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RIM PlayBook Tablet Jailbroken

Trailrunner7 writes "A group of researchers is claiming that they've found a root exploit that enables them to jailbreak the BlackBerry PlayBook tablet made by Research In Motion. In a video demonstration of the jailbreak, one of the researchers shows off the ability to change the settings on a PlayBook and says that he also has the ability to install the Android Market app on the tablet."

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  1. Investigate or Promote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the Android Market app the PlayBook achieves new relevance.

  2. weren't playbooks android apps converted.. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    ..with a converter?
    or is it just a wrapper? or just some totally unnecessary shit rim added to the hoopla loop to have master keys on which store you get your apps from?
    wtf?

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    1. Re:weren't playbooks android apps converted.. by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Yup. Color me confused but I didn't think the PlayBook was running Android. It could, with the use of a wrapper, run some Android apps, but that was about it.

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  3. Heartbreaking by jebaneer34 · · Score: 0

    I know this goes against the trend ... but I've been cheering RIM on, very much looking forward to the new OS arriving in smartphone format. All these years, the original OS was never rooted ... and IMHO this pulls out from under RIM its core benefit. Is there a way they can recover from this?

    1. Re:Heartbreaking by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The original OS has been rooted, at last year's pwn2own contest for instance...

      There is incentive to root Android, iOS and the new Blackberry OS since it's QNX based, because once rooted you can install unofficial apps and all these systems are unix based so there is plenty of unofficial code you could install...
      The older blackberry os is completely proprietary, even if you rooted it you'd have nothing to install on it.. Also the average blackberry users are corporates, not the kind of geeks who would want to root their phones.

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    2. Re:Heartbreaking by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Except that on PlayBook and Android, you can also install unofficial apps without rooting. Nothing to see here.

    3. Re:Heartbreaking by taylortbb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The thing about the PlayBook though is that it's already open enough you don't really need the root. What is this "unofficial code"? RIM already has a publicly available C/C++ Native SDK, they've even ported several open source apps and libraries themselves and made them available on Github. The PlayBook has also permitted sideloading since day one, so it's not even like you need RIM approval.

    4. Re:Heartbreaking by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      You have always been able to install unofficial apps on Android. The incentive to root your phone (not sure about tablets) is with alot of handset makers, they are painfully slow to provide updates for ROM's phones if they provide them at all.

      HTC is a big culprit: their Gingerbread update took forever and only the Desire/Z/HD & Incredible got the upgrade at all.

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    5. Re:Heartbreaking by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      The older blackberry os is completely proprietary, even if you rooted it you'd have nothing to install on it..

      WTF? Since when is J2ME proprietary?
      AFAIK RIM has never dictated what apps can or cannot be installed. They do however make that power available to BES administrators. One of the biggest mistakes RIM made IMO was their lack of vision creating an "app store". Until I discovered Handango.com around 2004/2005 whenever I needed a particular type of app I would post to a forum and hope someone else knew of an app that would do what I needed.

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    6. Re:Heartbreaking by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Giving even less incentive to root the device...
      There are some things on Android you can't do without root, but for most users the ability to install unofficial apps is all that's required.

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  4. What a shame by neko+the+frog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the PlayBook will have a native email client :(

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  5. Almost worth it... by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Best Buy is trying to dump these for $199.

    Only about $99 too high for me. Sorry, almost worth it, but I'm not springing $200 for what is a short-lived product. The hardware will not be supported much beyond warranty, I fear.

    Still, RIM is on track to convert to Android. So long as their mail client is better on Androidt than it is on iOS, they have a chance. Even Google is stumbling out of the iOS gate. There is still time for RIM to maintain some relevance.

    And privacy isn't much of a problem for RIM any more. They are no more or less secure than Facebook, and their corporate clients are losing any hope of being safe from the prying eyes of sovreign states. Welcome to the party, security is an illusion.

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    1. Re:Almost worth it... by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well what isn't a short lived product?

      and they can maintain relevance.. by.. eh.. becoming eudora?

      they could maintain relevance if they had some solid hardware building knowhow in house, if they weren't just another batch of bozos who orders shit from odm's.

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    2. Re:Almost worth it... by Lucky75 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Wtf, why is this modded insigntful? QNX is a far superior OS to Android or iOS.

      Still, RIM is on track to convert to Android.

      Source? Seriously, people that say this crap don't know what they're talking about.

