want to hear it in real life. Ever.

      You haven't met my dentist.

    8. Re:Time to attack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's curious. It might be based on something that happened in Britain on 7/7/2005, where apparently a routine emergency services drill was taking place at the same time as a major terrorist attack on London Transport. The (true) story from London might have been conflated and confused with 9/11, transposed to New York, and thus assimilated into the general conspiracy mythology of 9/11. So it may be that the claims are semi-true, but very inaccurate about when and where.

    9. Re:Time to attack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am your dentist.

      -Your Dentist

    10. Re:Time to attack! by cblkbrn · · Score: 1

      kind? a distraction I'm sure I am not the only one to notice the date? Our governements are great at creating distractions from things that are happening.

  14. What nation? by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is the internet. What nation are you referring to?

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    1. Re:What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean there are others?
      (or you could click the link)

    2. Re:What nation? by rwv · · Score: 1

      FEMA - identified in the summary - implies that the test will be conducted in the USA.

    3. Re:What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the internet. What nation are you referring to?

      America. We own it, bitches.

    4. Re:What nation? by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      This one, of course.

    5. Re:What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the internet. What nation are you referring to?

      Sorry, we meant "The Nation Of People Who, Despite Popular And Very Loud Opinion, Are In Fact Among The Least Smug Assholes Regarding Insisting That Their Nation Be Represented At All Times On The Internet, And Also Have The Minimal Amount Of Cognitive Activity And International Experience Required To Acknowledge When A Site Is Hosted In A Specific Nation And Is Also Run By People From That Nation, And Therefore May Include Some News Specific To That Nation, And Will Also Not Make A Snide Smartass Comment About The Lack Of Representation Of Their Nation Just To Be An Aforementioned Smug Asshole".

      Evidently, TNOPWDPAVLOAIFATLSARITTNBRAATOTI AAHTMAOCAAIERTAWASIHIASNAIARBPFTN ATMISNSTTNAWANMASSCATLOROTNJTBAASA doesn't get along well with the right honorable International Coalition of Asshole Nationalists. For that, we humbly apologize. Should we become more of nationalistic assholes just so that we fit in with you?

    6. Re:What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up.

    7. Re:What nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. Or are you new here. The one ignorant about others, what else.

    8. Re:What nation? by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. What internet are you referring to?

    9. Re:What nation? by Tomato42 · · Score: 1

      Because all the people that can communicate in English (you know, only half the globe's population) know of every TLA and ETLA in use in US...

  15. cell phones by notea42 · · Score: 1

    It seems like the system would be greatly enhanced by simply requiring the cellular providers to send a free text message to every subscriber. It could contain the essential information and/or a link to more info, or simply say, "Turn on the radio or TV"

    1. Re:cell phones by bws111 · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      "As such, the EAS will continue to function as one key component of a national alert and warning system that will provide alerts over multiple communications platforms, including mobile communications devices."

      The EAS is just part of a larger system.

    2. Re:cell phones by Another,+completely · · Score: 1
      I like it. No explanation, just spookiness (it's on everywhere, after all):

      Turn on a television. Any television. Any channel.

      DO IT NOW!

    3. Re:cell phones by deniable · · Score: 1

      You mean with the SMS infrastructure that collapses under high load? New years texts come in anywhere up to a week later.

  16. Typical government initiative by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Typical government initiative - the nationwide system is finally ready 22 years after the end of the cold war, and 60 years after the threat was established.

    Can we please cancel this program (we have the CNN and the Internet now) and take the useless TSA with it too?

    1. Re:Typical government initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the EAS (and predecessors the EBS and CONELRAD) weren't tested for a doomsday scenario deliberately[1], they have certainly proved invaluable to dealing with more local threats. Think tornados and the like: Unless a twister hits midtown Manhattan, there will not be live coverage by any of the major networks. Those people in the area of the tornado will appreciate the EAS warning, instead of cable news' "lol losers" news story the next day.

      [1] http://earthsignals.com/add_CGC/Letters/NORAD_EBS.html

    2. Re:Typical government initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because everyone is watching news channels ALL THE TIME so there's no need of any other method of communicating that an emergency exists. How about putting the tea bags away and paying attention? This system hasn't just been finished and isn't the same as the one that was developed back in the 60s. It gets unit tested all the time. Care to check facts pre-rant next time?

      I'll tell you what's typical: Somebody decides to do a full up system test, which is a good thing, and gets criticized for it because knee-jerk reactionaries keep getting coddled in this country, especially if they agree with big money.

