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TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It?

PolygamousRanchKid sends this quote from a contentious article at CNN that questions the need for further development of TVs and the entire TV-viewing experience. "The technology industry is absolutely bent on reinventing television. ... But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway? The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience, to make it as efficient and elegant as possible, requiring the fewest number of steps to complete a particular task while offering the greatest number of amazing new features. But normal people don't think about TV that way. TV is passive. The last thing we want to do is work at it. ... As long as there's something on — anything — that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random." So, what do you think is broken about TV right now? Is there a point at which it'd be better for us to stand back and say "We've done what we can with this. Let's work on something else"?

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  1. TV ain't broken? by mholve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you SEEN what's on TV?

    1. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently they don't care

      As long as there's something on â" anything â" that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random

      That was acceptable when there was no other option, and when you were just wanting to relax for a while. There are much better alternatives now though. Even if those alternatives also involve just passively watching media, why should you settle just for something "reasonably engaging" - probably punctuated by ads every 10-15 minutes - when you have streaming options available? Even before I overcame my strange desire to build a collection of media, I much preferred simply buying everything outright than putting up with adverts. These days I'm happy with streaming and rentals.

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    2. Re:TV ain't broken? by alphatel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Advertising has been the driver behind commercial TV for decades. Money still pours in non-stop to commercial networks and some are looking to capitalize even more with product ordering forms in case you thought it couldn't get any worse.

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    3. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      From a technical standpoint, TV has been fine for decades....

    4. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My response to the question as well. The problem with TV is not technology.

      What is broken about TV is content. Direct TV is amazing! There are now 1000 channels, with nothing on. The technology improved this from 50, a mere decade ago.

      I don't wan' a "History" channel that gives a platform to observe crackers welding hotrods, or a chance to watch "Like Water for Elephants" at 7.99 USD.

      I am afraid to even ask about the listing: "Dave's Old Porn".

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    5. Re:TV ain't broken? by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've tried turning up the brightness knob, but it's just as stupid as it ever was.

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    6. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's actually starting to improve..

      There are some honest to god sitcoms popping up. Still not worth getting my cable back yet, but it at least looks like the reality TV thing is starting to fade.

    7. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dave's old porn is great. Think MST3K but to blurry porn

    8. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I too tend to prefer buying a series and watching it straight through (I don't care about the advertisements, more the lack of waiting a week between each chunk), I also fondly remember the "sit back and casually watch whatever is on" thing.

      Discovery channel, comedy central, and TLC (back when it was about learning and not decorating houses..) were great for this style of consumption.

    9. Re:TV ain't broken? by Blind+RMS+Groupie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yea, it's been a vast wasteland for the past 50 years.

    10. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TV is different from streaming in that content is pushed to you rather than pulled by you. Although I like the empowerment of pulling all my content pulling means that I mostly pull the content that is in my comfort zone and that I am already somewhat familiar with. Movies with actors I've enjoyed in the past or even that i've already seen and really enjoyed. The amount of exposure to new actors and new content is limited. For instance I will pull the latest season of dexter because I enjoy the show but I wouldn't be likely to pull the big bang theory because I've never seen it.

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

    11. Re:TV ain't broken? by s1d3track3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. You know the saying there are 500+ channels and nothing is on.

      For me TV is broken because I should be able to watch anything I want when I want.

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time (it would also be nice to have a 'you may also enjoy', or 'related' to learn about things I may not be familiar with in the genre [or, perish the thought, new programs in development])

      TV should be at my control 'for my entertainment', not treat me as a passive audience for what ever is programmed at whatever time.

      (Yes, I realize this is probably not a realistic expectation. I am also aware of the wide array of recording devices, Tivo, etc as well as Movie streaming devices. (Roku, etc) I also realize that the blocker in my vision is more about licensing then technology, still, this is how I would like 'TV' to work)

    12. Re:TV ain't broken? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, 90% of everything is crap and always has been. That doesn't mean everything on TV sucks. There are a lot of great shows in that 10%. Unfortunately, they tend to get cancelled while shows like Keeping Up With the Kardashians get renewed. But 90% of people's tastes apparently suck too. Every time I get depressed about it, some great new show comes along to renew my faith.

