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Terahertz Wireless Chip Will Bring 30Gbps Networks

MrSeb writes "Rohm, a Japanese semiconductor company, has created a silicon chip and antenna that's currently capable of transmitting 1.5Gbps, with the potential to scale up to 30Gbps in the future. While this is a lot faster than anything currently on the market, the significant advance here is the reception and transmission of terahertz waves (300GHz to 3THz) using a chip and antenna that's just two centimeters long. Rohm says it will only cost $5 when it comes to market in a few years — a stark comparison to current terahertz gear that's both large and expensive. The problem with terahertz transmissions, though, is that it's highly directional — with a submillimeter wavelength, it's more like a laser than a signal. Terahertz waves might enable awesome device-to-device networks, but it isn't going to bring 30Gbps internet to a whole city block. More interestingly, submillimeter terahertz radiation is the next step up from the gigahertz radiation used in full-body millimeter wave scanners. Terahertz waves can not only see through clothing, but can also penetrate a few millimeters of skin."

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  1. Next mod... by ThinkDifferently · · Score: 2, Funny

    Build your own fully body scanner.

    1. Re:Next mod... by ddd0004 · · Score: 5, Funny

      This could be very handy for searching for government implanted transmitters inside your own body. I look forward to a day when we can cast aside our crudely fashioned aluminum hats

    2. Re:Next mod... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Which part of "can penetrate a few millimeters of skin" is 'interesting' rather than 'scary'?

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    3. Re:Next mod... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Terahertz radiation is non-ionizing, unlike say X-Rays. This type of radiation is used in things like bomb detectors and to inspect explosives and other unstable compounds because it can penetrate a few millimeters but does not break down molecular bonds.

    4. Re:Next mod... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Medical diagnostics.

    5. Re:Next mod... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Terahertz radiation is non-ionizing, unlike say X-Rays. This type of radiation is used in things like bomb detectors and to inspect explosives and other unstable compounds because it can penetrate a few millimeters but does not break down molecular bonds.

      Non ionizing != safe.
      There's a reason there's a little grill on your microwave door window.

    6. Re:Next mod... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Non ionizing != safe.
      There's a reason there's a little grill on your microwave door window.

      Somehow I doubt these will be transmitting a 1000W. It can still be safe, even without the little grill.

    7. Re:Next mod... by trum4n · · Score: 1

      Next Next mod: CANCER.

    8. Re:Next mod... by Killer · · Score: 2

      You are so incorrect. At least do a cursory Wikipedia search before you make a claim:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation

      Even 1 gamma ray can knock an electron off an atom, causing molecular changes (e.g. damaging DNA). No amount of IR will do this, it will just cause thermal effects (burns).

    9. Re:Next mod... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yea, because heat causes cancer.

      Better turn off your heaters!

      (what part of non-ionizing don't you understand? Either it reflects, or is absorbed as heat.) They quite simply don't have the energy to do anything bad when they interact.

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    10. Re:Next mod... by trum4n · · Score: 1

      It was a full body scanner joke...

    11. Re:Next mod... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, didn't realize you were being satirical. I thought you were serious :P

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    12. Re:Next mod... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the post you replied to? You certainly didn't understand it.

    13. Re:Next mod... by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      Near 100% efficient photovoltaics.

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    14. Re:Next mod... by RKBA · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine almost blinded himself when he was young because he was fooling around with the Klystron amplifier from a microwave oven. He thought it was turned off, but it was not. It "cooked" the lenses in both of his eyes enough to make them completely opaque. For some reason I'm not clear on, they were not able to replace the lenses as they do in standard cataract surgery, so my friend has to wear very thick eyeglasses, and carry a magnifying glass for inspecting small objects.

    15. Re:Next mod... by mikael · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying ionizing radiation isn't hazardous. Radar systems on aircraft, microwave radio transmitters, and high-frequency transmitters have warnings for that exact reason.

      What I was trying to say, is that any wavelength in the electronmagnetic spectrum is dangerous at a level inversely proportional to the wavelength. Shorter wavelengths like gamma-rays, X-rays, UV are enough to penetrate the skin and cause damage to DNA with just photon.

      Cellular repair from burns leads to rapid cell divisions and more chances of mutations which in turn leads to an increased risk of cancer. The effect of heat is to damage proteins and chemical bonds in both the cell and DNA. Why else would cells die off? The hot feeling from sunburn is caused by the cells repairing themselves.

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    16. Re:Next mod... by __aailrp9629 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, non-ionizing radiation is also used in microwave ovens. (And radars, which is why large radars have hazard zones.)

    17. Re:Next mod... by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      aluminum hats

      It's supposed to be TIN FOIL ! You've revealed all our secrets!

    18. Re:Next mod... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Well, I think you could probably go through some existing data and see if hyperthermia (eg heat stroke) victims have a higher incidence of cancer. You should go the other way and check hypothermia as well to be thorough.

      Since both of those are caused by "wrong" core temperatures, what you see there should apply to intracellular heating/cooling as well. But in this case, we are assuming the radio waves doing the heating could penetrate much much further into the body than they can.

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    19. Re:Next mod... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      This isn't a beam though. From my impression it's low gain.

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  2. The Future by masternerdguy · · Score: 2

    What can I do with 30 GiB/s? I'm trying to figure that out, give me some ideas.

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    1. Re:The Future by mwfischer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Run Windows Update and be done in about 15 minutes.

    2. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cook chicken, most likely

    3. Re:The Future by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Funny

      Share porn with your neighbor across the street at never before seen transfer speeds.

    4. Re:The Future by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean the one restart that takes a minute and a half on Windows 7?

      Followed by thirteen and a half minutes for all the crapware to start up after you log in.

    5. Re:The Future by newsman220 · · Score: 1

      Media. I work for a company that makes video editing systems, and 30GiB/s would be great when you're dealing with multiple streams of media at 225Mb/s or higher off a shared storage solution.

    6. Re:The Future by Lord+Lode · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed, 640K ought to be enough for everyone!

    7. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They said the same about broadband: "What could anyone possibly do with 20mbps? They barely use the 56k we give them!"

      Give them the bandwidth - they'll find a good use for it. I can see it being very useful in a small/medium server room - 30Gbps makes it a competitive LAN system. Having a bunch of wireless cards would be much easier than running all that cable, even if some manual aiming and orientation of antennas is necessary.

      I also imagine "the cloud" would benefit from this - even 1.5gbps is basically SATA speeds. Latency is higher, but the potential throughput gains are impressive. That may make it possible for "local storage" to be "operating system and cloud sync software", with everything being server-side somewhere. You and I may not join in (I don't like the privacy most of the cloud has), but many people don't give a shit about that.