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    3. Re:Almost worth it... by taylortbb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RIM has been quite clear they're not abandoning the PlayBook, and have stated so officially on multiple occasions. Already there are starting to be rumours about a PlayBook 2. The OS on the PlayBook will power their next generation of phones, so they've got strong incentive to keep software development going. Despite all the bad press RIM remains quite profitable, making many hundreds of millions per year and selling over 40 million devices per year. They're not going to go bankrupt any time soon, and short of their bankruptcy the PlayBook won't be abandoned.

    4. Re:Almost worth it... by narcc · · Score: 0, Troll

      Best Buy is trying to dump these for $199.

      Only about $99 too high for me.

      Not for everyone else -- they're sold-out almost everywhere.

      Still, RIM is on track to convert to Android.

      In what twisted world? RIM has the most advanced, capable, and secure mobile OS around! Switching to Android would be taking a massive step backward.

      And privacy isn't much of a problem for RIM any more. They are no more or less secure than Facebook

      When it comes to mobile security, RIM is still #1 -- oh, and no other player even comes close. To compare the historically masterful security of RIM to the joke that is Facebook is like saying Fort Knox security is on-par with a hide-a-key rock.

      their corporate clients are losing any hope of being safe from the prying eyes of sovreign states.

      Oh, FFS, this nonsense again? As always, if you're running BES you're secure. No Government can spy on you. RIM can't give away the keys because they don't have them.

      I know that it's fun for you to bash RIM. However, security and their new OS are two of RIM's massive strengths (they've been leading the competition here for years). You should try picking on them for actual weaknesses, you might have more success.

    5. Re:Almost worth it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wtf, why is this modded insigntful? QNX is a far superior OS to Android or iOS.

      [Citation needed]

    6. Re:Almost worth it... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Informative

      Best Buy is trying to dump these for $199.

      Only about $99 too high for me. Sorry, almost worth it, but I'm not springing $200 for what is a short-lived product. The hardware will not be supported much beyond warranty, I fear.

      Actually RIM announced in their earnings call this past September that they would be running these discounts in order to move inventory; and recently there has been talk from RIM about a next generation of PB tablets.

      Your statement (I can't call it reasoning, because there is no reasoning present) makes no sense considering that they're moving their entire future platform to "BBX" as they call it and have a major new platform release scheduled for February, specifically for the tablet.

      And privacy isn't much of a problem for RIM any more. They are no more or less secure than Facebook, and their corporate clients are losing any hope of being safe from the prying eyes of sovreign states. Welcome to the party, security is an illusion.

      You're referring to the fact that the enterprise BES data is encrpyted, and RIM literally can't give anyone access because RIM does not own the user's private keys?

      Still, RIM is on track to convert to Android. So long as their mail client is better on Androidt than it is on iOS, they have a chance. Even Google is stumbling out of the iOS gate. There is still time for RIM to maintain some relevance.

      [citation required] See above comment about missing reasoning - why would RIM convert to Android? Any new Android player is doomed to minimal market share at best, at this point -- there are already too many on the market, and they're sure to be whittled down in the coming years.

    7. Re:Almost worth it... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      It seems that RIM has found the sweet spot in pricing. WIll they price the next PB there? If not, I would expect another sale.

      Of course, RIM gives up 'non-entierprise' data (so far as we know) when governments demand it. BES is the target of many nations, and RIM may find itself forced to either give it up via some back door added in, or disclaim the data and let themselves be forced out of those nations - though I suspect a comprmise will be reached.

      On the Android front, RIM is apparently developing tools to manage other platforms. I expect BES services to be delivered on those platforms in time, sooner rather than later, and BBX (is that it?) may become a bit player. Even a small share of the phone market is good money, and RIM may yet compete.

      And any 'new Android player' isn't at all doomed to minimal share. RIM knows how to design devices people like to use. They do need to learn how to build those devices with the performance in demand now, and they may yet. But there are indeed a lot of players in the phone manufacturing business now. Room still.

      There's a lot of denying the concept that RIM will bail on the PB and move on to a new tablet. I'm surprised so many people actually can't accept this. If the PB was a business device, they would probably support it longer, but as a consumer product it's going to last as long as they think their customers will expect it to. 2 years? No, more likely until the next generation of hardware entirely obsoletes it. A year tops, and probably less. When spares get scarce or more expensive to produce, game over. I'm wondering how many G1s HTC gets in for repair nowadays. It's been, what, a little over three years for that phone. Bet ya a small cup of coffee they didn't fix many at all this year. That's not to say there aren't a lot out there still, I have two and both work fine. But they aren't all that useful any more, since they are just so limited. PBs will survive an upgrade in software for a while but we are a year from OS versions that demand quad-core phones and 2GB or more base RAM, with display processors well past what's common now.

