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How Photoshopped Is That Picture?

Freddybear writes "Digital forensics experts at Dartmouth have developed software that can analyze digital photos to rate how drastically they have been altered by digital editing techniques. 'The Dartmouth research, said Seth Matlins, a former talent agent and marketing executive, could be "hugely important" as a tool for objectively measuring the degree to which photos have been altered.'"

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  1. It Can Tell by the Pixels by ohnocitizen · · Score: 5, Funny

    It also uses advanced neural-network powered learning algorithms to allow it to also leverage "having seen a a great many shops".

    1. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its it's
      Your your're
      Canon Cannon

      You are all just ficking idiots if you don't even no that

    2. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

      This looks GIMPED. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few GIMPS in my time.

    3. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by DeadboltX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next you'll be telling me that I don't Google things on Bing?

    4. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by kelemvor4 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The whole term is dumb. You don't photoshop something in GIMP, for instance... just like you don't xerox on a Cannon.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xerox

      noun 2. ( sometimes lowercase ) a copy made on a xerographic copying machine.
      verb (used with object), verb (used without object) 3. ( sometimes lowercase ) to print or reproduce by xerography.

      See also: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/photoshop — vb , -shops , -shopping , -shopped ( tr ) to alter (a digital photograph or other image), using an image editing application, especially Adobe Photoshop
      Notice it says especially, not exclusively.


      My point is that you most certainly do photoshop something in G.I.M.P..

    5. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by durrr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is gimp not technically a digital photo shop?
      Is xerography not possible on canon hardware?
      Is this not trivial nitpicking over semantics?

    6. Re:It Can Tell by the Pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I Photoshop with GIMP all the time. I Xerox with an HP scanner. I use a non-IBM PC, as well, and I Google using a couple of search engines. My Band-Aids aren't. My Aspirin isn't made by Bayer. My Chap-Stick is made by Blistex, not Chap-Stick. The Crock-Pot and Saran Wrap in my kitchen aren't branded as such, either.

      Names fall into common use. Words get new definitions. New words are made all the time (ask Shakespeare about that!). Get over it.

  2. reliably? by drdanny_orig · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder.... will it be fooled if images are converted to/from lossy formats a few times.....

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    1. Re:reliably? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or just provide better feedback to photo editing programs to create better pictures.

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    2. Re:reliably? by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, conversion is one method of detecting photoshop changes. It's called Image Error Level Analysis.

      http://errorlevelanalysis.com/

      The gist is that every time you save an e.g. JPEG, the quality will get worse. However, the worsening of quality decreases each time it is saved, eventually asymptotically approaching the worst level. Therefore, if you're working on a photoshopped picture, each time you save it the quality of the various parts of the photo will decrease by different amounts. This can be used to identify which pieces of the photo have been modified more recently than others, since they will have a different error level than the pieces that were modified first.

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  3. Too bad this requires a "before" picture by wisebabo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it did the analysis using just the "after" image (maybe by looking statistically at ithe ndividual pixel level, I dunno I'm not an image expert) that software would be SO useful for Internet dating sites! ;)

    Actually I'm wondering if images CAN be analyzed using statistical data from the individual pixel data to determine things like what camera was used to take the picture, maybe what software was used to edit/convert it (using gamma curves?). Then you could see (maybe) who was posting pictures of themselves from long ago (not like I've ever done that!).

  4. I'd like to run that over by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My copy of The Commissar Vanishes. Of course, the author presents original photos of Stalin with Large group, smaller group, all by his lonesome at one point and you can examine the technique used for filling in background. Also, photos where someone was added (Comrade is now in favor, include with Stalin at glorious parade!)

    As for Photoshop Disasters, there's a website and the checkout aisle for that sort of mental exercise.

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  5. /. being sued in 3, 2, 1... by c0l0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... because THAT story title quite obviously is not in compliance with Adobe's Permissions and trademark guidelines!

    Next time, better talk about images being "GIMPed". Just to be safe and all that ;)

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  6. Re:Revert? by Hentes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to uncrop a picture.

  7. Having a little experience here by squidflakes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By no means would I consider myself a professional re-touch artist, but I am familiar with the techniques and have produced a few works that were high enough quality for advertising and magazines.

    I gotta say, the amount of work that goes in to even the meanest image is staggering. An acquaintance of mine does interior photography for commercial real estate and multi-unit dwellings (apartments, condos, etc.) and while his photography is top notch to begin with, his re-touching is on another plane all together.

    He was excited when Photoshop got an upgrade in CS5 to handle more layers because he was routinely bumping up against the limit in CS4. Usually, his work flow consisted of him selecting and making a separate layer for every surface that had a different texture or zone of light, then manually adjusting the levels to bring the brightness and contrast to where he wanted. While tedious and mind-numbing, the over all effect is beautiful true High Dynamic Range images.

