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US's Most Powerful Nuclear Bomb Being Dismantled

SpuriousLogic sends this excerpt from an AP report: "The last of the nation's most powerful nuclear bombs — a weapon hundreds of times stronger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima — is being disassembled nearly half a century after it was put into service at the height of the Cold War. The final components of the B53 bomb will be broken down Tuesday at the Pantex Plant near Amarillo, the nation's only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly facility. ... The weapon is considered dismantled when the roughly 300 pounds of high explosives inside are separated from the special nuclear material, known as the pit. The uranium pits from bombs dismantled at Pantex will be stored on an interim basis at the plant, Cunningham said. The material and components are then processed, which includes sanitizing, recycling and disposal, the National Nuclear Security Administration said last fall when it announced the Texas plant's role in the B53 dismantling."

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  1. Oops by Tenek · · Score: 5, Funny

    The final components will be accidentally dropped Tuesday at the Amarillo Crater...

    1. Re:Oops by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's pretty unlikely to trigger a nuclear explosion considering the requirements to reach criticality in a bomb. In most cases, you'll have explosives go off by accident on such a bomb, they don't do enough compression to cause criticality and end up being essentially a dirty bomb scattering highly enriched uranium or plutonium around.

      Which is what bunker is designed to protect against.

    2. Re:Oops by IAN · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oops, you mis-used a word there. You mean a 'critical mass' would not be caused and no nuclear detonation would result. The much more likely 'criticality' condition is a non-critical mass that causes the thermal explosion that has the same effect as a 'dirty' bomb.

      Criticality -- the point at which a fuel assembly can sustain a nuclear chain reaction by itself.

      Critical mass -- the smallest mass of fuel for which the criticality is reached; depends on geometry, density, temperature etc.

      So the GP's usage is correct. To be really precise, one could note that weapon fuel should go from subcritical to prompt critical to achieve explosion, but that would be nitpicking in this context.

    3. Re:Oops by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      Depends on what the bombs are made out of. For thermonuclear bombs you're mostly correct all of the time, and completely correct most of the time. Only if the thermonuclear part of the bomb is triggered with a straight up boring U235 gun design core is it not correct. There's a Rutherford quote I don't have the energy to look up that points out that one can get a creditable nuclear explosion out of two subcritical pieces of U235 if one places one of them on the floor and drops the other onto it off of a table. Or, I imagine, grabs one in each hand and slams them together manually (what a way to commit suicide!) Setting off high explosives in the wrong place in a gun type bomb could very definitely cook off a real nuclear explosion.

      Implosion bombs, OTOH, are damned difficult to set of at all, and require precise timing, shaped charges, and so on. I have no idea what the B53 bomb is -- if it is a BIG bomb and it DOES have Uranium in it it might not be a Pu implosion core. No matter what, accidentally setting off HE inside a nuke, even if not in the precise way that sets it off critically, is a baaaaad idea...

      rgb

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    4. Re:Oops by SETIGuy · · Score: 2

      I have no idea what the B53 bomb is -- if it is a BIG bomb and it DOES have Uranium in it it might not be a Pu implosion core.

      Its a two stage thermonuclear using an implosion primary fueled by highly enriched uranium. The secondary uses the standard magic for implosion with lithium-6 deuteride fuel. The HE initiator is sensitive to shocks, so if someone were to shoot at the warhead, the HE could go off, but the primary probably wouldn't achieve criticality due to asymmetrical compression. If you're close enough for it to be a problem, you probably won't even notice the uranium. The secondary has probably long since been removed, since (what's left of) that stuff can be useful.

  2. 9 Megatons by csshelton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since it wasn't included in the synopsis...

    1. Re:9 Megatons by pnot · · Score: 2

      Thank you, you beat me to it. I know that Hiroshimas are the standard unit of explosive force, but it's nice to state TNT equivalent just in case there happen to be any nerds reading this site.

    2. Re:9 megatons by neoform · · Score: 2

      According to wikipedia, this bomb causes a fireball 5km wide with a lethal heat-blast of 29km wide...

      The number of people killed depends entirely on where you drop it...

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    3. Re:9 Megatons by MachDelta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait, I thought our standard unit of measurement around here was the LOC?
      So, just how much damage does a LOC, when dropped from a great height, do to an urban area? Anyone know? This is Slashdot... someone knows.

    4. Re:9 megatons by Lev13than · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting that it pales in comparison to the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated, the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba. However, the Soviets only made one of those while the Americans has 50 B53s, so what they lacked in tonnage they made up for in volume.

