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US Launches Virtual Embassy For Iran

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from a report at Al Jazeera "The administration of U.S. President Barack Obama has launched a virtual embassy for Iran in what it said was a bid to promote dialogue with the Iranian people in the absence of formal diplomatic ties. The web-based embassy went online on Tuesday in English and Farsi, offering visitors what it described as 'another perspective' for Iranians who 'remain hungry for information about the United States.' 'This website is not a formal diplomatic mission, nor does it represent or describe a real U.S. embassy accredited to the Iranian government,' the U.S. state department said in an introductory note. 'But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.'"

174 comments

  1. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's an eEmbassy?

    1. Re:So by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, but not always.

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    2. Re:So by kanto · · Score: 1

      It's an eEmbassy?

      Or a Nukebook maybe?

  2. In future news.. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

    1. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to read the title first. I know it's annoying, but Moheeheeko doesn't seem to.

    2. Re:In future news.. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      after tracking who connects to it for awhile and arresting them all...

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    3. Re:In future news.. by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, President Michelle Bachmann has closed it.

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    4. Re:In future news.. by mfnickster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Worse than that, Iranian hackers stormed the Virtual Embassy and took 52 user accounts hostage.

      Obama is rumored to have ordered a strike team assembled from the top elite US Battlefield 2 soldiers, to stage a daring rescue in high-polygon-count Virtual Blackhawk helicopters.

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    5. Re:In future news.. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Battlefield 2 ? Man, I figured our military to be up to date with all the money we spend on it.

    6. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      In better future news, the US opens virtual embassies for all countries and dramatically reduces the number of bureaucrats taxpayers have to pay to sit in overseas offices.

    7. Re:In future news.. by mfnickster · · Score: 2

      This is not a job for rookies, soldier! We need L337 battle-hardened players. :)

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    8. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure soon it'll redirect to peyvandha.ir

      If you wanted a real "bridge" how about doing something about the blocking of international public, free vpn / proxy services in Iran

    9. Re:In future news.. by cashman73 · · Score: 2

      Please don't scare us by using the term, "President Michelle Bachmann",. . .

    10. Re:In future news.. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Worse than that, Iranian hackers stormed the Virtual Embassy and took 52 user accounts hostage.

      Obama is rumoured to have ordered a strike team assembled from the top elite US Battlefield 2 soldiers, to stage a daring rescue in high-polygon-count Virtual Blackhawk helicopters.

      Operation Shitcock was launched on October 22 2013.

      It was doomed to failure from the start as 3 of the team members went off in their own direction calling the rest of the team "nubs", the rear most member shot the next two in the back and was kicked. The team commander sat in the helicopter motionless and not saying anything before the final member wandering into machine gun fire and claiming the Iranians were Haxxxor Noobs.

      Within 36 minutes of launch, the entire squad was dead and complaining.

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    11. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Within 36 minutes of launch, the entire squad was dead and complaining.

      36 minutes? Geez. Just upgrade your system already. Must have looked like a fucking slideshow.

    12. Re:In future news.. by RegularJim · · Score: 1

      Please don't scare us by using the term, "President Michelle Bachmann",. . .

      Quantum immortality. Iran gets The Bomb, hits DC, she's the only one left and one parallel universe gets, incredibly, even worse.

    13. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A posthumous Medal for Bravery was awarded to Pvt. Leeroy Jenkins, who charged into a hail of enemy fire whilst the rest of the team was trying to coordinate the attack.

      Jenkins is survived by a moron wife and 2 idiot children. He was archived at Arlington.gov Digital Cemetary, where his headerstone reads "At Least I Have Chicken."

    14. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

      ..Iran has blocked the Virtual Embassy for the entire nation.

    15. Re:In future news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well looks like you called it correctly. Iran appears to have already blocked it barely a day later.

      Multiple source for your browsing pleasure:
      NYT: Iran Blocks American ‘Virtual Embassy’
      Radio Free Europe: Iran Blocks U.S. 'Virtual Embassy'
      LA Times: Access to U.S. 'virtual embassy' blocked in Iran
      Fox News: Iran Blocks New U.S. 'Virtual Embassy'

    16. Re:In future news.. by mpe · · Score: 1

      In better future news, the US opens virtual embassies for all countries and dramatically reduces the number of bureaucrats taxpayers have to pay to sit in overseas offices.

      That might happen in fiction. More likely both the number of bureaucrats and the costs would dramatically increase.

    17. Re:In future news.. by forsetti · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:In future news.. by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Was this meant as a joke? It was one of the first comments, but it really was blocked/closed from being accessed in Iran shortly after launch.

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  3. Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bachmann says we should shut this down, too.

    1. Re:Shut it down by Morky · · Score: 1

      Well now, if Bachmann says so, it must be the right thing to do.

    2. Re:Shut it down by Morky · · Score: 1

      I should have googled Bachmann on this before I commented. That's funny.

    3. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bachmann says we should shut this down, too.

      I had to google to find out the reference too.... What the parent is referring to

      And we're dealing with all of this because Iran had a democratically elected government that the US didn't like, installed the Shah who was just like Saddam Hussein and the people hated it so they overthrew the Shah and some opportunistic oppressive Islamic clergy stepped in and made Iran a theocracy that hates the US instead of just being cold.

      Now, some loony tunies (Fox News watchers) are saying we'll never have peace with Iran because they are a rogues state whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel. Of course it never occurred to them that Iran is just taking big to gain support from other parts of the World that hate the US also.

      Yes, I know, BUT ISRAEL IS THREATENED! They're our ALLY! whatever. Don't give a shit. And with allies like that, who the fuck needs enemies.

    4. Re:Shut it down by kodiaktau · · Score: 1

      Typical political response from Bachmann (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69492.html)

    5. Re:Shut it down by nedwidek · · Score: 1

      It's only funny because at this point the polls show her as having no chance.

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    6. Re:Shut it down by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      US sets up another propaganda/disinfo channel.

      Iranians are much more aware of America and life in the US than vice versa. Americans imagine some weird, gulf-state with face covering and camels.

      Not this:
      http://tehranlive.org/

      Tehran has a better claim on 1st-world status that does Detroit.

      Despite their current Government, Iranians live freer and are better connected to Europe and the US than are the people in "democratic ally" states like Uzbekistan!

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    7. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Iranians live freer and are better connected to Europe and the US than are the people in "democratic ally" states like Uzbekistan!

