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A Brief History of Failed Digital Rights Management Schemes

antdude points out this article at opensource.com on the "graveyard" of digital rights management schemes — the death of each of which has left customers out in the cold. An excerpt: "There are more than a few reasons digital rights management (DRM) has been largely unsuccessful. But the easiest way to explain to a consumer why DRM doesn't work is to put it in terms he understands: 'What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?' It was one thing when it was a theoretical question. Now it's a historical one ..."

149 comments

  1. What happens? by wsxyz · · Score: 4, Funny

    'What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    Answer: It PlaysForSure (TM).

    1. Re:What happens? by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's one thing to stop selling music with a certain DRM scheme. It's quite another to tell customers that they won't be able to play it again. How this is even fucking legal is beyond me. Either keep your damned DRM server up or give users alternatives, ie, a legit way to strip the DRM or the exact same music in a different format.

    2. Re:What happens? by Arlet · · Score: 1

      Of course there's an alternative. You can always buy the music again in a different format.

    3. Re:What happens? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      Its probably legal because like steam they would have stated in their ToC that they are just giving you a licence to play the music, which can be revoked at any time

    4. Re:What happens? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 0

      I meant ToS/TnC reddit can manage edits, so can yahoo answers and the stackexchange network: when will /. manage to provide that feature

    5. Re:What happens? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      You can always download the music in a different format.

      FTFY

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    6. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider it DRM.

    7. Re:What happens? by ideonexus · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you're screwed and your music collection is no longer accessible. MSN Music Store, Yahoo! Music Unlimited, Wal-Mart... FTFA it sounds like when each one of these services was discontinued, the customers were warned that all the music they purchased would no longer be accessible. This is why I crack the DRM off every ebook I buy from Amazon (I know I should go to the B&N Nook) and why I won't "buy" streaming movies from them that get stored in their cloud.

      Too bad the article only covers music. There are so many half-brained lessons from the history of DRM in other media. Remember DIVX from 1998 the DVD you bought and then had to pay each time you wanted watch it? And don't even get me started on video games, where DRM has condemned so many great titles to the graveyard of unplayability.

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    8. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly like I did with Star Wars.

      I bought it on VHS.
      Bought it on LaserDisc too.
      Bought the special edition on LD.
      Then came the DVDs, bought them too.
      Now BluRay... guess what... Fuck You George Lucas and Fuck You media industry.

      I now downloaded all my media and buy it when it hits a price I agree with.
      Movies.. less than $5 in HD or $3 in SD.
      Music.. no more than 10cents per track.
      TV shows & anime.. under $1 per episode.
      If the price never gets that low I dont buy but either way I'm happy.
      That is my EULA and if you dont like it you know where you can shove your opinions media industry.

    9. Re:What happens? by CurryCamel · · Score: 1

      What? Are we supposed to both read and understand those legal documents?

    10. Re:What happens? by DeathFromSomewhere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      /. intentionally disallows edits so people can't trick others into strawman attacks.

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    11. Re:What happens? by gman003 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      It's deliberate - /. tries to force you to spell-check and proofread your posts before posting them. To quote the FAQ:

      No. We believe that discussions in Slashdot are like discussions in real life- you can't change what you say, you only can attempt to clarify by saying more. In other words, you can't delete a comment that you've posted, you only can post a reply to yourself and attempt to clarify what you've said.

      In short, you should think twice before you click that 'Submit' button because once you click it, we aren't going to let you Undo it.

      It's still rather common to see someone make a foolish mistake, like using BBCode instead of HTML, or using the wrong SI prefix on something.

    12. Re:What happens? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 0

      A stackexchange like system would help prevent that

    13. Re:What happens? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 0

      Unfortunetely, a real life system kind of allows you to append to your original speech. posting a reply to yourself has the potential to start 2 different threads, IRL you would have the same thread

    14. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's one thing to stop selling music with a certain DRM scheme. It's quite another to tell customers that they won't be able to play it again. How this is even fucking legal is beyond me

      You say that as if you're surprised. Yet each time a new DRM scam came out over the years, this very forum would be full of posts predicting that very scenario.

      The bottom line is that big business can never be trusted. And the penalty for a big business intentionally violating trust should be the hanging of their senior executives.

    15. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except no-one flipped a killswitch on your Star Wars DVDs. They'll still work just as well as they did the day you bought them if you haven't wrecked them.

    16. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We should stop thinking of DRM as controlling music/video. DRM is actually about controlling the software you can run.

      Software plays the music and the video. DRM is all about ensuring that only authorised software is allowed to access certain data. Once you have that level of control in the hands of IT companies (see also Trusted Computing, Trusted Platform Module/TPM, UEFI), it's game over for privacy and consumer rights.

    17. Re:What happens? by nightfell · · Score: 2

      No, Answer: not a damed thing.

      Music isn't sold with DRM anymore. The whole argument is moot, you're fighting a past battle. You are trying to convince non-nerds to rally against DRM, and the best example you can come up with is one that isn't even relevant?

      The problem is you are trying to convince people to hold an opinion that they simply have no reason to hold. You're grasping at straws. Sure, they are plenty of reasons for a subset of computer geeks to be strongly opposed to DRM, but there are very few reasons for regular people to. For them, DRM is mostly invisible.

      DVDs, Blu-ray, cable tv, Xbox, PS3, Wii, iOS, Android... These all contain and extensively use DRM, and most people don't even know it's there, because it works so well.

      The premise of this story is false. DRM hasn't been largely unsuccessful, it's been wildly successful. There are only a few edge cases where there have been notable issues and failures.

    18. Re:What happens? by VitaminB52 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They'll still work just as well as they did the day you bought them if you haven't wrecked them.

      Some of the first CD's I bought have become unplayable due to CD rot. Contrary to what the CD manufacturers want you to believe CD's won't last for ever. Nor will DVD's.

    19. Re:What happens? by cfalcon · · Score: 0

      It is poor. What SHOULD happen, if this was truly their goal, is for there to be an "edit line" beneath your post. Here's an example of what it could look like, but you'd want the edit line to be part of the formatting, and not have the possibility of it being simulated or expunged via text:

      -A- -A- -B- -B- -C- -C- -- ---POSTPENDLINE-- -C- -C- -B- -B- -A- -A-

      Then your existing stuff would be added to your post here.