    1. Re:Having a little experience here by squidflakes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Counterpoint: The property owners aren't the market for these images, their potential tenants and customers are the market.

      For example, when you're viewing images of hotel rooms on-line:

      http://www.fourseasons.com/

      Even the image on the landing page has been retouched. If you were taking a picture down an outside corridor like that, you would either blow-out the highlights and have a dark grey blob where the tree is, or you would under-expose the shadows and not see the corridor at all. That image is a composite of at least two images taken with different f-stops and probably different shutter speeds.

      http://www.fourseasons.com/accommodations/

      See that room? See the Hong Kong sky-line? Notice how the exposure on both the room and the outside are perfect? Notice how the exposure on everything in that room is perfect? Even with good lighting equipment you can't get that sort of perfection with a single exposure. Go look at any other hotel site and notice their pictures too. That takes time and expertise.

      The point of all of this? Marketing and advertising. Even paying someone like I've mentioned a couple of thousand for some really excellent images is worth it when you're selling million dollar condos or multi-million dollar office spaces. If you can close on a property even 10% faster due to a really well done image, that's 10% more time you have to find and move other properties. Time==Money and people are swayed by advertising images all of the time.

      When was the last time you ordered food because it looked damn good on the menu?
      When was the last time you listed after a car, or gun, or other piece of hardware because it looked so god damn cool?
      When was the last time a picture of someone in a magazine or ad got your blood pumping and hormones raging?

      Advertising.

    2. Re:Having a little experience here by squidflakes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most DSLRs have "HDR" capabilities. I know that on Nikon it is called bracketing and you can take three or four images with up to a 2 EV increase or decrease on on either side. That still only gives the image out of your camera 10 - 12 EV of range, which bumps right up against what most monitors are capable of displaying.

  8. Re:Revert? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not likely. When you airbrush, you're destroying the original data. That's why you can detect the change; it no longer has the same fringing around areas of contrast, the noise levels don't quite match, the gradients don't look exactly the same, the reflections of lighting are subtly off, etc. There's nothing to restore because the original information is gone. The best you could do is highlight the areas that were altered. Maybe, if you were lucky, you might be able to approximately reverse a virtual tummy tuck by showing where the moved portions probably were originally, then leaving a gap where content was elided, but that's kind of the exception rather than the rule.

    What would be more entertaining would be if someone took this algorithm, then rewrote it (or wrote a parallel successive approximation algorithm to feed into it) so that it generates photos that, although heavily doctored, pass this test. Put another way, this sort of methodology is only effective if the details are kept secret....

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  9. Oh noes: the anti-victoria's secret law! by TheMeuge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean they're promoting a law that would make Victoria's Secret disclose the endless belly-fold-tucking and (B to D) breast enlargements they love so much? As a doc, looking at those anatomically-impossible bodies it makes me sad, because they change our perception of what should be seen as attractive to a standard that is literally impossible to meet. And at times even I have caught my own perceptions as being skewed, despite knowing full well how it happened.

    1. Re:Oh noes: the anti-victoria's secret law! by Pope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why amateur porn is the best.

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    2. Re:Oh noes: the anti-victoria's secret law! by wdef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's truth in this except for your use of "hype real" which is incorrect. Nevertheless to echo a post I made somewhere else: Read the statistics, beauty is not purely socially determined. It's not in the eye of the beholder. It's a near absolute. There are small variations and individual preferences, yes. What happened is this: before mass media and transport, the most beautiful girl most of us ever saw all our life was that one in our village or the next village. Probably 1% of the population. We never saw anyone more attractive than those one or two beautiful girls. Economics was much more important than looks in choosing a partner back then anyway. Nowadays, the media selects thousands of beauties (men and women) who are in the top 0.01% of beauty rankings and puts them on a pedestal. That has exposed us all to extremely attractive people as if they were all around us and we crave it. Given the obesity epidemic in Western countries, if I could only train myself to go crazy for fat women with huge, wobbly, grotesque butts, I would be living in heaven.

  10. I got disappointed in the fairer sex... by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Funny

    I must admit I grew up in an environment where I was not that exposed to media, be it TV or magazines.

    But once a magazine came my way, my thoughts wondered as to what the beauties in the magazines ate! They looked so beautiful...with no "flaws", (for lack of a better word).

    In adulthood, I left my community for the big city, hoping to get a good job and to also see the "beauties" on the streets. I must say I was, and still continue to be disappointed. In the decades I have been in the big city, I have not met a single beauty once! Never!

