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A Brief History of Failed Digital Rights Management Schemes

antdude points out this article at opensource.com on the "graveyard" of digital rights management schemes — the death of each of which has left customers out in the cold. An excerpt: "There are more than a few reasons digital rights management (DRM) has been largely unsuccessful. But the easiest way to explain to a consumer why DRM doesn't work is to put it in terms he understands: 'What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?' It was one thing when it was a theoretical question. Now it's a historical one ..."

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  1. What happens? by wsxyz · · Score: 4, Funny

    'What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    Answer: It PlaysForSure (TM).

    1. Re:What happens? by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's one thing to stop selling music with a certain DRM scheme. It's quite another to tell customers that they won't be able to play it again. How this is even fucking legal is beyond me. Either keep your damned DRM server up or give users alternatives, ie, a legit way to strip the DRM or the exact same music in a different format.

    2. Re:What happens? by Arlet · · Score: 1

      Of course there's an alternative. You can always buy the music again in a different format.

    3. Re:What happens? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      Its probably legal because like steam they would have stated in their ToC that they are just giving you a licence to play the music, which can be revoked at any time

    4. Re:What happens? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      You can always download the music in a different format.

      FTFY

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    5. Re:What happens? by ideonexus · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you're screwed and your music collection is no longer accessible. MSN Music Store, Yahoo! Music Unlimited, Wal-Mart... FTFA it sounds like when each one of these services was discontinued, the customers were warned that all the music they purchased would no longer be accessible. This is why I crack the DRM off every ebook I buy from Amazon (I know I should go to the B&N Nook) and why I won't "buy" streaming movies from them that get stored in their cloud.

      Too bad the article only covers music. There are so many half-brained lessons from the history of DRM in other media. Remember DIVX from 1998 the DVD you bought and then had to pay each time you wanted watch it? And don't even get me started on video games, where DRM has condemned so many great titles to the graveyard of unplayability.

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    6. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly like I did with Star Wars.

      I bought it on VHS.
      Bought it on LaserDisc too.
      Bought the special edition on LD.
      Then came the DVDs, bought them too.
      Now BluRay... guess what... Fuck You George Lucas and Fuck You media industry.

      I now downloaded all my media and buy it when it hits a price I agree with.
      Movies.. less than $5 in HD or $3 in SD.
      Music.. no more than 10cents per track.
      TV shows & anime.. under $1 per episode.
      If the price never gets that low I dont buy but either way I'm happy.
      That is my EULA and if you dont like it you know where you can shove your opinions media industry.

    7. Re:What happens? by CurryCamel · · Score: 1

      What? Are we supposed to both read and understand those legal documents?

    8. Re:What happens? by DeathFromSomewhere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      /. intentionally disallows edits so people can't trick others into strawman attacks.

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    9. Re:What happens? by gman003 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      It's deliberate - /. tries to force you to spell-check and proofread your posts before posting them. To quote the FAQ:

      No. We believe that discussions in Slashdot are like discussions in real life- you can't change what you say, you only can attempt to clarify by saying more. In other words, you can't delete a comment that you've posted, you only can post a reply to yourself and attempt to clarify what you've said.

      In short, you should think twice before you click that 'Submit' button because once you click it, we aren't going to let you Undo it.

      It's still rather common to see someone make a foolish mistake, like using BBCode instead of HTML, or using the wrong SI prefix on something.

    10. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We should stop thinking of DRM as controlling music/video. DRM is actually about controlling the software you can run.

      Software plays the music and the video. DRM is all about ensuring that only authorised software is allowed to access certain data. Once you have that level of control in the hands of IT companies (see also Trusted Computing, Trusted Platform Module/TPM, UEFI), it's game over for privacy and consumer rights.

    11. Re:What happens? by nightfell · · Score: 2

      No, Answer: not a damed thing.

      Music isn't sold with DRM anymore. The whole argument is moot, you're fighting a past battle. You are trying to convince non-nerds to rally against DRM, and the best example you can come up with is one that isn't even relevant?