      Gaming might also benefit. Current online gaming depends a lot on synchronizing things, then letting the clients do a lot of the calculation. Updating the position of falling objects is almost always client-side, with the server checking every once in a while. It's a major headache, code-wise. With a suitably massive pipe, it becomes unnecessary - just send the coordinates every frame.

      Or it makes video streaming work properly. Dealing with current streaming is rough on networks, as it needs to get there quickly. 30gbps to the home, and you can download an entire blu-ray, uncompressed, in two seconds. Latency can be looser - nobody's going to complain if it takes three seconds instead of two. There was an article on /. about that a couple months back.

    8. Re:The Future by maeka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wireless docking for your mobile device, when combined with inductive power. No more cables.

      You going to rectify that?

    9. Re:The Future by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Informative

      apparently nothing, because higher frequencies have horrible ranges. This stuff might work at ridiculously short range, but also won't be able to penetrate through anything which would enable it to work anywhere significant. Look at how tough even the 2.4ghz stuff like wireless devices can barely even penetrate a few walls, and now we're talking terahertz?

      Long story short, nothing, because this product will never even give you 1.5Gbps.

    10. Re:The Future by Lennie · · Score: 2

      Somehow I have the feeling it might be a bad idea to be operated on by a robot which is connected over wireless.

      Most operations like that happen on an operation table in an operating room I would imagine, probably not the place where wireless is needed.

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    11. Re:The Future by Lennie · · Score: 2

      A lot of systems already support 10 Gbps Ethernet on UTP and fibre. 40 and 100 Gbps Ethernet is coming.

      At 10 Gbps, iSCSI is already faster, cheaper and even lower latency than most 8 Gbps FibreChannel solutions, pushing FibreChannel even more into the highend niche markets it already is.

      After the fairly new SATA 6 Gbit/s, it looks like SATA Express is will be connected directly to the PCI Express bus without needing a SATA controller.

      This 30 Gbps wireless stuff is probably only useful for point-to-point and short ranges.

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    12. Re:The Future by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can run through your comcast monthly bandwidth cap in 8.3 seconds.

    13. Re:The Future by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Yes, there's already 10+Gbps ethernet stuff. But that's honestly overkill for a lot of small/medium businesses' servers. Even 10Gbps is sort of overkill going to an Exchange server for 100 people. Few companies would pay extra to get 100GE to everything unless it actually benefits something.

      Many companies, however, would pay a little extra to cut down on cable nests. Easier maintenance, easier expandability... those all serve business purposes. Bosses like to hear "this investment will cost $X, and save us $Y per year in reduced downtime as well as making us more agile at deploying new servers".

    14. Re:The Future by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      That's a bunch of crap.

      Nothing, because a "GiB" is not a thing. 1 GB is 1073741824 Bytes. It always has been, and it always will be.

      I think it's clear that everyone who uses "GiB" disagrees with you.

      Note that the "G" is not an SI scalar. No one ever said it was, and there's no reason it needs to be.

      Right, except that it uses the same symbol as the SI prefix (not scalar, prefix), has approximately the same value, was specifically chosen to have the same symbol and approximately same value intentionally, and so it easily confused with it.

      T is Tesla. Or is it tera? K is Kelvin, or is it kilo? Gy is Giga...something? Oh no, it's just grays!

      As you mention, there's no ambiguity because you can't have a bare prefix. T is just Tesla, since it's not followed by a unit. T(unit) is a tera-(unit), and (prefix)T is a (prefix)-Tesla. K is easier, since the SI prefix for kilo- is a lowercase k and not an uppercase. Gy is easy because there's no SI unit "y". Sure, it's confusing with "year", which is not an SI unit, but time units are ugly anyway.

      ...if you look at practical usage, where people and fields use units and variables of their own, or don't always use the proper case, it's far worse.

      Yes, idiosyncratic unit systems are hard to understand unless you're familiar with that particular system. Hence standardized unit systems like SI.

      And then there's the mass fraction. Yup, kg/kg. The symbol for this unit? 1. That's right. The digit 1. Anytime you divide a mass by a mass you better add a superfluous 1 in there otherwise you're not compliant with the SI quackery!

      According to whom? There are tons of dimensionless quantities out there, and as far as I know, nobody ever adds a digit "1" when writing them. It is proper to write out that their units (or dimensions) are 1 in pedagogy, when you want to explicitly write out the unit, since you can't very well leave a blank space. Even that's uncommon, though: it's more typical to say that mass fraction is dimensionless or unitless. When writing out quantities, you certainly don't add anything for the units. For example, "The atomic weight of beryllium is 9.01," or "the Reynolds number Re ~= 4 x 10^7."

    15. Re:The Future by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      What about reflection? Just because they can't go through the wall doesn't mean they can't reflect off the other wall and through the door.

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    16. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand the difference between a bit and a byte. 30Gbps will not allow you to download a 50GB blu-ray in 2 seconds, it would take about 13 seconds. 30GBps would.

    17. Re:The Future by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Your entire posts shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.
      SI doesn't get to claim letters and symbols for its own exclusive use. It doesn't matter that K was in use. SI has no authority over anything. Furthermore, the use of 1024 instead of 1000 has an intrinsic practical advantage in computer science - shit is binary and we care about permutations, so we like powers of 2. They're infinitely more useful.

      And SI scalars are scalars. They are not prefixes even though they call them that - they can be, and are, inserted ANYWHERE in a computation or algebraic statement. They are scalar multiples. If you want to bitch about K being lower case, fine - just go ahead and first concede that KB isn't confusing at all because K isn't an SI prefix. And then ignore M and m for meter, milli, and mega.

      As for the 1, "according to whom?"? According to SI! Read their fucking shit and learn what a mass fraction is. It's absurd.

    18. Re:The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please don't feed the trolls.

    19. Re:The Future by pedrop357 · · Score: 2

      I went from XP to Vista and was very disappointed. When my Vista installed died of filesystem corruption, I went to Windows 7 thinking "what the hell, probably just as bad and can't really be worse?"

      Upon second boot, I thought something was wrong when I saw the ESET splash screen come so soon after logging in. I was genuinely surprised and impressed to have my desktop available for use so soon. It was a little sluggish, but far more usable then Vista or XP ever were as soon it was presented to me. Hibernation appeared to work faster in both directions with the system being usable sooner after logging in upon resume.

      My aging P4 3.2, 2GB, Geforce 7300GT (AGP) system boots to a login screen faster with Windows 7 then Vista. XP would boot pretty quickly and get me to a login prompt faster then 7 does. BUT, after the prompt XP was very sluggish and required almost as much time to be usable as it did to boot. The (illustrative only) example I'll give is XP booting to login in about 60 seconds, getting to desktop 10 seconds later and becoming usably responsive about 30 seconds after that. Total time to be usable is about 100 seconds. Windows 7 may take 75 seconds minute to get to the login screen, 2-5 seconds to the desktop,is more usable then XP as soon as the desktop is up and takes another 10-15 before feeling almost lag-free. Total time to usability is 77-95 seconds.