    20. Re:What happens? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's funny how an individual whose child downloads a few tracks without paying becomes public enemy number one but when a company gets paid but stops providing the tracks, it's just business as usual.

      And they wonder why more and more people are coming to see law and the courts as morally bankrupt.

    21. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DVDs have DRM (ineffective as it is) called CSS AND they have region coding.
      Region coding is just as bad as DRM. I do not accept artificial limitations on commerce created purely to create artificial scarcity and increase profits.
      If its available anywhere I have the right to obtain it at its lowest price. They can try to stop me if they can.

    22. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over my 5 DVD writers (including 2 Blu-ray writers) churning out data with DVD Fab HD Decrypter, my Xbox 360 with modified DVD firmware, my softmodded Wii, jailbroken iPhone, and Cyanogen-modded EVO.

    23. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Up until relatively recently you had to buy a new copy for technological reasons. At least when they went from DVD to BluRay they tended to give something extra. The ones that don't get extras end up not being purchased by me.

    24. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I take it you're being sarcastic, but I for one don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on attorneys fees each time somebody wants me to agree to their ToS. That would literally require me to have an attorney on retainer for each end every single site I do business with.

      At some point, we need to just admit that the whole thing has gone ridiculously far out of control and needs to be fixed.

    25. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Thank you, thank you, thank you for using 'price' instead of 'price point'.

      By the way, try "Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized Edition". It's an HD (720p) version with all the scenes restored to the original (Han Solo shoots first!).

    26. Re:What happens? by nightfell · · Score: 1

      In other words, all your DRM-enabled equipment. Got it.

    27. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Allowing edits while there are no replies (and warning people who had already started a reply that the contents had changed) wouldn't have such problems, though.

    28. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The fix is to have strong consumer protection, like plenty of EU directives provide. Any EULA terms that violate them are invalid, so you as the user don't need to worry about them.

    29. Re:What happens? by spyowl · · Score: 1

      This type of thinking is akin to straightening the ship that's sinking on one side by drilling a whole and sinking its other side too. How about enforce laws equally for everyone to start with? Would Sony be contractually liable if you sent them your own version of EULA in the [e]mail? Would you be able to take that piece of [e]mail to the court and argue against Sony? How about your bank? Facebook? Amazon?

    30. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Extra? Whats extra? The story is unchanged.
      All they've done is add irrelevant data. Its still the same movie.

      Paying more for HD makes as much sense as paying more for a 320kbps MP3 instead of a 160kbps.
      Or paying more for for a car because the speedometer shows your speed in hundredths of a mph.

    31. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 0

      Wait, why are you modded Informative? No-one made you go out and buy Star Wars on LaserDisc - what, they came round at night and smashed up your video player? No-one then made you go out and buy the Special Edition. Did Lucas have a kill switch on the original LD versions? No-one made you go and buy the DVDs, either. Surely you could have just watched the LaserDisc? You're conflating media unusable because of broken DRM with... someone quite happy to make money from people like you who keep on buying the same damned films on new media and then, bizarrely, complaining about it. You could have carried on watching your VHS. It's my understanding that format switching in the USA hasn't been subject to the same legal grey status as it has in the UK, so you could have digitised your videos perfectly happily. What the hell are you complaining about?

      Secondly, you - you, an anonymous coward on Slashdot who for all we know knows as much about media and the entertainment industry as Coco the Clown knew about CPU design - are seeing fit to declare to the entire entertainment industries fair prices. With the number of people who would buy an episode of a TV show, for all you or I know, it cannot be done for less than $1 an episode, not if they want to keep production values up. The same goes for movies, eBooks and music. Sure, the companies are currently making a hefty profit and I've no doubt things could be one hell of a lot cheaper than they are now and still give them a reasonable income, but demanding absurdly low prices and stating "if you don't like it you know where you can shove your opinions" is pretty unhelpful.

      And besides that, so you don't like the prices the entertainment industry demand. That's your prerogative - so don't buy. But why on Earth do you still assume you've got the right to download it for free? You can surely understand why they take an extremely dim view of you going and downloading their products for free.

    32. Re:What happens? by Mike610544 · · Score: 1

      I now downloaded all my media and buy it when it hits a price I agree with.

      I was going to accuse you of just being a cheap bastard, but I thought about it, and I'm just as bad in a slightly different way.

      If I can't download/stream a thing legally, I'll usually get the torrent. I really don't care what it costs (within reason).

      It's annoying when I want to give a company money for their content, and they don't let me do it.

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    33. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Only if they were the end-user of some software or service I was providing. Do you even know what EULA means?

    34. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But why on Earth do you still assume you've got the right to download it for free?

      Why on Earth would he assume he doesn't?

    35. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      The story is unchanged, but the quality discs have all sorts of features, like they did with DVDs, but more extensive. The Princess Bride, for instance, had not just a remastered film, but a game and several rather long featurettes about how the film came to be.

      Unlike in your example, you can definitely tell that it's higher def, assuming that it was done by technicians. With the MP3s, you'd never notice the difference regardless of how well the technicians did their job.

    36. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes the EU is great. Of course it's mostly worthless. When it includes the countries that aren't bankrupt I'm sure its "directives" will be meaningful to somebody sometime.

      > The fix is to have strong consumer protection.

      The EU has none of that nor courts nor jurisdiction to enforce it if they did have it.

      > like plenty of EU directives provide

      Yeah companies the world over give a rat's ass about EU directive.

      > Any EULA terms that violate them are invalid

      Right, so until batman comes swooping off the roof that means as much as the EU - nothing. The EU is one big irrelevant bankrupt shitstorm of political disaster.

      > so you as the user don't need to worry about them

      I don't worry about the EU. I also don't take your legal advice to be meaningful. Clearly you lack an understanding of laws, culpability, enforcement, and the EU being...

      Like your advice...

      Useless.

    37. Re:What happens? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The choice is to REVOKE Copyright by Constitutional Amendment. That's right, we THE PEOPLE have given them the ability to copyright works, and as such, we have the right to revoke it any time we want.

      There are other alternatives as well. Conditional Copyright, which if you stick additional terms and conditions on a copyrightable work, you CANNOT Copyright it, and all Copyright laws do not, nor cannot apply to that work.