      The problem is you are trying to convince people to hold an opinion that they simply have no reason to hold. You're grasping at straws. Sure, they are plenty of reasons for a subset of computer geeks to be strongly opposed to DRM, but there are very few reasons for regular people to. For them, DRM is mostly invisible.

      DVDs, Blu-ray, cable tv, Xbox, PS3, Wii, iOS, Android... These all contain and extensively use DRM, and most people don't even know it's there, because it works so well.

      The premise of this story is false. DRM hasn't been largely unsuccessful, it's been wildly successful. There are only a few edge cases where there have been notable issues and failures.

    12. Re:What happens? by VitaminB52 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They'll still work just as well as they did the day you bought them if you haven't wrecked them.

      Some of the first CD's I bought have become unplayable due to CD rot. Contrary to what the CD manufacturers want you to believe CD's won't last for ever. Nor will DVD's.

    13. Re:What happens? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's funny how an individual whose child downloads a few tracks without paying becomes public enemy number one but when a company gets paid but stops providing the tracks, it's just business as usual.

      And they wonder why more and more people are coming to see law and the courts as morally bankrupt.

    14. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DVDs have DRM (ineffective as it is) called CSS AND they have region coding.
      Region coding is just as bad as DRM. I do not accept artificial limitations on commerce created purely to create artificial scarcity and increase profits.
      If its available anywhere I have the right to obtain it at its lowest price. They can try to stop me if they can.

    15. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Up until relatively recently you had to buy a new copy for technological reasons. At least when they went from DVD to BluRay they tended to give something extra. The ones that don't get extras end up not being purchased by me.

    16. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I take it you're being sarcastic, but I for one don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on attorneys fees each time somebody wants me to agree to their ToS. That would literally require me to have an attorney on retainer for each end every single site I do business with.

      At some point, we need to just admit that the whole thing has gone ridiculously far out of control and needs to be fixed.

    17. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Thank you, thank you, thank you for using 'price' instead of 'price point'.

      By the way, try "Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized Edition". It's an HD (720p) version with all the scenes restored to the original (Han Solo shoots first!).

    18. Re:What happens? by nightfell · · Score: 1

      In other words, all your DRM-enabled equipment. Got it.

    19. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Allowing edits while there are no replies (and warning people who had already started a reply that the contents had changed) wouldn't have such problems, though.

    20. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The fix is to have strong consumer protection, like plenty of EU directives provide. Any EULA terms that violate them are invalid, so you as the user don't need to worry about them.

    21. Re:What happens? by spyowl · · Score: 1

      This type of thinking is akin to straightening the ship that's sinking on one side by drilling a whole and sinking its other side too. How about enforce laws equally for everyone to start with? Would Sony be contractually liable if you sent them your own version of EULA in the [e]mail? Would you be able to take that piece of [e]mail to the court and argue against Sony? How about your bank? Facebook? Amazon?

    22. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Extra? Whats extra? The story is unchanged.
      All they've done is add irrelevant data. Its still the same movie.

      Paying more for HD makes as much sense as paying more for a 320kbps MP3 instead of a 160kbps.
      Or paying more for for a car because the speedometer shows your speed in hundredths of a mph.

    23. Re:What happens? by Mike610544 · · Score: 1

      I now downloaded all my media and buy it when it hits a price I agree with.

      I was going to accuse you of just being a cheap bastard, but I thought about it, and I'm just as bad in a slightly different way.

      If I can't download/stream a thing legally, I'll usually get the torrent. I really don't care what it costs (within reason).

      It's annoying when I want to give a company money for their content, and they don't let me do it.

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    24. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Only if they were the end-user of some software or service I was providing. Do you even know what EULA means?

    25. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But why on Earth do you still assume you've got the right to download it for free?

      Why on Earth would he assume he doesn't?

