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Kaspersky Quits BSA Over SOPA Support

First time accepted submitter Cmdrm writes with an article about Kaspersky Lab quitting the BSA over their (now lukewarm) support of SOPA. From the press release: "Kaspersky Lab would like to clarify that the company did not participate in the elaboration or discussion of the SOPA initiative and does not support it. Moreover, the company believes that the SOPA initiative might actually be counter-productive for the public interest, and decided to discontinue its membership in the BSA as of January 1, 2012.'"

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  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Didn't know The Boy Scouts of America had a dog in this fight.

    1. Re:Wow by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, now they're banned from going into the woods with strange men, ship-to-ship combat with pirates is their one hope of getting a decent badge. Just don't tell them that these aren't the pirates with ships, you'd break their hearts.

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  2. -1 for the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kaspersky, not fanatic/evil enough to fit in the BSA.

  3. "might?" by mellon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Might be counterproductive to the public interest? Wow, way to soft-peddle it.

    1. Re:"might?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Soft-peddle? Who cares. They QUIT the BSA because of it. It's better than saying:

        "Ohh, we don't like that they do this but we're still willing to pay our $$$$$/year to remain a member....but we really don't like what you're doing and we almost, kinda, sorta mean it!"

    2. Re:"might?" by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Might translation: we fear that SOPA might actually hit our bottom line.

      Kaspersky Lab makes big $$$ over "checking" the pirated/counterfeit content to be virus free, so hardly any surprise here.

  4. Bravo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kudos to Kaspersky for having a spine. SOPA is a sick, twisted power grab by big media, and their quitting the Business Software Alliance over it is a good thing IMO.

  5. Fuck the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Posted anonymously because I don't want the BSA on me. The BSA is a pack of lawyers who exploit vague legal definitions to extort people out of money. They destroy small businesses reguardless of weather or not they actually bough the software and they run some of the dirtiest campaigns I've ever seen. Just look up "BSA Rat out your boss"... Seriously? Anybody who destroys some company because they have a chip on their shoulder and are greedy should be blacklisted - if you don't like where you work you should quit not destroy someones dream and leave all your coworkers jobless.

    Fuck the BSA and anyone who ever took their side, Kapersky included.

    1. Re:Fuck the BSA by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just look up "BSA Rat out your boss"... Seriously? Anybody who destroys some company because they have a chip on their shoulder and are greedy should be blacklisted

      Considering how it seems US companies treat their workers, I'd say calling the BSA is many steps below going postal. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the same companies that do gross, systematic piracy are also equally willing to screw over their employees over pay and benefits. I figure the BSA are looking for disgruntled ex-workers with opinions ranging from "couldn't happen to a nicer company" to "f*ck you too". Besides while the BSA are a nasty bunch, having piracy-using companies undercut other companies ruins it for everybody else. I have a lot less sympathy for commercial users who use it to widen their profit margin...

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    2. Re:Fuck the BSA by anonymov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a) "Bosses who screw over their employess", "Bosses who pirate software" and "Bosses reported to BSA" are three intersecting sets, not the same set.

      b) It's not too difficult for a disgruntled ex-employee to put something unlicensed somewhere on company's system before going to BSA. Just gotta be careful not to get found out.

      c) And even when there's no licensing problems, BSA audit is one hell of a hassle.

    3. Re:Fuck the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BSA audit isn't just a hassle, it's intractable. Can you prove that you hold a license to absolutely every single piece of software on your computer? Even the libraries and third-party drivers bundled with Windows? Do you track every install and keep hard copies of every license?

      The BSA doesn't exist to fight piracy or advance the interests of its members. The BSA exists so a bunch of do-nothing law school graduates - remember, a lawyer is a person who practices law - can leech a living off of the companies and businesses that actually contribute to society.

    4. Re:Fuck the BSA by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Every small business I know that has survived a BSA audit has switched to OSS. I made a hefty salary doing that over the past 10 years helping small business do just that.

      Changing out the backend to OSS is the most painless for them. switching to OSS apps under windows get them a taste. IT'w when you set up a single machine with linux and show them it works (and you have more control so elf bowling cant get installed, yes I know you can do this under windows) is when they go "oh really!" and jump on that bandwagon.

      Some apps they cant walk away from windows, but their liability is significantly reduced by fixing the mess that Microsoft has with their server licensing. Most businesses are out of compliance with their server licenses, and that is where the BSA typically nails them.

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    5. Re:Fuck the BSA by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone smart will throw out ANYONE demanding anything if they dont have a warrant in hand. Most of the time the BSA shows up with rented local police so they look more official.

      If they do not have a warrant, throw them out, and instantly call the lawyers.

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    6. Re:Fuck the BSA by Kagetsuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      THIS! We were mainly OSS to begin with and that saved us, and we actually had all the boxes and receipts for everything else. But in the end after the BSA dropped their case we wiped everything and now every corporate machine is 100% OSS. I honestly hope they come after us again so we can just laugh at them. Fuckers.

  6. Pun time! by Shadyman · · Score: 4, Funny

    So would that make this a Sopa-Opera?

    1. Re:Pun time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      that's just sopa-thetic, it is

  7. Re:Difference between Europe and USA by fahlesr1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boy Scouts of America is a private organization and as such has the right to set requirements for membership. The Scout Law explicitly states that a scout is reverent. The Scout Oath states that a scout will "do my duty to God and my country." You can see how an atheist could not recite the Scout Law or the Oath with a clear conscious. The only way atheists could participate in Scouting would be if BSA changed the Law and the Oath, but neither of those things have changed since their adoption in 1911. To change them would be to compromise the principles on which Scouting was founded.

    As far as pushing Mormonism, this is the first I've ever heard of it. I am an Eagle Scout and have been very active in the Scouting community for the last 20 years or so. While Scouting makes a big deal about being reverent, they do not push any specific denomination. There are no religious requirements for advancement through the ranks. My troop was filled with a hodgepodge of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics and a few others. Scout camp chapels were all non-denominational (though a few of the larger camps had chapels by denomination) and very general.

    There was no religious agenda being pushed upon any of us.

    As far as the gays issue, would you want your daughter going on an overnight girlscout trip led by a male leader? Its the same issue. I know most gays are good people who wouldn't harm anyone, but don't pretend they are all saints. There is, at the very least, a perception issue and at the worst there is a legitimate safety issue for the boys in the troop.

    BSA is a great organization that does a lot for boys and for this country. Every Eagle Scout has to do a service project that benefits his community. These are no small things, they typically require a few hundred man hours and get the scout's whole troop involved. They can't be done for Scouts or on Scout owned land. Every boy, to advance in the higher ranks, must hold a leadership position in the troop for at least 3 months. They learn how to work together, how to plan a camping trip, how to prepare for emergencies, basic first aid. Many boys have found their vocation through merit badges such as Environmental Science, Radio, Emergency Preparedness, Music or even Computers.

    You can disagree with BSA's morals or with their admissions requirements or whatever. But please, don't demonize an organization that has done so much good and that is well within its rights to determine these policies you find disagreeable.

  8. Ouch. by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know you've taken your censorship too far when the Russians are telling you to dial it down.

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  9. Re:Difference between Europe and USA by Raenex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then again, if people were to go around saying 2 + 2 = 5, or that the world is flat, and if acknowledgment of these positions was taught to children and practically required by politicians running for office, and historically used to enforce dogma on others and hold back science...

    Then wouldn't people be justified in speaking out? For fuck's sake, it's 2011, and we've got people killing and enslaving each other over mythology. I say it's about time that we grow up and kill and enslave each other over legitimate reasons.