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TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It?

PolygamousRanchKid sends this quote from a contentious article at CNN that questions the need for further development of TVs and the entire TV-viewing experience. "The technology industry is absolutely bent on reinventing television. ... But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway? The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience, to make it as efficient and elegant as possible, requiring the fewest number of steps to complete a particular task while offering the greatest number of amazing new features. But normal people don't think about TV that way. TV is passive. The last thing we want to do is work at it. ... As long as there's something on — anything — that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random." So, what do you think is broken about TV right now? Is there a point at which it'd be better for us to stand back and say "We've done what we can with this. Let's work on something else"?

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  1. TV ain't broken? by mholve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you SEEN what's on TV?

    1. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently they don't care

      As long as there's something on â" anything â" that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random

      That was acceptable when there was no other option, and when you were just wanting to relax for a while. There are much better alternatives now though. Even if those alternatives also involve just passively watching media, why should you settle just for something "reasonably engaging" - probably punctuated by ads every 10-15 minutes - when you have streaming options available? Even before I overcame my strange desire to build a collection of media, I much preferred simply buying everything outright than putting up with adverts. These days I'm happy with streaming and rentals.

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    2. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      From a technical standpoint, TV has been fine for decades....

    3. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My response to the question as well. The problem with TV is not technology.

      What is broken about TV is content. Direct TV is amazing! There are now 1000 channels, with nothing on. The technology improved this from 50, a mere decade ago.

      I don't wan' a "History" channel that gives a platform to observe crackers welding hotrods, or a chance to watch "Like Water for Elephants" at 7.99 USD.

      I am afraid to even ask about the listing: "Dave's Old Porn".

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    4. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's actually starting to improve..

      There are some honest to god sitcoms popping up. Still not worth getting my cable back yet, but it at least looks like the reality TV thing is starting to fade.

    5. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I too tend to prefer buying a series and watching it straight through (I don't care about the advertisements, more the lack of waiting a week between each chunk), I also fondly remember the "sit back and casually watch whatever is on" thing.

      Discovery channel, comedy central, and TLC (back when it was about learning and not decorating houses..) were great for this style of consumption.

    6. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TV is different from streaming in that content is pushed to you rather than pulled by you. Although I like the empowerment of pulling all my content pulling means that I mostly pull the content that is in my comfort zone and that I am already somewhat familiar with. Movies with actors I've enjoyed in the past or even that i've already seen and really enjoyed. The amount of exposure to new actors and new content is limited. For instance I will pull the latest season of dexter because I enjoy the show but I wouldn't be likely to pull the big bang theory because I've never seen it.

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

    7. Re:TV ain't broken? by s1d3track3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. You know the saying there are 500+ channels and nothing is on.

      For me TV is broken because I should be able to watch anything I want when I want.

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time (it would also be nice to have a 'you may also enjoy', or 'related' to learn about things I may not be familiar with in the genre [or, perish the thought, new programs in development])

      TV should be at my control 'for my entertainment', not treat me as a passive audience for what ever is programmed at whatever time.

      (Yes, I realize this is probably not a realistic expectation. I am also aware of the wide array of recording devices, Tivo, etc as well as Movie streaming devices. (Roku, etc) I also realize that the blocker in my vision is more about licensing then technology, still, this is how I would like 'TV' to work)

    8. Re:TV ain't broken? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, 90% of everything is crap and always has been. That doesn't mean everything on TV sucks. There are a lot of great shows in that 10%. Unfortunately, they tend to get cancelled while shows like Keeping Up With the Kardashians get renewed. But 90% of people's tastes apparently suck too. Every time I get depressed about it, some great new show comes along to renew my faith.

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    9. Re:TV ain't broken? by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

    10. Re:TV ain't broken? by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should see the look of shock I get when I tell people I do not have TV service. I have netflix, I have video games, I have a few other online content resources, but TV....not much worth paying for.

      I'd much rather wait for it to get to netflix, watch without commercials and see it on my own time, at my own pace. You want to fix TV? Let me buy what I want, when I want and watch it how I want.