      BTW, it was a conservative administration which started the TSA, which among other things is really a giveaway to the airlines because they used to have to pay for security. Also, next time a terrorist incident happens, nobody will be able to go after the airlines because they'll correctly state security isn't their thing. Corporate welfare again, and your civil rights down the toilet too. Nothing to do with EAS of course, but we might as well get some facts straight while we're here.

    3. Re:Typical government initiative by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, CNN is definately on the ball... As long as you agree with their political agenda.

      And yes, it would be equally ridiculous to suggest we rely solely on Fox News for critical info.

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    4. Re:Typical government initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN = Conservative News Network. Telling the world how things are from an USA Yanky Imperialist perspective, all the while claiming the be "beyond borders". If something goes wrong, it must be Islamist terrorists trying to kill us all! They ignore borders, to the extent that they impose a USA (and invariably wrong or just stupid as well) world view on all the news stories reported, even if the reporter/anchor is a Brit in Britain.

      Yeah, fuck CNN. Fuck the media.

    5. Re:Typical government initiative by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      That's why you listen to both. And anything they agree on you can assume is either the truth or both parties are pushing it...

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  17. The gaps are being filled by pavon · · Score: 1

    In 2008 the FCC mandated an emergency alert system for cell phones, which would send a text message to everyone in the affected region. This is being rolled out now but isn't yet ready nation-wide.

  18. IPAWS and Common Alerting Protocol solve this by StandardCell · · Score: 1

    FEMA and the FCC had a big display for a solution to this problem at this year's National Association of Broadcasters show in Las Vegas. The system is called IPAWS or Integrated Public Alert and Warning System. It augments traditional broadcast-based EAS infrastructure with IP-based infrastructure and mobile using the Common Alerting Protocol. The FEMA guy told me that this is an ongoing effort to integrate all these systems but that it is recognized and it will take a few years, especially on integration with over-the-top content delivery. The press release is here: http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=52880

  19. Just text them by wstrucke · · Score: 1

    I guarantee text messages would reach everyone else.

    1. Re:Just text them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you overestimate modern technology. Cell phone networks are already on the brink of collapse during mundane events like New Year's Eve. Sending a nation-wide emergeny notification would turn these networks into smoldering piles of electronic junk.

    2. Re:Just text them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to be in a public area when everyone phone simultaneously start going off.

    3. Re:Just text them by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      I'm on AT&T -- which means I regularly receive " instant messages" 15-45 minutes after they are sent.

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    4. Re:Just text them by swalve · · Score: 1

      Surely an alert like this would be propagated via some kind of broadcast packet rather than individual text messages generated for each phone...

  20. Emergency Broadcast System by stewbee · · Score: 1

    slightly off topic, but I remember when I was younger there would be tv 'commercials' on Saturdays which would have these on. To give a time reference, this would have been during the very early 80's. (i know...get off my lawn, yada yada yada...) and it would have been in Michigan, but I am guessing it would have been a nationwide sort of thing. But now to think of it, I haven't seen one of these in ages! I am guessing they must have changed the requirements on this or something. Does anyone remember when the last time they saw one or what happened that they actually stopped this? Or is it possible that it still goes on, but now its just sandwiched between infomercials late at night?

    1. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by vlm · · Score: 1

      The tornado sirens and local EBS are tested Friday mornings at precisely 9:30 am.
      I'm sure no one wants to hear tornado sirens at 2am unless there is a real tornado.

      Mostly EBS is used locally to as a weapon in custody disputes. One parent wants to get the other in trouble, so if there's a traffic jam or kids soccer game runs late or whatever, the ex-spouse decides to have some fun and call in a child abduction.

      Humorously EBS is utterly useless, because the locals go into stormageddon mode whenever there's anything more than light rain, and the endless custody disputes make people ignore or mute all EBS.

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    2. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by nani+popoki · · Score: 1

      EBS tests happen about once a month at various times of the day. I didn't realize that it wasn't a coordinated test -- I never tried changing channels / stations during the 30-second test. We had a severe flood in my area a few months ago and there was an actual EBS message, so the system does see some real use.

    3. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by stewbee · · Score: 1

      What I am thinking of isn't the once a month tornado warning. This would be a commercial, followed by some guy saying 'this is a test of the emergency broadcast system...' and then there would be a tone for about 20 seconds, with more talking about how that was only a test and if it were real, you would have been given more instruction. That commercial is the specific one that I was thinking of.

