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US Government Probes Huawei and ZTE
judgecorp writes "Two leading Chinese telecoms companies, Huawei and ZTE, are under investigation for possible spying in the U.S. A government committee says the companies may be stealing U.S. economic secrets, and use of their equipment might open U.S. infrastructure to espionage."
The Chinese government is not in charge of Gundam!
I would have used a spying int, but that's just me.
the motive in selling in usa isn't profit?
what about the motives for cisco selling in china?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Huawei is a Chinese government funded company. I'm sure the funding isn't charity.
I would've thought after Huawei was caught stealing cisco tech (http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/Cisco_Mot_for_PI.pdf), that they'd be blackballed for any government network deployments.
The best way to compete with China is probably to give them all the secrets to our current economy and hope they use them.
Because Cisco and Juniper don't employ Chinese (or foreigners), don't source components from China (or other countries) and American employees would never betray Uncle Sam, not for a million dollars!
China can steal our military secrets.
They can take our economic secrets.
The commies can nick our industrial secrets.
but they will never discover Victoria's secret.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
US Government Probes Huawei and ZTE On Spying Char
IS that a new brand of Chinese tea "spi ying char"
The US might be doing this for honest reasons but then again they might be doing this because US based communications manufacturers are unhappy with companies like ZTE undercutting them using the free and Open Source Android OS.
I bet US based companies can find tons of patents that Chinese companies are infringing. But then again many of these patents are overly broad and are largely being used in an anti-competitive way.
Plus the whole accusation of spying, unless shown to be true, I read as akin to "buying from China isn't patriotic." If the US had evidence of ZTE spying on them you sure as hell would be reading about it right now.
It was free with our ISP, so don't judge me. (We're with TalkTalk in the UK ... ok, do judge me.)
It used client-side validation only to determine whether or not I was entering a valid port to forward to. By copying the admin page to my local machine and updating the target, I was able to remove the validation and set up my port forward to .255 ... I managed to resist the urge of setting up a forward to something actually invalid, in case the router completely died on me.
If the guys that made my router are spies ... they're not very good.
The Chinese have been using robotic char to monitor the US coast. The char have been found upstream several hundred miles. The Chinese have effectively deployed a completely automated surveillance network in the US through these stealth robot-fish.
The People's Republic of China is a totalitarian state and most of its "private industry" is a facade for their civilian government or military. They routinely get caught with massive espionage operations in other countries. Whatever good that can from theoretically lower prices are negated by everything else that'll come with their increased role.
Even if the federal government so thoroughly separated itself from the telecommunication system that the NSA spy scandal was not even remotely possible, letting China get its tentacles deeper into our country's workings is asking for a lot of trouble. If in time they establish a backbone connection to Asia, you can bet your ass their spy agencies will be tapping it harder than a keg of top grade beer at a college party.
Huawei and ZTE have not done any industrial espionage that we know of (or espionage of any kind, for that matter). Nor is the investigation by the House of Representatives’ intelligence committee, in fact, concerned with any espionage done by either Huawei or ZTE. Also, it should be noted that Huawei have opened their hardware to inspection by the British government. Inaccurate post titles like these come at the expense of discussion, since less and less people are actually reading the stories posted here. As was previously posted, the concern here is what malevolent capabilities a Huawei network would give groups like the People's Liberation Army with whom they have alleged ties to.
"If you can't beat them, make up frivolous charges against them...that way, you could at least slow them down."
Fact: US technology companies are struggling.
Fact: There is little they can do.
Fact: The US government would like to see this turned around.
Fact: The US government has the means to do something about it.
This sounds like a preface from Microsoft's playbook. That is, "if you cannot beat them, go the courts with frivolous [patent] lawsuits", where you can land some success in as far as slowing them down is concerned.
This is what is happening. The sad thing is that it will fail. My hope is that the US government will gain valuable insights into this kind of behavior and learn from it.
Everyone acts like China invented industrial espionage. Well, they didn't... they're just really bad at it, which is why everyone is noticing them. First rule of effective espionage: Don't suck.
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Pretty much any major international company understands that if they do business with China they will try to steal information and secrets.
It's not like the US is completely innocent and doesn't spy on everyone ever.
So there is no difference.
Looks like they are just jealous that they never thought of it first.
Everytime I hear a story about the Chinese spying I want to smack the shit out of someone. The U.S. has caused itself so much harm in the outsourcing of every fing thing ever manufactured. The outsourcing of Electronics manufacturing is by far the most damaging thing the U.S. and companies who have looked for cheaper and lax regulatory laws on everything from pay scale to EPA violations.
I won't even get into the discussion of Labor Unions.
I don't want to hear anymore stories about Chinese spying. They have infiltrated just about everything in the U.S.
Where is most of this high tech computer security gear manufactured? Cisco gear is all made in China and don't think they don't have spies working in those other factories that are strewn all over Asia.
The U.S. ships all our used comuter gear all the way to China and then they have people removing the chips and sorting them and then reselling them to other companies namely U.S. contractors who are cheating the system and selling off the shelf chips as hardened components to be used on military systems.
