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TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It?

PolygamousRanchKid sends this quote from a contentious article at CNN that questions the need for further development of TVs and the entire TV-viewing experience. "The technology industry is absolutely bent on reinventing television. ... But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway? The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience, to make it as efficient and elegant as possible, requiring the fewest number of steps to complete a particular task while offering the greatest number of amazing new features. But normal people don't think about TV that way. TV is passive. The last thing we want to do is work at it. ... As long as there's something on — anything — that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random." So, what do you think is broken about TV right now? Is there a point at which it'd be better for us to stand back and say "We've done what we can with this. Let's work on something else"?

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  1. TV ain't broken? by mholve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you SEEN what's on TV?

    1. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently they don't care

      As long as there's something on â" anything â" that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random

      That was acceptable when there was no other option, and when you were just wanting to relax for a while. There are much better alternatives now though. Even if those alternatives also involve just passively watching media, why should you settle just for something "reasonably engaging" - probably punctuated by ads every 10-15 minutes - when you have streaming options available? Even before I overcame my strange desire to build a collection of media, I much preferred simply buying everything outright than putting up with adverts. These days I'm happy with streaming and rentals.

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    2. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      From a technical standpoint, TV has been fine for decades....

    3. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My response to the question as well. The problem with TV is not technology.

      What is broken about TV is content. Direct TV is amazing! There are now 1000 channels, with nothing on. The technology improved this from 50, a mere decade ago.

      I don't wan' a "History" channel that gives a platform to observe crackers welding hotrods, or a chance to watch "Like Water for Elephants" at 7.99 USD.

      I am afraid to even ask about the listing: "Dave's Old Porn".

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    4. Re:TV ain't broken? by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've tried turning up the brightness knob, but it's just as stupid as it ever was.

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    5. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dave's old porn is great. Think MST3K but to blurry porn

    6. Re:TV ain't broken? by Blind+RMS+Groupie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yea, it's been a vast wasteland for the past 50 years.

    7. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TV is different from streaming in that content is pushed to you rather than pulled by you. Although I like the empowerment of pulling all my content pulling means that I mostly pull the content that is in my comfort zone and that I am already somewhat familiar with. Movies with actors I've enjoyed in the past or even that i've already seen and really enjoyed. The amount of exposure to new actors and new content is limited. For instance I will pull the latest season of dexter because I enjoy the show but I wouldn't be likely to pull the big bang theory because I've never seen it.

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

    8. Re:TV ain't broken? by s1d3track3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. You know the saying there are 500+ channels and nothing is on.

      For me TV is broken because I should be able to watch anything I want when I want.

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time (it would also be nice to have a 'you may also enjoy', or 'related' to learn about things I may not be familiar with in the genre [or, perish the thought, new programs in development])

      TV should be at my control 'for my entertainment', not treat me as a passive audience for what ever is programmed at whatever time.

      (Yes, I realize this is probably not a realistic expectation. I am also aware of the wide array of recording devices, Tivo, etc as well as Movie streaming devices. (Roku, etc) I also realize that the blocker in my vision is more about licensing then technology, still, this is how I would like 'TV' to work)

    9. Re:TV ain't broken? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, 90% of everything is crap and always has been. That doesn't mean everything on TV sucks. There are a lot of great shows in that 10%. Unfortunately, they tend to get cancelled while shows like Keeping Up With the Kardashians get renewed. But 90% of people's tastes apparently suck too. Every time I get depressed about it, some great new show comes along to renew my faith.

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    10. Re:TV ain't broken? by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

    11. Re:TV ain't broken? by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

      > The Simpsons

      You lost your credibility right there, unless you're talking reruns that predate the second Bush administration.

      Simpson hipsters.

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    12. Re:TV ain't broken? by michrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to watch TLC pretty frequently. Now it's all programming about decorating things (houses, people, etc), pimping out your toddlers, and irresponsible child birth (both in having absurdly large families, and those that *somehow* "don't know" they're pregnant, etc)... Used to watch Planet Green until it started running reruns from other Discovery channels. I do watch a lot of Discovery Science, though I don't hold out much hope that Discovery Networks won't fuck that one up also. :(

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    13. Re:TV ain't broken? by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is fundamentally what's wrong with TV. The subscription model.

      I dont want 1000 channels of random cram, repeated every 4 hours. You're going to get repeat crap when there's 1000 channels to fill.

      I want about 25 channels of stuff that *I* want to watch. And I want to be able to actually chose those channels. And add or subtract channels I'm (not) interested in. I don't ever want to see a hunting/cooking/househunting show. But I do want to to watch hockey games/history/movies. You can't, the subscription model says you have to have both.

      If the price is $1.99/channel/month, I'd get what I want for about the same price without having to surf the channel guide regularly.