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    13. Re:TV ain't broken? by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

    14. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember when History had history programming?

      Of course history had two dimensions: Confederate armies and Hitler. Oh! Three dimensions, if you count "historical Jesus" shows during Christmas and Easter seasons.

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    15. Re:TV ain't broken? by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should see the look of shock I get when I tell people I do not have TV service. I have netflix, I have video games, I have a few other online content resources, but TV....not much worth paying for.

      I'd much rather wait for it to get to netflix, watch without commercials and see it on my own time, at my own pace. You want to fix TV? Let me buy what I want, when I want and watch it how I want.

    16. Re:TV ain't broken? by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

      > The Simpsons

      You lost your credibility right there, unless you're talking reruns that predate the second Bush administration.

      Simpson hipsters.

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    17. Re:TV ain't broken? by michrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to watch TLC pretty frequently. Now it's all programming about decorating things (houses, people, etc), pimping out your toddlers, and irresponsible child birth (both in having absurdly large families, and those that *somehow* "don't know" they're pregnant, etc)... Used to watch Planet Green until it started running reruns from other Discovery channels. I do watch a lot of Discovery Science, though I don't hold out much hope that Discovery Networks won't fuck that one up also. :(

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    18. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're forgetting the guns. The guns. History used to also be the gun channel, or as some have put it: The Guns and Hitler channel.

      At least that stuff was on topic.

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    19. Re:TV ain't broken? by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is fundamentally what's wrong with TV. The subscription model.

      I dont want 1000 channels of random cram, repeated every 4 hours. You're going to get repeat crap when there's 1000 channels to fill.

      I want about 25 channels of stuff that *I* want to watch. And I want to be able to actually chose those channels. And add or subtract channels I'm (not) interested in. I don't ever want to see a hunting/cooking/househunting show. But I do want to to watch hockey games/history/movies. You can't, the subscription model says you have to have both.

      If the price is $1.99/channel/month, I'd get what I want for about the same price without having to surf the channel guide regularly.

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    20. Re:TV ain't broken? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brief synopsis of some of your favorites:

      The Office: Office workers are stupid idiots
      The Simpsons: Nuclear operators are stupid idiots
      Pan Am: Stewardesses are stupid idiots
      How I Met Your Mother: Sex addicts are stupid idiots
      Modern Family: Parents are stupid idiots
      The Big Bang Theory: Geeks are stupid idiots
      Chuck: Spies are stupid idiots
      news shows: Reporters are gullible stupid idiots
      Futurama: Aliens are stupid idiots.

      Seems like there's a trend there somewhere

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    21. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Advertising is one of the big things that is currently broken about TV. There's too much of "ads as content" as well as changing rules regarding how much of normal content can be mired in ads. This has led to a dichotomy between "prime time" content and reruns and the butchery of older works.

      Want to vomit? Try watching old "twilight zone" reruns. The original 1/2 hour episodes were about 25 minutes in the old days. Recent hack jobs have that scarcely over 15 minutes now. With automatic hands free Mythtv commercial skipping, I can watch 4 "half hour" episodes in a bit more than an hour.

      So much is edited out that some episodes don't make sense anymore. Entire scenes gone. Sometimes they chop out to an ad in the middle of dialog.

      The original 25 minute episodes are still available via DVD and of course torrents. I'm pretty close to switching to that instead of watching the sad "broadcasts".

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    22. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're over-complicating the content.

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      Almost the only things worth watching come from sources other than the networks. And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      If it weren't for some of the productions you can buy on DVD and Bluray... and some streaming... I don't think I'd even own a TV today. But some of the movies make it all worth it for me.

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

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    23. Re:TV ain't broken? by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simpson hipsters.

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.

    24. Re:TV ain't broken? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time

      This neatly answers the question of what's wrong with TV: It doesn't fit into people's schedules. If you're not available when the TV company is broadcasting then you're out of luck.