      Windows 7 also seems to completes the post-desktop startup faster then either of the others. I watch the disk light and Process Explorer for CPU and process I/O to gauge this. I know which processes startup after login and noticed that everything was loaded and I/O settled some 20-40 seconds sooner than Vista or XP with identical software and startup apps installed under those OSes.

      I later played around with changing some services from automatic to delayed just to shave time off the login->desktop and post-startup desktop lag. These were services that I knew didn't need to load right away (think MS Live, Adobe, Google updater, Cisco VPN, etc.) This did work for me and gave me a nice bump in response right after login.

      It's not Microsoft's fault that nearly every app vendor now feels the need to install a startup app and/or a service. Nor is it entirely their fault that OEMs feel the need to load a dozen apps that all want to run at startup.

    20. Re:The Future by jamiesan · · Score: 1

      Rectify? Damn near Killed a Fy!

    21. Re:The Future by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Nah, he was overly bombastic, but correct. The confusion is solely caused by the attempts to 'sensibly revise' a perfectly sensible binary numbering scheme. It's an attempt to force a decimal hierarchy on a system that is not decimal... attempting to make reality fit bureaucratic dictates, rather than the other way around.

    22. Re:The Future by Genda · · Score: 1

      And you would be wrong. There are a number of robotic surgical systems now being deployed in Africa and other parts of the third world, allowing top surgeons the ability to provide much needed medical expertise in places that people would normally never have access. Its a great way to refine/perfect surgical robotics, and serve the poor and hard to reach people of the world at the same time.

    23. Re:The Future by swillden · · Score: 2

      Nah, he was overly bombastic, but correct. The confusion is solely caused by the attempts to 'sensibly revise' a perfectly sensible binary numbering scheme. It's an attempt to force a decimal hierarchy on a system that is not decimal... attempting to make reality fit bureaucratic dictates, rather than the other way around.

      Except that parts of reality aren't binary.

      For example, communication protocols (like this one) are specified in powers-of-10 units because they're based on measuring wireless frequencies, which are measured in powers-of-10 hertz -- in this case, I'm sure that 1.5 Gbps means 1.5E9 bits per second. A 14.4 kbps modem transmitted 14,400 bits per second. A T-1 line transmits 1.54 Mbps, meaning 1,540,000 bits per second -- and note that framing and other overhead bits mean that you can't just divide by 8 to get bytes per second.

      In addition, hard disk storage has always been base 10, going back to the very first drives in the early 60s -- during which time RAM was also measured in base 10 units because it wasn't, in fact, in powers of 2, so any power-of-2 measurement would have been an approximation. For example, the IBM 1401 maxed out at 16K bytes (though they weren't called bytes), where 16K meant 16,000, not 16,384. Now, of course, we're gradually moving to flash-based storage, which works more like RAM, for which base 2 sizing works better because base 2 addressing works better.

      Floppy disk storage is particularly weird in that it started out with base 2 units and progressed to a weird amalgamation of base 2 and base 10. A "360 KB" floppy held exactly 360 * 1024 bytes, but a "1.44 MB" floppy held 1,440 * 1024 = 1,474,560 bytes, which is properly 1.47456 MB or 1.40625 MiB.

      There's a mixture of base 2 and base 10 measurements in the computing world, and there always has been. Early on, base 10 dominated. Now, base 2 dominates, so I could argue that your position that the prefixes all mean base 2 is an attempt to rewrite the history of computing -- but even now it's still not ALL base 2. So there's a real need for a way to specify what you mean, exactly, and IMO it's better to say 3 MiB and 3 MB rather than 3 MB-but-this-time-I-mean-binary-megabytes and 3 MB-but-this-time-I-mean-SI-megabytes. Granted that the pronunciation of the base 2 units is a little weird (kibibyte, mebibyte, gibibyte, tebibyte), but when precision matters it's good to have that option.

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    24. Re:The Future by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I think that absorption is a problem when you get even into the 100GHz range or so. The atmosphere is relatively transparent to radiation below a few GHz, and to the range that contains visible light (probably the reason we can see that range), but it is fairly opaque to everything else.

      Water and oxygen and various other molecules absorb energy across a huge range of the spectrum. That's why telescopes outside of the more traditional radio and visible wavelengths need to be located at high altitude.

    25. Re:The Future by zbobet2012 · · Score: 1

      10 GbE is currently used broadly by large data movers as outputs from there servers. Many "cache nodes" in todays large CDN's (akamai, level 3) run multiple 10GbE interfaces. 40GbE and 100GbE are only currently used on backbone routers to upgrade capacity.

    26. Re:The Future by froggymana · · Score: 1

      You mean the one restart that takes a minute and a half on Windows 7?

      Followed by thirteen and a half minutes for all the crapware to start up after you log in.

      But at least the crapware will update itself quickly!

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    27. Re:The Future by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Anything is countable in binary or decimal. A count of sectors on a disk or bits on a wire is not naturally binary or decimal. It happens to be the case that for many uses, they're stored in binary, but we store numbers in binary and express them in decimal all the time.

      The only real reason to have counts be powers of two is to make some internal math faster and more consistent. For example, because a memory page is 4096 bytes, you can mask the least significant 12 bits in a memory address to separate it into a page number and offset into the page.

      That's not something a user ever needs to see. It never needs to be printed on a package.

      The problem is that power-of-two prefixes can occur along with SI units, which is very confusing. It's not at all intuitive that 10.00 MB/s = 10.49 bytes/microsecond. (More evil is when 10.00 Mbits/s = 10.00 bits/microsecond, but is 76.3 MB/s.)

    28. Re:The Future by Lennie · · Score: 1

      A lot have replaced 4 or more 1 Gbps with one 10 Gbps on the vmware/whatever-virt. servers.

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    29. Re:The Future by sexconker · · Score: 1

      For example, communication protocols (like this one) are specified in powers-of-10 units because they're based on measuring wireless frequencies, which are measured in powers-of-10 hertz -- in this case, I'm sure that 1.5 Gbps means 1.5E9 bits per second. A 14.4 kbps modem transmitted 14,400 bits per second. A T-1 line transmits 1.54 Mbps, meaning 1,540,000 bits per second -- and note that framing and other overhead bits mean that you can't just divide by 8 to get bytes per second.

      You, like many modem vendors who labelled their products at X kbps, instead of X k, are just wrong.
      You're confusing BAUD with BITS.
      A 56k modem is 56,000 BAUD.