    4. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by deniable · · Score: 1

      Georgia was the same but I haven't lived in the US since '85.

    5. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, the one with the circle and triangle logo? No idea when those officially went away.

    6. Re:Emergency Broadcast System by VickiM · · Score: 1

      Yes, I recall this as well from my childhood. They displayed it at random times. In my area, they tended to play it during soap operas, so I only saw them on the days I was home sick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Broadcast_System/

  21. Not the "this is a test" test. by DewDude · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is different than the current test procedures. those are generated locally to make sure the stations equipment works. this going to be a live test. they are actually activating the new AES system as if there was an actual emergency.

    the big difference over this new system is that it has better penetration. rather than relying on broasdcast stations alone, cable/satellite operators now have AES equipnent. when an alert is sent, it will interrupt whatever youre watching and throw your box over to a channel. so, unlike before if youre watching dvr or on demand and would miss these alerts, your viewing is interrupted. Verizon ran a test test the other morning at about 3am....dvr viewing was stopped...the box flashed AES on its display and i was shown a computer generated text screen. theyre even talking about being able to activate the system on things like hulu, netflix, xbox, but those are in the works (and may be implemented now).

    1. Re:Not the "this is a test" test. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Just wake me up when they submit the patches to mythtv... :)

      Oh, and the FIOS box had better reset itself back to normal so that I don't have to dig the remotes out of the closet to hit the OK button or whatever...

  22. Announcing the exact date seems bad... by Tha_Big_Guy23 · · Score: 2

    I know, that in this environment of increasing paranoia, I'm probably not the first person to think that announcing a nationwide test of the emergency broadcast system and giving the exact date and time of the test could potentially be a bad plan. It seems to me that perhaps someone wishing to perform any sort of nationwide nefarious activities would plan to do so on a day like that. I can see it now...

    "Did you hear that there is a "

    "Oh, don't worry about it, they were just testing the emergency broadcast system today. Nothing to worry about."

    Just my $0.02 though.

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    1. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by daid303 · · Score: 1

      They test the civil defense siren in the Netherlands once a month, on the first Monday at 12:00. They have been doing so for years without issues, the main difference between a real problem and a test is the length. With the frequent tests you are used to the length, if they are suddenly longer you would notice something is wrong.

      Sure, you could do a gas attack at 12:00 on the first Monday, and you would win a few minutes of confusion. But the system will still work.

    2. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by Grave · · Score: 1

      As opposed to not announcing it, and inducing a temporary panic when the warning goes off all over the country and nobody bothers to read/listen to the "oh hay, that was just a test kthxbai" message?

    3. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yah, instead not announcing it, and sending millions in to a panic makes more sense... its the same reason they announce fire drills... imagine the system fails, and all it manages to do is send "THIS IS AN EMERGEN....&*(^O&*# NO CARRIER"...

    4. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      This refers to an electronic warning system in an unspecified country.

      As for sirens, to quote Wikipedia: "In the United States, sirens are a largely disorganized warnings systems."

    5. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose one of these would be sufficient to cover the whole of the Netherlands: http://www.victorysiren.com/

    6. Re:Announcing the exact date seems bad... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      We had air-raid sirens in Fargo ND/Moorhead MN in the 1960s, and they were tested every Sunday at noon. One long continuous blast. My grok was that if it was instead short blats, that was the real thing.

      Air-raid sirens were the legacy of generations that had lived through World War II and had grown up into the Cold War. We've had nothing of that scale since.

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  23. Ron Paul for President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disrupt the idle couch potatoing of a large enough number of Americans and they may elect Ron Paul to get rid of FEMA!

  24. Don't forget to listen to Mr. Thompson... by defaria · · Score: 1

    ... crackle, crackle...

    For twelve years you've been asking "Who is John Galt?" This is John Galt speaking. I'm the man who's taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You've heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man's sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you've demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You've sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?

  25. Purpose of System? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

    I always thought the emergency broadcast system was one of the coolest things our government could provide. It involves everyone in the broadcast business working together to convey information solely to help the public.

    But then, this summer, one quarter of Burnet County burned nearby. At the same time other fires were spreading in Steiner Ranch, Cedar Park, and Pflugerville, all of which threatened or destroyed homes. And they never activated the emergency broadcast system. Sure the local TV networks had scrolls on the bottom of the screen, but they didn't cut from network content. The first night, only one local AM radio station (KLBJ FM) and twitter were providing any information at all.