      The market is on a fast cycle. Not much survives a whole year in the market - iPhones mostly, a 'special case'. My Sensation 4G I got in April, I think, and it's due to be replaced though HTC hasn't shown anything new to TMO so far as we can tell. Samsung is chewing through models pretty well.

      And RIM is held to task for being slow to bring new models out. Churn, baby.

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    8. Re:Almost worth it... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      It seems that RIM has found the sweet spot in pricing. WIll they price the next PB there? If not, I would expect another sale.

      They did - if they'd priced it in the 200-300 range to start, it would have fared much better.

      Of course, RIM gives up 'non-entierprise' data (so far as we know) when governments demand it [mobileburn.com].

      Of course they do - as does every other carrier out there - a fact that nobody sees fit to mention when they point out how RIM shares non-enterprise data. It's the cost of doing business in a country.

      BES is the target of many nations, and RIM may find itself forced to either give it up via some back door added in, or disclaim the data and let themselves be forced out of those nations - though I suspect a comprmise will be reached.

      Speculation and more speculation. So far, they haven't been forced to do so - and governments have been trying for years. There's no evidence to suggest that this will be changing.

      On the Android front, RIM is apparently developing tools to manage other platforms. I expect BES services to be delivered on those platforms in time, sooner rather than later, and BBX (is that it?) may become a bit player. Even a small share of the phone market is good money, and RIM may yet compete.

      I agree. I do not expect to see RIM in the number one spot again any time soon... but certainly a strong grip on number 3 and edging into number two is well within their grasp over the next 4-5 years (that long because of carrier contract cycles).

      And any 'new Android player' isn't at all doomed to minimal share. RIM knows how to design devices people like to use. They do need to learn how to build those devices with the performance in demand now, and they may yet. But there are indeed a lot of players in the phone manufacturing business now. Room still.

      Sure, but part of what people like to use is the BB usability of the OS. Say what you will about the legacy BB OS -- it's usable in a way that I haven't seen Android (I have two android devices) or iPhone match. In spite of the fact that it's missing some competitive features and (until recently) has been rather slow, this remains true. I hope this isn't something they lose int he transition to the new platform.

      There's a lot of denying the concep.... snip speculation ...

      We can go back and forth here all day. What I *know* is that they have a new OS release coming for the tablet; and in spite of its "age" it's got the most fluid and lag-free UI out there so for the folks who aren't obsessing over specs, it'll continue to work just fine. And what I don't know - but have heard from RIM soures - is that they're looking into a next generation of tablets, possibly in different sizes.

      The market is on a fast cycle. Not much survives a whole year in the market - iPhones mostly, a 'special case'. My Sensation 4G I got in April, I think, and it's due to be replaced though HTC hasn't shown anything new to TMO so far as we can tell. Samsung is chewing through models pretty well.

      The media has you thinking the market is on a fast cycle, and the flood Android devices helps to give the same impression. In fact, it moves on a 2-3 year cycle (contracts), plus the constant influx of folks getting smartphones for the first time. Many of us (including me for a while) make the mistake of thinking that because we're always looking out for a better/newer device, that everyone is. Actually looking into this and doing a bit of researching has shown that it's just not true. Enthusiasts and early adopters (which do drive later purchases from non-enthusiasts) are the only ones who do that.

    9. Re:Almost worth it... by Prune · · Score: 1

      Citation not needed--QNX has been running high-reliability embedded systems from medical devices to military equipment for ages. Would you feel safe if your cancer-treating gamma knife was running Android? It also works well as a desktop operating system, and I've run it on my desktop a few years ago (with the most responsive graphical interface I've ever used). Smartphones and tablets fall somewhere between embedded systems and desktops, and given that QNX covers the full range well, there's every reason to believe it can be made into a great mobile OS--as long as RIM doesn't fuck it up.

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  6. Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Analogy - A correspondence or partial similarity.

    Keyword: partial.
    Partial! Do not forget that.

  7. Does this mean by MeatoBurrito · · Score: 2

    I can check my email without it connected to my blackberry?

    1. Re:Does this mean by Lucky75 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go to www.gmail.com on your playbook/torch browser. Difficult, I know.

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    2. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You miss the point. It's not difficult.

      It's just ridiculously bozo-the-clown-shoes stupid

    3. Re:Does this mean by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, go to www.gmail.com on your playbook/torch browser. Difficult, I know.

