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Europe's Largest IT Company To Ban Internal Email

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Thierry Breton, CEO of Atos, Europe's Largest IT Company, wants a 'zero email' policy to be in place in 18 months, arguing that only 10 per cent of the 200 electronic messages his employees receive per day on average turn out to be useful, and that staff spend between 5-20 hours handling emails every week. 'The email is no longer the appropriate (communication) tool,' says Breton. 'The deluge of information will be one of the most important problems a company will have to face (in the future). It is time to think differently.' Instead Breton wants staff at Atos to use chat-type collaborative services inspired by social networking sites like Facebook or Twitter as surveys show that the younger generation have already all but scrapped email, with only 11 per cent of 11 to 19 year-olds using it. For his part Breton hasn't sent a work email in three years. 'If people want to talk to me, they can come and visit me, call or send me a text message. Emails cannot replace the spoken word.'"

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  1. The idea is good, but email still has its place by Jack+Malmostoso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree that most emails are useless (starting from those which are sent just FYI, but are still distracting and interrupting the workflow).
    However, if there is one thing I learnt by working in a megacorporation, is that _everything_ has to be in writing at some point.
    So many times a colleague or supplier will say "sure, we'll do that no problem" and then weeks go by, without anyone remembering.
    For accountability, email is still the way to go.

    1. Re:The idea is good, but email still has its place by icebrain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Email is still king where I work.

      -It's asynchronous, so you can still get information to people who are away from their desks, out sick, working different hours, etc. Phone calls and the internal IM system are used for informal or urgent things, but email still gets sent as a followup for anything important.

      -It's handy for reference, since you can go back and look later.

      -It's a great CYA tool, so when your boss walks up and says "why the hell did you do it that way?!" you can respond with "because you told me to" and back that up with proof. You can also use it to show that you made repeated efforts to get information and were ignored.

      -It's a hell of a lot more professional than facebook.

      Of course, I work in a compliance-driven industry that is conservative by nature (aerospace).

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    2. Re:The idea is good, but email still has its place by JoeMerchant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that most emails are useless (starting from those which are sent just FYI, but are still distracting and interrupting the workflow).

      The beauty of e-mail is that the social contract of e-mail allows you to ignore it for longer than a real-time chat. If you want to hold an IM-like conversation in e-mail, most systems are fast enough to support that, but if you've got something you're in the middle of, e-mail doesn't demand instant attention the way a phonecall or chat session does.

    3. Re:The idea is good, but email still has its place by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that most emails are useless (starting from those which are sent just FYI, but are still distracting and interrupting the workflow).

      If emails are "distracting and interrupting the workflow" then you are doing it wrong. The problem isn't email, it's the way people deal with it.
      Get away from the mindset that you have to immediately read and deal with every email the instant it arrives and you'll get a lot more work done.

      surveys show that the younger generation have already all but scrapped email, with only 11 per cent of 11 to 19 year-olds using it.

      There's a good idea. Let's run our business like a bunch of 11 year-olds. Sorry, but the only people who have no use for email are people who have no job and nothing worthwhile to say or do (i.e., your typical 11-19 year old)

      For his part Breton hasn't sent a work email in three years. 'If people want to talk to me, they can come and visit me, call or send me a text message."

      Right. Nothing wrong with a crowd of people hanging around outside his office waiting to speak with him directly, rather than just send an email that he can read when he wants. And at the same time there's a few dozen people trying to call him on the phone. Sounds like a wonderful idea. I'm sure this will work out great.

    4. Re:The idea is good, but email still has its place by Inda · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I bet Breton's PA has sent emails on his behalf over teh past 3 years - I know my own director rarely clicks the send button himself.

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  2. Re:I've noticed this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And if - one day - there is a lawsuit about your work for the client, there is no proof what you did, what you told them or who authorized it...

    At least always send a later email describing what has happened in skype calls...

  3. Facebook and Twitter? by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Sir, people are using our communication tool for unproductive social activities."

    "Quickly, build an internal system which is modelled after even less productive, more overtly social software."