    11. Re:TV ain't broken? by michrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to watch TLC pretty frequently. Now it's all programming about decorating things (houses, people, etc), pimping out your toddlers, and irresponsible child birth (both in having absurdly large families, and those that *somehow* "don't know" they're pregnant, etc)... Used to watch Planet Green until it started running reruns from other Discovery channels. I do watch a lot of Discovery Science, though I don't hold out much hope that Discovery Networks won't fuck that one up also. :(

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    12. Re:TV ain't broken? by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is fundamentally what's wrong with TV. The subscription model.

      I dont want 1000 channels of random cram, repeated every 4 hours. You're going to get repeat crap when there's 1000 channels to fill.

      I want about 25 channels of stuff that *I* want to watch. And I want to be able to actually chose those channels. And add or subtract channels I'm (not) interested in. I don't ever want to see a hunting/cooking/househunting show. But I do want to to watch hockey games/history/movies. You can't, the subscription model says you have to have both.

      If the price is $1.99/channel/month, I'd get what I want for about the same price without having to surf the channel guide regularly.

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    13. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Advertising is one of the big things that is currently broken about TV. There's too much of "ads as content" as well as changing rules regarding how much of normal content can be mired in ads. This has led to a dichotomy between "prime time" content and reruns and the butchery of older works.

      Want to vomit? Try watching old "twilight zone" reruns. The original 1/2 hour episodes were about 25 minutes in the old days. Recent hack jobs have that scarcely over 15 minutes now. With automatic hands free Mythtv commercial skipping, I can watch 4 "half hour" episodes in a bit more than an hour.

      So much is edited out that some episodes don't make sense anymore. Entire scenes gone. Sometimes they chop out to an ad in the middle of dialog.

      The original 25 minute episodes are still available via DVD and of course torrents. I'm pretty close to switching to that instead of watching the sad "broadcasts".

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    14. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're over-complicating the content.

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      Almost the only things worth watching come from sources other than the networks. And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      If it weren't for some of the productions you can buy on DVD and Bluray... and some streaming... I don't think I'd even own a TV today. But some of the movies make it all worth it for me.

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

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    15. Re:TV ain't broken? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time

      This neatly answers the question of what's wrong with TV: It doesn't fit into people's schedules. If you're not available when the TV company is broadcasting then you're out of luck.

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent. But if the MAFIAA gets their way then pretty soon you'll have the outside world disconnected and/or be sent to prison for doing that.

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    16. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mista2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop the stupid new format on discovery shows:
      Credits, 10 minutes telling you what's combing up in the show.
      Ad break
      Quick recap, some content, then a few more clips of things to come
      Ad break
      Recap of the previous segment, a little new content, and again the same 10 second teaser clip
      Adbreak
      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh shit, I go so bored I switched it off, so I don't know what comes next.

  2. What Indeed by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What is so broken about TV? It isnt giving tv manufacturers ample reason to charge onbcene ammounts for a new tv.

    Now a 3-d tv, thats a good reason to spend 2k on right?

    Right?

  3. Tied to a time and place by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

    I want to be able to watch my favorite shows when I remember I want to watch them, not a time set by someone else. I also don't always want to watch them from home.

    Take away Tivo, Slingbox, etc and these things are not possible.

  4. advertising by Quirkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing broken about TV is the massive proportion of it dedicated to advertising instead of actual content.

    1. Re:advertising by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The advertising IS the actual content. What's in between is just there to keep you watching between ads.

  5. Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take a crack at this.

    It's expensive as hell.
    The cost exaggerates how much crap there is to sift through to find anything worth watching.
    Often the "worth watching" query comes back empty.
    The STB's are universally awful.
    Even if you DVR and FFwd, the commercials are an annoyance.

    I'm sure there's more... but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

    1. Re:Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, and the part that really gets me... to go from 1 show worth watching to 2 shows worth watching, you'll need to up your package with another 30 awful channels for an additional $20 in MRC.

      And want to watch on another TV? That'll be another $5-10 a month.

      Oh and don't pick a movie from the on demand, you'll have to mortgage the house and you'll only have access for the next 24-48 hours.

