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Netflix Expects To Be Unprofitable In 2012

PolygamousRanchKid writes with an article in CNN Money about Netflix's prospects in 2012. From the article: "Netflix warned in its last earnings report that it expects to be unprofitable 'for a few quarters' starting at the beginning of 2012. The primary culprit is Netflix's pricey plan to expand its streaming video service into the United Kingdom and Ireland, but a wave of subscribers jumping ship hasn't helped. The filing also revealed that Netflix is in the process of raising $400 million from investors to help bulk up its cash stash. While that will give Netflix more money to invest in content, secondary offerings are sometimes considered ominous signs."

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  1. More content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    They need more content...I watched nearly all the good movies over one winter off work.

    1. Re:More content by localman57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe he's a bricklayer. My cousin is one. He works like hell 3 seasons a year, then takes the winter off.

    2. Re:More content by tom17 · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, let me do some random searches of stuff I want to watch...
      (I PROMISE that these are as they come off my head, of stuff I am thinking of with no deliberately only looking for stuff they don't have)

      Pulp Fiction: No
      Stargate SG1: Oooh they have it now!
      Stargate Atlantis: No
      Dr Who (new): No
      Top Gear(UK, New): YES!!
      House MD: No
      Lost: No (Not actually a bad thing)
      Total Recall: No
      Avatar: No
      Airplane: No (But they have Airplane2??)
      Shrek: No
      Star Wars: No
      Start Trek Series: No (But they do have three films, including the latest)
      Die Hard: No
      Inception: No
      Crank: No (But they have Crank 2)
      Family Guy: No
      Futurama: No
      Titanic: No (But, again, they have the sequel!. I don;t actually want to watch it anyway, I just thought of it is all)
      Friends: No (For wifey)
      Seinfeld: No
      Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels: YES!!!
      Snatch: YES!!!
      Saw: Yes, but only 1 & 2
      The IT Crowd: Yes!
      The Backyardigans: Yes
      Special Agent Oso: No
      Mickey Mouse: No
      Grays Anatomy: No
      Kill Bill: No
      Shaun of the dead: Yes :)
      Poltergeist: No

      Etc, etc, etc. Need I go on?

      8/32 - 25% success.
      Granted, this is a FAR better success rate than when I last looked (more like 5%), but it's still pretty piss poor :(

      When it gets to over 50% such that most (i.e. over 50% :) ) of what I am looking for is there, then I will part with my money.

      I wonder what the pass rate is for that list on the USA version. I don't have a US proxy so can't check. I bet it is much higher.

    3. Re:More content by VickiM · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's weird. When I look at my account:
      Star Gate Atlantis - Yes
      Airplane! - Yes
      Doctor Who - All the new Who that has been release on DVD except Season 6 which was released two days ago in Region 2 only
      Star Trek Series - I see original, TNG, Voyager, DS9, Enterprise, the Animated Series.
      Die Hard - Yes
      Family Guy - Yes
      Futurama - Yes
      Grey's Anatomy - Yes

      Are you a troll?

    4. Re:More content by billtom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, Bell and Rogers are evil bastards, but in the Netflix Canada case, it's the Canadian divisions of the major movie/television production companies that are the villians. Like: Sony Pictures Canada, NBCUniversal Canada, etc, etc. (And yes, Bell and Rogers are somewhat involved, but in their role as content owners, not as ISPs.)

      From what I understand, these big multi-national companies are not particularly happy with Netflix US, but they're kind of stuck because they have existing agreements and Netflix US has too many subscribers to ignore.

      But then when it came time for Netflix and the movie/TV production companies to negotiate contracts for Canadian distribution, the productions companies said, "hey, wait, here's our chance to really stick it to Netflix. the Canadian market isn't that big and Netflix doesn't have a big presence there yet."

      So they offered much worse deals to Netflix that Netflix just couldn't afford; or refused to license the content under any terms.

      Basically, the people who own the content copyrights are starving Netflix Canada in hopes that it dies.