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent. But if the MAFIAA gets their way then pretty soon you'll have the outside world disconnected and/or be sent to prison for doing that.

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    25. Re:TV ain't broken? by DeathElk · · Score: 4, Informative

      My name is Otto and I love to get blotto

    26. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

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    27. Re:TV ain't broken? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 4, Funny

      Watching History UK, I was very surprised to see Iceroad truckers. What happened to my beloved "Hitler Channel"? Back in the day it was all Hitler, all the time, except for some Ancient Egyptians. On some lucky nights we'd be treated to some odd ancient astronaut stuff. Thankfully History wasn't as bad with woo as Discovery Civilization. It seemed that Discovery in general blew half of the budget on night vision cameras, retards, and a bunch of con artists to drag them around dimly lit houses and give the retards the willies. I still recall a documentary in which Von Daniken's crazy ideas were introduced without any serious rebuttal. There was far too much if that "but perhaps we'll never know" mentality used when comparing fruit cake theories to reasonably argued and well evidenced ones.

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    28. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      <cough>Khan Academy<cough>

      Basically, broadcast TV is for old people now. Young people don't even buy cable anymore.

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    29. Re:TV ain't broken? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Open University is a distance-learning university in the UK. They used to broadcast material (not just lectures) overnight on BBC 2, but it seems they stopped this a few years ago. Shame.

      Some of it might be here, or else that might be the new "general audience" stuff.

      The OU website says "Virtual microscopes, interactive laboratories and online collaborations have taken the place of home experiment kits sent through the post, while late night TV programmes have been replaced by DVDs and online videos".

    30. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...and this brings us to the OTHER thing wrong with TV, which is ads.

      According to this artucle, advertising to one viewer during one show costs between two and four cents. There are, what, maybe ten commercials per half-hour. Thus, broadcasters should be able to sell me a show for between twenty and forty cents, and INCREASE their profits because now they don't have to pay ad salesmen and all the other nonsense surrounding ads.

      So far, I don't know of any broadcaster offering me prime-time content for twenty cents. If any ever does, I'll put the pennies on the table; but if they want me to pay ten times MORE than that, then I decline their unethical offer and choose to get my entertainment ethically, by downloading it for free.

    31. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mista2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop the stupid new format on discovery shows:
      Credits, 10 minutes telling you what's combing up in the show.
      Ad break
      Quick recap, some content, then a few more clips of things to come
      Ad break
      Recap of the previous segment, a little new content, and again the same 10 second teaser clip
      Adbreak
      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh shit, I go so bored I switched it off, so I don't know what comes next.

    32. Re:TV ain't broken? by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cable's not worth it any more.

      Seriously. I have something north of 500 tunable channels, maybe 1000, and there are times there isn't one watchable thing on any of them because hundreds are showing infomercials and Everybody Loves Raymond reruns.

      And it makes perfect sense to the businesses that feed the cable company content.

      That's the world that your local business school wants us to live in.

  2. It's broken for me by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't imagine life without a PVR, being a slave to some executives scheduling decisions is no way to lead your life. It also helps that my PVR includes comskip so I spend 1/3rd less time watching tv and my kids aren't bombarded by relentless advertising.

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    1. Re:It's broken for me by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you haven't turned the TV on in five years, how can you know the shows aren't worth watching? Or are you just rambling the way old people always do "things were so much better before"...

  3. What Indeed by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What is so broken about TV? It isnt giving tv manufacturers ample reason to charge onbcene ammounts for a new tv.

    Now a 3-d tv, thats a good reason to spend 2k on right?

    Right?

  4. Tied to a time and place by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

    I want to be able to watch my favorite shows when I remember I want to watch them, not a time set by someone else. I also don't always want to watch them from home.

    Take away Tivo, Slingbox, etc and these things are not possible.

  5. advertising by Quirkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing broken about TV is the massive proportion of it dedicated to advertising instead of actual content.