      We don't need "consumer" laws, because this is a CONSTITUTIONAL question. But then again, we haven't followed the Constitution in any meaningful way in a long long time.

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    38. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... If you mean that the DRM "works so well" because it essentially doesn't work at all and is essentially harmless you are right. None of those DRM schemes or devices you mention are dropping rootkits and they are all trivially broken.

      I am going to go with the more likely scenario that you are a complete fuckwit.

    39. Re:What happens? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because I have to jump through hoops to make a copy of a DVD or BR that I've bought, since it's not like I'm getting a replacement if it gets scratched. Or the inability to digitally record cable TV without fiddling around with it. I call that "working so awesome, I always notice it." Other stuff I don't know about since I don't use them.

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    40. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      If the EU "has no courts", then EULAs are unenforceable by definition, since you need courts to enforce contracts like them.

      Good job disproving your own point.

    41. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      True, this is Slashdot where a large number of people think they're entitled to everything for free.

      Along those lines, only 30% modded me overrated, although an astonishing 40% of the moderators think that it's trolling to ask an off-topic anonymous coward why he feels he's got the right to get everything for free if he doesn't want to pay what the producers ask.

    42. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, that's god damn right god damn it. Damn George Lucus pointing a gun at your head, making you buy all those things.

      I mean seriously the industry is too god damn greedy. If I buy a soft cover book, I don't want to have to buy it again when they release it in hard cover. Or when they issue a reprint with updates and corrections. Or when they release the book on tape. And the book on tape on CD. And the book on tape on DVD-Audio. And the movie based on the book at the cinema. And the home video release of the movie based on the book on VHS and Betamax. And the DVD release of the movie based on the book. And the Blu Ray release of the movie based on the book. And the iTunes digital copy of the movie based on the book. And the Amazon digital copy of the movie based on the book. And the Blu Ray, DVD and Digital Copy Triple Pack of the movie based on the book. And the Blu Ray 1080p re-mastered edition of the movie based on the book. And the special limited collector's edition of the Blu Ray 1080p re-mastered edition of the movie based on the book with bonus post cards, statuette and assorted trinkets. And the CD soundtrack of the movie based on the book. And the CD soundtrack features songs inspired by the movie based on the book. And the script and production notes of the movie based on the book. And the graphic novel edition of the book. And the animated series based on the book. And the live-action TV series based on the book. And the spin-off series of the TV series based on the book. And the movie of the spin-off series based on the book. And the video game acting as a prequel to the movie based on the book - on PC, PS3, 360, Atari 2600, Wii, 3DS and PSP. And the book's sequel. And the sequel's sequel. And the trilogy box set of the books. And the Kindle edition of the book trilogy. Also in PDF, DOC, RTF and TXT formats. And the movies, soundtracks and box sets of the movies based on the book trilogy. And the 2011 remake of the movie trilogy based on the book trilogy which isn't as good because it changes minor details in the story for cinematic value but hey at least it's got Johnny Depp in it. And the fourth instalment of the book series written by the late author's son who inherited the estate and IP.
      And yes, even the fucking Ewok Christmas Special.

      It's really not that much to ask for from these greedy copyright holders, the greedy fucks want us to...no, MAKE us buy it all.
      And god damn it if I don't get EVERYTHING I demand I'm going to occupy wall street and burn London to the fucking ground because those assholes are so greedy.

    43. Re:What happens? by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Why is it legal? Because you didn't buy the music, you licensed it. This is closer to a "rent" model... You rent the music for as long as the licensor decides to allow you to rent it. When they turn off the DRM servers, the rental period is over. Your done!

    44. Re:What happens? by Teancum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of the first vinyl LP albums that I bought years ago have become unplayable due to scratches and hard usage. Contrary to what LP album manufacturers want you to believe, LP records won't last forever.

      Well, something like that. The mythical "100 year compact disc" certainly was never believed, and all forms of data storage have problems. To get a very long lasting CD, it needed to be essentially an "archival quality" impression onto some durable material, preferably a metal like gold. You can buy such materials, but they are very expensive and generally are not in common usage because the expected life span of those discs aren't all that long.

      DVD discs, and Blu-ray discs even more so, have even higher data density and thus are even more prone to accumulated errors.

      From an historical perspective, the only way that any information has been preserved over long periods of time is to keep copying that information, preferably to distribute that information widely as well to as many people as possible so if a few copies of that information are lost it can be recovered from the redundancy alone. That certainly is the only way ancient texts such as the Greek literature like the Iliad and religious texts like the New Testament and Talmud have been preserved over the centuries.

      It is also a part of human culture, where ideas are over time weeded out. This includes music, where the really bad stuff has simply been forgotten over time. Sometimes good stuff is lost too, but that is part of life. The reason why "classics" are so fondly remembers is that the awful stuff that was being made at the same time isn't remembered.

    45. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      True, this is Slashdot where a large number of people think they're entitled to everything for free.

      No, Mr. Strawman, just some things. Air, sunlight, stuff that people share with me (like strings of bytes).

    46. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      No, your parent post was right. Some of us around here are still troglodytes who prefer to buy their music on CDs. It's still by far the better way to get decent sound reproduction than those crappy compressed files you might get from iTunes. Of course, there are some outlets who let you download and send you optical media, but I guess they're in the minority...

    47. Re:What happens? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      The company that sold you the DRM music get tired of paying for developers to maintain and optimize the DRM, pay for the DRM IP royalties, and tire of supporting disgruntled users with DRM issues... while the competition is "giving it away" and making pure profit without the DRM hassles. So they cut their losses and shut their DRM servers - with a consolation coupon toward 30% off the next Usher download.

      Read that its not about you, or the artists, its about maximizing price/profit with their product.

      That will ultimately be the downfall of all these IP laws being passes around the world. eventually companies/countries figure out they can't keep making money from it, because someone else will be doing it better than them. I figure the US is painting itself into a corner as most of the patents will start coming from developing countries and we are spending more to license overseas IP.

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    48. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      Nah, it's a crude generalisation, not a strawman - it's a reponse to a direct statement by an anonymous coward that he downloads everything and only buys it if they sell it to him cheaply enough. To do that implies that he feels entitled to do so. Your statement could be read either in support of the AC or against him; I took it the latter way because that pleased me.