      And yes, floppies were a cluster fuck. All of storage was, because they all wanted to advertise more space. 1 KB was 1024 bytes, and everyone knew it. But a MB was something new to a lot of people, so they thought they could get away with calling 1000 KB 1 MB. Many of the early storage devices weren't actually specced in a number of bytes, anyway, they were specced to tracks, sectors, etc. which marketing goons confused/abused, take your pick.

    30. Re:The Future by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      what part of "you'll be lucky if the signal can travel 1 centimeter" makes you think that reflecting off of anything would matter? I don't mean this as an insult towards you, just a matter of practicality. It wouldn't work.

      This could have use in the same way that body scanners work, or the concept of a wireless connection from hardware to hardware - think of those "stone" chargers where you just drop the phone on top of it, but instead being able to just put a graphics card on top to have it connect to your computer - no installation needed.

      So while it has uses, any form of even short range communication will beat this hands down.

    31. Re:The Future by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Well lets put it this way.

      Your lamp, even if you block sight of it with your hand, you can still see the light it gives off, no? And if it was modulated (eg switched on and off) you would still see this, even though you have no line of sight? EM works the same way.

      And the range is not only a handful of centimeters. The air doesn't absorb it THAT much...

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    32. Re:The Future by swillden · · Score: 1

      For example, communication protocols (like this one) are specified in powers-of-10 units because they're based on measuring wireless frequencies, which are measured in powers-of-10 hertz -- in this case, I'm sure that 1.5 Gbps means 1.5E9 bits per second. A 14.4 kbps modem transmitted 14,400 bits per second. A T-1 line transmits 1.54 Mbps, meaning 1,540,000 bits per second -- and note that framing and other overhead bits mean that you can't just divide by 8 to get bytes per second.

      You, like many modem vendors who labelled their products at X kbps, instead of X k, are just wrong.

      This is really funny, because you're "correcting" my correct terminology with incorrect terminology.

      You're confusing BAUD with BITS. A 56k modem is 56,000 BAUD.

      Nope. As a communications and networking geek who lived through much of this history and has spent a fair amount of time fiddling with modulation and coding algorithms, allow me to explain:

      Baud rate is a measurement of the number of symbols per second transmitted across a communication line. The earliest modems encoded only one bit per symbol, so for those modems baud rate and bit rate were identical. Even as early as 1200 and 2400 bps modems, however, this ceased to be true. 1200 bps (v.22 and v.22bis) was actually 600 baud with two bits per symbol. These modems were almost universally called "1200 baud" and "2400 baud", but they weren't. It was common during the time period those modems were widespread for geeks like me to correct those who said "2400 baud", but the corrections never really stuck, only the "baud is not bits" idea did, in the confused form you hold in your head.

      This continued with 4800 and 9600 bps (v.32) modems, which were actually 2400 baud with two or four bits per symbol, but people continued incorrectly calling them 4800 baud and 9600 baud. 56k modems were essentially 8000 baud, with 7 bits per symbol. Well, sort of. More precisely, they're 8000 8-bit samples per second, with one bit of each sample as a parity bit. The distinction between "symbol" and "sample" is subtle, but enough that you really can't define a baud rate at all for 56k modems.

      And yes, floppies were a cluster fuck. All of storage was, because they all wanted to advertise more space. 1 KB was 1024 bytes, and everyone knew it. But a MB was something new to a lot of people, so they thought they could get away with calling 1000 KB 1 MB.

      Also incorrect. The earliest hard disk storage was the IBM 305 RAMDAC, released in 1956. It held five million 8-bit characters (six data bits, one parity bit, one space bit) on 50 platters of 100,000 characters each. MB meant one million bytes, and the base 10 unit trend continued for a long time, even on floppies. For example, the first floppy ever was an 80 KB 8" disk (read-only), which had an actual capacity of 81,664 bytes (32 tracks, 8 sectors per track, 319 bytes per sector). Later floppies shifted to power-of-2 sector sizes (as did hard drives), but power-of-10 capacity measurements were already firmly established by then.

      Many of the early storage devices weren't actually specced in a number of bytes, anyway, they were specced to tracks, sectors, etc. which marketing goons confused/abused, take your pick.

      This is a complete red herring. All disk-based storage (even today) is necessarily fundamentally defined by platters, heads, tracks (or cylinders) and sectors, but to argue that it would have been somehow more useful or accurate to advertise those numbers is just ridiculous. Nobody other than people writing low-level disk manipulation tools cares about that, and nobody wants to have to multiply five numbers (platter count, head count, track count, sector count and sector size) just to figure out how much a disk will hold. "Marketing goons" would have to have been truly stupid to advertise such numbers.

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    33. Re:The Future by haruchai · · Score: 1

      You're wrong about inflammable and flammable. While inflammable is older, dating back to the late 16th century, flammable is almost 2 centuries old, well in advance of either Yoda, Slashdotters, or Fleshlights ( I hope I got the order of origination right for those last 3 ).

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    34. Re:The Future by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Modems were x baud/second, so the K or M meant 1000 or 1000000.
      If you talked about a modem in x bits/second, then you were supposed to use the binary 1024 or 1048576.

      You're committing the classic mistake of not knowing when or why to use 1024. You're just wrong.

      Nothing is a red herring. Engineers built early storage devices on tracks, cylinders, sectors, etc., and specced them out to have X tracks, Y sectors, etc., and said you could hold Z bits per sector.

      Marketing, and fools like you, intentionally/ignorantly said "Well I have a total of 8000 sectors, and each sector holds Z bits (and W data bits), so that's Z * 8000 bits, or Z*8 Kbits!". The error is failing to use the proper, binary-based scalar (1024 instead of 1000) when the term involves bits or bytes, binary data.

      It's the same mistake every time from people like you, and you will never get it. Either because you're stupid, or because you don't want to admit that you were wrong at one point in your life. There is no debating the "correctness" of it, or "when" you should use 1024 or 1000.
      If a terms units contain bits ("b") or bytes (B), or any other binary measure, shorthand notation of scalar multiples (K/k, M, G, etc.) MUST represent 1024, 1048576, etc. Even if you don't like the reasoning behind the rule, or you feel butthurt because you made a mistake one time, it's still correct. No amount of pointing to others who do it incorrectly (marketing people who sell hard drives) will make you correct.

    35. Re:The Future by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You're wrong about inflammable and flammable. While inflammable is older, dating back to the late 16th century, flammable is almost 2 centuries old, well in advance of either Yoda, Slashdotters, or Fleshlights ( I hope I got the order of origination right for those last 3 ).

      But, soft, for the common speech doth truly amend as the seasons turn. Else why wouldst it be that in uncounted years hence our distant progeny not speakest as ye and me?