    1. Re:advertising by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The advertising IS the actual content. What's in between is just there to keep you watching between ads.

  6. Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take a crack at this.

    It's expensive as hell.
    The cost exaggerates how much crap there is to sift through to find anything worth watching.
    Often the "worth watching" query comes back empty.
    The STB's are universally awful.
    Even if you DVR and FFwd, the commercials are an annoyance.

    I'm sure there's more... but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

    1. Re:Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, and the part that really gets me... to go from 1 show worth watching to 2 shows worth watching, you'll need to up your package with another 30 awful channels for an additional $20 in MRC.

      And want to watch on another TV? That'll be another $5-10 a month.

      Oh and don't pick a movie from the on demand, you'll have to mortgage the house and you'll only have access for the next 24-48 hours.

  7. Commercials. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Commercials, among other things. Because everything has to be dumbed down to gain mass market appeal and advertising dollars, there is a real lack of quality programming. But hopefully we may see the internet change all that, once all the DMCA type shenanigans come to an end, and people figure out that you can still charge for content even if people steal it.

  8. Simple... by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many fake reality shows. Way too many. Less Jersey Shore, Lady Hoggers, and the like, and it will be just fine.

  9. More control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is passive, they cannot measure the degree of effectiveness of their mass control initiatives, resulting in more time and money spent to repeat the message enough to guarantee assimilation. They want ways of getting feedback.

  10. simple - lack of control / options by forgottenusername · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should I pay for a bunch of channels and service I don't want?

    If they offered modular, on demand service I wouldn't have to monkey around with xbmc, encoding etc.

    Services like on-demand streaming of movies/tv where you pay exactly what you want are the future. The cable company can't let go of their monolithic 'screw you cuz we can & always have' thinking. Eventually they will go the way of the labels as far as monopoly via audio CD's - technology will evolve past them (already is/has) and they'll just be left waving their wizened fists angrily, struggling for relevance and trying to screw people over with control of cable internet.

  11. Country by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to see channels from any country, in any country.

    That's all.

  12. Problem with TV is.. by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... fixed schedules and they show only the content that will get them the most (average) viewers. So programs cater to the lowest common denominator. You can't simply just watch what you want to when you want to relatively (obnoxious) ad free.

    The great thing about the internet is you can find old shows like cartoons and whatnot from earlier in your life that no network will broadcast anymore. As bad as content industries make 'piracy' out to be, they can no longer forcibly send old shows offline permanently (which is a good thing). If anything piracy will be a great boon to future historians of entertainment, the arts and humanity generally speaking.

  13. Mode and Complexity by Anrego · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Primarily the mode of delivery. It made sense that the internet would piggyback on existing infrastructure (cable and telephone) but the tables have now turned, and it would make more sense to piggyback TV on a line specifically meant for Internet (fiber).

    Complexity is an interesting one. Modern TVs are freaking complicated. My grandfathers set blew about 2 years ago so I helped get him a new one. Trying to find a larger screen TV that doesn’t require a geek to operate is pretty damn hard. There would seem to be a huge market for people that just want something you turn on, change volume, change channel, turn off. Even if you get a geek (like me) to set it up for you, you still end up with either multiple remotes (one for TV/one for digital box, one for DVD player) or a just as complicated “smart remote” that kinda works.

    Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I haven’t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldn’t find a TV that supported this.

  14. Set-top boxes by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing most broken about TVs today is the blasted set-top box.

    Maybe in the living room it's ok to have an "entertainment center" with all sorts of electronic boxes wired together, and to have multiple remote controls, or spend $$ to buy something like a Logitech Harmony. But for every TV you've got?

    For the past few weeks Comcast has been putting the "You're not doing this right." messages on some channels on my TV. It looked like it might be merely "going digital", but last week I did a rescan on a digital TV, and didn't find the channels that warn. I'll rescan again Wednesday, after the switchover, but I'm not optimistic. So now the second TV (which actually is digital, unlike the "first TV") is about to need some sort of extra box, extra remote, and of course when the extra box is active we won't be able to get the broadcast HD channels without extra fiddling, etc. (Or we could spend more $$$ for an HD set-top box, etc.)

    THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

    Oh yeah, this upcoming change is going to break MythTV, or at least badly decrease its usefulness.

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    1. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

      I think you're so close on this one, but what's broken about TVs will not be fixed when the AppleTV supports CableCard, but when the AppleTV has no reason to support CableCard. In my view, the problem is the cable companies themselves, or rather the whole setup of having a "cable company".

      With digital video and the Internet working the way it does, why on earth should I be locked into a specific provider by my geographic location? Why should I need to buy/rent specific hardware for that provider? Why should that provider be broadcasting video on channels, where I'm locked into watching shows on specific channels in a specific order at a specific time of day?

      Now I won't be shocked if some people disagree with me here, but in my view, this is one of those things where things were developed at some point based on the restrictions at the time, but if you were building things today, you wouldn't design it this way. Like someone comes in and says:

      I have a great idea for a Netflix competitor. It's just like Netflix, but without a good recommendation engine, you have to watch things on our schedule, we force you to watch ads, and we force you into renting hardware instead of watching it on your regular set-top box. Oh, and the set-top boxes we provide are absolute crap, which makes browsing frustrating. And it's great that browsing is terrible, because you have to browse through a million terrible 'channels' of time-locked content looking for something to watch. And best of all, we'll charge 10 times as much as Netflix!

      Now image that. Who listens to that and says, "Oh, that's a great idea!"

  15. What's broken? by AdamJS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing.

    THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
    How's a TV manufacturer supposed to get more money if people aren't buying new TVs/their current doesn't have planned obsolescence?
    Then there's that pesky "internet" that's killing the cable cash cow.

  16. The only thing broken is almost everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The model itself.

    Originally it was said it'd be subsidized by ads. Try running a stopwatch during primetime...at least ten years ago you could get nearly 45% or more advertising in movies, and 30% plus in 30 minute specials.

    In theory--cable would cover this cost. Except instead you just get more channels with the same unsolicited bulk broadcast.

    To go away from that, you need...oh... pay per view. Costs as much as renting the fucking thing, plus delivery.

    Or you can get HBO or cinemax which at a minimum of about 15 a month is near worthless assuming you want to watch a movie once a week, but are only a 1 in 4 chance of enjoying any given movie.

    So you get to pay about $100 a month or more in order to have irrelevant ads slung at you. And then you have that nice awkward experience of sitting down to watch something with your parents when a 'little blue pill' commercial comes on. Or a public service announcement. Or somebody asking for my money to feed children so they can take their 80% administrative fee.

    Let's try to sum up the problems with TV:
        - too much advertisement
        - not enough relevant content
        - cable top boxes making it hard to space shift in my home
        - artificial difficulty in time and space shifting
        - viagra
        - inability to watch when I want
        - insufficient box office content
        - serials pushed all over the fucking place by sports
        - networks moving things to different times, days, or even other networks
        - reruns.
        - It's damned near impossible to get a tv guide in paper.
        - The digital tv guides don't work reliably unless you have a cable box (and those are hard to scan quickly since the boxes are slow)
        - Oh yeah, the boxes are slow
        - A thousand other things

    Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?

    1. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?"

      The solution is infinitely easier:

      Turn off your TV. Cancel your cable.

      Problem solved.

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  17. The US subscription model is the most broken thing by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This comment only applies to the USA. It may or may not apply to other countries.