    So I have to ask: if apocalyptic fires aren't enough to activate the system, what is? I already know tornadoes aren't sufficient; it's never been used for those, either. Is it just a hurricane/volcano/nuclear war warning system? Why bother with it nationwide if that's all it's good for?

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    1. Re:Purpose of System? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I meant KLBJ AM. My mistake.

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    2. Re:Purpose of System? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      It must depend on your local government. Where I live, they do sometime use the alerts for severe thunderstorms.

    3. Re:Purpose of System? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      It wasn't used on 9/11 either.

      Pretty sure its only use really is just to warn us to kiss our butts goodbye when nukes are incoming.

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    4. Re:Purpose of System? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local emergencies depend on local government and emergency managers to actually know how to take advantage of EBS. They have to take a class (basically about what the system is capable of and how to be responsible using it) and register with the appropriate authority. And even if they are all trained and registered, they have to actually make the decision and follow through with the work to put out the alert.

      Big cities and such know how to do this, but out in the sticks I'm sure its a different story.

  26. But...which nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This brilliant story does not say it ;-)

  27. No Warning For Me by ATestR · · Score: 1

    I'm glad I ditched satellite TV last month. Now I'll have to remember not to listen to the radio that day...

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    1. Re:No Warning For Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, that brings us to your point, which is . . . ?

    2. Re:No Warning For Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, that brings us to your point, which is . . . ?

      . . . that the GP is a generic hipster douchebag who feels the need to brag about his/her lack of TV at every opportunity because every other possible avenue of achieving an identity has failed for him/her?

      Oh, wait, my mistake, you probably wanted to hear something you didn't already know. Sorry, I've got nothing to add.

  28. Radio Engineers by AdamPee · · Score: 1

    All my radio engineers who had their EAS point of origin change with little announcement say yeeeeah. But seriously, this whole EAS "upgrade" thing has been nothing but a thorn in my side for the last couple weeks. Can't wait for it to be done with.

  29. Re:First time, eh? by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indulge me for a moment. Is there any way they could do a test of this system which would not cause you to make that empty, cynical remark?

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  30. Which country? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary never mentions that the country in question is the USA.

  31. Re:First time, eh? by MacTO · · Score: 1

    OMG, YOU'RE RIGHT! If the system fails to reach even one person, the government is going to start rounding up people off the street and tossing them into forced labour camps. After all, it's for the children!

    This message was brought to you by the Emergency Hysteria System (EHS).

  32. EAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Emergency Broadcast System hasn't existing since 1997. This is the first nationwide test of EAS.

  33. What, already? by SEWilco · · Score: 2

    Another Election Day, another national emergency.

    1. Re:What, already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ditto" I thought the same thing.

  34. Sounds like by AdamJS · · Score: 1

    The perfect time for an updated radioplay of War of the Worlds.

  35. Re:DVR by billmarrs · · Score: 1

    Actually, TiVos get disrupted by EBS signals. Honestly, it's super annoying! It seems that if any channel runs a EBS test, the Tivo responds by kicking you out of whatever you're watching and showing a large banner across the screen for a few minutes. There's no way to stop it or make it go back to playing your recording until it's done. Usually, it happens during the middle of the day. But, this is when I'm on my treadmill watching TiVo shows, so I get annoyed by this about once a month.

    I still think you make a good point otherwise, but TiVos do try to play along (maybe they are required by law?).

  36. Yes, it is. by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

    America is another name for the United States.

  37. like 9/11 by stooo · · Score: 1

    9/11 had also some military exercices as a cover up, for crreating confusion "this is an exercice"

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  38. Nice they do this right before Halloween by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    ...so nationally we can be ready for any zombie apocalypse! ;D

     

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  39. The cable card may be forceing the EBS by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    The cable card may be forceing the EBS

  40. 7 Days in May? by kurt555gs · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Activating this at 2:00PM is a show of power. At test could be conducted at 3:00 AM where it wouldn't have the fear impact.

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    1. Re:7 Days in May? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      "Not a test, but a demonstration."

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    2. Re:7 Days in May? by astar · · Score: 1

      Everyone gets to play terror games. Wait till you have UAVs in the hands of the law enforcement types. You hear one above you and will you feel safer? Oh wait. The domestic requests are not yet for *armed* UAV's. Just survellience missions. .

