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Hosting Services May Be Breaking Syrian Sanctions

judgecorp writes "Many Syrian government sites and services are hosted outside the country, in the U.S., Canada and Germany. A recent report suggests the hosting services may be breaking international sanctions against the Syrian regime, and assisting it in committing 'crimes against humanity.'"

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  1. North Korea too, and it's not new by CmdrPony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    North Korea has hosted their govermental websites (for outsiders, anyway) in Spain. For example korea-drp.com is hosted on IP 91.142.218.24 in Malaga, Spain. It's been there for years. (I know because I've planned visiting there, and looked it up a few times)

    And seriously, hosting services assisting in "crimes against humanity"? They are informational sites about countries. It makes sense for them to outsource their hosting. Hell, even United States uses Akamai. If you want to do censorship against countries or things you don't agree with, sure, go ahead and silence their websites. But country having a website has nothing to do with "crimes against humanity".

    1. Re:North Korea too, and it's not new by egamma · · Score: 4, Funny

      Planned visiting the IP address, Malaga Spain, or North Korea?

      The first is easy to do. The second and third doesn't explain why you would whois the IP.

      I'd love to see North Korea for curiousity sake; darn me for getting my US citizenship that makes it illegal for me to visit now.

      Supposedly one of the safest countries in the world to visit despite (perhaps because of) the communist ties.

      And I hear they have a great visitor's facility where you can stay for free, for years at a time!

    2. Re:North Korea too, and it's not new by MasaMuneCyrus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you not understand what sanctions are for or how they work?

      Sanctions work?

      Of course they work. Sanctions were great against Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, North Korea, Iran, and Cuba. Before sanctions, they all had terrible crimes against humanity. After sanctions, look how quickly the people came to love the United States and then overthrew their evil regimes to impose new democratic governments with freedom for all!

    3. Re:North Korea too, and it's not new by Shatrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The alternative to sanctions would be Saudia Arabia where you have terrible crimes against humanity and the perpetrators live like gods.
      Just because it's not a panacea doesn't mean it's not worth doing.

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    4. Re:North Korea too, and it's not new by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might not be popular but: If you want the Internet to be a bastion for free speech, you have to have free speech for all (however repellent), not just for those with whom you agree.

      I just did a check, and some Iranian government websites (as given on Wikipedia) work, as they should, including those with a .com TLD.

      So why the special attention to Syria? Iran also put down an uprising a few years ago.

      If you don't agree with something, argue against it on your own website; don't shut down somebody else's.

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  2. well, by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Surely you don't expect people to let a little thing like "crimes against humanity" stop someone from making a buck.

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  3. Re:Capitalists only care about money, film at 11. by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 4, Informative

    Was it Khrushchev who said the west would sell it the rope to hang us with?

    "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." -Lenin

  4. Where are the Saudi Arabia sanctions? by br00tus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Protests have been happening in Saudi Arabia, although I would barely know watching the corporate media in the US. In Qatif, the police open fired on the demonstrators - they have been in fact, slaughtering people there continually. The Saudi police have killed organizers of protests like Abdul-Ahad. Where are the calls for sanctions on Saudi Arabia in the West?

    Politicians keep saying there is a threat from radical Islam. Of course, Osama bin Laden, the mujahideen and nascent al Qaeda and Taliban were radical Islamists back when the USA was backing them to overthrow the secular Afghani government. Even before the Russians got involved. Israel complains about Hamas, but Israel used to secretly fund Hamas, as a bulwark against the PLO. And what about support for Saudi Arabia, probably more out there than Iran in terms of Islamic fundamentalism?

    If we look at history over the years, up to this very day without change, the west from the 1970s has always backed fundamentalist Islamists, and fought to overthrow secular regimes, of the Nasserite type - secular, with pan-Arab aspirations, talk of sovereignty from western powers and a vaguely socialist platforms, at least back when the Warsaw Pact was around. What governments has the west become involved since 9/11? Iraq, Libya and now Syria - all secular countries. Iraq has gone from a secular country, to one that with US troops on the ground has had its constitution changed to say its Islamic.

    The truth is that people like Osama bin Laden were radical Islamists who the US built up and created, and never cared about his terrorists acts against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. They in fact, funded them - flag-wavers like Sylvester Stallone made movies lionizing the Islamic radicals. Secular, pan-Arab followers of Nasser like Qadaffi, Saddam Hussein etc. who were concerned with sovereignty have been the main targets and enemies. We can see what the US has done in Afghanistan to secular regimes, in Iraq which is now Islamic according to its constitution etc. The Saudi government is built up. Yet we are told we have to fear the radical Islamists, although that has been who the US has been supporting up to this day against the secular rulers who want sovereignty.

  5. Re:Crimes against humanity by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By ignoring the sanctions, you are making their life a little less difficult.

    Back in the real world, 'sanctions' normally have two results:

    1. They make the leaders rich as they control the supply of essential goods to the population.
    2. They make the population hate the 'sanctioners' more than they hate their government.

  6. What? by scheme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you seriously comparing whole North Korea to concentration camp in Hitler's Germany? Frankly, it's not like that. While it's true that Kim Jong is the sole leader of the country, it's not really that bad for the people there. They have it much like rest of the world, and people seem really happy. Sure, some of it comes from the fact that they don't know better, but to compare it to concentration camp is ludicrous.

    It sounds like you'd be fine with visiting Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge or Soviet gulags as well. Between 1990-1997 Korea lost between 5-12% of the population to starvation with the military getting preferential treatment in regards to food rations and everyone else being effectively left to fend for themselves. North Korea is still suffering from famine and according to reports people are getting about 700 calories a day of food. Also, north koreans are apparently about five inches shorter on average than equivalent south koreans.

    Either you're woefully misinformed about the situation in North Korea or you're intentionally blinding yourself to it or you simply don't care. If the problem is the former, I'd suggest reading up on things before saying that things are fine and dandy. If it's the latter, well, you should spend time trying to find some compassion and humanity within yourself instead of traveling so much.

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