    Here in the USA we basically have to pay some provider a monthly subscription fee. Yes, you can try to watch over the air (OTA) TV for free if you are lucky enough to get a good signal where you live, but the channels are very limited. So we get suckered into buying more channels than we want just to get the channels we do want. For example, you may want one particular sports channel but you have to buy 15 different ones in a package to get it and you'll never watch the other channels. TV providers fear letting customers buy channels a la carte as they know that their income would plummet. Off the top of my head I would think that most people would probably be happy with paying a lot less money for only 20-30 channels if they could pick those individual channels themselves. I have to admit that I have just about reached my limit with TV charges and another rate increase might just make me drop the whole thing and resort to cheaper alternatives to watch the shows I want to see at a later date and time. Some people argue that "Oh if you switched from cable to satellite" or vice-versa that you would "save a lot of money" but the reality is that once the introductory offers expire, the prices are pretty much the same whoever you get your TV from. What we really need in the USA is a way to drive down the costs to the consumers to subscribe in a way that doesn't take away our favorite channels. As long as the providers are able to get away with avoiding a la carte pricing, they've got us trapped.

    However, I have to say that I am not at all an Apple fanboy, but I am really impressed at how Apple took mobile telephones and pads and turned them into something actually useful that were generations ahead of earlier attempts to do so. It's been rumored for some time that "Apple TV" is going to debut next year and I am curious to see if Steve Jobs figured out something on TVs that Apple can make better in a way they did for portable music players, mobile phones and pads.

  18. The article has a major fundamental flaw. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A thing does not have to be "broken" in order for change/progress to be made. Telephones weren't "broken" when cellular phones were invented, and the horse drawn carriage wasn't "broken" when the automobile was invented. It isn't broken, companies are just trying to make money by making progress in a technology that people are interested in.

    1. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the way the summary frames the discussion (which I am assuming it gets from the article), both telephones and horse drawn carriages were "broken" at the times you specified. With horse drawn carriages there were two problems that automobiles solved. First, you had to fuel/feed your horse, even if you weren't going anywhere, an automobile you only have to fuel if you want to use it. Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking. As for telephones, people had to know specifically where you were and the number of the nearest telephone in order to get a hold of you. If you were someone who spent a good deal of time going from one place to another that made reaching you problematic.

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  19. Commercials and On-Demand by apdyck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The very fundamental principle of using television as a revenue generator is broken. I would gladly pay for a service that allowed me to watch whatever shows I wanted, when I wanted, with no commercial interruption. I am not willing to pay for a service that forces me to watch three minutes out of ten of commercials, and I certainly don't like to adjust my viewing schedule to accomodate the shows I want to watch! It is much easier for me to download shows and watch them later than it is for me to be in front of my television while they are being broadcast. If I want to watch a live event, such as a sports game, I can always head to the local pub and watch it there. I currently have basic cable and I pay ten dollars a month for it. The only reason I have that is that I purchase my internet through the cable company and, even paying $120 for the whole year, I was able to save a bunch of money on my Internet services ($300 off over three months, plus a 5% discount on my total bill, that amounts to a savings of $240 over the course of a year). I rarely turn it on. Not even for sporting events. Fix the delivery system and make it more accessible. Charge based on what you watch, rather than what channels you watch. If I was charged $0.25-0.50 per show I watched I would be inclined to watch more. But paying a monthly fee for a bunch of stuff I will never watch? Not worth the money.

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  20. Program Discovery is a problem... by jtara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just discovering what programs are available is a huge problem outside of the conventional broadcast TV paradigm.

    Set-top box program schedules stink. Nobody buys the TV Guide any more. Yea, there are third-party (and cable-company supplied) program schedule apps, but most of them stink too. (Anybody else try the useless Cox schedule guide on iPad?) If you're really into it, there are web sites that discuss shows ad-infinitum I'd imagine, but most people won't bother, and don't want to sift through the crap.

    Finding on-demand programming is a hassle. You have to navigate with a horrible on-screen interface, and most people don't know what network a show they've heard about is on. So, they have to do a search, which is horribly painful. Click, click, click, click, there's ONE LETTER.

    Program discovery is so bad that most people revert to "what's on?" and flip through the channels. Even if a show is marketed heavily, and you see a banner drug by an airplane and wonder what's up with the guy that thinks he sees a dog, how many people are going to bother to painfully type-in "W _ I _ L _ F _ R _ E _ D when they get home, and then go through the rigmarole to set the VCR?