      Yeah push email and automatic notifications are so overrated.

      I guess next you will suggest that I let all of my phone calls go to voicemail and call and check to see if I have any messages every so often,,,,,

    4. Re:Does this mean by narcc · · Score: 1

      Well, if you want *real* push email, you'll already have a Blackberry, so ... what exactly is your point again?

    5. Re:Does this mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the point is that this stupid fucking tablet is supposed to be a blackberry and it doesn't read fucking emails. how much is RIM paying you to defend them with your idiotic logic?

    6. Re:Does this mean by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      How is push email any less real with ActiveSync running on a tablet?

    7. Re:Does this mean by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      It does, if you sync it with your blackberry (phone). I was just refuting the point that you cannot check your emails on it, not that it was an ideal situation.

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  8. Not running Android by mrops · · Score: 4, Informative

    playbook is NOT running android. Its running openjdk based JVM. The android apps have to be packaged with RIMs packaging tools so the JVM on playbook can fire the app. The jdk holds playbook's implementation of android classes. as an e.g. opengl calls on the playbook jvm translate to lower level graphics call that are relevant to playbook.

    1. Re:Not running Android by acoustix · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's running QNX. I don't believe the Playbook is running Java.

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    2. Re:Not running Android by segin · · Score: 2

      "See! My laptop that I play Minecraft on runs Windows, not Java!"

    3. Re:Not running Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burn!

    4. Re:Not running Android by acoustix · · Score: 2

      I stand by my comment. BlackBerry phones run JVM. The Playbook does not. The applications are based on Adobe Air.

      As of right now the Playbook does not run JVM.....you retard.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_PlayBook

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    5. Re:Not running Android by acoustix · · Score: 1

      JVM is not loaded on BB Playbook 1.x. My comment is correct.

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    6. Re:Not running Android by narcc · · Score: 1

      Congratulations?

    7. Re:Not running Android by mrops · · Score: 1

      Go read the "Future Android and Java application support" section. The future they are talking about is Android player which will use Java. They run a full JVM on their QNX OS.

  9. Not 'rooted' by Linegod · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember this is QNX. This is a privilege escalation above the default 'devuser'. I still see nothing that indicates that the bootloader or anything of importance was 'rooted' in the same sense as an Android 'root' or and iPhone 'jailbreak'.

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  10. Ehm... not quite by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Informative

    IF you have the physical device, and IF you have developer access to it, and IF you explicitly sideload this... then some additional access has been obtained to the OS.

    Unlike the iPhone/Android "jailbreak" concept, this lets you muck about in the OS but doesn't give any way to overwrite the bootloader.

    It's an interesting proof of concept, and certainly something RIM should be looking into ... but it also isn't the fatal flaw in RIM security that much of the popular tech press is reporting.

    1. Re:Ehm... not quite by Tacvek · · Score: 2

      That is not unlike a Rooted Motorola Droid 2, which gives you true root access, but the bootloader (and kernel) remain locked and unchangeable. The Andorid community stills considers that rooted, although it is limited compared to most other devices.

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  11. necessary because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's necessary to jailbreak YOUR OWN HARDWARE because so many people bought hardware that you have to jailbreak before you can be said to own it.

    Stop buying your own cages, and it won't be necessary to fight for the right to control your own hardware.

    Captcha: jailing

  12. Corporate security? by captaindomon · · Score: 1

    Isn't the market edge for RIM devices that they are ultra-secure and don't have issues like this? How is this going to effect the market share for security-conscious corporations?

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    1. Re:Corporate security? by narcc · · Score: 0

      See thePowerOfGrayskull's comment above:

      IF you have the physical device, and IF you have developer access to it, and IF you explicitly sideload this... then some additional access has been obtained to the OS.

      Unlike the iPhone/Android "jailbreak" concept, this lets you muck about in the OS but doesn't give any way to overwrite the bootloader.

      It's an interesting proof of concept, and certainly something RIM should be looking into ... but it also isn't the fatal flaw in RIM security that much of the popular tech press is reporting.

      It's not a major issue, and RIM will undoubtedly fix it (they usually catch this sort of thing and patch it long before it's discovered).

  13. Mod parent up... by Dogbertius · · Score: 1

    Every time "RIM" and "security" is in a news article, we get an overly pessimistic and misinformed sensationalist article about how their security is completely broken, when it's little more than a minor nuisance at best. Every time Apple boasts improved security, it gets praise despite being cracked like clockwork 18 hours after release.