  6. Commercials. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Commercials, among other things. Because everything has to be dumbed down to gain mass market appeal and advertising dollars, there is a real lack of quality programming. But hopefully we may see the internet change all that, once all the DMCA type shenanigans come to an end, and people figure out that you can still charge for content even if people steal it.

  7. Simple... by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many fake reality shows. Way too many. Less Jersey Shore, Lady Hoggers, and the like, and it will be just fine.

  8. More control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is passive, they cannot measure the degree of effectiveness of their mass control initiatives, resulting in more time and money spent to repeat the message enough to guarantee assimilation. They want ways of getting feedback.

  9. simple - lack of control / options by forgottenusername · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should I pay for a bunch of channels and service I don't want?

    If they offered modular, on demand service I wouldn't have to monkey around with xbmc, encoding etc.

    Services like on-demand streaming of movies/tv where you pay exactly what you want are the future. The cable company can't let go of their monolithic 'screw you cuz we can & always have' thinking. Eventually they will go the way of the labels as far as monopoly via audio CD's - technology will evolve past them (already is/has) and they'll just be left waving their wizened fists angrily, struggling for relevance and trying to screw people over with control of cable internet.

  10. Re:It's broken for me by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you haven't turned the TV on in five years, how can you know the shows aren't worth watching? Or are you just rambling the way old people always do "things were so much better before"...

  11. What's broken? by AdamJS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing.

    THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
    How's a TV manufacturer supposed to get more money if people aren't buying new TVs/their current doesn't have planned obsolescence?
    Then there's that pesky "internet" that's killing the cable cash cow.

  12. The only thing broken is almost everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The model itself.

    Originally it was said it'd be subsidized by ads. Try running a stopwatch during primetime...at least ten years ago you could get nearly 45% or more advertising in movies, and 30% plus in 30 minute specials.

    In theory--cable would cover this cost. Except instead you just get more channels with the same unsolicited bulk broadcast.

    To go away from that, you need...oh... pay per view. Costs as much as renting the fucking thing, plus delivery.

    Or you can get HBO or cinemax which at a minimum of about 15 a month is near worthless assuming you want to watch a movie once a week, but are only a 1 in 4 chance of enjoying any given movie.

    So you get to pay about $100 a month or more in order to have irrelevant ads slung at you. And then you have that nice awkward experience of sitting down to watch something with your parents when a 'little blue pill' commercial comes on. Or a public service announcement. Or somebody asking for my money to feed children so they can take their 80% administrative fee.

    Let's try to sum up the problems with TV:
        - too much advertisement
        - not enough relevant content
        - cable top boxes making it hard to space shift in my home
        - artificial difficulty in time and space shifting
        - viagra
        - inability to watch when I want
        - insufficient box office content
        - serials pushed all over the fucking place by sports
        - networks moving things to different times, days, or even other networks
        - reruns.
        - It's damned near impossible to get a tv guide in paper.
        - The digital tv guides don't work reliably unless you have a cable box (and those are hard to scan quickly since the boxes are slow)
        - Oh yeah, the boxes are slow
        - A thousand other things

    Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?

    1. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?"

      The solution is infinitely easier:

      Turn off your TV. Cancel your cable.

      Problem solved.

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  13. The article has a major fundamental flaw. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A thing does not have to be "broken" in order for change/progress to be made. Telephones weren't "broken" when cellular phones were invented, and the horse drawn carriage wasn't "broken" when the automobile was invented. It isn't broken, companies are just trying to make money by making progress in a technology that people are interested in.

    1. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the way the summary frames the discussion (which I am assuming it gets from the article), both telephones and horse drawn carriages were "broken" at the times you specified. With horse drawn carriages there were two problems that automobiles solved. First, you had to fuel/feed your horse, even if you weren't going anywhere, an automobile you only have to fuel if you want to use it. Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking. As for telephones, people had to know specifically where you were and the number of the nearest telephone in order to get a hold of you. If you were someone who spent a good deal of time going from one place to another that made reaching you problematic.