    26. Re:What happens? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      The story is unchanged, but the quality discs have all sorts of features, like they did with DVDs, but more extensive. The Princess Bride, for instance, had not just a remastered film, but a game and several rather long featurettes about how the film came to be.

      Unlike in your example, you can definitely tell that it's higher def, assuming that it was done by technicians. With the MP3s, you'd never notice the difference regardless of how well the technicians did their job.

    27. Re:What happens? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The choice is to REVOKE Copyright by Constitutional Amendment. That's right, we THE PEOPLE have given them the ability to copyright works, and as such, we have the right to revoke it any time we want.

      There are other alternatives as well. Conditional Copyright, which if you stick additional terms and conditions on a copyrightable work, you CANNOT Copyright it, and all Copyright laws do not, nor cannot apply to that work.

      We don't need "consumer" laws, because this is a CONSTITUTIONAL question. But then again, we haven't followed the Constitution in any meaningful way in a long long time.

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    28. Re:What happens? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because I have to jump through hoops to make a copy of a DVD or BR that I've bought, since it's not like I'm getting a replacement if it gets scratched. Or the inability to digitally record cable TV without fiddling around with it. I call that "working so awesome, I always notice it." Other stuff I don't know about since I don't use them.

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    29. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      If the EU "has no courts", then EULAs are unenforceable by definition, since you need courts to enforce contracts like them.

      Good job disproving your own point.

    30. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      True, this is Slashdot where a large number of people think they're entitled to everything for free.

      Along those lines, only 30% modded me overrated, although an astonishing 40% of the moderators think that it's trolling to ask an off-topic anonymous coward why he feels he's got the right to get everything for free if he doesn't want to pay what the producers ask.

    31. Re:What happens? by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Why is it legal? Because you didn't buy the music, you licensed it. This is closer to a "rent" model... You rent the music for as long as the licensor decides to allow you to rent it. When they turn off the DRM servers, the rental period is over. Your done!

    32. Re:What happens? by Teancum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of the first vinyl LP albums that I bought years ago have become unplayable due to scratches and hard usage. Contrary to what LP album manufacturers want you to believe, LP records won't last forever.

      Well, something like that. The mythical "100 year compact disc" certainly was never believed, and all forms of data storage have problems. To get a very long lasting CD, it needed to be essentially an "archival quality" impression onto some durable material, preferably a metal like gold. You can buy such materials, but they are very expensive and generally are not in common usage because the expected life span of those discs aren't all that long.

      DVD discs, and Blu-ray discs even more so, have even higher data density and thus are even more prone to accumulated errors.

      From an historical perspective, the only way that any information has been preserved over long periods of time is to keep copying that information, preferably to distribute that information widely as well to as many people as possible so if a few copies of that information are lost it can be recovered from the redundancy alone. That certainly is the only way ancient texts such as the Greek literature like the Iliad and religious texts like the New Testament and Talmud have been preserved over the centuries.

      It is also a part of human culture, where ideas are over time weeded out. This includes music, where the really bad stuff has simply been forgotten over time. Sometimes good stuff is lost too, but that is part of life. The reason why "classics" are so fondly remembers is that the awful stuff that was being made at the same time isn't remembered.

    33. Re:What happens? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      True, this is Slashdot where a large number of people think they're entitled to everything for free.

      No, Mr. Strawman, just some things. Air, sunlight, stuff that people share with me (like strings of bytes).

    34. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      No, your parent post was right. Some of us around here are still troglodytes who prefer to buy their music on CDs. It's still by far the better way to get decent sound reproduction than those crappy compressed files you might get from iTunes. Of course, there are some outlets who let you download and send you optical media, but I guess they're in the minority...

    35. Re:What happens? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      The company that sold you the DRM music get tired of paying for developers to maintain and optimize the DRM, pay for the DRM IP royalties, and tire of supporting disgruntled users with DRM issues... while the competition is "giving it away" and making pure profit without the DRM hassles. So they cut their losses and shut their DRM servers - with a consolation coupon toward 30% off the next Usher download.