    49. Re:What happens? by Teancum · · Score: 1

      That goes to the argument that copyright terms are simply too long. If copyright was allowed to expire, you would now be seeing scenes where Han Solo shoots Captain Kirk inside of Stargate Command when the Cylons have taken over, but the Browncoats are organizing a resistance movment to take it back.

      While I might see something like that on YouTube, such "mashups" are generally illegal. It would make for some fun story telling, however.

    50. Re:What happens? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The FLACs you ripped from them will remain playable forever.

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    51. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      It's annoying when I want to give a company money for their content, and they don't let me do it.

      Agreed. Back in the late '90s I conceived a desire to obtain the complete set of Max Headroom DVDs or whatever was available as downloads, but was frustrated by the copyright holder's (Warner, IIRC) refusal to distribute their material. Since the recordings were then otherwise unobtainable, I paid good money for bootleg (and crap quality NTSC) copies burned to DVD from a commercial Kansas TV station. I have absolutely no ethical qualms about this, since I would have been quite happy to pay a fair price for legitimate recordings.

    52. Re:What happens? by spyowl · · Score: 1

      The point is not who is the end user. The point is what constitutes a contract in general.

    53. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      The story is unchanged, but the quality discs have all sorts of features, like they did with DVDs, but more extensive. The Princess Bride, for instance, had not just a remastered film, but a game and several rather long featurettes about how the film came to be.

      Dude I barely have time to watch the show. I don't need 60 bullshit interviews with actors, the director, the director's ex-girlfriend, the director's ex-roommate, the grip, the music director, dolly, and one of the actor's pet dogs. It's not value added. It's shit. Out-takes can be funny but they're worthless.Trailers, don't make me fucking laugh - that's the marketing bullshit. Occassionally extended editions are relevant, but more often than not revisionist crap. Keep the fucking extras you dim-witted slack-jawed greedy fuckers.,

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    54. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      You could have carried on watching your VHS. It's my understanding that format switching in the USA hasn't been subject to the same legal grey status as it has in the UK, so you could have digitised your videos perfectly happily

      I hearby award you the disingenuous idiot of the year award. Do you know how fucking hard and time consuming it is to digitize a library. Unless your time is worth nothing, it would be much MUCH cheaper to go out and re-buy.

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    55. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      DVDs, Blu-ray, cable tv, Xbox, PS3, Wii, iOS, Android... These all contain and extensively use DRM, and most people don't even know it's there, because it works so well.

      What IN THE FUCK are you smoking? Most people don't know it's there because it's ineffective and there is a workaround. People who care have ways of copying DVD, stealing cable, pirating console games, and rooting their iPhones and Androids. People who don't care don't bother. Plenty notice who don't care enough to work around it. I can't count the number of colleagues who bitch about scratched disks or iTunes downloads they have lost.

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    56. Re:What happens? by vaporland · · Score: 1

      DiVX was a DVD that self destructed about 36 hours after you first played it. Once you watched it, you threw it in the trash. This stupid idea contributed to the eventual downfall of Circuit City...

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    57. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      I hereby award you the "patronising cunt of the year" award. He was talking about the Star Wars films. Does he have a whole fucking library of Star Wars films? No, sorry, this is Slashdot, of course he fucking does.

      As for anything else, watch them on a video player - easy. Hell, you can even digitise it *while* watching it on the VHS. Then when you go to bed that evening you can leave the computer re-encoding it. This isn't rocket science, you know. No-one said he had to spend ten solid days encoding every VHS he owned.

    58. Re:What happens? by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I found a copy of an old BBC Comedy called 'Allo 'Allo. I'm in the U.S., said DVD was Region 2 and subtitled in Dutch. So yes, I'm ripping it and re-burning it sans DVD. And it don't break my heart one little bit.

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    59. Re:What happens? by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      256kbps AAC = "crappy compress files"? Are you kidding me? Good luck ever noticing the difference between that and the CD unless you have a $10k+ sound system.

    60. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly like I did with Star Wars.

      I bought it on VHS.
      Bought it on LaserDisc too.
      Bought the special edition on LD.
      Then came the DVDs, bought them too.
      Now BluRay... guess what... Fuck You George Lucas and Fuck You media industry.

      I now downloaded all my media and buy it when it hits a price I agree with.

      Why are you blaming the media industry for your somehwat obsessive compulsive buying of the same movies on each subsequent format? And what does this have to do with DRM? You could have stuck to VHS... you do know VHS will still work, right?

    61. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Good luck ever noticing the difference between that and the CD unless you have a $10k+ sound system.

      As it happens, I do. But (FWIW) that amount seems to be a useful limit from the point of view of diminishing returns. I could mortgage my house, life and hypothetical first-born child for a more technologically cool sound setup, without ever realising much perceptible gain in sound quality.

      Actually, I guess I'm a liar. A few months ago, I tried out a pair of Monitor Audio RX8 speakers in conjunction with components identical to mine, and the sound was gobsmackingly electrifying, but the upgrade idea didn't pass the wife acceptability test, so it was shitcanned.

    62. Re:What happens? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      IANAL but a legal contract involves an exchange between to parties. Thus if the company were to revoke what they gave in the exchange, they could be required to surrender what they received.

      The industry lawyers would argue that the limited time that you could use the music is what they gave, thus they are within their rights to keep the consumer's money.

      The consumer's lawyer would argue that the consumer was lead to believe that the music was time-unlimited.
      But, lawyers are expensive, so the industry is hoping that people won't hire one to get back the cash for a few $.99 songs.

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    63. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't hear the difference between 320kbps and 160kbps or see the difference between SD and HD content then you've gotten bigger problems than paying for new versions.

  2. Successful DRM by nepka · · Score: 1

    There's one highly successful "DRM" that can't be circumcised and what game companies have been started doing lately. It originates from Asia, where piracy has always been a problem, but only recently has been started gaining support in western markets. Many people hate it, many love it, but it's a direct result of piracy, and also what more and more companies will start using. It's free2play games, and other multiplayer games, and means dark times for single player gamers.

    I think Valve succeeded with f2p in Team Fortress 2. It doesn't get too much in the way, and users can still get everything without paying lots of money. But there is incentive to do so. But then there's also all those Facebook games and other shitty free2play games which practically require you to pay lots and lots of money. It also means one can buy advantage in the game. But in the end, it is result of the widespread piracy and companies adapting to the situation, just like people always said they should do.