    3. Re:7 Days in May? by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Activating this at 2:00PM is a show of power. At test could be conducted at 3:00 AM where it wouldn't have the fear impact.

      Really? Who's watching TV at 14:00? Don't most of us still have jobs?

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    4. Re:7 Days in May? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't most of us still have jobs? Isn't unemployment over 10% Although, that's still in the minority.

      I don't like the idea of a national EAS test. It seems to be fearmongering. Is this going to be used for things other than emergencies? The only national emergency I can think of would be a nuclear attack.

      However, America is a big country. I can't think of anything that would necessarily affect 100% of the country. And as someone else pointed out, isn't the EAS there to warn us to prepare? So as someone else pointed out (search the comments), if would be a bit too late.

      About the EAS tests. Enough of them, and people ignore them, right? So when an actual emergency happens, will people pay attention? And with it being digital rather than a scrolling thing on the screen, people can get rid of the EAS screen by unplugging and plugging back in their cable box, right? (Which I don't officially recommend incase it's an actual emergency.)

      Now, November 9th is probably as good as ever to call the FCC and complain/voice our opinions about the EAS tests.

  41. big non-local media by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Just look into local disasters; especially those not in a major city. Katrina was that states major city and they didn't get jack except from a tiny local station that was more of a hobby project of a few people which they eventually allowed to up the radio power.

    Remote controlled stations owned by corps not even in the city (or country) with nobody paying attention... If you are in a smaller area you don't even get noticed and just take feeds from the bigger place near bye-- the only thing customized is some of the advertizing; maybe. Local laws may make things better or maybe some corp put in some effort to handle such things for various reasons but unless forced or split up in to smaller businesses it is rather pointless.

  42. cable systems need to use the out of band data by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    cable systems need to use the out of band data channel to send the info to the cable boxes.

  43. Re:Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since this is primarily an US run website, i can only assume that this article is about brazil.

  44. At first.... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    For a moment there, I was incredibly excited that electronics might be disrupted and we'd be plunged into a primitive dark age once again.

    Then I realized it was over, and nothing really happened. :( Yesterday, it'd have been greatly appreciated...

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  45. EAS still lacks any security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A national EAS test... What could possibly go wrong? The problems with EAS insecurity have been know for a long time and the FCC has failed to do anything about it. See the following SecurityFocus stories: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/613 http://www.securityfocus.com/news/9324

  46. My kingdom for mod points.... by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

    The poster is modded troll, and these responses are labeled insightful? Really?

    You cant think of a program based on a false premise that didn't work all that well, and governement decided the logical solution was more funding?
    You cant think of a program that nibbled away at personal freedoms in the name of idiot-proofing society?
    You cant imagine those two things ever being coupled?

    In the case of this emergency broadcast system, I predict an eventual mechanism that will cut into any use of a television (whether cable/satellite/DVR or otherwise), cut into cell phone calls, etc. You might think it's important that every person can be reached at every moment of every day, I dont. I actually see that as a violation of my privacy and autonomy, and people who need to constantly be connected as having an unhealthy obsession with what everyone else is doing. And while you might have every confidence that this President and his administration would never use the system against the best interests of the people (I question that, but...) can you say with certainty that you will fully trust the next President? Or the one after that? What do you propose to do when you dont trust the administration?

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    1. Re:My kingdom for mod points.... by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      You may not be aware, but this was signed into law in 1994, and was not contested by the previous President. Chances for misuse notwithstanding, it isn't really a partisan issue and it doesn't really matter who the President is.

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    2. Re:My kingdom for mod points.... by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      That's precisely my point. Even if you fully trust this President, the last one, the next one, or the one to be elected in 2032, it doesn't mean that there wont be one that you dont trust at all. And the powers granted to whomever happens to be in the Oval Office today have ramifications for every future President.

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  47. And the transmission begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is John Connor from the Crystal Peak..

  48. First? No. XM Satellite Radio was the first by kriston · · Score: 1

    First? No. XM Satellite Radio was the first, way back in 2006.

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  49. No Weather Radio Rebroadcast? by awyeah · · Score: 1

    The most interesting thing (to me, anyway) is that they will not be transmitting this via weather radio. Many (if not most) weather radios these days constantly listen for the EAS SAME tones (the ominous sounding tones that repeat three times at before the message starts), and can sound an audible and visual alarm when it occurs.

    For example, if a tornado warning is issued for an area, you can receive the alert with your weather radio, whether it's "turned on" or not, unlike with TV and radio, where you must be listening to find out.