      Read that its not about you, or the artists, its about maximizing price/profit with their product.

      That will ultimately be the downfall of all these IP laws being passes around the world. eventually companies/countries figure out they can't keep making money from it, because someone else will be doing it better than them. I figure the US is painting itself into a corner as most of the patents will start coming from developing countries and we are spending more to license overseas IP.

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    36. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      Nah, it's a crude generalisation, not a strawman - it's a reponse to a direct statement by an anonymous coward that he downloads everything and only buys it if they sell it to him cheaply enough. To do that implies that he feels entitled to do so. Your statement could be read either in support of the AC or against him; I took it the latter way because that pleased me.

    37. Re:What happens? by Teancum · · Score: 1

      That goes to the argument that copyright terms are simply too long. If copyright was allowed to expire, you would now be seeing scenes where Han Solo shoots Captain Kirk inside of Stargate Command when the Cylons have taken over, but the Browncoats are organizing a resistance movment to take it back.

      While I might see something like that on YouTube, such "mashups" are generally illegal. It would make for some fun story telling, however.

    38. Re:What happens? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The FLACs you ripped from them will remain playable forever.

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    39. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      It's annoying when I want to give a company money for their content, and they don't let me do it.

      Agreed. Back in the late '90s I conceived a desire to obtain the complete set of Max Headroom DVDs or whatever was available as downloads, but was frustrated by the copyright holder's (Warner, IIRC) refusal to distribute their material. Since the recordings were then otherwise unobtainable, I paid good money for bootleg (and crap quality NTSC) copies burned to DVD from a commercial Kansas TV station. I have absolutely no ethical qualms about this, since I would have been quite happy to pay a fair price for legitimate recordings.

    40. Re:What happens? by spyowl · · Score: 1

      The point is not who is the end user. The point is what constitutes a contract in general.

    41. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      The story is unchanged, but the quality discs have all sorts of features, like they did with DVDs, but more extensive. The Princess Bride, for instance, had not just a remastered film, but a game and several rather long featurettes about how the film came to be.

      Dude I barely have time to watch the show. I don't need 60 bullshit interviews with actors, the director, the director's ex-girlfriend, the director's ex-roommate, the grip, the music director, dolly, and one of the actor's pet dogs. It's not value added. It's shit. Out-takes can be funny but they're worthless.Trailers, don't make me fucking laugh - that's the marketing bullshit. Occassionally extended editions are relevant, but more often than not revisionist crap. Keep the fucking extras you dim-witted slack-jawed greedy fuckers.,

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    42. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      You could have carried on watching your VHS. It's my understanding that format switching in the USA hasn't been subject to the same legal grey status as it has in the UK, so you could have digitised your videos perfectly happily

      I hearby award you the disingenuous idiot of the year award. Do you know how fucking hard and time consuming it is to digitize a library. Unless your time is worth nothing, it would be much MUCH cheaper to go out and re-buy.

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    43. Re:What happens? by syousef · · Score: 1

      DVDs, Blu-ray, cable tv, Xbox, PS3, Wii, iOS, Android... These all contain and extensively use DRM, and most people don't even know it's there, because it works so well.

      What IN THE FUCK are you smoking? Most people don't know it's there because it's ineffective and there is a workaround. People who care have ways of copying DVD, stealing cable, pirating console games, and rooting their iPhones and Androids. People who don't care don't bother. Plenty notice who don't care enough to work around it. I can't count the number of colleagues who bitch about scratched disks or iTunes downloads they have lost.

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    44. Re:What happens? by vaporland · · Score: 1

      DiVX was a DVD that self destructed about 36 hours after you first played it. Once you watched it, you threw it in the trash. This stupid idea contributed to the eventual downfall of Circuit City...

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    45. Re:What happens? by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      I hereby award you the "patronising cunt of the year" award. He was talking about the Star Wars films. Does he have a whole fucking library of Star Wars films? No, sorry, this is Slashdot, of course he fucking does.