    1. Re:Successful DRM by ZackSchil · · Score: 3, Funny

      I assume it can't be circumcised because, as conceptual business model, it lacks genitalia.

    2. Re:Successful DRM by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      Dark times for single player? I think there are plenty of (indie) game developers happy to fill the void.

    3. Re:Successful DRM by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      TF2 is the only F2P game ive ever played where i dont feel a constant tug on my wallet. I think the crates are fucking genius.

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      Good-bye
    4. Re:Successful DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd like to provide some proof that cash shops are a direct response to piracy instead of, say, people realizing people will pay to win/for convenience/for more shinies to play dolly dress-up with, feel free to share.

  3. Easy by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    No music for you!

    NEXT!

    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

      No music for you!

      NEXT!

      Close, but no cigar. What happens is "Lawsuit!".

      If the company goes out of business on the other hand, you're screwed.

  4. Some changes were quite good ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

    1. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

      Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

      You left out the part where we had to pay 30 cents a song for the privilege.

      On the other hand - even now, Apple still supports the original DRMed files if you choose not to upgrade - so this case isn't really a good example of a company "changing its mind" a la PlaysForSure.

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    2. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      You left out the part where Apple used it's market dominance to essentially force the record companies to offer the music at minimal prices compared to what would have been charged otherwise. And then forced them further to permit free-and-clear downloads which they had vowed to never allow.

            Brett

    3. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

      What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

      Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

      You left out the part where we had to pay 30 cents a song for the privilege.

      On the other hand - even now, Apple still supports the original DRMed files if you choose not to upgrade - so this case isn't really a good example of a company "changing its mind" a la PlaysForSure.

      If you are a user of iCloud there is no charge for the upgrade.

    4. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Since Apple entered our local market with iTunes, individual music track prices have literally doubled. If it wasn't for Apple sure we'd only have DRMed WMA music with pathetically easily removed DRM, but we'd be paying a hell of a lot less for it.

      Don't know where you got "minimal prices".

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  5. What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

    The list shows gravestone icons both for those cases where companies stopped using DRM and left their users out in the cold, and for those cases where they stopped using DRM and let users get DRM-free tracks instead.

    One is loss for the users, one is a win. Why are both presented as the same thing?

    1. Re:What is the point of this list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because removal of DRM wasn't free in that case. 30 is too much to get my music to play everywhere.

    2. Re:What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      That pricing has long since changed. And the list contains other events too without any pricing complications.

    3. Re:What is the point of this list? by VanGarrett · · Score: 2

      Because the article is about DRM schemes that failed, not about DRM schemes that screwed people over.

    4. Re:What is the point of this list? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      That pricing has long since changed. And the list contains other events too without any pricing complications.

      No it hasn't. It still costs $0.30 to remove DRM from old FairPlay encrypted tracks.

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    5. Re:What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Which is about as useful as a list of airplanes that have failed, which includes airplane crashes and airplanes that have been taken out of use due to old age. What are we supposed to actually do with this information?

  6. What do you mean it didn't work? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you mean it didn't work? DRM schemes such as Microsoft's "Play Anywhere" are abandoned and then the customer who paid good money for the music has to buy it again if they still want it,. DRM works exactly as planned and intended/

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    1. Re:What do you mean it didn't work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is because you didn't buy it in the first place! It's information! In can not be owned bought or stolen, just as you can't go north of north pole, as the terms make no sense in this context. That's why it says "license".

      Why don't people get this shit? (I blame the propaganda of the organized crime.)

      You paid for a set of rights, with rules attached that you are in practice not physically able to comply to: Not passing it on to third parties.
      Something that already happened when it passed through every router on the way from them to you. Something that happens every time you have friends over any play the music to them. Something that happens whenever you remember any bit of the song and communicate it to somebody else in any way.
      In other words: Utterly unrealistic "rules". But that's the point, as they are part of what is essentially just a racketeering scheme in sheepskin.

      Ok, I'm preaching to the choir here... ;)

  7. No SDMI? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that SDMI is not listed. It was a complete failure and is utterly pointless now, yet many CDs still have SDMI watermarks and CD players still check.

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    Palm trees and 8
  8. Excerpt misses the point entirely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The consumer who has given it so much as the slightest bit of thought has always understood why to avoid DRM. It's the asshole proponents of such systems, and those who would support them, that need it broken down into small words and colorful drawings so that they may understand why we say "no" to DRM.

    1. Re:Excerpt misses the point entirely. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      And if it's anything like the subset who are video game fans, it's a hopeless cause. Apparently, to these twonks, everything up to and including raping their mother with their father's disembodied head is forgivable as long as $Incremental_Release_N+1 comes out, eventually.

      Easily recognized on gaming forums as they are declaring "game of the year!" about games that haven't even been pre-released to critics yet (and far too often for all of them to have been beta-testers).

      Solution: Suggest construction of a new B-Ark.

  9. Correction by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    SDMI was not deployed, I was thinking of a different system (Macrovision). Time for that afternoon coffee (nap?).

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    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With respect to SDMI, a number of DRM schemes (Apple's "FairPlay", Microsoft's "PlaysForSure", Microsoft's Zune DRM, Sony's "MagicGate") took its place. It should be noted that the industry launched SDMI after the RIAA lost their court suit against a MP3 player vendor, and that based on the court ruling that format shifting was legal Fair Use, there was absolutely no justification for any sort of copy protection or DRM at all. Yet that was their first reaction.

      MacroVision was inflicted on VHS tapes and DVDs. Originally someone must have observed that if they put a defective signal on a tape, they could break VCRs. Later, they baked it into the DVD standard (so that the players would generate the defective signals to break the VCRs). They also got it cooked into the DMCA so that VCRs MUST break when they detect such signals.

      There was a "CD" DRM plan involving secret auto-play installation of a root kit, which was there to "protect" other unwanted software, which prevented the lawful owner of a CD from extracting digital audio from a CD for use on an iPod, MP3 player, etc. Many of the CDs had really interesting titles, too, like "The Invisible Invasion", or "Paranoid In Suspicious Times" !!!