      Yeah, if you're the correct gender and religion. It's a lot better than many of its neighbors, but your gushing praise here is a tad overboard and rosy tinted.

    8. Re:Shut it down by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      I just think it's especially funny because it's not so hypothetical anymore! Oooh, burrn!

    9. Re:Shut it down by rwa2 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but at least it's a start... hopefully it'll lead to more engagement.

      At least the muslims had the decency to send clerics to study and write about Western society (sometime around the 50s) before concluding that it was hopelessly corrupt and disengaging from it.

      Sometimes it seems like we just thought we needed a third leg for our little axis-o'-evil metaphor.

      Hopefully we'll still sort of find our way to their good side once they shed off the clowns acting as their leaders... most of our overreactions to him just seems to legitimize his criticisms :-P

    10. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you fail to realize just how crappy places like Uzbekistan actually are. Iran is a much better place to live than most former Soviet States by far regardless of religion or gender. Discrimination based on religion and gender isn't anything unique to Muslim countries either; such discrimination defines life in the US for millions of people. I grew up in the US and discrimination is a fact of life here. The fact that it is so widespread and prevalent here is the main reason why Americans tend to be so hypersensitive about the issue. Oh, but let's not look at the facts, let's just condemn foreign cultures.

    11. Re:Shut it down by Bucky24 · · Score: 2

      Americans imagine some weird, gulf-state with face covering and camels.

      Heh. I have to admit, that is what I think of when I think of Iran. Guess I'd better do some research.

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    12. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm sure homosexuals feel extremely free in iran

    13. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Iran had a democractically elected government? How can Shah be oppresive when there were democracy in Iran then? Mossadegh was appointed by the Shah, he was not elected. The US did not install the Shah, the Shah was against USA in many points, and had relationship with communist nations too.

      There are many people who believe that the US staged a revolution in Iran 1979 to remove the Shah and install islamic government in order to 1) destroy the nation, as Iran was progressing a lot during the Shah, and 2) act as a barrier against communism. There are of course many other points, and this can be dicussed forever.

      All I am saying is stop being so blind. The only source of Operation Ajax is CIA. How trustworthy is CIA? How come people on slashdot mistrust CIA on a lot of things, but when it comes to this - they must have right?

      Stop being blind. Thanks.

    14. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we can't condemn religiously driven, government backed discrimination because some individual US citizens are bigots? I certainly disagree there.

      I think anti-US propaganda has great value for aspiring Iranian politicians. The US doesn't care about much in the middle east, for better and for worse. (Except Israel of course.) By Iran pushing the nuclear issue, its politicians and government can make the US into a big evil idea, and they know we're tired of war and won't back up any demands with force, so Iranian politicians can safely lead the society to spit on US flags and be proud and angry together. And give firm support for those anti-US leaders. Generating power by creating a boogeyman for everyone to hate together is a great way to give a 'gracious leader' tremendous power--just ask Europe how that works.

      But, issues aside, I really am glad Iran is trying to become a modern, first world society, and I hope the Muslim countries are able to make great progress in the coming decades. Furthermore, I really hope one of the countries with a new government will be able to establish a good model for the others that allows the cultures to make their religion an asset instead of allowing it to impair their concepts of equality for the long term future. England structured India's government that way, and it seemed to work fairly well.

    15. Re:Shut it down by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      What religion do you feel bears hardship in Iran?
      Baha'i yes. Sufi muslims, yes.

      I can't think of many others. Iran is home to tens of thousands of prosperous Jews and Christians

      Women have always enjoyed relatively high-status. They make up a better proportion of university professors, doctoral-level researchers and mid-level executives than say, the United States.

      In Israel, women are being segregated to their own section on public transit! Such a ridiculous situation never existed in Iran, even in the height of the revolution.

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    16. Re:Shut it down by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      So we can't condemn religiously driven, government backed discrimination because some individual US citizens are bigots? I certainly disagree there.

      Disagree? So does Hillary Clinton.

      US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced deep concern on Saturday over a wave of anti-democratic legislation in Israel and in particular a bill proposing to limit donations to human rights organizations. Clinton also criticized the growing exclusion of women from Israel's public life.

      In a closed session at the Saban Forum attended both by Israeli and American decision-makers Clinton addressed the issue of discrimination against Israeli women. She expressed concern for Israel's social climate in the wake of limitations on female public singing and gender segregation on public transport....

      Clinton, a longtime advocate for women's rights, noted she was shocked at the fact that some Jerusalem buses have assigned separate seating areas for women. "It's reminiscent of Rosa Parks," she said, referring to the black American woman who refused to give up her seat to white passengers in the 1950s.

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4156562,00.html

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    17. Re:Shut it down by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Freer than Singapore, all things considered... And they can chew gum there, too. It's called "Adams" - after the famous American brand.

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    18. Re:Shut it down by MimeticLie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every statement you made was false.

      Prior to 1953, Iran was a constitutional monarchy. Mohammad Mosaddegh was not appointed by the Shah, as you claim, but elected by the Iranian parliament. The Shah also wasn't nearly as independent as you claim; his deference to the United States was part of what led to his eventual ouster. He also wasn't supportive of communism. The communist party of Iran (which supported the nationalization of Iran's oil industry during Mosaddegh's time as Prime Minister) was banned by the Shah. The Soviets even tried to assassinate him, according to defectors.

      As for the sources relating to Operation Ajax being from the CIA, well yeah. It was a CIA operation, who else should have known about it? But it didn't occur in a vacuum. The UK wanted Mosaddegh overthrown (remember who owned the oil industry that Mosaddegh wanted to nationalize). So your version of the story is what? That the Shah staged a coup coincidentally at the same time that the UK wanted the US to do the same thing, and the CIA then faked documents taking credit for it? Yeah, sure.

    19. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tehran has a better claim on 1st-world status that does Detroit.

      Who claimed Detroit has first world status?

    20. Re:Shut it down by cavreader · · Score: 0

      Please tell me exactly what specific actions the US did to install the Shah? Threaten to nuke them if they didn't? Threaten invasion? Stop investing money? Assassinate the existing head of state and his supporters? What they most likely did was offer money in the guise of trade deals to the Iranians who wanted to take over the government. The Iranians could have refused the money. It was the Iranians themselves who were responsible for their change in government. Also keep in mind that at the time it was England who was fighting to keep their oil assets from being nationalized by Iran. It was England who threatened a naval blockade to prevent Iranian oil exports and issued other not so subtle threats. The US had relatively little interest in Iran at the time since they had their hands full in Korea. Iran, like all the middle eastern countries are England's baby. They are the ones who went around drawing up country boarders based upon their relationships with the Arab leaders at the time.