    The ones I see on TV and in the magazines are all "fake!" Needless to say, I returned to my old small town, found a real woman and have never regretted it. I have also asked her to show me one beauty if she comes across one if we're together. It's never happened.

    Sadly, the practice of photoshopping is damaging our daughters' and sons' self esteem, with eating disorders that have only gotten worse. Sad, sad indeed.

    1. Re:I got disappointed in the fairer sex... by GuB-42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I already exists, it is called "alcohol".

  11. Celebrity culture... by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's certainly interesting, but also pointless. I mean, if you don't know that anything out of Hollywood is heavily retouched then you're embarrassingly naive. And even before photos are loaded up in Photoshop the celebrity has already been loaded up with a pound of makeup, sat under carefully positioned lights and been photographed by a professional. That's why those sexiest people lists are so stupid. Almost anyone subjected to that amount of effort will look great.

    It's like those stupid articles where some celebrities fitness "secrets" are revealed. I'll tell you what their secrets entail: enjoy an immense amount of leisure time, make it your job to look good and pay a fitness trainer six figures to accomplish that.

    American society is more influenced by the entertainment industry than any other culture on Earth.

    1. Re:Celebrity culture... by hankwang · · Score: 4, Informative

      And even before photos are loaded up in Photoshop the celebrity has already been loaded up with a pound of makeup, sat under carefully positioned lights and been photographed by a professional.

      Indeed. Dove Evolution video clip

  12. Re:Revert? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet the people on CSI can uncrop a picture. ;)

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  13. Re:Revert? by grumbel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You actually can uncrop some images, as some image formats/applications save a thumbnail in the metadata and that thumbnail might not be updated properly if the image gets edited, leaving a low-res original in place. Other images formats like JPEG allow you to uncrop up to 7 pixel around the image, as the format only supports width/height that is a multiple of 8, thus the crop to the final image size happens at the decoding stage and data might be left over (depends however on the encoder).

  14. Pros don't shoot JPEG by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While interesting, it will not be of much use with professional photographs.

    I'm a pro photographer and used to program in Assembly, C and Forth. The way I hide the "life experience" of older women is to use specialized lighting. Small point lights create sharp shadows in skin folds, causing the subject to look extremely old. Very large lights might leave no shadows at all because the light wraps all sides of the skin fold. To achieve this, I use a 7 foot diameter Octobox - a light modifier that creates a huge soft light source. I also use a lens that focuses red light on a different plane than green and blue. The net effect is to soften skin, as blemishes will not be in sharp focus. The camera does not record JPEG, but saves raw sensor data that is later converted into a picture using Photoshop or Lightroom.

    Thus as far as software can tell, the JPEG photo produced is the original. There are no re-compression artifacts. In fact, until the RAW sensor data was "de-mosaiced" in Photoshop, one could argue that the picture did not exist as such. And most of the smoothing of the image takes place in the analog world, before a digital file is produced.

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  15. I wonder how it deals with in-camera processing by yeremein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently got a tiny point-and-shoot camera, a Canon ELPH 300 HS, and I've been participating in CHDK's effort to hack it. When we got RAW support working, I learned the camera's lens actually has severe barrel distortion that gets "corrected" in software before saving a JPEG.

    Images are "shopped" before they even emerge from the camera these days.

  16. Re:Revert? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    Creating a Photoshop job that will fool even a sophisticated human eye is easy. Creating one that will fool an algorithm is very, very hard. The modification detection algorithms I remember hearing about start by taking a series of test images with the specific camera that was used to take the picture. In order to beat them, among other things, you'd need to:

    • ...mathematically compute the probability of noise for each subpixel and adjust your noise so that the distance of each pixel from the mean of nearby pixels in areas of low contrast is close enough to what would be expected for that particular spot on that particular CCD at a particular physical temperature, and so that the noise level is consistent with the expected noise for a single physical temperature value across the entire image.

      Alternatively, if a particular camera gets hot spots on parts of the chip when shooting lots of pictures in a row, the noise level might need to be a very complex gradient with the hot spots in particular places on the chip.

    • ...know where every dead subpixel is on that camera so that you can mathematically compute the correct color channel value for each dead subpixel based on its neighbors in the same way that the camera does.
    • ...read the EXIF data to determine which pixels the camera mapped out because of dust, if that particular camera does that, and compute their values programmatically in a similar fashion.
    • ...precisely reproduce the chromatic aberrations of the lens at every point in the image.
    • ...precisely reproduce the subtle variations in tint at every high contrast edge caused by the relative positions of the subpixels at that particular point on the CCD.

    And so on. It's not a case of artistic training. It's a case of spending months modeling a single camera in MatLab. Not a single model. A single camera.

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