      As for anything else, watch them on a video player - easy. Hell, you can even digitise it *while* watching it on the VHS. Then when you go to bed that evening you can leave the computer re-encoding it. This isn't rocket science, you know. No-one said he had to spend ten solid days encoding every VHS he owned.

    46. Re:What happens? by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I found a copy of an old BBC Comedy called 'Allo 'Allo. I'm in the U.S., said DVD was Region 2 and subtitled in Dutch. So yes, I'm ripping it and re-burning it sans DVD. And it don't break my heart one little bit.

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    47. Re:What happens? by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      256kbps AAC = "crappy compress files"? Are you kidding me? Good luck ever noticing the difference between that and the CD unless you have a $10k+ sound system.

    48. Re:What happens? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Good luck ever noticing the difference between that and the CD unless you have a $10k+ sound system.

      As it happens, I do. But (FWIW) that amount seems to be a useful limit from the point of view of diminishing returns. I could mortgage my house, life and hypothetical first-born child for a more technologically cool sound setup, without ever realising much perceptible gain in sound quality.

      Actually, I guess I'm a liar. A few months ago, I tried out a pair of Monitor Audio RX8 speakers in conjunction with components identical to mine, and the sound was gobsmackingly electrifying, but the upgrade idea didn't pass the wife acceptability test, so it was shitcanned.

    49. Re:What happens? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      IANAL but a legal contract involves an exchange between to parties. Thus if the company were to revoke what they gave in the exchange, they could be required to surrender what they received.

      The industry lawyers would argue that the limited time that you could use the music is what they gave, thus they are within their rights to keep the consumer's money.

      The consumer's lawyer would argue that the consumer was lead to believe that the music was time-unlimited.
      But, lawyers are expensive, so the industry is hoping that people won't hire one to get back the cash for a few $.99 songs.

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  2. Successful DRM by nepka · · Score: 1

    There's one highly successful "DRM" that can't be circumcised and what game companies have been started doing lately. It originates from Asia, where piracy has always been a problem, but only recently has been started gaining support in western markets. Many people hate it, many love it, but it's a direct result of piracy, and also what more and more companies will start using. It's free2play games, and other multiplayer games, and means dark times for single player gamers.

    I think Valve succeeded with f2p in Team Fortress 2. It doesn't get too much in the way, and users can still get everything without paying lots of money. But there is incentive to do so. But then there's also all those Facebook games and other shitty free2play games which practically require you to pay lots and lots of money. It also means one can buy advantage in the game. But in the end, it is result of the widespread piracy and companies adapting to the situation, just like people always said they should do.

    1. Re:Successful DRM by ZackSchil · · Score: 3, Funny

      I assume it can't be circumcised because, as conceptual business model, it lacks genitalia.

    2. Re:Successful DRM by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      Dark times for single player? I think there are plenty of (indie) game developers happy to fill the void.

    3. Re:Successful DRM by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      TF2 is the only F2P game ive ever played where i dont feel a constant tug on my wallet. I think the crates are fucking genius.

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  3. Easy by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    No music for you!

    NEXT!

  4. Some changes were quite good ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

    Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

    1. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

      Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

      You left out the part where we had to pay 30 cents a song for the privilege.

      On the other hand - even now, Apple still supports the original DRMed files if you choose not to upgrade - so this case isn't really a good example of a company "changing its mind" a la PlaysForSure.

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    2. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      You left out the part where Apple used it's market dominance to essentially force the record companies to offer the music at minimal prices compared to what would have been charged otherwise. And then forced them further to permit free-and-clear downloads which they had vowed to never allow.

            Brett

    3. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

      What happens to the music you paid for if that company changes its mind?

      Well in the Apple iTunes case the audio quality was improved and the DRM was also removed.

      You left out the part where we had to pay 30 cents a song for the privilege.

      On the other hand - even now, Apple still supports the original DRMed files if you choose not to upgrade - so this case isn't really a good example of a company "changing its mind" a la PlaysForSure.

      If you are a user of iCloud there is no charge for the upgrade.