  10. history goes back much further by bcrowell · · Score: 1, Informative

    TFA only goes back to 1998. The history of DRM goes back much, much further than that, the only difference being that it was called "copy protection" rather than DRM. In the early 1980's, there was the first wave of mass-marketed personal computers: Apple II, TRS-80, etc. Software houses often sold games, for example, on 5" floppies in a format designed to make it possible to play the game, but to make it hard to copy the disk using the OS's standard tools. Computer users voted against copy protection with their feet. For one thing, there was no other backup format besides those unreliable 5" floppies, so if you couldn't copy it to another floppy, you were basically just paying to be able to run the software for as many years as the floppy was readable. Software houses started to realize how much users hated copy protection, so they stopped doing it.

    Now we're just going through all the same stuff again, but with a new name, "DRM," and a new generation of computer users that hasn't wised up yet. They need to have their first experience of losing their investment in software, music, or whatever, and then they'll realize that they don't want to touch DRM with a 10-foot pole.

    1. Re:history goes back much further by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      TFA only goes back to 1998. The history of DRM goes back much, much further than that, the only difference being that it was called "copy protection" rather than DRM

      The author of the article knew the difference between DRM and Copy Protection. Given the context of the article being about content no longer playing, wanting a history of copy protection in this article is like asking for an article about unpopular cars to include a history of the horse-drawn carriage.

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    2. Re:history goes back much further by bcrowell · · Score: 0

      The author of the article knew the difference between DRM and Copy Protection. Given the context of the article being about content no longer playing, wanting a history of copy protection in this article is like asking for an article about unpopular cars to include a history of the horse-drawn carriage.

      I'd claim that the only significant difference is the name. In 1983, I could buy "content" (software), it would stop working when the floppy died, and I'd be out of luck, because I'd have no way to back it up. In 2011, I can buy "content" (which could be software, music, or a book), it will stop working, and I'll be out of luck, because I have no way to back it up. Your point would be more persuasive if all copy protection used to work a certain way, and if all DRM currently worked a certain way, which was different -- but that's not the case. For example, some people distribute PDF files that are supposed to be viewable but not printable; this is pure security through obscurity, just like a typical copy-protection scheme used in the 80's.

    3. Re:history goes back much further by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Not working due to media failure != not working due to lack of permission. Note the use of the term 'rights' and not 'copies'.

      Quite percussive.

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    4. Re:history goes back much further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes much further than than. Back before floppies there was tape cassettes. You would insert the tape in a standard tape player and press play. The program would load up into the machine and you could run your program. This was also Apple, TRS-80's and Commodores. Copy protection would then refuse you to let you save that loaded program back to tape.

      I bought Zaxon from Radio Shack on tape and played it every day for months, that was until the tape got stuck in the player one day then the program would never load. Did the manufacturer send out a replacement tape??? Nope. Buy another one. So I found a service that would let you rent the tapes by mail. If you kept it for more than 3 days they billed you, if you kept it less than 3 days they would sent you another one until you kept one for more than 3 days.

      I went back to Radio Shack and bought a decent tape deck and a bunch of Chromium tapes. An hour long tape held about 10 games. Best copy device I ever knew.

      I never kept a tape longer than a day before it was back in the mail. I miss that service.

  11. LoL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "DRM" the one thing in this world that turns me to breaking the law by using torrents. I bought it, ITS MINE. end of.

    You cant stop the signal Mal.

  12. little known fact... by alienzed · · Score: 1

    DRM actually stands for "Digital Retard Monetization", because let's face it, you'd have to be daft to buy something with restrictions when the free and unlocked versions are even easier to obtain.

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  13. Licence to music by stooo · · Score: 0

    >>It's one thing to stop selling music with a certain DRM scheme. It's quite another to tell customers that they won't be able to play it

    They don't sell music any more. They sell temporary licenses to listen to music.

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  14. Constitution of USA by roman_mir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    US federal Constitution was a pretty significant attempt at trying to keep the corruption out of politics. It was eventually cracked (it was cracked a number of times, a few times the problems have been fixed, but eventually it was cracked for good.)

    The way they cracked it finally is by ensuring that not only Congress and Senate and White house had trojans introducing viruses, but they also broke the court system, especially the Supreme Court.

    They used a distributed denial of law attack from all levels of government, including the Supreme Court and they were able to introduce all of the necessary 'back orifice' style tools into the system to make sure it cannot be patched again. They appealed to the self interest of the majority (employees) in order to pass legislature that at first only undermined the rights of minority (employers), allowing the government to grow faster and to take up more resources. They eventually used these back doors to grab enough power that they couldn't be stopped. They redefined money, government power, introduced regulations of businesses that were unauthorized allowing to sell more power to the highest bidders, destroying competition and creating monopolies/oligopolies. They violated every law that there is, every human right, every bit of Constitution and every bit of law.

    Eventually the unavoidable thing happened, the resource consumption became 100% of what was available and the system started spreading its disease around the world, forcing/letting other systems (nations to pick up the slack of processing power - useful production). The system is now poisoned, no more useful production can happen in it, it's impossible to reform the existing government and it has to be formatted and reinstalled but it also needs a lot of patching, to ensure that the next version is less penetrable to these sorts of attacks.

    Unfortunately the current batch of coders (the population) is so deaf blind and dumb it can't understand even what happened, never mind understanding the necessary steps that must be taken to fix the problem.

    1. Re:Constitution of USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      project gutenburg was started in 1971 for a reason. interpol went after copyright in 1977 for a reason.
      i lost my mind in 2006 for a reason.
      don't try to make me explain the best have looked at me, and i really only see that which i can handle.
      here is a hint though 'all it needs is a patchy' i(this me) haven't revealed that before but it has been on my mind for a few weeks now.

  15. Dig's up old wmvhd disc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Requires internet to play. Wonder if it still works?

    1. Re:Dig's up old wmvhd disc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the Current games do not work if you can only use dialup. Too much data being sent back and forth. I ttimes out and "you don't have an internet connection" style errors pop up.

  16. Better Answer: Don't buy DRM'd music by scottbomb · · Score: 2

    I buy only mp3 for this very reason. Once I have it, it's MINE. Just like the CD, cassette, or record I used to buy. I can play it on whatever player I want: car stereo, computer, whatever. That's the way music purchasing has always been... until DRM came on the scene.