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  4. The problem isn't the medium. by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So people are receiving lots of emails, of which 90% are useless, and this guy decides the solution is to switch from emails to 'chat-type' services. So now you've got lots of chat messages, of which 90% are useless. Problem solved?

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    1. Re:The problem isn't the medium. by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not only that. Those people think their messages are important, or they wouldn't be sending them. They now have to find some other way to get the word out. And they WILL find a way, no matter how annoying or painful it is to others.

      They should be looking to fix the problem, not the symptoms.

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  5. Re:I've noticed this too by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

    ICQ? Wow, I think we just had a post arrive through a wormhole from the 1990s.

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  6. Useless people prefer to talk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it comes to useful communication, talking is usually one of the most inefficient and ineffective ways to get real work done. Whatever slight advantage might come from the realtime aspect of it is immediately lost several times over due to the lack of any history being retained. This makes it far more difficult to refer back to it later, to share it with others, and to search through large volumes of it.

    In most businesses, those people doing the real bulk of the work tend to prefer written communication. It's just a far more efficient way to work. In turn, those who prefer verbal communication are usually those who do the least real work. They're the ones who sit in meetings or phone calls all day "planning" or "discussing strategy" or otherwise not doing anything useful.

    1. Re:Useless people prefer to talk. by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When it comes to useful communication, talking is usually one of the most inefficient and ineffective ways to get real work done. Whatever slight advantage might come from the realtime aspect of it is immediately lost several times over due to the lack of any history being retained.

      Also because most real time talk is chit-chat, and not getting the exact point across. Because it's not about being exact, it's about being liked.
      I don't give a rodent's excretory orifice whether a vendor likes me or not. I care about the quotes he sends being well documented, and what promises he makes in writing. No, I will not call him even if he asks for the tenth time. I will send him an e-mail, and expect the same back.

  7. So... by Zaldarr · · Score: 5, Funny

    No more lolcats in my inbox? I has a sad.

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  8. Re:I've noticed this too by CmdrPony · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's still used a lot in some European countries and Russia. I'm not from US.

  9. Email haters by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work almost entirely in email. I hate talking on phones. I hate ringing people. I hate being called.

    The phone is so intrusive, it's like the person doing the calling has no care about what the person being called is doing, they think they are the most important thing ever and you should be sitting there just waiting for their call. Telephoning somebody, to me, is like walking up and interrupting the other party when they are in a conversation with somebody else.

    Email by contrast is fundamentally polite and efficient, you send the message and when it is convenient for the other end, they reply.

    The same problems that phones have also apply to other forms of "instant" messaging.

    Most people have no trouble working over email, the few who do I generally find either have some disability (dyslexia), or are just plain demanding and really do believe that they are the most important person and can't understand why you won't spend hour upon hour on the phone listening to their inane drivel (and woe betide you should bill them for it).

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  10. Re:I've noticed this too by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would have hoped by now that people would realize that tying your communications into a proprietary technology is an exceptionally bad medium to long term decision. At least email is an open standard. If we could get people using open chat protocols that would be fine, but locking ourselves into Facebook, Skype, and MSN is not likely going to end well. I would hope that it ends like AOL did, but people seem to have forgotten about the disadvantages of proprietary walled gardens.

  11. Re:I've noticed this too by gaspyy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reasons I prefer email for business are:
    - it forces people to organize ideas somewhat instead of babbling around.
    - it leaves a trail. There's no argument that someone requested X instead of Y for product Z.
    - it can be forwarded, shared and printed.

    I have clients that insist on using Skype. They spend 30-40 minutes discussing stuff that could be summarized in an one-paragraph email. During all the talk I have to keep notes, then organize the items discussed and make a doc that I send back to the client asking if they're sure this is what they wanted and then share it with my team. Overall I don't save time.

    I can't speak for anybody else, but for ME email is still the preferred business communication tool.

  12. using words hard speaking more easy by mschaffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is so sad. It's a symptom of a much greater problem: We are reaping the latest crop that was sown by modern education.
    The little Johnys and Janes are barely literate. Composing even the simplest prose (to answer an email or any other written communication) just takes too long for the average person entering the workforce today.

  13. Re:I've noticed this too by Gonoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several potential suppliers have lost my business by not doing email. I work in IT and they try to get me to use a fax???