    21. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mossadegh affair happened in 1953, that's no excuse for what they did to the embassy in 1979

    22. Re:Shut it down by farble1670 · · Score: 0

      Not this:
      http://tehranlive.org/ [tehranlive.org]

      so a few pictures of semi-skyscraper buildings and colorful lights proves tehran, and the rest of iran, is first world? you could go to almost any nation in the world and take a few selective photos and make it look like a place where we'd all like to settle down with our families.

    23. Re:Shut it down by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I think you fail to realize just how crappy places like Uzbekistan actually are.

      sorry, i missed where anyone was claiming that iraq is the worst place on earth.

      Discrimination based on religion and gender isn't anything unique to Muslim countries either; such discrimination defines life in the US for millions of people.

      difference: discrimination based on gender / religion isn't state sanctioned in the USA. i realize that discrimination happens at all levels of US society, but at least we declare at an official level that it's wrong (and illegal). that's a pretty good first step, and it's light years ahead of iraq.

    24. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What religion do you feel bears hardship in Iran?

      Former Muslims?

      Iran is home to tens of thousands of prosperous Jews and Christians

      None of whom are former Muslims, because in Iran the penalty for apostasy is death.

    25. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Confusing Iran and Iraq? I thought slashdotters were supposed to be better than this.

    26. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me you're joking.

      In Iran, it is illegal for a woman to walk around with her head uncovered.

      In Iran, the woman can only initiate a divorce if her husband signs a prenuptial agreement beforehand allowing such.

      In Iran, strict quotas are maintained on the number of women allowed into certain professions, including those university professors and doctoral-level researchers you are so fond of.

      Need I go on?

    27. Re:Shut it down by mjwx · · Score: 1

      What religion do you feel bears hardship in Iran?
      Baha'i yes. Sufi muslims, yes.

      I can't think of many others. Iran is home to tens of thousands of prosperous Jews and Christians

      This,

      Americans understand so little about Iran despite the largest Iranian population outside of Iran living in California (They're Persians, so they look and sound like like (white) Europeans).

      Persian Christian and Jews who were always passive minority religions in Iran were pretty much untouched. The Islamic Revolution targeted the popular religions such as Baha'i and Zoroastrians. I've met few Iranian Muslims, but I know a few Baha'i and Zoroastrians.

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    28. Re:Shut it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no. Your statements are wrong.

      1) Iran was a constitutional monarchy even after 1953, until 1979.

      2) Mossadegh was appointed by the Shah. I trust the Iranian constitution from that time more than what a teenager boy with pimples wrote on Wikipedia based on CIA facts.

      3) The Shah was actually very independant. Read some books from the other side of the story to see how it really was, instead of listening to what your "great nation" tells you. For example the Shah had a lot of problems with the US regarding oil prices, sale of arms etc. Look up youtube clips of interviews with him where he attacks west. A puppet does not attack its master.

      4) The Shah was not supportive of communism, when did I say that?

      5) The communist "party" was banned because they were not a party, but a terrorist organization. In this world today we can see nations banning a lot of parties and organizations. No nations allow agressive violent "party" to exist...

      6) The only way you know USA and UK wanted to do that, again, is articles from CIA. How can you trust an intelligence agency where one of its duties is to spread disinformation and lies? It is funny how in matters that are "good" for you, you suddenly see CIA as the worlds most trustworthy source, but otherwise no.

      One of the reasons they would lie about this is to miscredit the Shah. Again, read some books to understand what happened behind the curtains.

      A good start for neutral, factual books:

      * The Other Side of the Story: King of Kings Mohammad Reza PAHLAVI Iby Tabrizi, Ahmad Kasravi

      * The Last Shah of Iran - By Houchang Nahavandi

      * The life and times of the Shah By Gholam R. Afkhami

      * Jimmy Carter, The Liberal Left and World Chaos by Mike Evans

        A tip: Next time when you are in a debate, bringing up Wikipedia makes you look stupid. Wikipedia is not a bad place, but when it comes to controversial issues, Wikipedia is not a good place.

    29. Re:Shut it down by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Nice troll.

      (The segregated buses exist at the request of ultra-right wing religious Jews, aka customers of the private bus company, who can't be bothered with sanity. The soldiers who left when females started to sing were simply following their religion. They were not imposing on anyone else. Last I heard, the US supported freedom of religion.)

    30. Re:Shut it down by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Jews in Iran do not publicize their Jewishness because they are afraid of being noticed. While Islam technically is tolerant of non-Muslims, in practice there is little tolerance. I do not know about Christians, but there are not 10s of thousands of (practicing) Jews.

      In Israel, private bus companies are listening to their customers and offering segregated buses. I think those customers are crazy, bat-shit insane, but you know what? Women voluntarily ride those buses. Nothing about this situation is State-sponsored or even endorsed. It is purely a private matter between a private corp and its customers. In the US, that's encouraged. Why is it evil in Israel?

    31. Re:Shut it down by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      US sets up another propaganda/disinfo channel.

      Iranians are much more aware of America and life in the US than vice versa. Americans imagine some weird, gulf-state with face covering and camels.

      Not this:
      http://tehranlive.org/

      Tehran has a better claim on 1st-world status that does Detroit.

      Despite their current Government, Iranians live freer and are better connected to Europe and the US than are the people in "democratic ally" states like Uzbekistan!

      Sure they do!

      Can you please post a second link with pictures from last year's riots where Iranian citizens were raped and beaten by their country's special police?

      Then post a third link showing the life of a shepherd outside of urban Tehran. Maybe we'll see some camels and face coverings there.

  4. Self destructing server by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    So while the server have a self destruct button with the thermite option for the disks? The government gets all the best toys, surely they can order this from their vendor...

  5. that was fast by P-niiice · · Score: 1

    welp, that didn't take long.

  6. Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because I know the first place I go when I want to know about a foreign country is their embassy. I'm sure the members of that institution are COMPLETELY unbiased about the country they're representing. Talk about an empty gesture. A spy plane gets shot down over their airspace, and the response is an e-embassy? I'm sure that'll sway the masses!