    I personally thank Amazon for their mp3 music store. They made it worthwhile for the artists to make tracks available in mp3 so Amazon gets all my music $.

    1. Re:Better Answer: Don't buy DRM'd music by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I buy only mp3 for this very reason. Once I have it, it's MINE. Just like the CD, cassette, or record I used to buy. I can play it on whatever player I want: car stereo, computer, whatever.

      While I don't buy music my wife and sons do. To make sure we keep that music we have paid for I rip it to flac. Once I have music files in that format as far as I am concerned they are mine and will last forever as long as I make sure to do backups and have a player that will play them. The problem with DVD and CD media is they are easily scratched so you need to be careful hence my reason for ripping to a good quality format such as flac but you do need more space to do this, however from flac it is easy to convert to mp3 (most players will play this), wav, aac or ogg.

      Once I have a master copy format it only takes seconds per track to translate to a popular and acceptable (ie. mp3) but not as good quality format.

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  17. supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Several years ago when I first learned of HDLC, I posted here into a thread about the "new" high-definition technology warning that there was a new connector coming (it became HDMI) and a new nasty form of DRM going along with it (HDLC) and that people should hold off because the early adopters were going to get screwed. The response was a lot of angry posts telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about, early adopters told me that their expensive TV sets could play HD just fine, and I was modded down, apparently so people considering buying an early set without HDMI and HDLC would not see my warning.

    Now people who bought those amazingly expensive early "monitors" can't watch HD content from a Blu-Ray player or on-line streaming service on them (although they can enjoy grainy 480 line service). Why? Apparently we can get angry enough when a bank tries to charge $60 a year to spend our own money via a debit card, but we are not able to get angry enough with the content providers when they screw us and make it clear their intent is to buy congressmen to subvert the intention of Copyright as stated in the U.S. Constitution. So the content providers are going to keep screwing their customers. I'm sure that they would like to screw more people, but so far they have only figured ut how to screw the artists and the customers, aside for some random lawsuits that assume if you are not signing up for the screwing then you mist be a criminal.

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    1. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several years ago when I first learned of HDLC, I posted here into a thread about the "new" high-definition technology warning that there was a new connector coming (it became HDMI) and a new nasty form of DRM going along with it (HDLC) and that people should hold off because the early adopters were going to get screwed. The response was a lot of angry posts telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about, early adopters told me that their expensive TV sets could play HD just fine, and I was modded down, apparently so people considering buying an early set without HDMI and HDLC would not see my warning.

      Despite popular belief, Slashdot isn't a hive mind. You probably ran into the Audiovisual Enthusiasts, these are the people who like their movies and TV so much that they spend thousands on the so-called "Home Theatre" systems with big-ass HD TV, Dolby Digital decoders and so forth. When you've invested so much money in consuming the products that Hollywood cranks out, being told that Hollywood are a bunch of dicks who don't care about you and are trying to force more cash out of your wallet through planned obsolescence tends to be an upsetting notion.

    2. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 2

      HDLC? What are you going on about? I rather presume you mean HDMI, but there's no way to be sure.

    3. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I waited a few years before buying into HD.

      My 50" LG Plasma has a Linux OS driving it, it's hooked up to my Pioneer AV amp and my Pioneer BluRay player along with my Linux HTPC system that streams 1080P HD movies from my Linux home server with full DTS dolby Digital audio to my 7.1 Wharfedale speaker system, everything runs over HDMI interconnects including the audio.

      I don't have any issues with DRM but maybe that's because none of my system has any DRM left in it to cause me issues....

      It doesn't matter what they do, if it has to be decrypted at the point of playback then the DRM scheme can be cracked, the thing is I have purchased every film and CD that I have, I consider it my god given right to format shift my DVD's, BluRay's and CD's onto my home server, luckily the UK government agrees with me and they are giving consumers the legal right to format shift, pretty much giving the music/film industry the finger in the process....

    4. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      probably means HDCP

    5. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by donaggie03 · · Score: 0

      There's no way to be sure? Maybe you could actually READ the post you replied to: ...there was a new connector coming (it became HDMI) and a new nasty form of DRM going along with it (HDLC) .. The poster was pretty clear that he was "going on about" a technology that became known as HDMI. Congratulations on failing 6th grade reading comprehension.

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    6. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for proving GP's point.

    7. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You're an idiot. HDLC is High Level Data Link Control, a serial data protocol. There was never a DRM by that name, except in poster's mind. Maybe you mean HDMI. Here's an idea. Before you make an ass out of yourself, make sure you know something about the subject.

    8. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but we're guessing.

    9. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure he meant HDCP. Looks like he just got his acronyms mixed up . Happens all the time.

    10. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect the poster meant HDCP

    11. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means HDCP.

    12. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by DeadboltX · · Score: 2

      Many people seem confused by your use of HDLC to decribe a form of DRM over HDMI.

      I think you meant HDCP

    13. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP probably meant HDPC (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection). No need to jump him over it...

    14. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by kbg · · Score: 1

      I believe the poster meant HDCP. Which is the DRM in HDMI

    15. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently we can get angry enough when a bank tries to charge $60 a year to spend our own money via a debit card, but we are not able to get angry enough with the content providers when they screw us and make it clear their intent is to buy congressmen to subvert the intention of Copyright as stated in the U.S. Constitution

      When one moves banks there is a knowable amount of effect. It is trackable.

      If one stops consuming content - the content producers think you are still using the content at the same rate, now just not paying for it.

      I stopped going to movies, buying CDs and DVDs once the DMCA got passed. The RIAA/MPAA's position is now I'm a pirate when in reality I just stopped consuming the content. The audio 'void' was filled with NPR and now podcasts. The video - meh. Most of it was crap before and I've been told is still crap.

    16. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      HDCP (not HDLC) was on the 22" LCD monitor I bought in 2006, I have bought two new displays since then, but that monitor is still very capable of playing encrypted Blueray content, although I would rather use my 52" TV for that. I think early adopter types who had bought a monitor before that, would have upgraded more times than me.

      You appear to be really indignant about this, but in practical terms, early adopters buy because it is fun to play with new stuff. Same reason women often buy too many shoes. It's called "consumerism", and the folks who enjoy it don't care about your warnings, which sound even stupider in hindsight.