    The big problem is, there are so many choices that it takes major time to sift through them. You have to know what you are looking for, but how do you know what you are looking for in the first place? Sure, I can go to NetFlix and decide I want to see a Fellini film easily enough. (Though I'd be best served by going to the website and putting it in my Instant Queue than by navigating the horrible on-screen interface.) And, oh, BTW, they're going to have to mail me that Fellini film 90% of the time, so we're Not There Yet.

    Now, if the marketing says or even implies it's a prime-time show on a major network - you might remember the time-slot and go surfing for it if it's around that time. Otherwise, it's pretty hit-and-miss.

    Clearly, though, ultimately, scheduled programming (other than live events and breaking news) are inevitably going to go away. I think I think that's necessary to prepare the public is to change terminology. No more show times. They're release times.

    Every show should be available on-demand in some form. Some people will still eagerly anticipate "release times", and gather in front of the set to be the first to watch a show, just as some go out to a theater to see a movie when it's first released.

  21. Make the mechanics FASTER by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speed:
                Channel switching speed: It keeps getting worse. Analog TV's were instant channel switchers. Even analog TV's with digital readouts were instant switchers. "Digital" TV can't do that. Cable boxes and their insane 'menuing' system. It's supposed to help you see what's on, but it makes 'flipping through the channels' more like 'trudging' through the channels. Even with OTA HDTV, there's a pause while it gets enough signal to show you a picture. They need to be working on eliminating that pause.
                BOOT up speed: I'm lucky. I have an HD CRT. There aren't many of those. You push power, the screen makes a funny noise. The CRT warms up in a second or two. You're in business. The experiences I've had with LCD screens aren't good. When you turn it on, you get a POST screen, a manufacturer logo, some other 'boot-up' processes. It takes a LONG TIME. If I had one of those I'd be tempted to never turn it off because I wouldn't want to wait through the boot-up. That definitely needs to be fixed. If there was ever a place for 'instant on' technology, it's in the TV.

    Cost:
                    It's hard for me to complain here because I don't pay for it, but I think the fact that I refuse to pay for it should say something. I've never caved to the 'Pay TV' bandwagon. No cable, no satellite. Over the Air all the way. I actually do pay for TV now. It's called Netflix. It's $8 instead of $50, and I get to pick what's on. (And no commercials.) Pay TV is way too expensive and doesn't make any sense. That needs to be fixed.
                    Now to be hypocritical. My wife won't watch commercials. She rather skip the program than watch a commercial. Not only is she always annoyed by them, she's often offended by them. I'm pretty sure commercials are the most heavily studied aspect of Television, so I don't really have any suggestions that the 'experts' haven't already beaten to death.

    As for Content. I don't think that's part of the discussion. (We'll at least the FA. which I didn't read.) The shows are not the technology. I don't think you can 'fix' the shows. That's like dictating what music will be popular with teenagers. Good luck with that.

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  22. A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Dump all "reality" shows.
    2. Get rid of the incredibly annoying pop-ups during programs. Seriously, I stopped watching "Rubicon", which had at least some promise, because these are horribly disruptive and offensive.
    3. Convince the History Channel, the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, to focus on actual history and actual science...and not myth, superstition, and nonsense.
    4. Please note that #3 does not cover Mythbusters, which, while occasionally a bit self-indulgent, at least features actual experiments.
    5. Try showing movies without censoring, interrupting or editing them.
    6. Stop remaking things. Hawaii 5-0 (among many, MANY others) did not need to be remade, and you're embarrassing yourselves, as well as putting crap on the air.
    7. Lose the talking heads on news. Lose the theme music, lose the captions, lose the scroll, lose the catchy titles for every major news event. Try something different: sober, reasoned, analysis. Don't tell me that "you only 20 seconds left to discuss this"; you're a fricking network, all you HAVE is time. And stop pretending that there are two sides to every story: when one side is obviously insane, lying, or stupid, there aren't. Instead: call them on it.
    8. There are occasional treasures in the archives. Not only should you air them, you should back them up to the world by posting them for free, unlimited download.
    9. Run all commercials by a panel of 15-year-olds. If even they mock it, then what reaction do you think intelligent adults will have?
    10. Teach everyone on your staff that "/" is a slash, not a backslash. Make it a policy that you will instantly fire anyone who calls it a backslash. If they do so on-air, then armed security should tackle them, handcuff them, and drag them off the set while the cameras are running. (Okay, so this one is selfish. But I would it find it immensely satisfying to watch.)