    1. Re:Mod parent up... by Prune · · Score: 1

      And with recent articles we see Android security is even worse than iOS. QNX is definitely the way to go, but now it's up to RIM not to fuck it up and that, unfortunately, is not a given.

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  14. Researcher or Hacker by mattie_p · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The researcher, known as Neuralic" (from TFA). Where I come from, researchers are scientists, and have real names. Pretty confident that Neuralic is not on his birth certificate. Not that they may not deserve the name researcher, but c'mon. George Hotz calls himself a hacker, and he's a little more famous then Neuralic. And he uses his real name.

  15. not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    given that there are a number of privescs against the last public qnx it's hardly a surpise...

    http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-4060

  16. What are the physical difference by rsborg · · Score: 0

    ...between a RIM playbook and the Amazon Kindle Fire?

    Everyone talked about similarities, but are they identical?

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    1. Re:What are the physical difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cameras?

    2. Re:What are the physical difference by taylortbb · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Kindle Fire has half the RAM, half the storage of the PB base model, no cameras, no Bluetooth, single band WiFi, slower CPU/GPU, and lower quality (less accurate) touch screen. There may be other changes too, wouldn't be surprised if it was a lower quality LCD panel, the PB's is amazing and with that expensive.

    3. Re:What are the physical difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They look similar, that's it. The Playbook is much higher quality hardware with two cameras, gyro, gps and bluetooth.

    4. Re:What are the physical difference by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      Anybody that thinks the Playbook and Kindle Fire are similar must also believe that there are no differences between a Corolla and a Porche 911.

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  17. Why bother? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 0

    This would be like jailbreaking a 1979 calculator wristwatch so that it could do gradians. This company is sliding into the same hole as Novel, Nortel, and Sun.
    The only way I could see a jailbreak useful would be if they were able to wipe out all the BB crud and make the device useful. The only problem with that would be what is the command line that makes your screen physically bigger?

    RIM devices are in so many technical ways better than most other devices yet due to the company being way out of touch with what their customers really want they have lost the point. Most people that I know who have a BB are corporate types so they didn't benefit from this $100 coupon for the recent mega outage. Also most BB people that I know forgo many device upgrades because they are used to the old and the new offers nothing they want. Again due to their company covering the bill it is not a financial issue. I seriously doubt there are 1% of iPhone users who would forgo a free upgrade.

  18. RIM doomed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can somebody comment on RIM's future or the appeal of BBs?

    1. Re:RIM doomed? by narcc · · Score: 2

      Sure. RIM's future does look bright -- they've made some fantastic acquisitions over the past few years, Torch Mobile, QNX, DataViz, The Astonishing Tribe (TaT) just to name a few.

      As for the appeal of their devices, the PlayBook (while slammed in the media) is a really great tablet in terms of hardware and the software get's better with each release. The UI is undeniably next-gen (they're well ahead of the game here).

      Their phones are rock-solid. They have best-in-class security. They have one of the best web browsers on the market (until iOS5, they had the best HTML5 support.) Their messaging software from email to BBM is, again, best-in-class (refined over more than 10 years to make text communication as simple seamless and fast as possible). Oh, the battery life is fantastic. While the 9900 got low-marks in the battery department, that's only if you compare it to older blackberries :) iOS and Android users who have made the switch find the battery life to be astonishing.

      Really, the only thing wrong with their phones is that they're a bit boring. Using a Blackberry isn't an event like other platforms. I see the famous blinking light, type a response, and I'm back on-task. I don't need to engage with it like other phones. The myriad of shortcuts and UI designed for productivity make doing just about any task completely effortless.

      For the technophiles, BBX (QNX for Blackberry) represents the future of mobile computing. It is, undeniably, the most advanced and capable mobile OS in the world. From stability to capability, QNX is simply unmatched. Developers will love the TaT designed Cascades UI Framework, which lets developers do some pretty amazing things, almost effortlessly.

      What's not to love?

    2. Re:RIM doomed? by Prune · · Score: 1

      I love my Torch 9810 and the control BES gives me, but even I admit the trend has been towards worsening battery life with each new generation.

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  19. Now it might actually be worth buying by xmorg · · Score: 0

    But then i would be afraid rim would "fix" the exploit...ahhh. consumer confidence...

  20. Cool, but by doston · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately he still has a RIM Playbook

  21. RIM should kneel down and praise this hacker by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Jailbreaking the Playbook may have just saved RIM from extinction.

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