      Yoda is from time long ago, in a galaxy far, far, away.
      Besides, it doesn't matter because the use of the word "like" is there for comparison - humans today can roar like dinosaurs even though they no longer exist. (We know how they sound because Jesus rode them around 200 years ago.)

      Yes, language changes, but some changes are good, some are neutral, and some are bad.

    36. Re:The Future by swillden · · Score: 1

      You're either stupid, or a troll. After my extensive explanation of the meaning of baud, and it's relationship with bit rate, and how the two applied to different generations of modems, you persist in your error. Same with the rest. I'm done.

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    37. Re:The Future by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Here's an example of long range: FM frequencies, which go hundreds of miles. How low is the frequency? in the 88-> 175 megahertz range. Lower ranges work better.
      Here's an example of short range: bluetooth, which can go up to 130 meters or so if I recall correctly. Bluetooth is in the gigahertz range.

      I think you are possibly conflating radiation/emission and frequency itself - while they have things in common, they are not the same.

      The "range" of the frequencies is theoretically infinite. It doesn't mean that you don't have significant attenuation after a extremely short amount of time/distance, which makes it basically impossible to get anything useful from the signal. Think of this like trying to connect to a wifi point at your house from 20 miles away. doesn't work, does it? The signal is theoretically infinite, and when it's an open area a wifi point is rated in miles instead of meters, why? because higher frequency doesn't penetrate solid objects well. and even higher frequency can't even penetrate gaseous objects well.

    38. Re:The Future by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Different frequencies are absorbed by the 'air' to different amounts - I do realize this. I also realize that ionization of the air changes this. This is why sky-wave propagation changes throughout the day/night cycle.

      I don't know the relationship between frequency and absorption though. I imagine there's a handy graph showing it at some normal density, humidity, and temperature, though?

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    39. Re:The Future by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You're either stupid, or a troll. After my extensive explanation of the meaning of baud, and it's relationship with bit rate, and how the two applied to different generations of modems, you persist in your error. Same with the rest. I'm done.

      All of your explanations are simply you being wrong and wrong and wrong.

      FACT 1: Kilobaud means 1000 baud.
      FACT 2: Kilobit means 1024 bits.
      FACT 3: A certain modem spits shit out such that 1 baud yields 8 bits.

      If the signal rate of this modem is 1 Kilobaud, what is its data rate?

      BY FACT 1:
      1 Kilobaud = 1 * 1000 baud = 1000 baud.

      BY FACT 3:
      1000 baud = 1000 * 8 bits = 8000 bits.

      BY FACT 2:
      8000 bits = 7.8125 Kilobits.

      I am sorry that you and others are always wrong and refuse to correct yourselves. Being wrong together doesn't make you right. It just makes you an ass.

  3. Doesnt matter by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Funny

    ISPs will still throttle your ass to 55 Mbps

    1. Re:Doesnt matter by ifrag · · Score: 1

      ISPs will still throttle your ass to 55 Mbps

      I'd be quite happy if I was only getting throttled down to 55 Mbps on downstream. For Comcast the 50 Mbps plan is almost the most extreme one you can get. Think I get throttled all the way down to something like 10/1.

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  4. Getting tired of this.... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We cured cancer! The cure will be out in a few years...
    We solved the energy crisis! It'll be out in a few years...
    And now this! They'll be out in a few years...
    You know what? While we're at it, lets say we'll have mind reading devices that make a mouse and keyboard obsolete in a few years too.

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    1. Re:Getting tired of this.... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting
      30 years ago we were still paying $1.50 per minute to make international calls and you weren't allowed to plug a modulator/demodulator (aka "modem") into your phone line. 10 years ago, email was considered a high-bandwidth application for cellphones. 5 years ago the idea of widespread video streaming over the Internet was commonly dismissed on slashdot as infeasible.

      To complain that network technology never really improves is the height of absurdity.

      Despite what the blurb says, this technology may finally be a good competitor for wired ethernet to the home. It's directional, so it doesn't have to be shared among a huge number of houses, and at $5/pop you can build a "disco-ball" covered with them to blanket an area. It won't penetrate walls well, but will penetrate adverse weather better than laser light.

      Short of replacing Comcast, at least we can finally have a wireless HDMI "cable" that is affordable, so I can hook any number of terminals to a computer without having to bunch them all together.

    2. Re:Getting tired of this.... by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      You could always do the research yourself, fund it, fund the prototype phase, ramp up the manufacturing facilities and then bribe the equipment manufacturers to immediately use your new hardware in their current product lines.

      That sounds do-able. Would you be happy with that kind of immediacy?

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    3. Re:Getting tired of this.... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

      I wasn't complaining it never improves, I was complaining that I'm tired of reading slashdot articles that post a time of release as "in a few years"

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    4. Re:Getting tired of this.... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

      I'm not asking for immediacy either, It's more skepticism. I'm constantly reading articles that say "Oh, we'll have it in a few years..."

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    5. Re:Getting tired of this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      We should be able to implement a filter that stops these kinds of posts within a few years.

    6. Re:Getting tired of this.... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I was complaining that I'm tired of reading slashdot articles that post a time of release as "in a few years"

      But I think people are mistaken for not seeing the link between these types of announcements, and the incremental increases in capability and reductions in price that we are accustomed to seeing in new products. It's so easy to just assume Moore's "Law" will continue to hold, likewise for hard drive density, networking, and other applications such as medical imaging, as if that just comes naturally for free, and as if all these advances in physics, material science, and manufacturing are just games people play off to the side that never amount to anything. It's not true.

    7. Re:Getting tired of this.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I like that idea. Put a little 'disco ball' (likely will look more like one of those little white-dome motion sensors) in the ceiling of rooms, and multicast the video signal out from them. Watch HDTV on any device capable of receiving the signal! If the bandwidth allows you can easily multicast different streams and such...

      And it can function as a 'hub' - allowing communication between the clients and up to the multicasters.

      At this wavelength it's better to picture this as light, given that it reflects/absorbs much more than traditional radio energy.

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    8. Re:Getting tired of this.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact we have a working physical prototype here, apparently. Most of these "in a few years" never reach that stage.

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    9. Re:Getting tired of this.... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Given the number of people I personally know that have had cancer and been cured, I think they are doing a pretty good job of curing it. Sure they have more to go, but it is absolutely AMAZING what has been accomplished and is available to the public.

  5. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "...it's more like a laser than a signal..."

    A laser is a signal

    1. Re:Seriously... by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Funny

      It isn't if you attach it to sharks. Then, instead, it's deadly.

    2. Re:Seriously... by treeves · · Score: 1

      No, a laser is a device for making a beam of coherent light.
      A 'signal', OTOH is not a good word to describe a broadly propagated EM radiation, as opposed to a narrowly propagated one.