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    5. Re:9 Megatons by egamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, I thought our standard unit of measurement around here was the LOC? So, just how much damage does a LOC, when dropped from a great height, do to an urban area? Anyone know? This is Slashdot... someone knows.

      p. Depends on how high the swallows were when they dropped it. And if they were African or European swallows. Also, are you including the bricks and stone, or just the books?

    6. Re:9 Megatons by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Well, the LOC has 147 million items, 33 million of them books. At, say an average of 1kg each, that would be, say 40 million kilos? Probably more. Lets say 50 million kg, falling from infinity to the Earth's surface gives a total energy of 3.14*10^15 joules, at 4.184Gj/ton of TNT gives a total of 750kilotons of TNT. That would be about 57 Hiroshimas. Note that the LOC probably weighs at least 2-3 times that, but Google doesn't seem to know, so whatever.

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    7. Re:9 Megatons by khallow · · Score: 2

      After I read about the aftermath of the Tsar Bomba, I would think another concern would be cracking the fucking crust of the fucking planet.

      Don't know why that would be a concern. 100 megatons isn't that much energy geologically. It's somewhere between 8.5 and 9 moment magnitude as an earthquake. In other words, the recent Japanese quake or the similar quake in Indonesia of several years ago, were larger in terms of energy released than Tsar Bomba would have been, even at full yield.

      And frankly so is anyone who is still toying with nuclear weapons. There are no upsides to their use.

      An upside to their "use" (or more accurately, lack thereof) has been about 65 years and counting of global peace. There's still the occasional large war (such as the Second Congo War or the Iran-Iraq war of the 80s), but there's a whole lot less dying from wars than there was prior to the end of the Second World War.

    8. Re:9 Megatons by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

      Hiroshima is a terrible standard of explosive force since thermonuclear weapons are much more efficient than Hiroshima or Nagasaki devices.

      Plus more modern aiming, delivery and detonation techniques make even a similar yield device more destructive.

      Grable shot showed the destructive power of the precursor wave against drag sensitive objects

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshot-Knothole_Grable

      So rather than detonate at 580 meters (Little Boy/Hiroshima), Grable is a similar yield and detonates at 160 meters and causes more damage to drag sensitive objects like buildings.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions#Blast_damage

    9. Re:9 Megatons by GumphMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, just how much damage does a LOC, when dropped from a great height, do to an urban area?

      One line of code? Not much, but you better make sure that line is appropriately licensed or the damage done by thousands of lawyers descending on your location will be devastating. :)

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    10. Re:9 Megatons by smithmc · · Score: 2

      Well, the LOC has 147 million items, 33 million of them books. At, say an average of 1kg each, that would be, say 40 million kilos? Probably more. Lets say 50 million kg, falling from infinity to the Earth's surface gives a total energy of 3.14*10^15 joules, at 4.184Gj/ton of TNT gives a total of 750kilotons of TNT. That would be about 57 Hiroshimas. Note that the LOC probably weighs at least 2-3 times that, but Google doesn't seem to know, so whatever.

      Of course, most of that would be dissipated as heat as the books/films etc. burned on the way down; very little of it would actually be translated into destructive force on impact.

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  3. 9 megatons by WebManWalking · · Score: 2

    What I wanted to know most wasn't in the summary. The Fine Article tells me that the B53 is 9 megatons.

  4. Good by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a good thing, the B53 was a last ditch weapon intended to take out the hardened bunkers of the Soviet leadership, except it was air burst which is a highly, highly ineffective was to take out a bunker. The replacement is a much smaller, much less dirty penetrator weapon, the B61 Mod 11.

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    1. Re:Good by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While the logical part of me is glad this is gone, the engineering part of my brain is sad. :)

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    2. Re:Good by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Funny

      B61 Mod 11

      Doesn't that make it the B6?

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    3. Re:Good by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      While the logical part of me is glad this is gone, the engineering part of my brain is sad. :)

      They should have detonated them and charged for tickets; there's lots of space for grandstands at the Nevada Test Site.

    4. Re:Good by pspahn · · Score: 2

      I prefer the tides, thank you.

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    5. Re:Good by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      You're correct, these are the part of strategic rather then tactical arsenal, and are a part of MAD deterrent far more then a bunker buster (though they could probably remove Ural mountains when needed). But these are old, and as ballistic missile deterrent came a bit later, it was upgraded to have MIRV payload where smaller bombs were scattered from a single warhead over larger kill zone.

      They are far more efficient when it comes to MAD scenario then a single huge bomb.

    6. Re:Good by khallow · · Score: 2

      A bunker buster, providing your bunker is within a few hundred miles or so.