  23. Too much in the way. by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here's how it should work.

    I pay a content provider a subscription for a show. For instance, $0.75 for a season of House without ads, or $0.05 for a season of House with ads. $1.50 for a season of "The Daily Show" without ads. $10.00 for a restart of Firefly without ads (Yes, I went there), and so on. The greater the demand, the less the cost (and, obviously, the greater the show run, or the more cost to create, the higher the subscription cost). This will put much more money in the hands of the content providers directly, rather than having the cable middlemen taking a large chunk, and will still keep all but the most obsessive tv-watcher's cable bill at about the same price as it already is.

    Content providers can poll me on my interests for new shows. They can also use those interests to customize the ads I get, if I am agreeing to get ads.

    The content provider releases episodes on their regular schedule via a private BitTorrent tracker (or similar methods) in a DRM-unencumbered format, so I can watch it on any device I choose. This releasing is done using a customized-to-the-user RSS feed (only the shows I subscribe to from that provider appear in that feed), which is secured using HTTPS and a unique "user key". Trailers and pilot episodes for new shows can also be published on the RSS feed (especially if they may match my recorded interests). Keys cannot be shared, and abuse of such will result in the key being revoked (or at least, changed, so the user has to update his client with the new key if he wishes to continue, which will make it difficult enough to make sharing of feeds like this unfeasable).

    News channels and current events can be subscribed to for live streaming using Multicast (preferably) or Unicast systems, in much the same way.

    Cable companies can then become "content aggregators" or local CDNs, So rather than having to go to hundreds of different content providers, you can just subscribe through your cable company, and they aggregate all the available feeds for you and serve your content to you from local servers. Of course, going directly to the source is still an option, if you wish to track more directly, or if your particular cable company doesn't carry that provider's content. Cable companies can then either add a small surcharge to the price of each subscription, or charge a "content distribution" fee for running the local cache.

    Emergency broadcasts can be implemented with special RSS feed items, or signed and timestamped playlist files that point to a live stream, to be picked up and (dis)played immediately by boxes or computer systems. This is about the only part that isn't possible right now, and I shouldn't think it'd take that much work to implement.

    This way, when you go to the TV, there's always something you're interested in watching available. You never miss an episode of your favourite shows, and you directly support the people who make it.You don't have to get, and don't have to watch, anything you don't want to, and you can do whatever you like with what you've paid for. It also means that niche shows don't get canned, and providers have a completely accurate dollar-based view of just how popular shows really are (rather than having to rely on a very limited number of Nielsen households), and it also means that shows aren't competing for ratings by being forced into a timeslot, giving a false impression of popularity (or lack thereof). It would also make it easier for indie TV producers to get up and running. You'd probably also have a fast addition to Google in the form of "Which provider makes this TV show".

    Unfortunately, the way Hollywood, and the MPAA/RIAA/Media fatcats see the TV industry, and television consumers as a whole, this will never come to pass. They are so much more fond of their walled gardens and "Prime time slot"s that the idea of abandoning them and allowing people to live their lives not beholden to their scheduling whims is abhorrent. It would be so very nice, but I hold out little hope in it happening. And

  24. Yes, its about as good as its ever been by Marrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you don't remember the programming in the old days. It was horrible. It seemed like there was one or two shows a decade that were worth watching. The movies were bad too. We see old movies and old tv shows now that are chosen because they were the watchable ones.
    Today we are spoiled for choice. There are lots of shows worth watching. Sometimes two a day on the same channel. And there are more than 3 channels now. There used to be very few channels.