    1. Re:Really? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Don't be such a cynic: All we have to do is turn our simmering cloak-and-dagger back and forth into a nail-biting tower defense flash game. The internet kiddies love that stuff.

      We'll get whoever did Plants vs. Zombies to provide a strategic, but visually lighthearted, take on current events with "MQ-9 Tower Defense". As long as nobody finds out that anybody who achieves a High Score has their location forwarded to Mossad for a special prize ceremony, it'll be heartwarmingly popular!

    2. Re:Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no evidence of this.

      Really? You mean besides the US admitting to it?

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16043626

    3. Re:Really? by fsckmnky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given that all governments, some of the time, tell lies and use the tactic of propaganda, how can one arbitrarily choose which government is telling the truth 100% and the other 0% ?

      The story of the link you pasted, has the US admitting to losing a drone near the Afghanistan border. This does not equate to an admission that a drone was shot down after violating Iranian airspace, unless the person reading the story has an extreme emotional bias.

      From all accounts thus far, it seems likely 1) the US has lost a drone and 2) the Iranian authorities probably have it. That's it.

      The story will continue to unfold, and any admissions from either side, will most likely be designed to benefit the side from which they originate. Choosing 1 side of the story as absolute fact, and the other as absolute falsehood, ignores the larger truth of the issue and the realities of politics.

    4. Re:Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 2

      You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game to attempt to distract from the fact you were blatently wrong. There IS evidence. Whether it is sufficiently conclusive is up to the reader to decide. Your paragraph diatribe doesn't change the fact you were wrong, sorry.

    5. Re:Really? by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      So in your opinion, it's perfectly alright for intelligent rational thinking individuals to embrace propaganda and repeat it based on their individual preference for the outcome of a particular event, as opposed to, seeking the truth behind an event, such that everyone may learn from it ?

    6. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game...

      So, I'm guessing the semantics game he is playing is claiming that by specifically stating the drone was shot down 'near the Afghanistan border', the article instead actually meant 'near the Afghanistan border'?

      Ohhhh... I see. Tricky bastard.

    7. Re:Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 2

      You mean propaganda like "there's no evidence of this" when there's evidence of it? You might as well be working for the United States department of misinformation. Claiming no evidence when it's punching you in the face is about as useful to a rational discussion as claiming there were no dinosaurs.

      And then top top it all off, you turn around and claim you were just trying to make people see both sides of the story? OK Sarah Palin.

    8. Re:Really? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1
      Well, if you bothered to RTFA, and it's citations, you'd know that it said it was in Iran, not the Afghanistan border.

      U.S. officials tell NBC that CIA operators were flying the unmanned drone when it veered out of control and headed deep into Iran. The drone eventually ran out of fuel and crashed in Iran's remote mountains.

      The only thing that was up for discussion is whether it crashed or was shot down, which is semantics. It doesn't really matter whether it was shot down or crashed, it was violating Iran's airspace.

    9. Re:Really? by Pecisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And this is reason not to hear their (in this case US) point of view? As Iran's regime actively twists information about US to their society, it is quite understandable that US wants to push their POV to be more widely avaible for Persians. It is not that you have to agree or have to take anything they say as truth. Just listen to different sources and make up your own mind about events.

      As we know, flow of open, unbiased information (and unchanged correctly reported POV from all sides is part of this information) is a basis of any democratic society. Yes, we in West struggle with main media agendas, manipulation, etc. But we still have a choice and we can get information directly from the sources (with the help of Internet). So US feels that they should inform Persians directly about their opinion - good. Iran regime still can do the same. Independent journalism can scrutinize US claims in their info stream.

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    10. Re:Really? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      You said there was no evidence, I provided a link proving otherwise. Now you're playing the semantics game to attempt to distract from the fact you were blatently wrong.

      You are absolutely right - there is some evidence for it and he is playing the semantics game. But you should give him some credit in the first place - slashdot is a place where people write conversationally, not formally and absolute statements are often made for brevity and simplicity rather than a way of drawing a line and challenging someone to cross it.

      The discussion escalated into obfuscation - and the moderation hasn't helped because many people won't ever see the post he was responding to, and without that context it becomes a significantly different conversation.

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    11. Re:Really? by Galestar · · Score: 2

      Face it, he got you. You were wrong, there was *some* evidence. Now stop posting you look like a moron.

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    12. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government admits it crashed, not that it was shot down. Learn to read. FYI: Whenever one of our aircraft crashes in the ME someone always claims to have shot it down.

    13. Re:Really? by fsckmnky · · Score: 0

      From now on, I will check with the both of you, before I intentionally fan one side of the flames or the other. I see my mistake now, and it was quite foolish of me to attempt to remove some of the fuel.

    14. Re:Really? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      open, unbiased information

      Whatever makes you think there'll be any of that at the eEmbassy?

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    15. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut up you blithering idiot.

    16. Re:Really? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Really? You mean besides the US admitting to it?

      you didn't *just* post evidence, you posted a claim with supporting evidence. i don't know for sure what the other guy was thinking, but i guess he's responding to your claim that the US admitted to it (iran downing a spy drone). see above for your quote. your evidence does not support that claim.

    17. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      open, unbiased information

      What makes you think such a thing exists (outside of technical fields)?

      That being said, having access to news from another viewpoint allows for greater understanding of what the issues actually are.

      I entirely approve of it, especially when that viewpoint is likely to be similar to my own. Allowing other people to see, even if they don't agree, with my perspective is a good thing.

    18. Re:Really? by cavreader · · Score: 1

      The US admitted that a drone did crash due to mechanical failure while operating in Afghanistan. The Iranians have announced several times that they have downed a US drone but have never provided any proof. If they really have a US drone now why don't they release just 1 picture? The drone they are claiming they shot down was an unarmed recon version. The technology in these types of drones are hardly secret and even if Iran was able to build a drone with the same capabilities they will still need more than one low end satellite to control it. The US can slag the Iranian air defense system any time they want. Libya and Iraq spared no expense in building their air defenses with top of the line Russian, French, and Chinese technology and it still only took a few days for the US to destroy their systems. The US is the world leader, by a large margin, in having the ability to neutralize air defenses with minimal or any losses.