  2. Overvalued for 10 years by JoeMerchant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anytime I ran any kind of "rational valuation" calculation on NFLX based on subscribers, income, potential for growth, etc. the market seemed to be out-pricing my ideas by a factor of 3 to 7... NFLX has been a very expensive stock for a very long time, I'm surprised it took this long for the bubble to deflate.

    Still a good business model, when they aren't spouting off idiotic ideas about breaking it.

  3. Netflix still in a good position by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They lost a lot of subscribers due to their split-service gap, and they look to be having content issues...

    However, they still seem in a good position to me. The service is fundamentally good, they still have a lot of ratings from users to help determine what content makes sense for them to buy, and (most importantly) they have a LOT of paths into the home - just about any device you can name supports Netflix.

    They are in a rocky spot now but I just can't see who can replace them easily, or even reach the position they currently hold within a year or two.

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    1. Re:Netflix still in a good position by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are in a rocky spot now but I just can't see who can replace them easily, or even reach the position they currently hold within a year or two.

      You seem to forget Netflix' existance is allowed solely at the discretion of the MPAA. They're becoming unprofitable right now because the MPAA decided to charge more. They're like the OPEC of the content world. They don't care who lives and who dies, as long as they can keep writing their own paychecks.

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  4. I'm sympathetic, but stop with the bonehead moves by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I understood when they had to raise prices. The studios have gotten crazy greedy on the whole streaming thing and their costs have gone through the roof. Netflix streaming is still BY FAR the best deal around. You can watch the entire runs of shows like Battlestar Galactica (original AND new, even 1980), The X-Files, Twin Peaks, Firefly, Family Guy, etc (many of them in HD, no less). Nothing else even comes close to the selection or quality of Netflix's streaming library.

    But I'm a lot LESS sympathetic with some of their bonehead moves--like trying to separate their by-mail/streaming divisions with annoying separate websites and queues (a move destined to serve little purpose other than pissing off loyal customers like me) and paying $40 million for a bunch of shitty Dreamworks streaming rights (a move that's only going to encourage the greed of the other studios in the future).

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  5. Good luck Netflix by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They face very stiff competition from other companies with much deeper pockets, so they are going to have it tough for a while. I like Netflix (their latest snafu with splitting the DVD rental / streaming plans didn't affect me - I'm streaming only), and as a technophile, I'm pleased that they have gone to great lengths to support such a diverse range of hardware. A lot of companies wouldn't have bothered with Wii, XBox, Android, etc. Netflix's decision to split off their DVD rental was simply waaaaay too early. That is an inevitability of course - anyone with the least bit of foresight can see that demand for physical media is going to drop off a great deal in the near future. However, Netflix must provide a mechanism to bolster the streaming support since the movies offered online are so hit and miss, and the only choice is DVD for now.

    Take Lord of the Rings for example. Did you know that you can watch The Two Towers online, but not the first or third movies? Now what in the world is that about??? As long as that sort of garbage is going on, customers need a single unified interface and billing to get movies in whichever format is available.

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  6. Netflix is great for active people by pavon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know that Bob is a regular troll here, but I'm a sucker and will respond anyway.

    As an active individual I have no desire to adjust my life around a television schedule, nor pay $50+ a month for a cable service that I rarely use. Cutting that expense to $8 a month makes much more sense for a casual TV/movie consumer. It allows me to not worry about getting "behind" in a series as I can watch it at my own pace, and leave the house at any time without concern about what I am missing. It allows me to have down time when I need it (and as you should very well know, having relaxing time is very important for physical and mental health).

  7. Re:Good, but not for the reasons I had hoped for. by arkane1234 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Buddy, I watch netflix for the 2 hours I have to watch a movie between errands, work, and sleep.
    It's not a lot to ask, and I'll be damned if I'll have someone with your attitude treating it like I'm doing something wrong.
    Fuck you.