    Weather Radios do have the ability to display messages for civil emergencies - for example, the one I use can display things like "nuclear emergency" and other types of non-weather messages.

    Apparently, there's no way for them to get this to the national weather service for rebroadcast. Unfortunate.

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  50. Emergency Broadcast System? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    The Emergency Broadcast System (EBS) was decommissioned in 1997, it was replaced with the Emergency Alert System (EAS) which has never been tested until now. The two should not be confused.

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    1. Re:Emergency Broadcast System? by ravenspear · · Score: 1

      No, the EAS has been tested plenty of times. You never have your TV interrupted with your cable/sat companies tests? They happen all the time. Just not a national cascading system test.

    2. Re:Emergency Broadcast System? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      ust not a national cascading system test.

      That's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.

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  51. IPAWS and FOSS by Talisein · · Score: 1

    If anybody's interested, I'm developing a GTK+ app that gets alerts from IPAWS pushed to it. Its not quite ready to be useful yet (I need to get certified to pull from the IPAWS production server rather than just their dev server), but I'm getting there; I expect I'll have a usable beta out in a month.

    https://github.com/talisein/Stormee

    Feedback is welcome

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  52. They should play this by Megahard · · Score: 1

    Best alert ever. And no confusing it with an actual emergency.

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  53. This is kind of quaint by zephvark · · Score: 1

    Are they going to be broadcasting over the internet? 'Cause, I don't know, are there still a lot of you guys who use old-fashioned TVs and radios? Who, exactly, is even going to know about the "emergency"?

  54. Operating the old EBS equipment by Punchinello · · Score: 2

    I would guess a good percentage of the Slashdot community worked in college radio (seems the nerdly thing to do). But for those who didn't, let me tell you about the old Emergency Broadcast System...

    The radio station DJs were taught to take the EBS equipment in the studio very seriously. Our studio was located in an actual fallout shelter... thick concrete walls and no windows... we even had the cool fallout shelter sign outside the door. If one needed to take shelter from nuclear fallout there was plenty of vinyl to keep you company but not much else. The space was tiny.

    We had to know the procedures for handling both an automatic EBS test (triggered at random times) and a manual test which we performed weekly. More importantly we had to know the procedure in the event of an actual emergency.

    The automatic test would just happen randomly in the middle of your show any time of day or night (I don't recall how frequently this happened). My normal broadcast would get hijacked by the EBS equipment (which was connected to the transmitter) and the alert system would begin broadcasting the test message, followed by the tone, followed by closing message. After this test we had to manually reset the EBS equipment by pressing a button (or power cycling the damned thing) in order to regain control of the local broadcast from the studio.

    The manual test was performed weekly by the DJs (we did it at 6AM on Monday). I'd play a cart with the opening message, "This is a test..." and then I'd have to press a button on the EBS to play the tone. It tested the system's ability to interrupt my broadcast. At the end of the tone I hit the reset (or as previously mentioned, power cycled it) and then played a second cart with the closing message "this concludes a test of the Emergency Broadcast System..."

    In both test cases I had to log the time of the test (or risk going to FCC, bang you in the ass, prison??).

    If the message turned out NOT to be a test I was to tear open the special red envelope hanging by the equipment. Sadly, I never got to do this. The envelope contained a codeword. One would compare the code transmitted to the EBS with the code in the envelope. If it was a match there were further instructions in the envelope which remain a mystery to me (although someone once told me that since we were a small station we would likely be instructed to shut down our transmitter while stations with more kilowatts would be instructed to boost their signal).

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    1. Re:Operating the old EBS equipment by storkus · · Score: 1

      After reading this bit of reminiscing, I have to add my own, in this case working for KNPB-TV Channel 5, the PBS station in Reno in the early 90's.

      For real emergencies, we had three 3/4" tapes in colored bags hanging on the wall. The red one was for a national alert, and I was told it contained a graphic of a mushroom cloud (I was never brave enough to pull it out and play it to find out). The yellow one was for state or local emergencies, and some other operators had played it for various things over the years. The green one was for the "all-clear" signal.

      The alert itself came over a receiver tuned to 780 AM, which I think is still the primary station for NW Nevada to this day at it broadcasts 50kW Class-B and avoiding WBBM Chicago (Class-A omni) at night; I don't remember if it had changed call and format to KKOH yet (the original 3-letter KOH was on 630 AM; it plays ESPN radio off satellite these days) or was still its original call and format of KROW (country). When they would fire off the tones, the receiver would fire a dedicated cart recorder (same 1/4" carts as radio stations) to record the announcement, which would then have to be manually played after recording--unlike the receiver of the radio station above, this one didn't take over the broadcast automatically.