    19. Re:Really? by phil_aychio · · Score: 0

      How do we know this just wasn't a stripped down drone to see how far one could make it into Iran? Pretty clever release from the US gov - "Uhh, we lost it, but it was headed that way..." We don't just lose drones like that...it was an intentional test of their anti-aircraft defenses.

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  7. And? by Morky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like a Voice of America type thing. No big deal.

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a link to Voice of America on the main page :)

      Voice of America = some of the stupidest propaganda I've ever heard. I'm not pro-regime, but VOA is shamefully bad. I know an Iranian guy who listens to it to get his news, and he seriously believes that for months now Israel has been attacking Iran with "lasers". I'm not joking.

  8. I'm not an actual embassy... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but I play one on the web.

  9. How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks for the nice embassy, US, but how about not toppling democratically elected governments in the first place, mmmkay?

    "The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-RezÄ ShÄh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

    1. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

    2. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      1953 was 58 years ago. What are the odds the people in office in 1953 are still in office and that nothing has changed since ?

    3. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      As the great Tom Lehrer noted, speaking of the assorted benighted non-Americans of the world: "They've got to be protected, all their rights respected, 'till somebody we like can be elected!"*

      * Availability of protection, respect, rights, and even the pretense of an election, at participating franchises only. Individual results may vary. Terms and conditions apply; Geneva convention may not.

    4. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's obviously Bush's fault.

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    5. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While ignoring the larger chess game being played 60 years ago, only focus on one pawn and how butt hurt it now is.

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    6. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      The ghost of Richard Nixon will turn up in many strange places...

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    7. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      The ghost of Richard Nixon will turn up in many strange places...

      Yeah, I hate it when that happens.

    8. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

      Yeah, much better to forget about things that happened that long ago. Then we can (re)do all our mistakes and so can our kids for generations to come.

    9. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

      Yeah, but, you know, if the UK and US hadn't orchestrated the coup to overthrow the *democratically elected* government for the sake of oil, then the other crazies hadn't risen to power amidst popular disgust for the Shah of the US and UK. And these are the crazies in power still. So, yes, it's been a long time, but it's only been 2 regimes.

      The point is that many of the Iranian people may not like their religious dictators, but they also don't like the US. ...or maybe they are beginning to forget? Maybe Iranians are ready to hang with the Great Satan in his electronic embassy. As someone who has heard of recent history, the whole thing seems kinda tacky, though.

    10. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

    11. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by gknoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For that pawn (or, more accurately, the citizens living in it), the degree of hurting is absolutely relevant to them, and their opinion of us as a nation.

    12. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      If U.S. leaders consequently apologized for that and never tried it again, it would be done and forgotten.

      Instead, the same repeated "... but he's our bastard" pattern was seen in other countries.

    13. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      I should care about their opinion why? What are they going to do that they aren't already doing? If they want to be reasoned with, they should start by being reasonable. As things stand now the only reasoning they are likely to get is in the form of guided munitions.

      Do they care about my opinion?

      Bring on Stuxnet v2.0.

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    14. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Reading your statement, I became confused... are you talking about Iranians or Americans?

    15. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

      Victims tend to be mad about crimes for a longer time that the criminals. Are you different from every human I have ever met in this regard?

      It has been less than 30 years since the US armed Iraq with chemical weapons which everyone knew would be used on Iranian soldiers. The US has invaded and occupied two of Iran's neighbors for most of the last decade. The idea that every bad thing the US has done to Iran is in the distant past is a stunning refusal to see reality.

      I assume you live in the US. If not, substitute your own country.

      Suppose a country used its military and economic strength to prop up brutal dictatorships in Canada, Mexico, Cuba, and Jamaica. They did the same to the US, but a revolution kicked out their preferred tyrant in the US sixty years ago. Since then, they have used military threats and economic sanctions to prevent the US from having a military that can resist an invasion. The US had a war with Canada in the 80s, and this power gave the Canadians chemical weapons to use against the US. When Canada went out of favor, this country invaded Canada.

      How would you feel about that country? Would you say the person who claimed the US was "fretting about things that happened 60 years ago" a stupid person, or the stupidest person to ever live?

    16. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      That would be a fine sentiment, if the game weren't still on.

    17. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by tftp · · Score: 1

      What are the odds the people in office in 1953 are still in office

      The USA is not a dictatorship where everything depends on the will of one man. The USA is ruled by the immortal collective of politicians. Old politicians die, young politicians enter, but the "hive mind" remains the same. This can be easily seen from the fact that the US policy hasn't changed substantially since 1900's.

    18. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 1

      I can not believe that I got a +4 Insightful for that.

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    19. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like parking some ICBMs on a small island within a few hundred miles of the continental US? Because I think some people are still a bit grumpy about that.

    20. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

      "Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." Winston Churchill

    21. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Let's fret about things that happened 60 years ago.

      Yes, who cares about Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust? Let alone the crucifixion of Jesus or the evolution of homo sapiens.

      Those in power generally like to think that "history is bunk". After all, history has put them in the driving seat, and they don't want any action replays or adverse rulings from the referee.

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    22. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I can not believe that I got a +4 Insightful for that.

      I can. Maybe there are even slashdot bots that mod up anything with the phrase, "Bush's fault" in it.
      In which case, I should be modded up now too! ;-D

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    23. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      To clarify:

      In the past, the US government has meddled in the political affairs of Iran, apparently out of fear of communism. (?) I don't even quite understand why we did, but basically we helped depose an elected leader, installed a government that we liked but the citizens didn't, and which was later overthrown by the precursors of the current regime. Our (US) meddling left a very sour taste in their mouth.

      To dismiss that as saying, "well you guys (Iran) were only one pawn of many that we did that to" belittles the fact that if you are an Iranian citizen, you have a pretty concrete set of nearly indefensible offenses that the US has done to your country. Don't claim that that's irrelevant, because for the people that live there (Iran) it's very relevant. We should not forget that it matters to them, because their feelings in the matter are a core reason for some of the ways they (and others) behave towards us (the US).

    24. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The Russians desperately wanted a warm water port. They almost got one. We did what we had to do. There was a cold war on.

      Fast forward 60 years. Iran has been our stated enemy for 35 years. Why should we care what they think? First we defeat them, then we start to care.

      In the mean time we do what we have to do to keep them from building a nuke. If that means half their country winds up uninhabitable, I'm OK with that.