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  14. Our entire company just moved to Google Wave by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the next big communication medium. Everything on one page. So easy to use.

     

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  15. Re:I've noticed this too by bfwebster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, this cuts both ways. As someone who has acted as an expert witness in a number of lawsuits, I usually want to see the time-sorted e-mail record where relevant, particularly if there are software developers or engineers involved (since they tend to be more, ah, blunt in their statements). I've seen large cases end up settling unfavorably for one side because of a dozen or so internal e-mails that its personnel had written (one I recall said something to the effect of "Why are we charging our client [a large specific sum of money] and delivering them garbage?").

    But I fully agree with you as well: document, document, document, whether by e-mail, memo, or letter. If your firm (particularly if you're a software developer/vendor) has never been involved in a lawsuit, there is a tendency to tell yourself, "We'll make this work out; we want to keep the customer happy; we're all grown-ups here," and so rely on verbal assurances or concessions. Then when a lawsuit happens, you have no documentation -- just he-said/she-said testimony -- as to why (and how) the scope changed or the project went over-schedule/over-budget or why certain IP was used or shared or when certain key inventions were developed. ..bruce..

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  16. The problem is not the medium... by drdaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is the culture. The fact that there is a poor signal to noise ratio in employee communications is unlikely to be remedied by simply swapping medium... The garbage will just come through the new channel. The situation will only improve if people begin thinking about what is necessary to communicate, rather than spamming every thought that comes into their mind.

    Of course, banning *all* forms of electronic, textual communication might help this... but it doesn't seem (from the summary at least) that this is what's being suggested.

  17. Re:I've noticed this too by PrimalChrome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many 'legal organizations' do you work with, exactly? We have about 600 clients, many in the legal/financial markets. Most have retention policies requiring years of emails to be kept. I believe law requires some financial institutions to archive email for a number of years as well.

    "Why do they do this crazy thing?" asks the five minute attention span twitter generation of teens and twixties that have never held a full time job with any more responsibility than making sure that a coffee had extra cream. They do this to cover their asses. One email, a SINGLE email, can make the difference between a multi million dollar lawsuit or a lost account that pays your salary.

  18. Re:I've noticed this too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can forgive ICQ.... but Trillian?

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  19. Re:I've noticed this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is probably because of regulatory/legal issues. In many jurisdictions a FAXED document with signatures is a legal document, an EMAILED document with the same signatures (PDF) is NOT a legal document.

  20. Re:I've noticed this too by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Both of which can be trivially faked, but then lots of legal matters hinge on something as ridiculously arbitrary as a signature - a random mark on a piece of paper which is even easier to fake.

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  21. Re:I've noticed this too by leonardluen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's really important, someone will call....

    damn i hate that! why the heck are you calling me? send me an email or IM! that is self documenting, and i can review it as often as i want to make sure i understood what you wrote, and can file it away in my TODO list so i don't forget.. With a call as soon as you hang up i can't go back and replay it. If someone calls me and asks me to do something the first thing i always ask is for them to send me an email or IM with the request.

    Also with phone they expect an immediate response, and so i have to interrupt what i am working on to respond to them. and all too often if they leave a voicemail it is just "please call me back" with no detail of what they had wanted and so now i have more wasted time calling them back and half the time they aren't there so i have to leave a voicemail "i called you back, but you weren't there, what was it you wanted?". this would all have been solved by a simple email to begin with!

  22. Re:using words hard speaking more easy by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have no kids of my own, but I have nephews. The oldest is in college at a good quality state university. I had a conversation with him not terribly long ago and it went something like this:
    Me: I saw you wrote "prolly" on Facebook. You do know that that is not a real word, right?
    Him: What do you mean?
    Me: "Prolly" is text message speak. The real word is "probably".
    Him: (look of puzzlement and confusion)
    Me: I'm not joking. You've never heard of "probably"?
    Him: I've only seen "prolly".

    When you graduate from an American high school and you are a reasonably intelligent person (he's got a B average at college) and you think "prolly" is a real word and you don't know what "probably" is, the educational system may just be broke beyond fixing.