      Nonsense. I find it astounding how people can find ways to exaggerate the firepower of a nuclear bomb. For example, an airburst 9 megaton warhead centered on Manhattan Island in New York City would kill most people in NYC. According to Wikipedia, it'd cause lethal burns to any exposed people within 18 miles (incidentally including all of the city) of ground zero. But if you're in a bunker a hundred miles away? You won't even notice, aside possibly from some noise.

    7. Re:Good by internerdj · · Score: 2

      And so it should be, there was an article the year before last I think talking about how that a key component to some of our submarine launched nuclear weaponry was lost to us because it was so secret no one wrote it down. We need to be careful that we don't lose the engineering knowledge of these systems in case we have a critical, but more civil use for the devices.

    8. Re:Good by the_other_chewey · · Score: 2

      I wasn't quite being as literal with the touch of a button statement, just the idea that it can be used is terrifying enough. You could probably drop it in the sea and create a tidal wave so big it would cover a medium sized country. It wouldn't just reduce navies near by, it would eradicate anything near the entire ocean.

      You seriously underestimate what is needed to cause a decent tidal wave.
      If used as a "wave generator", this bomb could cause wet feet in a single harbour,
      and only if detonated close enough (under 20km, lets say. It probably even needs
      to be closer than that, I haven't done the math) but that's pretty much all.

      Earthquakes triggering big tsunamis are vastly more powerful, and also work differently:
      Big submarine earthquakes permanently displace huge amounts of water - in the case
      of the Japan tsunami, over 100 cubic kilometers.

      A big bomb just causes a pressure wave, and no permantent water displacement:
      There is no hole in the ocean afterwards.

    9. Re:Good by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      Pah! 9 Megatons to the moon as a zit is to an elephants ass. Nothing.

      Next you're going to tell him that Armageddon had really bad (no) science in it.

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  5. Rather unfair by Lucas123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should have at least tried to sell it on eBay first to recoup some of those tax dolars -- pick up only, of course.

  6. Re:Most Powerful? by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    Is this implying there is a more powerful nuclear weapon or is this speaking in the tense that they have been disabled and no longer exist?

    Western nukes have been shrinking for years; there just isn't much use for a really big nuke other than destroying cities. A small one with precision guidance is much more useful if you actually intend to fight a nuclear war.

  7. Does it still work ? by Arlet · · Score: 2

    They should try it first, see if all the mechanisms still work after all these years.

  8. Re:Weakened nation by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2

    How does this help our nation? Oops I said the N-word, my apologies to the offended parties.

    By recycling it into something useful (weapons into plowshares and all that) instead of it sitting around costing money through expensive guarding, monitoring and maintenance not to mention Russia under the treaty dismantling nuclear warheads that were meant for killing us. Oh, and 0% chance of it accidentally going off once it's dismantled versus the extremely small percentage chance beforehand.

  9. 9 Megatons by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

    Or, roughly 200 grams of antimatter...

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  10. Titan II Missles by cdrguru · · Score: 2

    The warhead on a Titan II missle was also 9 megatons, just for reference. Not sure if it was the same design, but 9 megatons wasn't really all that large a weapon. While it may be the largest weapon deployed, the Russians had a test device that would have yielded 100 megatons.

    I suspect a far more interesting value for nuclear weapon ratings would be the effective blast radius, both as an airburst and at ground level. 9 megatons might be something that would wipe out an entire large metropolitan area, or it might be something that would just take out a city center. The difference is significant.

    In today's climate, it is unlikely any state-level actor would really want to take out an entire metropolitan area. And certainly, anything that would be able to be moved by non-state-level actors would be unlikely to have a yield big enough to do that.

  11. Not the most powerful by Deuxsonic · · Score: 2

    The B53 was not the most powerful bomb the US had in service. the B41 (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/B41_nuclear_bomb) had a theoretical maximum yield of 25 megatons, making it more powerful than even the Castle Bravo Shrimp device which had a yield of 15 megatons. The only stronger detonation was the Soviet RDS-220, or "Tsar Bomba", which had a yield of 57 megatons, reduced from 100 by replacing the uranium tamper with a lead one in order to reduce fallout.

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  12. Re:Most Powerful? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Informative

    More to the point, having a big ass nuke like this thing requires a big ass rocket to lift it. There are no countermeasures to prevent someone from shooting your one big ass nuke into bits before it can deliver it's yield; and it costs more to build and maintain than more modern designs.

    Oh, and putting 3 to 10 smaller nukes on top of a smaller rocket with better guidance packages and available space for dummy warheads delivers way more destruction for way less money. Capitalism at it's finest!

    See:
    inverse cube law, as it applies to expanding spheres
    Titan-II ICBM
    Minuteman-III ICBM
    Trident D3 SLBM
    Peacekeeper/MX ICBM (though these have since been retired as well)

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  13. Re:Notable part of American history here. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I was a child when the Cold War ended but even a decade and a half later it seems so pointless."