      While all the tapes (the 3 real ones and the EBS test tape) contained tones, we had a specific button on the board to send out locally-generated tones, no doubt to reduce noise from the tapes. Tests were broadcast late morning to early afternoon, as I recall, and we broadcast both the tests we received upstream as well as our own, which is apparently still done; for our local tests, we would just dub the EBS test tape into the appropriate break on the break tape. (The station didn't have a sequencer, the board op was responsible for editing breaks together during his/her shift.)

      I guess because of when I was a board op, I still call it EBS to this day.

      Mike

    2. Re:Operating the old EBS equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was a match there were further instructions in the envelope which remain a mystery to me (although someone once told me that since we were a small station we would likely be instructed to shut down our transmitter while stations with more kilowatts would be instructed to boost their signal).

      If it were the "real thing" reading this over the air would likely have been part of your instructions.

      This site Gives a very good overview of the old EBS system from a radio person's point of view, including copies of old authenticator word lists and instructions for an attack scenario.

  55. So what? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    I get these every other night. Yay, now I can get an Amber alert from California, or a tornado warning from Kansas. Seriously, if a nationwide alert was required, we would all be just running amuck and panicking. And then die.

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  56. EAS != EBS - Why it should be tested everywhere by billstewart · · Score: 1

    We don't often get catastrophes that affect the whole US, but we frequently get ones that affect 1/4 of the country - hurricanes on the East Coast or the Gulf, floods on the Mississippi, power grid blackouts that take down the West Coast or the Northeast, or problems of that scale. Not only does the network need to be tested everywhere to make sure all the parts work (so it's much simpler for everybody to do it all at once), but it needs to be tested at full scale to make sure it doesn't choke at smaller scales (e.g. 10% of the country.)

    But yeah, the first time I heard the EBS saying "This is not a test, repeat not a test", I nearly freaked out - I'd grown up in the Cold War, when the system was designed for the "kiss your ass goodbye" message, and it was the first time I'd heard them using it for normal emergencies like floods from the big rainstorm that was going on.

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  57. National testing - This is EAS, not EBS by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The headline's not very clear - this is the new EAS, not the old EBS. EBS got tested nationally all the time - that's why radio stations would have the Tuesday morning squawking noise followed by "This is only a test", and TV stations would carry a test pattern and the same announcement. This one's probably a lot more complex and expensive, but can probably also do a better job of announcing local problems like floods as well as national-scale problems like Global Thermonuclear War.

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  58. Bush certainly never did that by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Because the Patriot Act wasn't martial law at all, nor were the orders for all immigrants from Muslim countries to come in and talk to the authorities after 9/11, nor sending in the National Guard to shoot looters during Katrina instead of putting people on boats and busses to get them out of town.

    And at least he had the decency to lie to Congress to get them to declare war on Iraq, instead of just announcing that he had the power to do so, like Obama did with Libya. On the other hand, if he wanted American citizens assassinated overseas, he just had his people do it quietly, instead of announcing that the White House lawyers had written up a legal justification for him to do it, which we're not allowed to see, the way Obama did.

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    1. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Bush, Obama, there's really not much difference. In many ways, Obama is worse.
      - During Bush's term, you didn't have to worry that much about being molested at the airport. Now you do. It probably would have developed the same way if Bush had a 3rd term, but Obama certainly didn't change course.
      - During Bush's term, states were already legalizing medical marijuana. Bush and his DOJ made some noises about enforcing Federal law against dispensaries and such, but really didn't bother that much. Obama, on the other hand, is vigorously pursuing marijuana enforcement.

      So much for "hope and change". What's really pathetic, however, is all the legions of Obama-supporting Democrats who defend him at every opportunity, even though he's really no different from Bush.

    2. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Mindflux0 · · Score: 1

      That's crap.

      There are huge difference between Obama and Bush. I'll agree that Obama is much more similar to Bush than the Democrats would like to admit. He did however push through healthcare reform (watered down though it may be). He also hugely improved the US's appearance abroad. And differing rhetoric in and of itself is sometimes important. It's at least slowing down the war on science (even if he's not doing much proactive in that regard).