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  6. Step into the Tear o' Hurts scanner citizen by Nadaka · · Score: 2

    Step into the Tear o' Hurts scanner citizen, if you choose not to you may instead choose to be violated by the TSA sanctioned probulation team currently on work release from a local for profit penitentiary.

  7. Run it by a RF EE next time by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Run it by a RF EE next time, or at least an advanced ham radio guy.

    using a chip and antenna that's just two centimeters long

    a stark comparison to current terahertz gear that's both large and expensive.

    with a submillimeter wavelength

    First of all its hard from a RF perspective to make stuff thats more than a 1/4 wavelength long. Obviously possible, but much harder. For example, I'm working on a K band transverter and one nightmare is standard SMA connectors resonate at 18 GHz or so, making them quite exciting to use. Yes I already know about the expensive and complicated and almost but not quite SMA compatible connectors I can use. Aside from connector and feedline issues, Its actually EASIER to make small stuff than large stuff at high frequencies / small wavelengths. Cable attenuation makes you put the whole RF works at the dish feedpoint above 50 GHz or so, if you want decent performance. The smaller it is, the lighter it is, more or less, making the mechanical engineering job simpler. Its not like 50 GHz amplifier dies are currently the size of dinner plates and will someday be the size of rice grains... they're already tiny. Ditto this chip. Also the silicon is cheap, the tools are expensive. A new ultrasonic wirebond machine must be worth, i donno, tens to hundreds of thousands of cheap MMIC dies? When you buy MMIC dies, its not like they're blowing lots of money on packaging... And thats before you hire the rare skilled labor to set up and operate and maintain the already expensive wire bonder. Wirebonding zero ohm resistors wouldn't really change the overall cost vs wirebonding some fancy dies because of the huge fixed and variable costs of the technology, so changing the die cost from ten dollars to ten cents isn't gonna help if the overall project cost due to R+D and manufacturing and test gear averages out to ten grand per active device...

    Secondly complete THZ systems are large and remain large and will probably always be "large". The internal chips are already small, and, frankly, relatively cheap. Antenna cannot be magically shrunk for same performance. Support gear like bias and main power regulators don't "know" they're powering microwave gear and should therefore be shrinking at a microwave pace. DSP processors don't "know" they're connected to a shrinking MMIC die and therefore they should be shrinking at a microwave pace. Support gear does shrink over time at the rate of normal support gear shrinkage, which isn't that fast. For example, not much has changed in the world of linear voltage regulators in the last 30 years... somewhat lower current references, MOS pass transistors instead of bipolar means lower voltage drop, um... thats about it?

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    1. Re:Run it by a RF EE next time by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Although the article claims to be talking about a silicon *transceiver* running at *300+GHz*, the graphics included in the article just have a planar horn antenna and a diode on an InP substrate all connected up to a SMA connector. A bit disappointing to be honest. No mention of whether they're using the diode as a detector or mixer (or both), but the pieces they are talking about appear to be a long ways away from an actual communication system.

      One of the big problems faced in reality will be getting enough power to overcome the high losses at THz frequencies, particularly if they are eschewing LNA's and PA's at the front end and using the diodes for up-/down-conversion. Given the simplicity of the front-end it will require a lot more complexity and high-power in the back-end circuitry which they make no mention of solving. And if they are using some high-harmonic mixing with that diode then they're probably not going to meet regulatory emission requirements using just the antenna structure to filter out radiation of the spurious mixing products.

    2. Re:Run it by a RF EE next time by Matheus · · Score: 1

      All that being said... if you would please just RTFS you'll get the following little tidbit: "using a chip and antenna that's just two centimeters long". Note the second half of that and-combo and your initial problem of "Antenna cannot be magically shrunk for same performance" seems to be what they've solved.

      IANAHFCD but I apparently can read...

    3. Re:Run it by a RF EE next time by vlm · · Score: 2

      LOL... at "sub millimeter wavelengths" 2 cm is practically a longwire or a beverage antenna... 20, 30, 40 wavelengths long. Whatever they're doing, its pretty directive, and its never going to shrink, a 30 wavelength long sub millimeter band antenna is always going to be around 2 cm or so.

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    4. Re:Run it by a RF EE next time by vlm · · Score: 1

      And if they are using some high-harmonic mixing with that diode then they're probably not going to meet regulatory emission requirements

      subharmonic mixing is probably an analogy for what you're talking about, and yeah its a struggle to make that work. If you play games with waveguide between the mixer diodes and the antenna, which is a pretty decent high pass filter, and use some stubs, you can get great attenuation of the LO signal, but good luck cleaning up the images unless your IF is like 10 gigs.

      Also like you said the power thing... subharmonic mixing is not known for efficiency, even with a crazy elaborate design covered with stub sections, still at least 10 dB loss.. Sensitive to drive level too.

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  8. What about saturation? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the wireless tech in the world doesn't seem to be able to stand up against saturation in the band.

    I say this, of course, as someone who lives in an apartment complex of 100's of units, all in close enough proximity that Wireless-N signals can be picked up pretty much anywhere in the complex from any users apartment. I had to forego wireless entirely and hard wire everything because every band was completely saturated with dozens of wireless networks. With the smart-switching shit that automatically looks for clean channels it's even worse; I've taken to illustrating the problem to friends at parties with the wifi scanner app on my phone, we all get a good laugh watching 10 networks bounce up and down the band constantly "Channel 1 is clean, quick, switch to channel 1! Shit, 9 other networks came with me...look, channel 3 is clean, quick, switch to channel 3! Fuck, they're following me! Channel 7 is clean, quick, switch to channel 7!!" all day long.

    The wireless band is becoming way over saturated. Now that we have cars with built in hotspots it's going to get even worse. We need some sort of fundamental shift in the way we do wireless networking, either that, or we need to greatly expand the band and the range between channels so that 30 devices can cohabitate the same frequency range without completely fucking up throughput.

    1. Re:What about saturation? by Arrepiadd · · Score: 2

      As it's mentioned in the summary, the Terahertz frequencies are very directional, unlike the typical GHz stuff of wireless networks. So, instead of broadcasting for all the neighborhood you are transmitting more on a point to point fashion. Saturation is almost irrelevant in this scenario (as long as the signal dies off within the solar system).

    2. Re:What about saturation? by __aailrp9629 · · Score: 2

      I know it's traditional to skip reading the article, but the summary points out that this will be a directional-only signal. Directional signals generally don't have saturation problems, because they propagate (to simplify) in cones rather than spheres.