    4. Re:Some changes were quite good ... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Since Apple entered our local market with iTunes, individual music track prices have literally doubled. If it wasn't for Apple sure we'd only have DRMed WMA music with pathetically easily removed DRM, but we'd be paying a hell of a lot less for it.

      Don't know where you got "minimal prices".

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  5. What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

    The list shows gravestone icons both for those cases where companies stopped using DRM and left their users out in the cold, and for those cases where they stopped using DRM and let users get DRM-free tracks instead.

    One is loss for the users, one is a win. Why are both presented as the same thing?

    1. Re:What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      That pricing has long since changed. And the list contains other events too without any pricing complications.

    2. Re:What is the point of this list? by VanGarrett · · Score: 2

      Because the article is about DRM schemes that failed, not about DRM schemes that screwed people over.

    3. Re:What is the point of this list? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      That pricing has long since changed. And the list contains other events too without any pricing complications.

      No it hasn't. It still costs $0.30 to remove DRM from old FairPlay encrypted tracks.

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    4. Re:What is the point of this list? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Which is about as useful as a list of airplanes that have failed, which includes airplane crashes and airplanes that have been taken out of use due to old age. What are we supposed to actually do with this information?

  6. What do you mean it didn't work? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you mean it didn't work? DRM schemes such as Microsoft's "Play Anywhere" are abandoned and then the customer who paid good money for the music has to buy it again if they still want it,. DRM works exactly as planned and intended/

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    1. Re:What do you mean it didn't work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is because you didn't buy it in the first place! It's information! In can not be owned bought or stolen, just as you can't go north of north pole, as the terms make no sense in this context. That's why it says "license".

      Why don't people get this shit? (I blame the propaganda of the organized crime.)

      You paid for a set of rights, with rules attached that you are in practice not physically able to comply to: Not passing it on to third parties.
      Something that already happened when it passed through every router on the way from them to you. Something that happens every time you have friends over any play the music to them. Something that happens whenever you remember any bit of the song and communicate it to somebody else in any way.
      In other words: Utterly unrealistic "rules". But that's the point, as they are part of what is essentially just a racketeering scheme in sheepskin.

      Ok, I'm preaching to the choir here... ;)

  7. No SDMI? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that SDMI is not listed. It was a complete failure and is utterly pointless now, yet many CDs still have SDMI watermarks and CD players still check.

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  8. Correction by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    SDMI was not deployed, I was thinking of a different system (Macrovision). Time for that afternoon coffee (nap?).

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  9. Re:Excerpt misses the point entirely. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    And if it's anything like the subset who are video game fans, it's a hopeless cause. Apparently, to these twonks, everything up to and including raping their mother with their father's disembodied head is forgivable as long as $Incremental_Release_N+1 comes out, eventually.

    Easily recognized on gaming forums as they are declaring "game of the year!" about games that haven't even been pre-released to critics yet (and far too often for all of them to have been beta-testers).

    Solution: Suggest construction of a new B-Ark.

  10. history goes back much further by bcrowell · · Score: 1, Informative

    TFA only goes back to 1998. The history of DRM goes back much, much further than that, the only difference being that it was called "copy protection" rather than DRM. In the early 1980's, there was the first wave of mass-marketed personal computers: Apple II, TRS-80, etc. Software houses often sold games, for example, on 5" floppies in a format designed to make it possible to play the game, but to make it hard to copy the disk using the OS's standard tools. Computer users voted against copy protection with their feet. For one thing, there was no other backup format besides those unreliable 5" floppies, so if you couldn't copy it to another floppy, you were basically just paying to be able to run the software for as many years as the floppy was readable. Software houses started to realize how much users hated copy protection, so they stopped doing it.

    Now we're just going through all the same stuff again, but with a new name, "DRM," and a new generation of computer users that hasn't wised up yet. They need to have their first experience of losing their investment in software, music, or whatever, and then they'll realize that they don't want to touch DRM with a 10-foot pole.