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    14. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Advertising is one of the big things that is currently broken about TV. There's too much of "ads as content" as well as changing rules regarding how much of normal content can be mired in ads. This has led to a dichotomy between "prime time" content and reruns and the butchery of older works.

      Want to vomit? Try watching old "twilight zone" reruns. The original 1/2 hour episodes were about 25 minutes in the old days. Recent hack jobs have that scarcely over 15 minutes now. With automatic hands free Mythtv commercial skipping, I can watch 4 "half hour" episodes in a bit more than an hour.

      So much is edited out that some episodes don't make sense anymore. Entire scenes gone. Sometimes they chop out to an ad in the middle of dialog.

      The original 25 minute episodes are still available via DVD and of course torrents. I'm pretty close to switching to that instead of watching the sad "broadcasts".

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    15. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're over-complicating the content.

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      Almost the only things worth watching come from sources other than the networks. And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      If it weren't for some of the productions you can buy on DVD and Bluray... and some streaming... I don't think I'd even own a TV today. But some of the movies make it all worth it for me.

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

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    16. Re:TV ain't broken? by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simpson hipsters.

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.

    17. Re:TV ain't broken? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time

      This neatly answers the question of what's wrong with TV: It doesn't fit into people's schedules. If you're not available when the TV company is broadcasting then you're out of luck.

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent. But if the MAFIAA gets their way then pretty soon you'll have the outside world disconnected and/or be sent to prison for doing that.

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    18. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

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    19. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      <cough>Khan Academy<cough>

      Basically, broadcast TV is for old people now. Young people don't even buy cable anymore.

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    20. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...and this brings us to the OTHER thing wrong with TV, which is ads.

      According to this artucle, advertising to one viewer during one show costs between two and four cents. There are, what, maybe ten commercials per half-hour. Thus, broadcasters should be able to sell me a show for between twenty and forty cents, and INCREASE their profits because now they don't have to pay ad salesmen and all the other nonsense surrounding ads.

      So far, I don't know of any broadcaster offering me prime-time content for twenty cents. If any ever does, I'll put the pennies on the table; but if they want me to pay ten times MORE than that, then I decline their unethical offer and choose to get my entertainment ethically, by downloading it for free.

  2. It's broken for me by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't imagine life without a PVR, being a slave to some executives scheduling decisions is no way to lead your life. It also helps that my PVR includes comskip so I spend 1/3rd less time watching tv and my kids aren't bombarded by relentless advertising.

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  3. Tied to a time and place by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

    I want to be able to watch my favorite shows when I remember I want to watch them, not a time set by someone else. I also don't always want to watch them from home.

    Take away Tivo, Slingbox, etc and these things are not possible.

  4. advertising by Quirkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing broken about TV is the massive proportion of it dedicated to advertising instead of actual content.

    1. Re:advertising by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The advertising IS the actual content. What's in between is just there to keep you watching between ads.

  5. Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take a crack at this.

    It's expensive as hell.
    The cost exaggerates how much crap there is to sift through to find anything worth watching.
    Often the "worth watching" query comes back empty.
    The STB's are universally awful.
    Even if you DVR and FFwd, the commercials are an annoyance.

    I'm sure there's more... but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

    1. Re:Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, and the part that really gets me... to go from 1 show worth watching to 2 shows worth watching, you'll need to up your package with another 30 awful channels for an additional $20 in MRC.

      And want to watch on another TV? That'll be another $5-10 a month.

      Oh and don't pick a movie from the on demand, you'll have to mortgage the house and you'll only have access for the next 24-48 hours.

  6. Simple... by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many fake reality shows. Way too many. Less Jersey Shore, Lady Hoggers, and the like, and it will be just fine.

  7. More control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is passive, they cannot measure the degree of effectiveness of their mass control initiatives, resulting in more time and money spent to repeat the message enough to guarantee assimilation. They want ways of getting feedback.

  8. simple - lack of control / options by forgottenusername · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should I pay for a bunch of channels and service I don't want?

    If they offered modular, on demand service I wouldn't have to monkey around with xbmc, encoding etc.

    Services like on-demand streaming of movies/tv where you pay exactly what you want are the future. The cable company can't let go of their monolithic 'screw you cuz we can & always have' thinking. Eventually they will go the way of the labels as far as monopoly via audio CD's - technology will evolve past them (already is/has) and they'll just be left waving their wizened fists angrily, struggling for relevance and trying to screw people over with control of cable internet.

  9. Country by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to see channels from any country, in any country.

    That's all.

  10. Mode and Complexity by Anrego · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Primarily the mode of delivery. It made sense that the internet would piggyback on existing infrastructure (cable and telephone) but the tables have now turned, and it would make more sense to piggyback TV on a line specifically meant for Internet (fiber).