    3. Re:What about saturation? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Great, when there's one transmitter focused at one receiver. What happens when there's 20 transmitters sending to 20 receivers all within close proximity to each other? Wifi worked just fine for me 5 years ago when there was only as handful of people using it in my complex, now that everyone has wifi the service has become so degraded it's practically unusable for anyone that is trying to do more than surf the internet (and even that is a chore, requiring many page reloads sometimes to get the full page to load). Trying to transfer files, forget it, you might as well .rar it into a hundred pieces and email it.

      The fact that we're making every damn thing wifi capable these days is only going to exacerbate the problem. Simply switching to a new band isn't going to solve the problem, it just creates a new saturation point. Similar to the IPv4 to IPv6 transition, we need to come up with a solution that allows for a much, much wider frequency range with dozens of new 'channels' to handle all the traffic, along with routers that can actually talk to each other and negotiate. Rather than having 15 routers all chasing each other up and down the spectrum all day, we need routers that say "Okay, router A, you can have channel 1, router B can have channel 2..." rather than "ZOMG CHANNEL 1 IS CLEAN EVERYBODY RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!"

    4. Re:What about saturation? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      I understand that, so what happens when there's 15 cones propagating right next to each other? You know, kinda like how traditional wifi has exploded to the point where every goddamn thing in the world is a hotspot now?

    5. Re:What about saturation? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      I agree. I had to recently run some ethernet cable around my apartment because I couldn't get a reliable enough connection. I have one neighbor who must have felt like they weren't getting a strong enough signal and must have bought some equipment to boost their signal because I could pick up their signal stronger than mine at any point in my place. Ever since then we've just gotten used to the fact that we can't step on the small bump in the carpet where I didn't have a better place to run the cable, but we haven't had connection issues.

    6. Re:What about saturation? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      It still doesn't solve the problem. It may currently help, but eventually it's going to have the same problems of saturation no matter how directional it is.

      Finding new bands to saturate is not going to help the problem. We need a much wider band with many more discrete channels and smarter routers that are able to cooperate among themselves and share the bands in the most effective, efficient ways possible. That in itself would go a long way towards solving these saturation problems and there would be plenty of space available for everyone.

    7. Re:What about saturation? by timeOday · · Score: 1
      These higher frequencies are not only directional, but they don't penetrate walls. So if you can settle for needing near-line-of-sight within your apartment, you can be guaranteed no interference from neighbors.

      However, there may also be better ways to manage shared bandwidth, as you stated. Frankly, one solution is to sell slices of the spectrum to companies to manage autocratically and efficiently as they see fit. If there's a way to make more devices get more throughput on a limited spectrum by cooperating with each other, companies like AT&T paying billions for spectrum are likely to find it.

    8. Re:What about saturation? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      So, basically, this is going to be good for all those situations where I could just hard line but don't feel like getting off my ass to do it? Yeah, that's helpful. Why hard line and get gigabit when I can go THz wireless and not?

      We're still going to need omnidirectional for all of our mobile devices, which are the real problem; there are too many fucking devices on the network. This doesn't alleviate that problem at all, so the benefit is what? It saves you from having to run an ethernet cable around your room, and all for the low price of degraded service? Awesome!

    9. Re:What about saturation? by __aailrp9629 · · Score: 1

      Traditional wifi uses omni-directional antennas that propagate in spheres (roughly). If you want to see a good example, turn on a few light bulbs, and notice how they all overlap in coverage. Fifteen light bulbs will have a *lot* of overlap, and you'll start stepping on each other. 2.4GHz wifi is particularly bad this way, due to neighboring channels overlapping.

      Directional antennas propagate in cones (roughly, again). A good example of this is a flashlight. You can turn on a whole lot of flashlights before you start seeing the same amount of overlapping. The downside is that it's hard to light up a room with a flashlight, so you have to start doing a lot of tricks to move a portable device around but maintain a connection.

      I can't really explain RF propagation with a car analogy, so you'll have to settle for flashlights and light bulbs.

    10. Re:What about saturation? by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Aha, so *that* will be the reason why autonomous meshing becomes the standard and standardised. Because manufacturers who want to keep up with the increasing demand for wireless gadgets will have no other choice. Adapt or perish.

    11. Re:What about saturation? by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      In large 3d buildings, having a solution that goes through walls is a Bad Idea (TM)

      A directional or a non-penetrating signal is ideal, especially if it is modulated in a way it is still useful after a bounce.

      So you wire a house with a wifi hotspot in each room, that either broadcasts on about 10 GHz with 2 mW, or modulates an LED.

      The LED has an advantage. You can see it. So you orient yourself so that your device can see it.

      The downside of this sort of thing is that it's not just a 'buy it at Best Buy and plug it in" but that it is infra structure that requires enough smarts to read a 30 page manual and make sense of it.

      It will never sell as a consumer item.

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  9. good news everyone! by nimbius · · Score: 1

    here in the future the 30Gbps wireless service is all seeing, all knowing, and spans across the city uninterrupted with a lemony fresh scent.

    Cancers however continue to elude us. We've taken to naming them after impressive sounding former presidents, or basing cartoon characters upon their loose interpretation. Incidentally, if you come across any historic manuscripts related to airport scanner safety, we would be quite interested.

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    1. Re:good news everyone! by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      This is still below the ionization threshold, and so will not cause cancer at any appreciable rate.

    2. Re:good news everyone! by Instine · · Score: 1

      "and so will not cause cancer at any appreciable rate."
      But might it detect it?...

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    3. Re:good news everyone! by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      The imaging depth for THz is shallow enough that it could only theoretically detect skin cancers. Whether or not that's even reasonable is outside my expertise, though.

    4. Re:good news everyone! by Instine · · Score: 1

      do you know what could penetrate deep enough? What is your expertise? I have an interest in the subject, but not much more.

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    5. Re:good news everyone! by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Well, a lot of lower-frequency radiation (sub-microwave) should, but they have long (> cm) wavelengths, and generally in imaging you have a hard time resolving anything less than the wavelength of the light you're using.

      I suppose the obvious answer is X-rays, since that's what they use, but that's ionizing. For a while people were working on visible-frequency imaging, but I don't really know how that turned out.

  10. do not look at shark with remaining eye by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    ...it's more like a laser than a signal...

    A laser is a signal

    Any sufficiently powerful laser is a signal that you want something destroyed, Mr Bond.

    Any insufficiently powerful laser can still make a amusing cat toy.

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  11. Re:YUO _FAIL IT by Frenzied+Apathy · · Score: 2

    Do NOT click the above link!!!!!!

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  12. Satellite Wireless Router by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    This could open up cheap land to space communication. This begs the question, "What is the cheapest way to send a home built satellite into a geosynchronous orbit"?

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    1. Re:Satellite Wireless Router by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

      This could open up cheap land to space communication.

