Did Feds' Use of Fake Cell Tower Constitute a Search?
hessian writes with this story in Wired: "Federal authorities used a fake Verizon cellphone tower to zero in on a suspect's wireless card, and say they were perfectly within their rights to do so, even without a warrant. But the feds don't seem to want that legal logic challenged in court by the alleged identity thief they nabbed using the spoofing device, known generically as a stingray. So the government is telling a court for the first time that spoofing a legitimate wireless tower in order to conduct surveillance could be considered a search under the Fourth Amendment in this particular case, and that its use was legal, thanks to a court order and warrant that investigators used to get similar location data from Verizon's own towers."
As they are intercepting communications, it is unquestionably a wiretap.
Whether the courts are still legitimate enough to declare that remains to be seen.
Are man in the middle attacks legal?
Suspected criminal...
Yeah throw due process out the window. You realize that you could be turned into a criminal at any time with just the stroke of a pen from a politician, right?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Because criminals are entitled to a complete and proper defense?
When it comes to privacy, every inch we give results in another mile taken by the government. Consider how the Patriot act evolved from where it began back in 2001 to where it is today, the way the TSA began and the way it is being pushed out beyond it's original boundaries with people advocating and supporting random vehicle searches on Interstates, shipping, busing, backscatter X-ray being used for major sporting events which will eventually trickle down to every public building and who knows how far beyond that...
The Fourth Amendment exists because privacy is necessary for liberty and a free society.
IF they have a warrant for a targeted wiretap why not go to verizon??? This device exists so they can avoid having to get warrants all the paperwork etc that verizon might require. The FCC should come down on them hard unless for impersonating a cell tower they did not have the rights to use those frequencies. It sounds like they are trying to use there few legit cases to justify them having and using these devices.
How long before the real criminals figure out how to use encrypted voip? I already have this on my phone connecting me to the office pbx.
No sir I dont like it.
Because criminals are entitled to a complete and proper defense?
Not really. It's because it takes a complete and proper defense to be (fairly) certain that the defendant is in fact a criminal.
United States v. Jones will be argued in the Supreme Court this week, on whether warrantless tracking of a drug dealer by putting a GPS tracker on his car requires a warrant on the fourth Amendment.
An idiot would think that we were arguing that case in the Supreme Court to defend drug dealers. Maybe the guy actually arguing it is--but the reason that we are considering it as a society, the reason we care about these things, is because of the risk of it being done to innocent people. The risk of government tracking everyone as part of its standard law enforcement duties. (I'm not saying NSA doesn't do that now, but law enforcement doesn't usually.) There should be some limit on the power of the people acting for the state--Something that at least requires a police officer to say "there is probable cause to search this person and here's why..."
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
Because sometimes the criminals are the ones on our payroll.
If I set up a fake tower to sniff people's cell packets, I go directly to jail. That's practically indefensible.
If the government does it "to catch a criminal", they need to request permission via the proper channels, i.e. warrants. It is a special privilege that must be diligently controlled and protected from abuse. If we start giving law enforcement officials (and their subcontractors) carte-blanche to effectively commit criminal acts, without oversight nor disclosure, in the name of crime-fighting, then democracy is effectively abolished.
-Billco, Fnarg.com