China has taken a 20 to 30 year jump in just military technology alone. They have done this in less than 15 years. Thier submarines, thier Aircraft and now thier Satellitle technology is on par if not better than U.S. systems.
No More Spying Stories!
"...stealing secrets worth millions of dollars in intellectual property”, said committee chairman Mike Rogers
I stopped reading there. Shove your intellectual property up your ass.
I used to work for Ericsson in Sweden, and it was a well know fact that Huawei stole a lot of research material from the company. There was a case were a Chinese employee was caught hard copying (-as in Xerox) several research papers (I don't remember all of it, but I think even the Chinese embassy was involved).
One of the few things Ericsson has going for them is their research (since their services division is a joke and doesn't bring any substantial revenue for the company), but if this continues they will be dead on the water in 10 years time.
Funny thing about all of this is that Ericsson has a research center in China, from where they bring those 'employees' who end up getting the info for Huawei.
...is actually true by scanning all the chips and figuring out exactly what they do?
Pretty sure its impossible to hide things in hardware that easily to the point where nobody would notice it.
Can make it extremely complex, but still not impossible.
Also pretty sure this has been done before by people with significantly less resources in order to crack gaming machines and the like.
I remember hearing how 360 was supposedly impossible to crack because it used extremely precise timings or some nonsense in order to prevent alternate routings of current. Not even sure if it was still true, but that's probably as far as you could go.
Creating a physical encryption key + hardware that will only react to the right signal is pretty hard too, without it being very noticeable that its use is for spying or whatever nonsense.
So why are they making a big fuss out of this? They could have been using their own spying stuff against them if it was true, but instead they are throwing a huge fit about it.
So I believe they are just spreading some FUD to slow down sales.
is an "economic secret"?? feels like federal agencies are getting nervous around all the budget cuts that are about to kick in from the super committee failure.
Good people go to bed earlier.
China is the new Soviet Russia.
The US government intends to maintain its monopoly power of spying on the people of the US.
Even if a review shows that there is currently no cause for alarm any future software upgrade could include backdoors or time bombs.
Besides which, as long as CEOs are willing to sell the company proprietary tech for a big immediate payoff and related bonuses for themselves regardless of how that leaves the company and its employees in the long run then it doesn't make much difference anyway.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
This would be different from the USA spying on Airbus contracts for aircrafts HOW exactly?
To even compare the US with China on these grounds does nothing but make them look less evil by comparison. It's like telling someone who spanks their children a little too much to "clean up their own house before passing judgment" on someone who beats the ever loving shit out of their kid on a weekly basis.
Of COURSE they are spying. Simply look at what happened with Google. These businesses are owned by the gov. or loyal party members.
Take it a step further. They are dumping solar products on the west, as way to destroy economy. This approach will continue until the west decides to put a stop to this. Basically, USA needs to balance our budget and then raise trade barriers.
What is amazing is that the west has not changed their ways. We are so into greed that we allow this crap. Simple things like insisting that our new upcoming mobile phones need to be built in the west, yet it will not happen. WHy not? Because of GREED.
The Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) put out a notice in 2010 claiming that Huawei is involved in spying for the Chinese government.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-05-07/news/27580384_1_chinese-telecom-huawei-technologies-ren-zhengfei
Huawei has been asking for some time for a public inquiry about these alledged ties with the red army, istead of being stonewalled in their initiatives with what they call excuses.
Having said that, be carefull what you wish for, now they have the govt probe they requested, if the allegations are found to be true, all hell will break lose.
The probe is not only to see if chinese makers are spying, but also to see if the relevant intel agencies in the us are capable of detecting the spionage, as well as countering it.
Full idsclosure: I worked in Huawei for a year.
Clarification: Not many people know, Huawei does not trade in any stock exchange (so, less scrutiny and compliance burden, they have IIRC KPMG auditing their stuff, but the stuff is never published), but, allegedly, there is no govt participation in it. On the other hand, ZTE trades in some exchanges (mainly shangai), so there is more transarency, but the chinese govt. owns something along the lines of 20~30% of the shares.
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I have it on good authority the chinese shall soon be seeking to propogate an order 66 TLV throughout BGP after which control of the minds of the entire worlds population are instantly placed under direct control of the chinese empire.
TSMC has been secretly injecting mind control antennas in a secret metal layer of every chip they've stamped over the last decade just waiting for the command... Huawei, ZTE and Lenovo are just the tip of the iceburg. We are already doomed..their antennas are in every recent device with a processor on the planet. All of the tools that can be used to detect them were the first to have been compromised.
the companies may be stealing U.S. economic secrets,
...another 50 years or so we can expect China's economic system to collapse as well...
Seeing as the NSA mainly concerns itself in industrial espionage and spying against its own people, it's only fair that the Chinese do it also ..
Anyone have the feeling that if the US and China ever went to war, half the computer systems in the US and other allied nations would act in a similar to the colonial computer systems in the initial cylon attack in battlestar gallactica?
Jobs killed Western society with Eastern technology.