    Complexity is an interesting one. Modern TVs are freaking complicated. My grandfathers set blew about 2 years ago so I helped get him a new one. Trying to find a larger screen TV that doesn’t require a geek to operate is pretty damn hard. There would seem to be a huge market for people that just want something you turn on, change volume, change channel, turn off. Even if you get a geek (like me) to set it up for you, you still end up with either multiple remotes (one for TV/one for digital box, one for DVD player) or a just as complicated “smart remote” that kinda works.

    Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I haven’t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldn’t find a TV that supported this.

  11. Set-top boxes by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing most broken about TVs today is the blasted set-top box.

    Maybe in the living room it's ok to have an "entertainment center" with all sorts of electronic boxes wired together, and to have multiple remote controls, or spend $$ to buy something like a Logitech Harmony. But for every TV you've got?

    For the past few weeks Comcast has been putting the "You're not doing this right." messages on some channels on my TV. It looked like it might be merely "going digital", but last week I did a rescan on a digital TV, and didn't find the channels that warn. I'll rescan again Wednesday, after the switchover, but I'm not optimistic. So now the second TV (which actually is digital, unlike the "first TV") is about to need some sort of extra box, extra remote, and of course when the extra box is active we won't be able to get the broadcast HD channels without extra fiddling, etc. (Or we could spend more $$$ for an HD set-top box, etc.)

    THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

    Oh yeah, this upcoming change is going to break MythTV, or at least badly decrease its usefulness.

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    1. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

      I think you're so close on this one, but what's broken about TVs will not be fixed when the AppleTV supports CableCard, but when the AppleTV has no reason to support CableCard. In my view, the problem is the cable companies themselves, or rather the whole setup of having a "cable company".

      With digital video and the Internet working the way it does, why on earth should I be locked into a specific provider by my geographic location? Why should I need to buy/rent specific hardware for that provider? Why should that provider be broadcasting video on channels, where I'm locked into watching shows on specific channels in a specific order at a specific time of day?

      Now I won't be shocked if some people disagree with me here, but in my view, this is one of those things where things were developed at some point based on the restrictions at the time, but if you were building things today, you wouldn't design it this way. Like someone comes in and says:

      I have a great idea for a Netflix competitor. It's just like Netflix, but without a good recommendation engine, you have to watch things on our schedule, we force you to watch ads, and we force you into renting hardware instead of watching it on your regular set-top box. Oh, and the set-top boxes we provide are absolute crap, which makes browsing frustrating. And it's great that browsing is terrible, because you have to browse through a million terrible 'channels' of time-locked content looking for something to watch. And best of all, we'll charge 10 times as much as Netflix!

      Now image that. Who listens to that and says, "Oh, that's a great idea!"

  12. The only thing broken is almost everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The model itself.

    Originally it was said it'd be subsidized by ads. Try running a stopwatch during primetime...at least ten years ago you could get nearly 45% or more advertising in movies, and 30% plus in 30 minute specials.

    In theory--cable would cover this cost. Except instead you just get more channels with the same unsolicited bulk broadcast.

    To go away from that, you need...oh... pay per view. Costs as much as renting the fucking thing, plus delivery.

    Or you can get HBO or cinemax which at a minimum of about 15 a month is near worthless assuming you want to watch a movie once a week, but are only a 1 in 4 chance of enjoying any given movie.

    So you get to pay about $100 a month or more in order to have irrelevant ads slung at you. And then you have that nice awkward experience of sitting down to watch something with your parents when a 'little blue pill' commercial comes on. Or a public service announcement. Or somebody asking for my money to feed children so they can take their 80% administrative fee.

    Let's try to sum up the problems with TV:
        - too much advertisement
        - not enough relevant content
        - cable top boxes making it hard to space shift in my home
        - artificial difficulty in time and space shifting
        - viagra
        - inability to watch when I want
        - insufficient box office content
        - serials pushed all over the fucking place by sports
        - networks moving things to different times, days, or even other networks
        - reruns.
        - It's damned near impossible to get a tv guide in paper.
        - The digital tv guides don't work reliably unless you have a cable box (and those are hard to scan quickly since the boxes are slow)
        - Oh yeah, the boxes are slow
        - A thousand other things

    Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?

  13. The article has a major fundamental flaw. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A thing does not have to be "broken" in order for change/progress to be made. Telephones weren't "broken" when cellular phones were invented, and the horse drawn carriage wasn't "broken" when the automobile was invented. It isn't broken, companies are just trying to make money by making progress in a technology that people are interested in.

    1. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the way the summary frames the discussion (which I am assuming it gets from the article), both telephones and horse drawn carriages were "broken" at the times you specified. With horse drawn carriages there were two problems that automobiles solved. First, you had to fuel/feed your horse, even if you weren't going anywhere, an automobile you only have to fuel if you want to use it. Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking. As for telephones, people had to know specifically where you were and the number of the nearest telephone in order to get a hold of you. If you were someone who spent a good deal of time going from one place to another that made reaching you problematic.

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