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Cray Replaces IBM To Build $188M Supercomputer

wiredmikey writes "Supercomputer maker Cray today said that the University of Illinois' National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) awarded the company a contract to build a supercomputer for the National Science Foundation's Blue Waters project. The supercomputer will be powered by new 16-core AMD Opteron 6200 Series processors (formerly code-named 'Interlagos') a next-generation GPU from NVIDIA, called 'Kepler,' and a new integrated storage solution from Cray. IBM was originally selected to build the supercomputer in 2007, but terminated the contract in August 2011, saying the project was more complex and required significantly increased financial and technical support beyond its original expectations. Once fully deployed, the system is expected to have a sustained performance of more than one petaflops on demanding scientific applications."

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  1. Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by unity100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Along with the cray they are upgrading (#3 in the world now, will be #1 when complete) and the one lockheed martin ordered (3 days ago) this is the third supercomputer that was ordered in the last 3 weeks to use opterons (bulldozer 16 cores).

    the cpu sucks so much that, it is exclusively dominating the SUPERcomputer market.

    1. Re:Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Designing supercomputers involves a lot of investment in inter-CPU messaging and memory sharing. Once a supercomputer-vendor has committed themselves to a platform, it's not easy to migrate to another. Given the volumes they sell, design costs will have to be spread on just a few actual installations. Maybe AMD was the best platform to use when these computers were originally designed, but they are outdated now. The fact that these new AMD CPUs will work in "ancient" sockets and use the same interconnects, will make development cost for a performance upgrade lower.

      Obligatory car metaphore: Most car manufacturers put old technology in cars they bring out today as well, just because the cost of developing new technology and building production lines is commercially prohibitive.

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    2. Re:Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      AMD has held an advantage in systems with more than 4 sockets for a while. You just don't see that many Intel x86 based systems with a dozen or more sockets. Itantium tends to be used on those systems.

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    3. Re:Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      it sucks for certain kinds of desktop work. for the things I do, core count and size of RAM beats mips, flops, GHz. Modest six-core AMD is better for me than highly priced double or quad core Intel

    4. Re:Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because of AMD's design glue logic is cheaper. You can see this reflected in the cost of all levels of motherboard for both AMD platforms vs. their intel competition. This is especially important in a supercomputer. AMD has been easier to build into massively parallel systems for longer. The intel processors are slightly snazzier dollar for dollar, but not that much more amazing. Therefore there are only two reasons you would use intel over AMD to build a supercomputer (cluster size, maximum power limitations) whereas AMD provides the advantages of a better-known platform for the purpose and an improvement in cost which can be significant over the total number of nodes. Since boards exist to let you have more AMD cores in a single system than intel cores, it remains a viable platform for supercomputing, and not just through momentum — though let's face it, how much of intel's success is due to the same factor?

      Most car manufacturers put old technology in cars they're bringing out today because we keep buying it, and the same is true of computers.

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    5. Re:Aha. Bulldozer sucks my ass. by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Not sure if they count as systems, but Intel has about 75% of the TOP500 list with AMD about 13%. And that's coming from a period where AMD has had really strong Opterons. But then I don't think each node has a dozen or more sockets...

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  2. Jurassic Park by Dyinobal · · Score: 2

    Ever since reading Jurassic Park, I've always wanted a Cray supercomputer. No other super computer company had a hand in bringing dinosaurs back to life. Once you've resurrected dinosaurs I don't think that can be topped. I wonder if U of I is planning on doing any dinosaur resurrections with their new super computer.

    1. Re:Jurassic Park by CaptainJeff · · Score: 2, Informative

      The supercomputers in Jurassic Park were Thinking Machines systems, not Crays.

      Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation

    2. Re:Jurassic Park by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm referring to the Novel not the movie. But thank you for playing.

    3. Re:Jurassic Park by ogar572 · · Score: 2

      I would rather have a Gibson.....

    4. Re:Jurassic Park by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There was a time when Supercomputer meant Cray. I remember seeing pictures of Crays when I was a kid and saying. "That is what a computer should look like".

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    5. Re:Jurassic Park by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      with stopbar or tune-o-matic bridge?