      No... if you read the article you will see that these waves are affected by radiation. Last time I checked, space has a lot of radiation.

    2. Re:Satellite Wireless Router by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Check out AMSAT...these guys have been building amateur communication satellites for years. http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/index.php

    3. Re:Satellite Wireless Router by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      Look into Cubesats

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    4. Re:Satellite Wireless Router by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

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    5. Re:Satellite Wireless Router by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Great link. Thanks!

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  13. Hope you like rain fade by jandrese · · Score: 1

    The problem with high frequency wireless networking is that more and more stuff becomes opaque as you increase the frequency. For Terahertz networks you're pretty much going to require a clear line of sight between you and the receiver. The directionality thing will be a big problem too, I'm sure some of us can remember setting up IR networks a few years ago (when laptops still had IR ports on them). Unless you're talking about fixed installations, Line of Sight is a big hurdle to adoption.

    In short: there are serious problems with this gear that will limit its applicability. There is a market for fixed line of sight networks like this, emergency response situations where people set up temporary tents but need to communicate for instance. You stick a pole in the ground at each tent, tape an antenna on the top, and point them at one another. That's a pretty esoteric use case however. Generally if you have fixed installations, it makes sense to just dig a trench (or using the existing infrastructure!) to run a wired network instead, that way it won't go down in the rain or fog or when a bird tries to perch on your antenna pole.

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    1. Re:Hope you like rain fade by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I could see a LOS backbone connection working just fine.

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  14. Terahertz is not very practical by NixieBunny · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article is basically nonsense. I work with folks who actually make terahertz radio equipment for radio astronomy. It seems like the last place in the spectrum you'd go to for anything practical. The technology is very primitive, since there has been little application for it, since the signals are quickly absorbed by water vapor in the atmosphere. My coworkers are currently in Antarctica to do some astronomy, because there's very little water in the air there.

    A stable local oscillator that puts out any useful amount of terahertz power is very difficult to make. You are lucky to get a few microwatts. The signals aren't quite as directional as a laser, but they're too directional to be of much use for the wireless networking that we are familiar with.

    There are optical ways of making signals at terahertz frequencies, which may hold more promise, but they're being used in only a few exotic applications, such as the ALMA interferometer array in Chile.

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    1. Re:Terahertz is not very practical by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      "it seems" is based on the fact that optical development has progressed downward in frequency from optical through infrared, while radio work has progressed upward from the megahertz region to millimeter waves and higher. These two approaches meet in the terahertz region. Thus, it's the last frequency region to be utilized for communications. That makes it the final frontier, so to speak.

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    2. Re:Terahertz is not very practical by lurgyman · · Score: 1

      Plus when you get to solid things, just about anything solid (buildings, trees, you name it) will absorb or reflect too. So even if you find somewhere dry, it won't leave the room. That stuff is hard enough at 60 GHz, why make it even harder above 300 GHz?

  15. Blog of blog of blog of ... - finding real info by Animats · · Score: 1

    Three ad-heavy blogs deep, the best I'm able to find is a brief note in Electronics (AU) . It's not even clear if the device pictured is an emitter or a detector.

    Terahertz RF is essentially line of sight, and has roughly the propagation characteristics of light. This is not going to be useful for WiFi or cellular telephony. Imaging, though, may work. Here's a good paper on the subject. In the terahertz range, both RF and optical techniques are used; there are both antennas and lenses. The high end of the terahertz range overlaps the low end of infra-red.

    1. Re:Blog of blog of blog of ... - finding real info by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Definitely could be useful for line-of-site backbones, though. Years ago I worked for a guy and we set up some of proprietary 2.4ghz bridges for just that purpose.

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  16. Re:Thin, think, think.... by Shompol · · Score: 1

    300GHZ = 3*10^11 Hz
    Speed of light / 3*10^11 Hz = 1 mm wavelength, which should have no problem bypassing particles less than 0.5 mm in diameter.
    By comparison, visible light is 400-700 nm, that's 4/10000 mm, so fog and rain that limit our field of vision should pose little to no problems for a 300GHZ wave.

  17. Welcome To The World Of Tomorrow!!! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    I can see it now. XXX websites dedicated to upskirt full body scan pr0n.

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    1. Re:Welcome To The World Of Tomorrow!!! by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      posting to undo bad mod

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  18. Wireless by tesdalld · · Score: 1

    So when is the wifi going to melt the atmosphere? i would think this is going to heat up the atmosphere and make things worse... no?

  19. A non-issue with THz! by Vario · · Score: 1

    In short: THz penetrates your T-shirt (airport scanners) but not any thin drywall.

    Roughly speaking for electromagnetic waves the higher the frequency the more light-like the radiation becomes. THz is close to infrared light, it will not penetrate much but can be used to transmit a lot of data because you can modulate it with a much higher frequency than standard 2.4 GHz wireless LAN. This comes at a price though, if a person walks through the line-of-sight between your notebook and the hypothetical THz wireless access point the signal will be cut off immediately. So it is a nice idea to replace HDMI cables or similar connections but might not work so well as a WLAN replacement.

    There are also people working on modulating your LED lighting to transmit data without cables (OFDM Visible Light Wireless Communication Based on White LEDs) and this is a nice example that in the future we might use the whole available spectrum to transmit information and saturation will not be a big problem anymore.

  20. Re:Terahertz waves - can I see them? by Lennie · · Score: 1

    So basically wireless will eventually be like fibre ?

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  21. If these are both highly directional *and* cheap.. by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    Seems to me you could quite easily use them to connect houses in an urban setting. Since they're cheap you could use one device for every home and since they're highly directional you could turn them off and on depending upon whether the homeowner wants to be connected (or has paid the bill). Put 15 or 20 in a central location and one at each house. This eliminates all the complexities of getting individual fiber to the houses, too.

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  22. Wireless standard, 30gbps now hang on,..... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    As an IT nerd, I've used my fair share of 802.11g and 802.11n networks.
    802.11g I have never, ever seen more than 3.0MBytes/s sustained transfer rate about 24mbits.
    802.11n I've delt with mostly 300mbit equipment, the highest sustained and consistent speed I've seen is 10MBytes/s across a large transfer, the average I would say is 5 or 6 but I have seen a sustained 10 multiple times. NEVER faster, ever! That's 80mbits per second.

    On a 100mbit network, I've never seen a sustained speed of over 10 to 11MBytes/s, not the 12.5 it's theoretically capable of - so as nerds we all know about overhead. Wireless obviously is higher than wired.

    That being said, it seems to me that the speed quotes are often a load of cobblers. 30gbit/s I'd be surprised if in the real world you saw more than 2 or 300MB/ytes per second sustained (if the disk is even capable)!