    Moderate nuclear wars were and remain quite practical. That was proven by atmospheric testing. Militaries on both sides developed procedures for continuing the fight near areas which had been nuked, including driving through them buttoned up in APCs and tanks.

    Given the context of Total War which was fought in WWII, destroying enemy nations was a very reasonable option to have in the toolbox. Japan and Germany had, LITERALLY, tried to destroy many of the Allies. This wasn't some game of Risk, it was real. In that context, being able to obliterate similar threats was flawlessly RATIONAL.

    Had Imperial Japan refused to surrender, it was reasonable to keep striking it until there were no more Japanese. The entire population was a weapon. The current geek weaboo view of Japan has nothing to do with the reality of what Imperial Japanese Army did to much of Asia. Japan worked long and hard to deserve every casualty it sustained, and don't forget it. The Japanese people pretend differently, but their victim neighbors are under no such delusions.

    Nuclear weapons finished WWII, and deterred nuclear war thereafter.
    That's a pretty good record. Don't use current PC fashion to judge history. Learn the details of why things came to be that you might better understand. Because the Cold War was fought "well enough", you enjoy tasty freedom and so does much of the former Soviet Union. Detente worked (praise be to Nixon!) and China is far freer than under Mao.

    Willingness to kill billions coupled with restraint and diplomacy over time worked. Apart from a few minor scuffles the Cold War was quite peaceful. Thank atomic weapons in the hands of RATIONAL, not "insane" actors.

    Without the power to kill, diplomacy means nothing because enemy power can dictate terms.

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  14. Wish granted. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here. http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20

    An approximation of thermal pulse radius, overpressure, and fallout drift for several bomb yields, including Ivy Mike (10 Mt), overlaid on Google Maps.

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  15. Re:amusing quote by Solandri · · Score: 2

    Mutually Assured Destruction (holding each others' cities hostage) may have gotten the most publicity, but you only need a few hundred nukes to accomplish MAD. The reason the U.S. and Soviets built thousands of nuclear weapons was because each one was targeted at an individual hardened missile silo or mobile launcher (and to account for a percentage of your missiles failing or being taken out). Usually those aren't located in cities, so reducing the amount of collateral damage is somewhat relevant. (This was also one of the reasons the military wanted GPS - improved accuracy was more valuable than increased explosive yield).

  16. Re:Notable part of American history here. by khallow · · Score: 3, Interesting
    First, read couchslug's reply. If you think the US's nuclear arsenal was "insane", then you don't understand what was going on.

    Will people then truly understand the insanity that led a democracy to create war machines powerful enough to end all life on this planet?

    Why this focus on the US? Where's the USSR in your narrative? Will people then truly understand the insanity that led to the USSR? The subjugation of perhaps a quarter of the world's population to a brutal and soulless ideology? The creation of an even larger nuclear force than the US had in the late 70s and early 80s in terms of raw destructive power?

    The history of the USSR is one of conquest and expansion from the end of the Russian Civil War in 1923 through to the end of 1945. After the demonstration of the US atomic bombs and the end of the Second World War, the USSR switched to a strategy of war via proxies. They managed to install communist governments in China, various places in south Asia, and a number of other places. The nuclear bomb forced them to cut back on their approach to global conquest and may have saved hundreds of millions of peoples' lives and billions of people from slavery in the process.

    I think there's a good chance that the world of 50 to 100 years from now may well envy the stability and peace of the Cold War era. The current proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East (by Pakistan and Iran) may well cause arms races not just in the Middle East, but in Africa, Europe, and South America as well. We might start seeing nuclear weapons in the hands of small groups.

    And we may see a new Cold War start between China and the US. The future may not just understand us, but go through the same thing we went through a few decades ago.

  17. Re:Notable part of American history here. by Carnildo · · Score: 2

    Apart from a few minor scuffles the Cold War was quite peaceful.

    "Minor scuffles"? You mean, like the one that killed my grandfather and two to four million other people? Or the one that killed upwards of a million? Or the one that killed anywhere from 800,000 to 3,000,000? Or...

    The Cold War was not particularly peaceful. I suspect that if you add up all the proxy wars, you'll get a death toll that easily exceeds that of World War I.

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  18. The last of the nation's most powerful bombs? by makubesu · · Score: 2

    The well ordering principal disagrees.

  19. Re:Notable part of American history here. by don.g · · Score: 2

    I can't believe I just read that.

    ...as well as having less impact on important modern nations and therefore less impact on modern man.

    Yeah, those subhumans in less affluent nations don't count for squat -- which is also, coincidentally, what they get paid for assembling your consumer electronics and running shoes.

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