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    17. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      luckily the UK government agrees with me and they are giving consumers the legal right to format shift

      They might be doing that, but they are taking their sweet time about it, and it is still illegal here AFAIK. Also I've only heard about proposals regarding legalising ripping music which the BPI (representing the British music industry) happens not to have a problem with and have publicly stated they have no intention of going after anyone doing so for personal use, so that is hardly giving the finger to the music industry. I would be surprised if the same legislation covers doing the same for video content, since relatively few people compared to the number that rip CDs actually rip their DVDs/Blu-Rays. I have no intention of crediting our useless government of giving the finger to the music and film industries until they have actually done so.

  18. How can it be brief? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should contain every DRM scheme ever.

  19. Streaming Video Has Same Problem by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice the games with content availability that go on with streaming Netflix? It's far worse than the few losses on content that have occurred with DRM.

    As a result I only buy physical media (CDs, DVD, BD) or unencumbered digital files like MP3 or FLAC, or rent physical disks.

    The idea of paying for a streaming service that you hardly know day to day what is going to be available is for the birds.

    1. Re:Streaming Video Has Same Problem by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what FLACs can you buy commercially and where? If I buy music it's always on CD except in the rare cases where it's a digital-only release in which case I get the highest bitrate DRM-free AAC I can get and if that doesn't exist, the highest bitrate MP3. I'd probably buy more digitally if someone was actually selling lossless copies of something I wanted to buy.

    2. Re:Streaming Video Has Same Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of interest, what FLACs can you buy commercially and where?

      http://livephish.com

    3. Re:Streaming Video Has Same Problem by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what FLACs can you buy commercially and where?

      Off the top of my head:

      Boomkat
      Bleep
      Bandcamp

      They don't have everything as FLACs, but there's loads and loads of stuff (minus the Big 4 mainstream pap) for sale in FLAC (or WAV or ALAC) format.

      np: Soap & Skin - Spiracle (Lovetune For Vacuum)

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  20. Copyright is bad and should be abolished. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because of copyright, stupid crap like this exists. It's time to get rid of copyright.

    1. Re:Copyright is bad and should be abolished. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by DavidinAla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's insane to call Apple's FairPlay DRM a failed system, as the item for this says. The system did exactly what it was supposed to do. It allowed Apple to start legally selling something that the record labels wouldn't allow without it and then it was taken away when the labels agreed to go without it. The system worked as advertised. It achieved the goals of building a market for legal music. And then it went away. It was very successful and then it was retired when it was no longer needed.

    1. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by mveloso · · Score: 0

      FairPlay still exists for video, if I remember right. FairPlay was never cracked.

      Audible's drm scheme also is still going strong.

    2. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by icebraining · · Score: 1

      FairPlay was never cracked.

      Hmm...

    3. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by mveloso · · Score: 1

      It's amazing what people don't read.

      That wasn't a FairPlay crack - what happened was that FairPlay was being applied on the user's computer instead of on the server; if you downloaded the file directly off Apple's server there was no FairPlay wrapper yet.

    4. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by Sir+Homer · · Score: 1

      Per TFA:
      "FairPlay is cracked by Jon Lech Johansen ("DVD Jon"), previously known for his part in the DeCSS software, which was released four years earlier for decrypting DVDs."

    5. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVD John broke FairPlay.

    6. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still active for audio books (those are still DRM locked).

    7. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by makomk · · Score: 1

      FairPlay has been cracked several times, most recently by a project called Requiem. Previous cracks include PlayFair, Hymn, and QTFairUse6. Some of them involved copying the decrypted audio data out of RAM, others decrypted it themselves.

    8. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame the submitter. There article never once uses the word fail. It's just a history of DRM schemes that have been used. It even includes Steve Job's "Thoughts on Music" calling for less DRM.

  22. DRM rapes your paying customers in the ass. by Rogerborg · · Score: 0

    Without lube.

    Further analysis would simply be tautological.

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  23. License management tools: good, bad, or ugly? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    From 2001: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_thread/thread/df4b4363d544f766/
    "My question is: should software tools, protocols, and standards play a role in easing this required "due diligence" license management work (at least as far as copyright alone is
    concerned)?"

    Still not really answered...

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  24. Traditional answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's capitalism! It's about profits! Companies are not obligated to anything. They can be evil."

    This is the kind of talk that makes me want to buy from capitalist companies from another, more ethical country. If DRM worked, it would still be a very bad thing.

  25. Missed one by Megane · · Score: 2

    DIVX - the reason I stopped shopping at Circuit City.

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  26. Yeah, it's "brief" alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a picture of the Sony PCM-F1 PCM processor from the early 1980s. See the little "copy prohibiting" light? This stuff's been going on for ages.

  27. Here's an easy way to handle it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone plays by same rules. If some 'players' cheat, be it bribery, theft, fraud or anything, then everyone should also cheat. Or risk getting abused by cheaters.

    Copy all you want, take all you want, whine all you want, pay as little as you want or nothing at all. Big players are already doing it, little ones are already doing it.

    Some players try to dodge their guilt by telling it's business/lobbying/fair use/not stealing/etc. Lets say it like it is: it's cheating and there should be no guilt because cheating is a norm.

    The law is no longer the rule book. It got demoted and now it's just another tool for the game. Until things get fixed, we should look what other players do and play it like they do.

  28. Requiem for drm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a drm stripping tool called requiem, part of the jhymn projecct by a coder going by brahms. It worked on video, but was a cat and mouse game with apple. I used it to free some purchased videos for linux viewing a couple years back. I don't know if it is still being updated. I just stopped buying till video drm goes the way of audio drm, hulu works well enough.

  29. No mention of Steam? Epic fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Steam is extremely successful and popular with users.

  30. German Translation by Crouty · · Score: 1

    Since the article is creativecommonsed I took the freedom to post a German translation of it on my blog. Take a look if you like. Danke.

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  31. And that's legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's probably legal because like steam they would have stated in their ToC that they are just giving you a licence to play the music, which can be revoked at any time

    and how is THAT legal?

  32. corporate personhood... by vaporland · · Score: 1

    ...prevents such revocation. you cannot deprive a "person" of property without due process. it's in the constitution. you'd have to go to court (not Congress) and it's doubtful that the SCOTUS would uphold your position.

    I agree with you in principle, I just know how the lobbyists play this game...

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