    1. Re:history goes back much further by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      TFA only goes back to 1998. The history of DRM goes back much, much further than that, the only difference being that it was called "copy protection" rather than DRM

      The author of the article knew the difference between DRM and Copy Protection. Given the context of the article being about content no longer playing, wanting a history of copy protection in this article is like asking for an article about unpopular cars to include a history of the horse-drawn carriage.

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    2. Re:history goes back much further by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Not working due to media failure != not working due to lack of permission. Note the use of the term 'rights' and not 'copies'.

      Quite percussive.

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  11. little known fact... by alienzed · · Score: 1

    DRM actually stands for "Digital Retard Monetization", because let's face it, you'd have to be daft to buy something with restrictions when the free and unlocked versions are even easier to obtain.

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  12. Better Answer: Don't buy DRM'd music by scottbomb · · Score: 2

    I buy only mp3 for this very reason. Once I have it, it's MINE. Just like the CD, cassette, or record I used to buy. I can play it on whatever player I want: car stereo, computer, whatever. That's the way music purchasing has always been... until DRM came on the scene.

    I personally thank Amazon for their mp3 music store. They made it worthwhile for the artists to make tracks available in mp3 so Amazon gets all my music $.

    1. Re:Better Answer: Don't buy DRM'd music by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I buy only mp3 for this very reason. Once I have it, it's MINE. Just like the CD, cassette, or record I used to buy. I can play it on whatever player I want: car stereo, computer, whatever.

      While I don't buy music my wife and sons do. To make sure we keep that music we have paid for I rip it to flac. Once I have music files in that format as far as I am concerned they are mine and will last forever as long as I make sure to do backups and have a player that will play them. The problem with DVD and CD media is they are easily scratched so you need to be careful hence my reason for ripping to a good quality format such as flac but you do need more space to do this, however from flac it is easy to convert to mp3 (most players will play this), wav, aac or ogg.

      Once I have a master copy format it only takes seconds per track to translate to a popular and acceptable (ie. mp3) but not as good quality format.

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  13. supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Several years ago when I first learned of HDLC, I posted here into a thread about the "new" high-definition technology warning that there was a new connector coming (it became HDMI) and a new nasty form of DRM going along with it (HDLC) and that people should hold off because the early adopters were going to get screwed. The response was a lot of angry posts telling me that I didn't know what I was talking about, early adopters told me that their expensive TV sets could play HD just fine, and I was modded down, apparently so people considering buying an early set without HDMI and HDLC would not see my warning.

    Now people who bought those amazingly expensive early "monitors" can't watch HD content from a Blu-Ray player or on-line streaming service on them (although they can enjoy grainy 480 line service). Why? Apparently we can get angry enough when a bank tries to charge $60 a year to spend our own money via a debit card, but we are not able to get angry enough with the content providers when they screw us and make it clear their intent is to buy congressmen to subvert the intention of Copyright as stated in the U.S. Constitution. So the content providers are going to keep screwing their customers. I'm sure that they would like to screw more people, but so far they have only figured ut how to screw the artists and the customers, aside for some random lawsuits that assume if you are not signing up for the screwing then you mist be a criminal.

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    1. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 2

      HDLC? What are you going on about? I rather presume you mean HDMI, but there's no way to be sure.

    2. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You're an idiot. HDLC is High Level Data Link Control, a serial data protocol. There was never a DRM by that name, except in poster's mind. Maybe you mean HDMI. Here's an idea. Before you make an ass out of yourself, make sure you know something about the subject.

    3. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by fnj · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but we're guessing.

    4. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by DeadboltX · · Score: 2

      Many people seem confused by your use of HDLC to decribe a form of DRM over HDMI.

      I think you meant HDCP

    5. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by kbg · · Score: 1

      I believe the poster meant HDCP. Which is the DRM in HDMI

    6. Re:supposedly inteligent people don't want to know by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      HDCP (not HDLC) was on the 22" LCD monitor I bought in 2006, I have bought two new displays since then, but that monitor is still very capable of playing encrypted Blueray content, although I would rather use my 52" TV for that. I think early adopter types who had bought a monitor before that, would have upgraded more times than me.