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    25. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that the idea didn't make sense at the time, merely that it's rather silly for us to be wondering why they hate us. :)

    26. Re:How about not toppling democratic governments? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The game is still on, they are still a pawn.

      In go terms they are surrounded and only have one eye. I hope they don't force anybody to play out the whole 'nuke them till they glow' end game.

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  10. slashdotted already? by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

    slashdotted already? Oh here I got a cut and paste for my friends here:

    Why Virtual Embassy Tehran?

    Its harder to take hostages online, and our current prez Jimmy Carter the Second doesn't want to redo that, although he seems cool with "StagFlation II the adventure continues".

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton Video Remarks to Virtual Embassy Tehran

    "We have outlawed Tehran and the bombing begins in five minutes". Oh wait that was Ronnie's microphone test line from three decades ago. Well, different day, same old scare tactic to maintain control.

    Former Iranian Embassy

    Earlier this year, the State Department provided essential repairs for the former Iranian Embassy in Washington, DC, which was closed in 1980, to ensure the safety of mechanical, electrical, plumbing systems, and auditory and visual bugging and monitoring systems, along with an extensive array of external CCTV cameras monitored by the FBI. Also installed geiger counters for your protection.

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    1. Re:slashdotted already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earlier this year, the State Department provided essential repairs for the former Iranian Embassy in Washington, DC, which was closed in 1980, to ensure the safety of mechanical, electrical, plumbing systems, and auditory and visual bugging and monitoring systems, along with an extensive array of external CCTV cameras monitored by the FBI. Also installed geiger counters for your protection.

      Dude, really? You're complaining about spying activities at embassies? It's an accepted practice, everyone does it to everybody else, and therefore everybody takes necessary precautions (which includes dissemination of disinformation when you know somebody is listening). Embassy jobs is where intelligence agents who have been outed get, so that they can do intelligence exchanges.

      No nation makes a big deal out of intelligence activities at embassies because they don't want the unspoken agreement that it's OK to do it to suddenly disappear.

  11. Hm... Completely new place to shout: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Americans go home!

    1. Re:Hm... Completely new place to shout: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The virtual flag burning link and the 'Contact the great Satan' link don't work.

    2. Re:Hm... Completely new place to shout: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  12. Virtual Invasion by lemur3 · · Score: 2

    is this part of some sort of psyops mission ?

    1. Re:Virtual Invasion by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      is this part of some sort of psyops mission ?

      I misread that as sysops for a second...

    2. Re:Virtual Invasion by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      They really need to get better psychological operations managers. The ones we have now are pretty pathetic.

  13. You want this to be interesting... by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Put links to founders of the "Middle East Spring" movement. Add virtual links to American and European Persian supporters and business people. links to leaders in the American Muslim movement. Make this resource a combination; "Open Hand", "Information Clearing House" for liberal and moderate Persian ideology, A celebration of Persian culture and a clear commitment from the west to be ready for and open to dialog to empower the future of a free, democratic and peaceful Iran.

    Of course at the same time, we need to have "Come home to Moses" talk with Israel about changing their stance to one of causing peace in the Middle East instead of undermining it. There are so many brilliant Israeli people, who want an end to hostility, and are more than willing to work out coexistence. The ongoing growth of illegal settlements only destroy options and nail the future to rails that lead to inevitable violence and ultimately the genocide of Palestine. Certainly there must be a better answer.

    Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

    1. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

      They have no interest in that. And I, as US citizen, have no interest in making their lives any easier. They made their choice in 1979, let them starve to death because of it. And end up with one of the most irresponsible, corrupt and ruthless governments in the world as an example to others of any religion seeking to impose a theocracy anywhere.

    2. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about Iran or the USA? Becuase I am pushing shit up hill to see the difference

    3. Re:You want this to be interesting... by halivar · · Score: 2

      Demonstrations in the streets in the last few years indicate many people do have an interest in that. And they didn't choose jack-shit in 1979, their parents did.

      Not saying we should or could do anything about it, just trying to add some perspective to the idea that not all Iranians deserve to get screwed over.

    4. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demonstrations in the streets in the last few years indicate many people do have an interest in that. And they didn't choose jack-shit in 1979, their parents did.

      A minority of rich brats throwing stones at police in the urban areas do not equate to the rest of the country (or the vast majority of people who do very actively support their government). And for the stupid choice that the previous generation made, that generation's great-great-great grandchildren (and all generations in between) deserve to suffer the consequence. They made their choice, let them choke to death on it. Maybe the generation that wakes up after all of that will learn a thing or two about giving religious authorities any space in determining policy.

      Not saying we should or could do anything about it, just trying to add some perspective to the idea that not all Iranians deserve to get screwed over.

      We could do something about it, akin shooting enemy soldiers who are on fire to spare them the pain of an agonizing death. But the Iranian people don't even deserve that. As long as the people in the countryside and the vast majority of those in the urban areas do nothing about it, they deserve all the shit that the system they support offers.

      They made a stupid choice and as long as they continue to tolerate it, they haven't suffered enough.

    5. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy...

      Is anyone actually naive enough to think that the Israeli population are the ones in charge?!

    6. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course at the same time, we need to have "Come home to Moses" talk with Israel about changing their stance to one of causing peace in the Middle East instead of undermining it.

      Seriously? You blame Israel for the lack of peace in the Middle East? The amount of provocation from the Palestinians that you are ignoring is staggering.

      There are so many brilliant Israeli people, who want an end to hostility, and are more than willing to work out coexistence. The ongoing growth of illegal settlements only destroy options and nail the future to rails that lead to inevitable violence and ultimately the genocide of Palestine. Certainly there must be a better answer.

      How about if the Palestinians stop firing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians almost every day? That might help peace. How about if the Palestinians stop murdering children in their own homes and then celebrating the murderers? That might help peace.
      The Palestinians were shown the route to peace, the route that would have stopped the settlements, the route to their own state. They have so far chosen not to take it.

    7. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about Iran or the USA? Because I am pushing shit up hill to see the difference

      I mean the country that specifically bans religious minorities (Baha'i in the case of Iran) from government jobs in it's "Revolutionary" constitution.

    8. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Galestar · · Score: 2, Funny

      one of the most irresponsible, corrupt and ruthless governments in the world

      So you mean the U.S. government?

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    9. Re:You want this to be interesting... by MasaMuneCyrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Iran has incredible resources, and amazing people. If we could only convince the population to pull it back from theocracy, its future would be incredibly bright.