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  14. Commercials and On-Demand by apdyck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The very fundamental principle of using television as a revenue generator is broken. I would gladly pay for a service that allowed me to watch whatever shows I wanted, when I wanted, with no commercial interruption. I am not willing to pay for a service that forces me to watch three minutes out of ten of commercials, and I certainly don't like to adjust my viewing schedule to accomodate the shows I want to watch! It is much easier for me to download shows and watch them later than it is for me to be in front of my television while they are being broadcast. If I want to watch a live event, such as a sports game, I can always head to the local pub and watch it there. I currently have basic cable and I pay ten dollars a month for it. The only reason I have that is that I purchase my internet through the cable company and, even paying $120 for the whole year, I was able to save a bunch of money on my Internet services ($300 off over three months, plus a 5% discount on my total bill, that amounts to a savings of $240 over the course of a year). I rarely turn it on. Not even for sporting events. Fix the delivery system and make it more accessible. Charge based on what you watch, rather than what channels you watch. If I was charged $0.25-0.50 per show I watched I would be inclined to watch more. But paying a monthly fee for a bunch of stuff I will never watch? Not worth the money.

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  15. Program Discovery is a problem... by jtara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just discovering what programs are available is a huge problem outside of the conventional broadcast TV paradigm.

    Set-top box program schedules stink. Nobody buys the TV Guide any more. Yea, there are third-party (and cable-company supplied) program schedule apps, but most of them stink too. (Anybody else try the useless Cox schedule guide on iPad?) If you're really into it, there are web sites that discuss shows ad-infinitum I'd imagine, but most people won't bother, and don't want to sift through the crap.

    Finding on-demand programming is a hassle. You have to navigate with a horrible on-screen interface, and most people don't know what network a show they've heard about is on. So, they have to do a search, which is horribly painful. Click, click, click, click, there's ONE LETTER.

    Program discovery is so bad that most people revert to "what's on?" and flip through the channels. Even if a show is marketed heavily, and you see a banner drug by an airplane and wonder what's up with the guy that thinks he sees a dog, how many people are going to bother to painfully type-in "W _ I _ L _ F _ R _ E _ D when they get home, and then go through the rigmarole to set the VCR?

    The big problem is, there are so many choices that it takes major time to sift through them. You have to know what you are looking for, but how do you know what you are looking for in the first place? Sure, I can go to NetFlix and decide I want to see a Fellini film easily enough. (Though I'd be best served by going to the website and putting it in my Instant Queue than by navigating the horrible on-screen interface.) And, oh, BTW, they're going to have to mail me that Fellini film 90% of the time, so we're Not There Yet.

    Now, if the marketing says or even implies it's a prime-time show on a major network - you might remember the time-slot and go surfing for it if it's around that time. Otherwise, it's pretty hit-and-miss.

    Clearly, though, ultimately, scheduled programming (other than live events and breaking news) are inevitably going to go away. I think I think that's necessary to prepare the public is to change terminology. No more show times. They're release times.

    Every show should be available on-demand in some form. Some people will still eagerly anticipate "release times", and gather in front of the set to be the first to watch a show, just as some go out to a theater to see a movie when it's first released.

  16. Make the mechanics FASTER by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speed:
                Channel switching speed: It keeps getting worse. Analog TV's were instant channel switchers. Even analog TV's with digital readouts were instant switchers. "Digital" TV can't do that. Cable boxes and their insane 'menuing' system. It's supposed to help you see what's on, but it makes 'flipping through the channels' more like 'trudging' through the channels. Even with OTA HDTV, there's a pause while it gets enough signal to show you a picture. They need to be working on eliminating that pause.
                BOOT up speed: I'm lucky. I have an HD CRT. There aren't many of those. You push power, the screen makes a funny noise. The CRT warms up in a second or two. You're in business. The experiences I've had with LCD screens aren't good. When you turn it on, you get a POST screen, a manufacturer logo, some other 'boot-up' processes. It takes a LONG TIME. If I had one of those I'd be tempted to never turn it off because I wouldn't want to wait through the boot-up. That definitely needs to be fixed. If there was ever a place for 'instant on' technology, it's in the TV.

