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UK Recruiting Codebreakers Via Social Networks

Demerara writes in with a story about a unique codebreaking competition sponsored by the UK government. "UK intelligence agency GCHQ has launched a code-cracking competition to help attract new talent. The organization has invited potential applicants to solve a visual code posted at an unbranded standalone website. The challenge has also been 'seeded' to social media sites, blogs and forums. A spokesman said the campaign aimed to raise the profile of GCHQ to an audience that would otherwise be difficult to reach. 'The target audience for this particular campaign is one that may not typically be attracted to traditional advertising methods and may be unaware that GCHQ is recruiting for these kinds of roles,' the spokesman said."

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  1. Break it - but don't take the job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    that'll piss 'em right off!

    1. Re:Break it - but don't take the job by hairyfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even better... crack it then publish the answer so that a bunch of kiddies can apply and screw up the recruitment process. That is a hack all on its own :)

    2. Re:Break it - but don't take the job by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Informative

      so you did it?

      You seem to be assuming that people would want to work at GCHQ? I grew up next door to the place, and as someone who was training to be a programmer, GCHQ was that added bit of motivation to do well at university. It was always a case of "work hard, get a good degree, otherwise you'll have to apply to GCHQ.....". I certainly never got the impression it was an inspiring place to work.....

    3. Re:Break it - but don't take the job by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

      It doesn't take top talent to break a code - that's maths, and that's why we have calculators.

      The talent comes in thinking out of the box. When you think out of the box, you think to yourself, has this been done before or can anything that has already been done be used to arrive at an answer?

      Application of a relevant tool (Google) can and often does reveal precisely the answer one is looking for, complete with working proof. See? I didn't even have to TOUCH my Hex editor.

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  2. I've broken it! by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's "passw0rd"

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    1. Re:I've broken it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.canyoucrackit.co.uk
      and show ommitted results....
      They google indexed it..

  3. There's a reason they're recruiting them... by Bottles · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a reason they're recruiting them. And it's perfectly innocent. Honestly. http://earth101.net/?wc

    1. Re:There's a reason they're recruiting them... by c0lo · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a reason they're recruiting them. And it's perfectly innocent. Honestly. http://earth101.net/?wc

      Actually, no, we don't kill them... we offer them a govt salary (25k)... they'll commit suicide.

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  4. Oh the irony by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 2

    Oh the irony - if you're really serious about espionage work, and you've got a Facebook account, then just forget it. There's already too much information about you out there for you to be of any real value.

    1. Re:Oh the irony by ledow · · Score: 2

      Never heard of misinformation? And it would also show just what the candidate is capable of (i.e. keeping up one identity which is false, which may be useful to someone intercepting communications).

      And if foreign governments can NAME our cryptographers, I'd be more worried about that in itself, rather than anything else they could find out about them.

    2. Re:Oh the irony by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      And if you have a "correctly set up" Facebook account, the mail will go to the wrong person.

      Oh, the ironing.

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  5. Re:Can I download it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Slight spoilers:

    Yes, it is x86 machine code. However, if you key in the hex values and look/step through the code in a debugger you'll see that it is missing an important part.

    Hint: You are not supposed to figure out this part on your own (you can probably figure out 7 of the missing bytes, but you will not be able to guess the rest). You can however find the remaining part on the canyoucrackit website if you are clever...

  6. Re:Can I download it? by Nursie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh is that all it is?
    I'd got as far as pulling apart the code into sections, and found the other bit....

    Not exactly tricky then. 'File' will tell you what it is, and the other bit's not hard with another two simple unix commands.

  7. Re:Can I download it? by c0lo · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can however find the remaining part on the canyoucrackit website if you are clever...

    additionally, if you are smart, you'll probably choose to find yourself a better job/salary in the industry instead of picking a govt position during time of austerity.

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  8. Image only by revelation60 · · Score: 2

    Why on earth would they post that code as an image...

    1. Re:Image only by ajack · · Score: 2

      Part of the job requirement is clearly monotonous transcription. I'm in!

  9. solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pr0t3ct!on#cyber_security@12*12.2011+

  10. Re:Simple, use the hacker's favourite tool... by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bad news for GCHQ, I have no desire to work for the Government. I don't care what the renumeration package is.

    Not even if they offer free full IPv6 renumbering for life?

  11. Had a job interview at GCHQ... by Bazzargh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    20 odd years ago...I had been doing the usual round of physics graduate interviews, GCHQ's was a little different. After getting the security pass to get in and being escorted to the interview room, they told me that I wouldn't be able to ask any questions about the job (except pay). Or rather, that I could ask if I liked, but they weren't going to answer. Weird.

    The point I guess, is that GCHQ don't recruit clandestinely like spooks, even if the interview process is odd. They're part of the civil service, they advertise in the paper, and recruit graduates in the milk round.

    1. Re:Had a job interview at GCHQ... by ledow · · Score: 5, Informative

      They've been advertising on plain Facebook ads for months, if not years.

      Strange that highly qualified computing/maths graduates don't want to snoop on foreign governments (and their own people) when their potential employers are publishing news stories that they can't even intercept Skype calls, are offering zero information on exactly what you're expected to do and how much you'll be paid for it (which is pretty pitiful when they do tell you), etc.

