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Baker Has to Make 102,000 Cupcakes For Grouponers

Rachel Brown, owner of the small Need a Cake bakery, became a victim of the old adage, "Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it." More than 8,500 people took Rachel up on her Groupon offer of a 75% discount on a dozen cupcakes, forcing her to make over 100,000 cupcakes to fill all the orders. In the end Brown lost almost $20k. "We take pride in making cakes of exceptional quality but I had to bring in agency staff on top of my usual staff, who had nowhere near the same skills. I was very worried about standards dropping and hated the thought of letting anybody down. My poor staff were having to slog away at all hours — one of them even came in at 3 a.m. because she couldn't sleep for worry," she told The Telegraph. "We are still working to make up the lost money and will not be doing this again."

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  1. The Law of Unintended Consequences... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 'Law of Unintended Consequences' strikes again!

    75% off is a seriously deep discount, what did she expect would happen?

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    1. Re:The Law of Unintended Consequences... by TVDinner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I owned a mall-based cookie/cafe store and also a pretzel store. Margins on meal normally run 3x-4x the cost of ingredients to account for labor, electricity, waste, etc. that the poster stated above. But the margin on bakery goods depends on the holding time of the good. The longer the item lasts, the lower the margin needed. On the cookies we sold, the holding time was 3-4 hours and the margin was around 6x-7x. For pretzels, the holding time was 30 minutes and the margins are around 30x-40x. That pretzel you buy at the mall is SERIOUSLY cheap to make, but you throw them out ALL the time because they get stale so quickly. My favorite item to sell was bottled water. Lasted basically forever and and I made 10x margin on it; even better than my fountain drinks. And believe me, it's true when they say most of the profits a store makes is between Thanksgiving and Christmas. the busy season at the mall really helps because you crank out goods and your not throwing stale items away like you do during a normal period.

    2. Re:The Law of Unintended Consequences... by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so basically, she made a completely moronic business decision, but the article's slant is that it is the fault of groupon? Is this woman not aware she could have set these at a price that would have been reasonable as opposed to bankrupting?

    3. Re:The Law of Unintended Consequences... by Rary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so basically, she made a completely moronic business decision, but the article's slant is that it is the fault of groupon? Is this woman not aware she could have set these at a price that would have been reasonable as opposed to bankrupting?

      From TFA:

      Mrs Brown, who had only expected a few hundred orders, said that the experience was “without doubt, the worst ever business decision I have made”.

      Sounds like she's well aware that she made a bad business decision. What the article doesn't clearly state is what options Groupon provided her in terms of prices she could offer or limitations on the number of groupons sold. At the end of the article, a Groupon representative says that there was no limit placed on the number sold, and that "(w)e approach each business with a tailored, individual approach based on the prior history of similar deals." This doesn't really tell us much, but it is entirely possible that Groupon sold Mrs. Brown on the idea by providing her with unrealistic expectations based on "prior history of similar deals".

      It's also possible that she isn't actually blaming Groupon at all. The article makes that claim, but the quotes from Mrs. Brown only talk about her own underestimation of the response to the deal.

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    4. Re:The Law of Unintended Consequences... by Rary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well yes, he claims that it has always been Groupon's policy. Of course, that was stated in response to a particular case in which the business owner claimed that Groupon refused to allow a cap on the number of groupons sold.

      We can't be sure what deals and limitations the various groupon salespeople actually present to retailers, but it's completely naive to think that Groupon is completely blameless in cases like this simply because the CEO issued a sympathetic press release.

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  2. And the moral of today's story is... by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... be careful about the special offers you advertise online. Groupon isn't at fault here - if anything, the complaint is that it did its job too well. If you put a sign in your window offering a special offer, you can take it down whenever you want. If you stick something out on the net, you need to be very sure that you can handle a bit of scaling around the response.

    Still, full credit to the bakery for actually meeting the orders. I suspect lots of far larger retailers would have tried to weasel out of the deal they'd offered in a situation like that. And so far as I can see from TFA, nobody is talking about lawsuits.

  3. Re:Stupid is as stupid does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I may hate Groupon, but this person has no one to blame but herself. Do the math. If you sell that many coupons, even if only a fraction of them are redeemed, that's a lot of cupcakes.

    The point is that promoting your business via Groupon is very often a big mistake, unless you have a lot of perishable unsold inventory.

    Selling via Groupon doesn't do much to build your business, since most Groupon buyers are cheap - instead of looking to become regular full-price customers, they will look for the next Groupon.

    The customer is loyal to Groupon, not the businesses that sell via Groupon.

  4. Re:Geez... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, people are very bad a math.

    As evidence I cite MegaMillions, Power Ball, and the continued existence of Vegas with its billion dollar hotel/casinos.

    You don't understand that buying a lottery ticket is more than just owning an almost non-existent chance of winning enough money to actually change your life. It is the opportunity to spend a buck or two and spend several very pleasant days fantasizing about what life would be like if you do win. Seen that way, it isn't a bad bargain at all. It's certainly better than spending that couple of bucks on some high fructose corn syrup favored carbonated water that's tough on your liver, metabolism, and overall health.

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  5. Re:expensive cupcakes by jank1887 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you say that, yet we had people decide over the course of a couple years that a $0.50 cup of coffee was now worth $3.95. Of course they'll pay $5 for a cupcake.

  6. Re:There is no "inability" by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Merchants simply fail to actually do so.

    Not quite. The merchants that elect to set reasonable caps don't get their promo run. So you don't see them.

    Groupon runs the deals that make them the most money.

    If a cupcake business wants to run 200 coupons @ 75% off for $7where groupon takes half ($4.50) that's only $900 for groupon.

    Groupon simply won't run that deal.

    Groupon pushes hard for deals they damn well know don't make an ounce of sense for the business.

    When I hire a contractor, or a consultant, or an ad agency... their job is fundamentally to come up with a good solution for the the business.

    If a particular contractor consistently advises, even pushes businesses hard to make catastrophic decisions then they deserve some of the credit for those catastrophic decisions.

  7. There's a reason you spend $39 on a dozen cupcakes by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because you're buying them for an "occasion".

    If you are tasked with providing dessert, stopping at wal-mart on the way to whatever occasion it is to pick up a dozen cupcakes for under $10 is tacky.

    But if you stop at the "gourmet" Cupcake place and spend $40 on "special" cupcakes, that's OK.

    You're really paying for the ability to buy your way out of having to actually bake without the social stigma of being too cheap/lazy.

  8. Re:expensive cupcakes by dondelelcaro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A "gourmet" cupcake is made in exactly the same oven with exactly the same ingredients as a regular cupcake...

    Just like a computer contains the same silicon and rare elements as any other computer, the devil is in how they're assembled and put together, and the skill with which someone makes them. A "working" program is made in exactly the same compiler with exactly the same syntactical constraints as a segfaulting program

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  9. Re:expensive cupcakes by RajivSLK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly this. Except the $0.89 cup cake at my local grocer is made with mostly lard and sugar with waxy poor quality chocolate and lard icing and comes in maybe 3 different flavours and is sold in very high volumes at a low price.

    Whereas the specialty cup cake is made with real butter high quality chocolate and other ingredients and is available in 20 different flavours and is sold in low volumes at a high price.

    Basically think of Neapolitan ice cream from some big manufacturer vs Baskin Robins or some such. You can argue that they are overpriced for what they are but you can't say that the products are exactly the same.

    One last point I'd like to make is that in some other countries in world, like France for example, specialty bakeries making high end pastries and cakes are the *only* types of bakeries. People are so willing to pay for higher quality food that there are no cheap grocery store alternatives. So maybe it's not a fad.