    Cost:
                    It's hard for me to complain here because I don't pay for it, but I think the fact that I refuse to pay for it should say something. I've never caved to the 'Pay TV' bandwagon. No cable, no satellite. Over the Air all the way. I actually do pay for TV now. It's called Netflix. It's $8 instead of $50, and I get to pick what's on. (And no commercials.) Pay TV is way too expensive and doesn't make any sense. That needs to be fixed.
                    Now to be hypocritical. My wife won't watch commercials. She rather skip the program than watch a commercial. Not only is she always annoyed by them, she's often offended by them. I'm pretty sure commercials are the most heavily studied aspect of Television, so I don't really have any suggestions that the 'experts' haven't already beaten to death.

    As for Content. I don't think that's part of the discussion. (We'll at least the FA. which I didn't read.) The shows are not the technology. I don't think you can 'fix' the shows. That's like dictating what music will be popular with teenagers. Good luck with that.

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  17. A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Dump all "reality" shows.
    2. Get rid of the incredibly annoying pop-ups during programs. Seriously, I stopped watching "Rubicon", which had at least some promise, because these are horribly disruptive and offensive.
    3. Convince the History Channel, the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, to focus on actual history and actual science...and not myth, superstition, and nonsense.
    4. Please note that #3 does not cover Mythbusters, which, while occasionally a bit self-indulgent, at least features actual experiments.
    5. Try showing movies without censoring, interrupting or editing them.
    6. Stop remaking things. Hawaii 5-0 (among many, MANY others) did not need to be remade, and you're embarrassing yourselves, as well as putting crap on the air.
    7. Lose the talking heads on news. Lose the theme music, lose the captions, lose the scroll, lose the catchy titles for every major news event. Try something different: sober, reasoned, analysis. Don't tell me that "you only 20 seconds left to discuss this"; you're a fricking network, all you HAVE is time. And stop pretending that there are two sides to every story: when one side is obviously insane, lying, or stupid, there aren't. Instead: call them on it.
    8. There are occasional treasures in the archives. Not only should you air them, you should back them up to the world by posting them for free, unlimited download.
    9. Run all commercials by a panel of 15-year-olds. If even they mock it, then what reaction do you think intelligent adults will have?
    10. Teach everyone on your staff that "/" is a slash, not a backslash. Make it a policy that you will instantly fire anyone who calls it a backslash. If they do so on-air, then armed security should tackle them, handcuff them, and drag them off the set while the cameras are running. (Okay, so this one is selfish. But I would it find it immensely satisfying to watch.)

  18. Yes, its about as good as its ever been by Marrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you don't remember the programming in the old days. It was horrible. It seemed like there was one or two shows a decade that were worth watching. The movies were bad too. We see old movies and old tv shows now that are chosen because they were the watchable ones.
    Today we are spoiled for choice. There are lots of shows worth watching. Sometimes two a day on the same channel. And there are more than 3 channels now. There used to be very few channels.

  19. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

    I think you're so close on this one, but what's broken about TVs will not be fixed when the AppleTV supports CableCard, but when the AppleTV has no reason to support CableCard. In my view, the problem is the cable companies themselves, or rather the whole setup of having a "cable company".

    With digital video and the Internet working the way it does, why on earth should I be locked into a specific provider by my geographic location? Why should I need to buy/rent specific hardware for that provider? Why should that provider be broadcasting video on channels, where I'm locked into watching shows on specific channels in a specific order at a specific time of day?

    Now I won't be shocked if some people disagree with me here, but in my view, this is one of those things where things were developed at some point based on the restrictions at the time, but if you were building things today, you wouldn't design it this way. Like someone comes in and says:

    I have a great idea for a Netflix competitor. It's just like Netflix, but without a good recommendation engine, you have to watch things on our schedule, we force you to watch ads, and we force you into renting hardware instead of watching it on your regular set-top box. Oh, and the set-top boxes we provide are absolute crap, which makes browsing frustrating. And it's great that browsing is terrible, because you have to browse through a million terrible 'channels' of time-locked content looking for something to watch. And best of all, we'll charge 10 times as much as Netflix!

    Now image that. Who listens to that and says, "Oh, that's a great idea!"