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  8. Re:Good, but not for the reasons I had hoped for. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Informative

    Folks, it's a measly $8/month for unlimited TV and movies.
    How enticing is that? You know what's even cheaper? GETTING OFF YOUR BUTTS
    AND MOVING! Instead of asking the family "What do you want to watch
    tonight?" ask "Where should we walk to tonight?"

    You know, when I get home from work in the winter, it's dark, and usually cold. I do like to get the kids out when I can, but pushing it against the dark and cold leads to sick kids as often as not. And, so, then, we can hop in the auto and pop round to, well, where? The shopping mall? A restaurant? Just the petrol cost will dwarf $8/month.

    Golden Girls quote: "What did we do before we sat around like dolts staring at the Television?" "Oh, I remember when I was a kid, we sat around like dolts staring at the Radio."

    Get a hobby, build a workshop, wash your dishes by hand and mop the floor - yeah, these are all good alternatives, but for the hours between 6 and 10pm, there's not a lot of decent outdoor activity available in the winter.

  9. A large part by AdamJS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A large part of their problems, ironically, can be blamed on iTunes. Or rather, what iTunes did.

    Apple came into the market and swept a massive position of power and influence right out from under the music (or rather, content) industry's feet. Apple gained a novel and unrivaled position to dictate the terms of negotiation.
    They're still stinging from that.

    As a byproduct, they were far more 'prepared' for Netflix. Well, not prepared, as the industry is ancient, slow, bloated and generally can't see "the next big thing" until it's already slapped them across the face and taken their daughter out to dinner.
    They were more Apprehensive, really.
    They may not have known if Netflix would be a success (by-mail services could never be a threat, and when the streaming came about, similar "on demand" services were rather mediocre) but they knew well enough to keep the reigns on a potentially unwieldy beast.

    So Netflix' (possibly unexpected to the Industry) fast growth and explosion in the public mindshare did not end up giving them anywhere near the same control and leverage for negotiations with content owners and producers. Netflix did not secure a completely dominant position, and were unable to supplant the general DVD purchase/rental and theater-going parts of the industry, or at least nowhere near as successfully as iTunes snowballed over CDs.

    As such, they're entirely at the whim of industry conglomerates that view them now as something of an enemy, or an annoyance that is profitable enough not to deserve a swat yet.

    If the industry wasn't so generally inept, there would have been an MPA-aligned style service already out and Netflix would be deprived of most of its content almost immediately.

  10. Re:Good, but not for the reasons I had hoped for. by Atticka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, its healthy for your kids to be exposed to cold, germs, etc...

    Get them outside, go skating at the rink, go tobogganing, cross country skiing, downhill skiing, snowshoeing, sign up for a winter survival course just for fun, build a snowman....

    Lots of stuff to do!

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  11. They have a lot of options to become profitable. by Viewsonic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Netflix has yet to offer video games or adult movies. Both those avenues will bring in tons of cash.

  12. NYC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In NYC, the government has actually created a black market for tobacco, complete with all the crime that comes with it. How did they do it? By making it too expensive to legally acquire tobacco -- same as any other instance of prohibition -- except that this isn't full prohibition, but some kind of quasi-prohibition where it's both legal and illegal.

    This is what prohibition does (create a black market), whether you're talking about "sin taxing" or outright criminalization. If you look a little closer, you'll realize that creating a black market -- and all the violence and injustice that comes with it -- is actually more profitable than taxing and regulating. It simply depends on the drug and whether or not they can "pull it off". They tried it with alcohol and actually succeeded for 10 years until the people started waking up to the violence and the root cause of it all.

    What they are doing in NYC is testing the waters, not reducing the number of smokers. They are looking for the sweet spot between legalized/regulated (tax revenue) and criminalized/prohibited (law enforcement revenue) that will simply rake the most money through the business of government.

    Not quite as romantic as you pictured, is it? Don't think for a second that prohibitionists and "drug warriors" are after anything but cold hard cash, because you're fooling yourself.

  13. Re:Good, but not for the reasons I had hoped for. by aclarke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Put a bike trainer or treadmill in your garage, and watch Netflix while you exercise. Problems (real and perceived) solved ;-)