      I'm a maths & computing graduate, with a love and special interest for cryptography. I've seen dozens of adverts by both GCHQ and even MI5 for similar positions in papers, online and everywhere you'd normally advertise jobs over the years. They're obviously desperate for recruits (and seeing the dross that passes for university degrees these days, I'm not shocked).

      But they don't give you even basic information and the only time GCHQ hits the news is when they want more and more control over your communications despite being less and less relevant since public-key encryption started to become the norm (ironically killed, pretty much, by their own invention).

      I think it would be against my principles to actually WORK for them, even if I admire their historical efforts, support the cause to save Bletchley Park, think Turing deserves a little more recognition and respect for his work etc. Nowadays, I just get the impression that GCHQ want to blanket-snoop on my own people for no reason, catch the low-hanging fruit of people too stupid to use encryption (despite the fact that there's not a single recorded instance of someone "breaking" PKE encryption and using the results in a court case, even for terrorism where we've had to let people go or imprison them because we *THINK* they might have something incriminating in the encrypted data), and/or "justify" their existence / funding by creating the occasional terrorist scare story.

      I don't think the bulk of the brains want to work for them because of what they've creeped into, it's as simple as that.

  12. Re:no, they aren't by robthebloke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You are talking about the wrong department. This is G.C.H.Q. we are talking about, not Mi5 / Mi6. They are effectively nothing more than the poorly paid secretary to Mi5. Good programming graduates would go on to have interesting and fulfilling career in the software industry. Those that fail to do that, become teachers. Those that fail to do that, go to G.C.H.Q......

  13. Why people are leaving / recruiting is hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had my first graduate job there, and I was pretty much exactly what they're looking for. Started programming at a young age, maths degree from a top university, CS masters from the same place. I interned there, got a great appraisal and was offered a job. I started working there and I became disenchanted fairly swiftly. Cheltenham is an incredibly boring place to be 23 - the average age at GCHQ is probably mid thirties and most people had families and were settled. We went for after work drinks twice in my year there. Having said that, my job was fascinating. Extremely difficult, but fascinating. However, everything else was awful. Pay was ok - 25k for a grad starter isn't bad (although my university peers were generally on more), but it became clear very quickly that my pay rises were non existent. If I wanted to stay technical, then I might get to around 40k when I was 40. And that's might with a capital M. It's not really enough to comfortably raise a family and own a home.

    When I told my boss I was resigning, he told me that he was resigning too because otherwise he was going to have to sell his house to cover his debts. He wasn't living an extravagant life - granted he had three young children though. His wife was working 3 jobs, and they were stressed. The only people happy at GCHQ are those who have chosen not to have kids, and often have their spouse working there too.

    I left for a tech startup in London, and after 4 months here I'll be on 50% more than I was at GCHQ, and they'll continue paying me what I'm worth.

    2 other guys left my team (around 10 people who were doing some of the most hard-core deep technical work in computing there) in the neighbouring months when I left. GCHQ cannot recruit and retain good people whilst the pay is so low - which is exactly what was said in the ISC report: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/14/gchq_microsoft_google/

  14. You're wrong by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny
    Once you get past the deliberately downbeat entrance and get to the management suite, it's all naked Russian whores, Jacuzzis, champagne fountains, all-you-can-eat Michelin starred restaurants, and cash machines that don't need a card, they just pay out on the secret budget.

    Of course, once you take the job and sign the Official Secrets Act, it's forty years of standing in freezing bus shelters waiting to make contact with a pissed-off FSB clerk in her 50s in the hope of finding out where Putin's going on holiday next month. Unless you went to Eton and Oxford, in which case it's back to the management suite for the rest of your career.

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  15. Social engineers & Googlers are wanted too by evilandi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > I simply went through Google ... bad news for GCHQ

    You seem to think they are recruiting solely for codebreakers.

    They may be recruiting for analysts - people who search for information. Let's say you have an agent in the field, whose cover story is being questioned by the enemy. You want an analyst to tell the agent how to correctly answer the enemy's questions so that the agent's cover is maintained.

    It's quite possible that many of the "correct" answers published are actually incorrect misinformation. A good analyst would use his skills to weigh up which of the supposedly "correct" answers was the most reliable.

    Sometimes the problem at the doughnut is not obtaining the data, but sifting through the massive amount of data to find the information you actually need.

    Like any person living near Cheltenham, I have several friends who work there, and whilst it's entirely possible they're all secret maths geniuses, I doubt it. Codebreaking isn't the be-all and end-all of GCHQ's work, they have to sift and analyse the intel after they've got it.

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  16. Re:Can I download it? by xaxa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe, though figures tend to indicate these days that the UK public sector is paid roughly equally to the private sector, and still (even with proposed changes) gives access to far better pensions.

    One of the reasons I have no sympathy with those going on strike.

    I went on strike, and I certainly get paid less than in the private sector. I like contributing to the country (science research), but there's a limit.

    With the current offer I'll essentially lose about £1000 pa (increased pension contributions), and that's after 24 months of flat pay.

    The problem is private pensions are shit, and we shouldn't have a race to the bottom. We should improve private pensions.