    6. Re:Jurassic Park by kesuki · · Score: 2

      decrypt 'HAL' rot-1 'IBM'

  3. Re:Totally surprised. by Dynetrekk · · Score: 2

    Cray has several of the Top 10 supercomputers on earth, especially in the US. They're pretty nice to work with, too.

  4. Re:Totally surprised. by wezelboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Cray name was bought from SGI by Tera. SGI was later bought by Rackable.

  5. Re:IBM Can do that? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    No they bid on something but later the time and expense was more than they could make a decent profit. I'm sure they could do it, but they don't want to do it.

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  6. Wow by lmcgeoch · · Score: 2

    Last time I was at the air and space museum in Washington DC I saw a Cray Supercompter http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19880565000
        I was extremely excited and tried to show my kids who only saw a very weird big computer thing. A new supercomputer built by Cray sounds like a great idea :)

    1. Re:Wow by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cray has had Supercomputers on the top ten list (and even in the number one spot) again for years now. Ever since they spun off from SGI they've had one of the more interesting architectures in HPC. I was interviewing at ORNL when they were installing Jaguar, and I got a pretty in depth description of the hows and the whys. It's no longer the most powerful computer in the world, but it's still a very impressive piece of machinery. Sigh. I really need to get back into HPC.

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  7. Re:Totally surprised. by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

    It's worth noting that the "new Cray", while they obviously don't make the old vector processor systems that they did originally, makes a really nifty hybrid cluster/SSI (single system image) supercomputer that is notably different than most of what's on the market. Man, seeing articles like this makes me want to get back into HPC stuff. I'm making a bit more doing this corporate crap, but I really miss getting to play with the cutting edge stuff.

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  8. IBM backing out... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    I've been working with an agency who contracted a large project to IBM a few years ago. The results have been ... unimpressive. The training was largely a waste of time, I don't believe they even understood their audience.

    Better to see Cray, I think as IBM is shopping out a bit too much of their work to people who aren't up to it .. unless IBM has seen the light.

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  9. Re:Netcraft confirms it by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    Strange. If IBM is dying, then why is Warren Buffett investing $10.7 billion in them? Perhaps he knows something that we don't know?

    I would normally say, "This isn't your father's IBM", but with respect to Mr. Buffett's age, I'm not sure it is his father's IBM, either.

    In the 60's and 70's IBM was the company to work for.

    In the 80's they began cutting.

    In the early 90's they were slashing. We were trying to buy an RS6000 and from week to week I didn't know who I was talking to as the people were exiting so fast. When I ran into difficulty with a security flaw I found myself talking to someone from IBM in Australia who had them send me a stack of tapes and no directions.

    Since then I expect IBM has done what a lot of IT companies have done, shop out bits of the work, bring in a lot of green (cheap) workers and try to muddle through the project. I don't see IBM as the tiger they once were. I don't think any IT company is, come to that.

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  10. Completely different contract/machine/goals by gentryx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As covered earlier here, IBM backed out of the contract because they thought they wouldn't be able to meet the performance requirements for existing codes. They were concerned about clock speeds (POWER7 runs at 4 GHz). POWER7 excels at single thread performance, but also in fat SMP nodes.

    What NSCA ordered now is system that is pretty much the antipode to the original Blue Waters: the Bulldozer cores are sub-par at floating point performance, so they'll have to rely on the Kepler GPUs. Those GPUs are great, but to make them perform well, NSCA and U of I will have to rewrite ALL of their codes. Moving data from host RAM to the GPU RAM over slow PCIe links can be a major PITA, especially if your code isn't prepared for that.

    Given the fact that codes in HPC tend to live much longer than the supercomputer they run on, I think it would have been cheaper for them to give IBM another load of cash and keep the POWER7 approach.

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  11. Re:Totally surprised. by David+Greene · · Score: 2

    They didn't just buy the name. They also bought all of the people who designed and built those earlier Cray machines. There are still people at Cray who had a hand in the original Cray 1. It's actually a rather nice mix of expertise, multithreading experience from the Tera side, scalable MPP and vector experience from the Cray Research side.

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  12. Re:So, when finished it's 0.1 x's the perfrmance o by David+Greene · · Score: 2

    It's one petaflops sustained performance, not peak. That means actual real scientific codes running at one petaflops, not just Linpack.

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