      You appear to be really indignant about this, but in practical terms, early adopters buy because it is fun to play with new stuff. Same reason women often buy too many shoes. It's called "consumerism", and the folks who enjoy it don't care about your warnings, which sound even stupider in hindsight.

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  14. Streaming Video Has Same Problem by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice the games with content availability that go on with streaming Netflix? It's far worse than the few losses on content that have occurred with DRM.

    As a result I only buy physical media (CDs, DVD, BD) or unencumbered digital files like MP3 or FLAC, or rent physical disks.

    The idea of paying for a streaming service that you hardly know day to day what is going to be available is for the birds.

    1. Re:Streaming Video Has Same Problem by boristhespider · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what FLACs can you buy commercially and where? If I buy music it's always on CD except in the rare cases where it's a digital-only release in which case I get the highest bitrate DRM-free AAC I can get and if that doesn't exist, the highest bitrate MP3. I'd probably buy more digitally if someone was actually selling lossless copies of something I wanted to buy.

    2. Re:Streaming Video Has Same Problem by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what FLACs can you buy commercially and where?

      Off the top of my head:

      Boomkat
      Bleep
      Bandcamp

      They don't have everything as FLACs, but there's loads and loads of stuff (minus the Big 4 mainstream pap) for sale in FLAC (or WAV or ALAC) format.

      np: Soap & Skin - Spiracle (Lovetune For Vacuum)

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  15. Copyright is bad and should be abolished. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because of copyright, stupid crap like this exists. It's time to get rid of copyright.

  16. Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by DavidinAla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's insane to call Apple's FairPlay DRM a failed system, as the item for this says. The system did exactly what it was supposed to do. It allowed Apple to start legally selling something that the record labels wouldn't allow without it and then it was taken away when the labels agreed to go without it. The system worked as advertised. It achieved the goals of building a market for legal music. And then it went away. It was very successful and then it was retired when it was no longer needed.

    1. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by icebraining · · Score: 1

      FairPlay was never cracked.

      Hmm...

    2. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by mveloso · · Score: 1

      It's amazing what people don't read.

      That wasn't a FairPlay crack - what happened was that FairPlay was being applied on the user's computer instead of on the server; if you downloaded the file directly off Apple's server there was no FairPlay wrapper yet.

    3. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by Sir+Homer · · Score: 1

      Per TFA:
      "FairPlay is cracked by Jon Lech Johansen ("DVD Jon"), previously known for his part in the DeCSS software, which was released four years earlier for decrypting DVDs."

    4. Re:Apple's FairPlay didn't "fail" by makomk · · Score: 1

      FairPlay has been cracked several times, most recently by a project called Requiem. Previous cracks include PlayFair, Hymn, and QTFairUse6. Some of them involved copying the decrypted audio data out of RAM, others decrypted it themselves.

  17. License management tools: good, bad, or ugly? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    From 2001: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_thread/thread/df4b4363d544f766/
    "My question is: should software tools, protocols, and standards play a role in easing this required "due diligence" license management work (at least as far as copyright alone is
    concerned)?"

    Still not really answered...

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  18. Missed one by Megane · · Score: 2

    DIVX - the reason I stopped shopping at Circuit City.

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  19. No mention of Steam? Epic fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Steam is extremely successful and popular with users.

  20. German Translation by Crouty · · Score: 1

    Since the article is creativecommonsed I took the freedom to post a German translation of it on my blog. Take a look if you like. Danke.

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  21. corporate personhood... by vaporland · · Score: 1

    ...prevents such revocation. you cannot deprive a "person" of property without due process. it's in the constitution. you'd have to go to court (not Congress) and it's doubtful that the SCOTUS would uphold your position.

    I agree with you in principle, I just know how the lobbyists play this game...

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