      Firstly, I think as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have shown us, we (the US, collectively) have very little power to change or encourage people to think how we'd like them to. We 'ought to have learned a little humility. If we toppled all authoritarian regimes in the world by force and gave the people perfect, free and fair elections, I bet 9/10 of those countries would vote a religious theocratic dictator right back in.

      Secondly, we don't need to do that. Fortunately, most Persian people are already disgusted with the theocracy. What many of the revolutionary Arab states are voting for, the Persians have lived with it for 40 years. They're tired of it. The only reason it isn't gone is because you will die if you go against the regime. In fact, dying might be the most pleasant part. You'll probably be tortured, and if you're really unlucky, your family will be killed, too. Or maybe just your father. You don't even have to protest to be caught when the best minds of US and European IT companies are doing their best to allow the Iranian government to track your every move.

      Most people tend to favor living with harsh favor political oppression over death. That's why Iran is not free, yet. It will become free when
      1. The cost of freedom is lowered
      2. The cost of oppression is high enough to warrant "give me liberty or give me death."

    10. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Israel is occupying Palestinian land, and you're calling [violent] Palestinian resistance "provocation"? You're insane. It's like if China established a colony for Chinese Buddhists here in California, claiming that ancient Chinese Buddhist texts show that their religious group is entitled to the land. The United States, being too weak to do anything about it, is instead just pressured to "make peace" with the new emerging state, while a minority of impoverished Californians continue to launch rockets at the foreign settlements. The Chinese government looks on and complains about Californian "provocation" and how Californians and other US States are not fully cooperating with "peace in North America." Then they'll point to the fact that most attacks are being carried out by fundamentalist Christians and say this is proof that North Americans are barbaric and culturally incapable of self rule or accepting enlightened [Chinese] democracy and civility.

    11. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break. Political turmoil throws the dice up in the air. Where it falls is quite random.

      They had a pretty decent democratic government the first time they kicked the Shaw out. Unfortunately stupidity on Britian's part (such as refusing to allow BPs books be audited or any renegotiation) let to nationalizing the oil industry.

      Couldn't have that, so the MIA and CIA staged a revolution that put the Shaw back in power. His brutal rule paved they way for another revolution and this time the religiously minded took over.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

    12. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, you are ignoring a staggering amount of details. Your "analogy" is so poor I am forced to put quotation marks around the mere use of the word. When you say "occupying" do you mean the land taken after the last time the Arab armies attacked Israel, or are you one of those who thinks the entire country is "occupied territory" and would like to see the Israelis drown in the ocean? Both groups seem to like to ignore the detail that Jewish people have lived in that area for thousands of years. They are not some outside invading force, like in your poor attempt at an example.
      I'[ll assume you meant the first meaning. So why is Israel holding a buffer zone? Again, look at the actions of the Palestinians. The buffer zone is to protect Israel from the almost constant rocket bombardment aimed at their civilians, and to help keep terrorists out of Israel. If the Palestinians would stop attacking Israel, Israel would not need the buffer zone. The Palestinians have been warned to stop the attacks, or Israel would build in the buffer zone. The Palestinians did not stop attacking Israel. Who could have foreseen that Israel would then build in the buffer zone? Not like that came out of nowhere...
      I didn't say anything about the Palestinians being "barbaric and culturally incapable of self rule" but it's interesting that it's in your response. I would hate to think that such a poorly thought out response such as yours is really the best you can do. But the quality of your logic makes me think it must be. Please do more research or consult somebody more knowledgeable before posting again.

    13. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if israel drowned in the ocean nothing would be lost.

    14. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Firstly, I think as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have shown us, we (the US, collectively) have very little power to change or encourage people to think how we'd like them to.

      I think the US is just another vampire squid. We say a lot about freedom, but we project force on the world, in order to obtain resources. Just as the "capitalists" of the early 20th century projected force (using gatling guns) on their employees who were attempting to unionize. "Capitalism" isn't the feel-good Republican wank-fest that we're hearing about these days; read some history (not necessarily directed at the OP).

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    15. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really sound like an angry loser.

    16. Re:You want this to be interesting... by Pecisk · · Score: 1

      "What many of the revolutionary Arab states are voting for, the Persians have lived with it for 40 years."

      IMHO no, this is oversimplification of Islam. What Persians have there is special version of Islam (Shia) which is famous with "I know what God wants because I have born in right family!". That means that they don't give a shit what society actually thinks - they just force their stuff on others. It is not that traditional (also called Sunni) Islam is any better - but still it doesn't feel like total dead end (especially when they drop all Islam state ideas which has little to do with core of beliefs anyway). Anyway, I'm still here to see Islam's Renaissance. It is not that Christianity were more sane before 1400.

      Also with Iran I'm wishing to go even so far to claim that oppression and choking of democracy there have little if any connection with religion. In my opinion, Ali Khamenei and his team are just self-righteous power hungry freaks and Islam is just their dressing to justify their need of power fix. He is their Putin, Lukashenko, etc. Structure and fundamental footing of religion in Iran gave them opportunity to size it. If they would be so religious, they wouldn't be so big friends of Russia and China (which both are shiny examples of oligarchic regimes with high propaganda levels).

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    17. Re:You want this to be interesting... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      1. The cost of freedom is lowered

      What can we do to help? I mean as tech geeks, not subjects of the Western powers.

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  14. Reasonable by Pecisk · · Score: 1

    Makes sense, as US don't have big problems with common Persian people - they have problem with nut heads at the top. I know, someone will come here again and will complain how US is corporation dictatorship, how Iran stands out for being "different", etc. etc. Please. We all know what this government is really all about. And yes, in current state of affairs there's still HUGE difference between power obsessed richies and "I'm fundamentally right to call myself a hand of the God and I will execute my rights nuking you" regime. First ones are nasty and we are growing tired from them, but it doesn't mean that we should be happy about second ones. Both kind are power junkies and both have nasty cold turkeys to deal with power withdrawal.

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    1. Re:Reasonable by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      Just imagine what you're saying with a reversed perspective: some "middle east looking" person on the other side of the planet saying: "I don't have a problem with common US people, just the nut heads at the top. Let me blow off their heads with a M4 rifle and I'll leave all you innocent citizens in peace".