      So, I'll agree that he's not it any way living up to his "change" slogan but he's certainly not the same as Bush. Maybe economically the same.

    3. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The healthcare "reform" was just a big corporate give-away and did little if anything to actually improve healthcare. The fact that the Dems wasted all their political capital on it when there were so many other things they could have fix speaks volumes.

      Who cares about the US's appearance abroad? What does that do for the economy, or all the other things that are ailing this nation? Total waste of time and jet fuel. No, differing rhetoric is not important; when your actions don't line up with your words, people eventually see you as a liar.

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    4. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Mindflux0 · · Score: 1

      We'll see how the healthcare reform works out. "there were so many other things they could have fix speaks volumes." Volumes about what? Healthcare is one of the US's biggest problems. People have been trying to reform healthcare for decades. Why is this a bad target (results aside)?

      The US's appearance abroad is important for international relations. How much easier do you think it would be for the US to function in the middle east if we were to win over the people of Pakistan? Their government understands that we've got to work together but the people (including the people in the government) hate the US. If we could change that, it would make dealing with them enormously easier and would be a huge economic and defensive advantage to the US. We've taken a lot of steps in the right direction (maybe not in Pakistan specifically but that's just an example).

      And what I mean about rhetoric is that it guides the public discussion at least. Bush was "I think with my gut" and Obama says science and innovation are important. Yes just saying these things has an effect. It causes people to consider things differently and hopeful do different things. No it's not as important as actually doing things but it's not discountable.

    5. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Healthcare is one of the US's biggest problems. People have been trying to reform healthcare for decades. Why is this a bad target (results aside)?

      In 2008, the economy was the #1 problem, as well as the deficit which has now reached epidemic proportions thanks to Obama. Healthcare needs fixing, but if you can't do it right, then don't do it at all, but again it wasn't the #1 priority.

      The US's appearance abroad is important for international relations. How much easier do you think it would be for the US to function in the middle east if we were to win over the people of Pakistan?

      Who cares? If you want to "win over" the people of Pakistan, how about getting the fuck out of the middle east and leaving them alone? They hate us because we always have our troops over there shooting at them. We don't need to "deal with them", we need to leave them alone.

      would be a huge economic and defensive advantage to the US.

      We don't need to "defend" against them. I don't see navies of Muslim extremists crossing the oceans to attack us. We need to shut down all the military bases overseas and concentrate on defending our own borders. Your arguments sound exactly like those of the most hawkish Republicans. Then if we cut the military budget to about 10-20% of its current size, the deficit wouldn't be so much of a problem.

    6. Re:Bush certainly never did that by Mindflux0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, right, if the president doesn't tackle things in your own 1-2-3 order it's completely unreasonable.

      The economy is Obama's fault.

      We should shut down all overseas military bases.

      Pakistan will be friendly if we stop dealing with them.

      Got it. All very reasonable.

  59. At least three sides were wrong. by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The South seceded because they thought the North was going to take away their slaves (though the war is also called "The Slaveholders' Revolt", because it was the rich slave owners deciding to secede, without a clear majority of support from the rest of the population, and there were places like Eastern Tennessee that opposed the secession on a large scale.)

    Lincoln invaded the South for reasons of nationalism. If he'd really been doing it because he cared about slavery, the Emancipation Proclamation would have happened in 1861, not in 1863 when the war was going badly and he needed to boost his ratings in the polls. America wasn't going to be able to complete its conquest of the West if it lost the South, or do any of the rest of that Manifest Destiny nonsense.

    Another wrong side were the New York draft rioters, who didn't want to be drafted to fight in the war, especially when rich people could buy their way out of the draft. They weren't doing this because they were a bunch of hippies or Quakers - they were mostly immigrant laborers who didn't want to have to compete with free black people moving up to the big city after the North won the war.

    There were probably other wrong sides as well, but over a million people got killed in that war, and there were other ways to have ended slavery.

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  60. John Galt speaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ladies and gentlemen:

    Mr. Thompson will not speak to you tonight. His time is up. I have taken it over. You were to hear a report on the world crisis. That is what you are going to hear.

    For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing—you who dread knowledge—I am the man who will now tell you.

  61. The easy way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1 - Send a message to all Facebook users.
    Step 2 - done

  62. Where, Exactly? by SWestrup · · Score: 1

    I love how the poster saw no need to mention which country or nation was doing this test. Must be Brazil. After all, there aren't any other countries connected to the internet, are there?