      By the way, I'm honestly perplexed who you're referring to in:

      And yes, in current state of affairs there's still HUGE difference between power obsessed richies and "I'm fundamentally right to call myself a hand of the God and I will execute my rights nuking you" regime.

      It seems both are referring to the USA. Or are you still talking about those "nut heads" at the top of the Iranian government?

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    2. Re:Reasonable by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      Really? The US is no theocracy, no matter how much you may not like the xtian right. Not like Iran is. These comparisons are hyperbole. The kind of comments Ahmajinedad regularly makes about another nation (Israel) should be illustrative enough.

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    3. Re:Reasonable by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      Actions speak louder than words.

      Which country is the only self proclaimed Savior of the World, Defender of Freedom and Justice, that regularly invades other countries in the name of <ideal> ? "Hand of God" does not have to refer to a literal religious God of the kind you know.

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  15. Too bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " ''But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.' "

    ROFL! Too bad only an imbecile (or a politically-motivated sociopath) would even try to suggest that the US Gov't in any way actually represents the American people! :p

  16. Hope they won't take virtual hostages! by wisebabo · · Score: 1

    Oh c'mon now, I'm not the only one old enough to remember this right?

  17. https fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This site needs proper https support, not a broken like this one:

    https://iran.usembassy.gov

    iran.usembassy.gov uses an invalid security certificate.

    The certificate is only valid for the following names:
        a248.e.akamai.net , *.akamaihd.net , *.akamaihd-staging.net

    (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)

    1. Re:https fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

  18. Virtual Embassy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will work. In Iran there is a "spiritual leader" in the ayatollah who has 100% actual control. The President while the public face and with some limited powers and responsibilities, has no actual sovereign powers at all. His speeches at the UN and other places amplify his need for controversial and unbelievable positions as a means to get personal attention and to attempt to assuage perceived domestic concerns.

    I say perceived because the typical Iranian is smarter than the typical American, and while less connected to news and the internet is far more educated and engaged in day to day politics.

    I say unbelievable because any and all statements by the Iranian president, elected by a "beauty contest" vote with little or no sovereign powers, would be a treasure trove for factcheck.com if they ever wanted to waste their time on this charlatan and snake oil salesman. It might make a phunny Youtube video however. :)

    The USA is waiting for Arab sprint to hit Iran and trying to help, but the degree of oppression and religious intolerance closely connected to the legal system, such as it is, is a strong deterrent to any citizen uprising and liberty.

    Besides we are not setting all that good of an example. We should fix that by killing one-sided Keynsianism, Demo-Socialism, and installing traditional free market capitalism with a dose of free market style welfare to shut up the friggin' communist leaning Democrats. There are plenty. I have met them.

    JJ

  19. people by Tom · · Score: 1

    'But, in the absence of direct contact, it can work as a bridge between the American and Iranian people.'"

    Then it should come from the people, not from the government.

    The idea is nice, though there are roughly 10,000,000 other websites already telling someone interested in america everything he wants to know and a million things he really didn't want to know. But how about dropping the marketing speech? Don't pretend that real humans are talking to real humans when on the one side it's just marketing zombies and politicians.

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    1. Re:people by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      But how about dropping the marketing speech? Don't pretend that real humans are talking to real humans when on the one side it's just marketing zombies and politicians.

      Gives new meaning to "Zombies vs. Plants", I suppose? (Wasn't there recently a (report of a) spy from Iran trying to assassinate someone on US soil? That would be the "plant".)

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  20. Is There A +4, Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stuxnet discussion group?

    Yours In Ashgabat,
    K. Trout

  21. Arrow to the knee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to be an embassy, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  22. Holy Shit!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government made a web site! STOP THE PRESSES!

    Truly, this will go down as a crowning achievement, a turning point of history, for today, an actual, for-real WEB SITE was created!

  23. The US gov to promote dialogue by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    with foreigners but anything their own citizen want to let the gov know about falls on deaf ears unless you can contribute $$$$$$$$$ to the politician of you choice. What a fucking wonderful country. I so hope I see the fall of the US in my life time, i'll be at the Canadian border with my illegal guns to keep illegal at the border while I watch the show and eat popcorn.

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    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
    1. Re:The US gov to promote dialogue by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I so hope I see the fall of the US in my life time,

      so true. me, i can't wait until my house burns down. i'll be roasting hot dogs on the coals.

      i'll be at the Canadian border

      it's going to be a rude awakening for you i think when you discover that leaders are corrupt where ever you go.

    2. Re:The US gov to promote dialogue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so hope I see the fall of the US in my life time, i'll be at the Canadian border with my illegal guns to keep illegal at the border while I watch the show and eat popcorn.

      Imagine the hilarity that will ensure if the country becomes Balkanized and you wind up with a lot of aggressive, well-armed xenophobes on your doorstep without a central government in place to keep them reined in when they decide they need some Lebensraum.

    3. Re:The US gov to promote dialogue by zlives · · Score: 1

      2nd amendment....

  24. Redundant, because we already have.... by couchslug · · Score: 2

    ...4chan to represent Americans to the world.

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    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  25. How about a U.S. embassy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the U.S., for the U.S. citizens. They could bring democracy...

  26. another goofy footnote by nimbius · · Score: 1

    in the embarrassing decades-long chapter of American detest for a country with a population larger than great britain, that most of its citizens cant even find on a map.

    just once, instead of pissing away money and resources on a country that presently seems just as content to leave us all the fuck alone, id like to hear a compelling reason why we're working so hard to make the lives of seventy-five million people so god-damn miserable with sanctions on international goods and services. The only thing we arent sanctioning is oil, because we're terrified it might negatively impact the global economy that america helped cast into ruin.

    yeah its off topic, but i think its asinine to watch the United states, of which i am a citizen, simultaneously propose a content-rich international website for the people of iran while at the same time ignoring the fact that United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737 will eventually leave them with rolling blackouts from the Mesbah Energy Company or Kala-Electric, and standing up to their tits in garbage uncollected by the Pars Trash Company.

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  27. At least they're NOT renting space on Second Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OTOH, how many - who may not yet have Internet - will be excluded, by the on-line only nature of this new creation?

  28. Contra?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the hostage rescue mission fails...

    Contra?

    1. Re:Contra?... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Brigadier General Bill "Mad Dog" Rizer, when asked for comment, had only this to say:

      "Up up, Down Down, bitches."

  29. Let's see - Virtual Embassy planned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real Killing of Iranians planned.

    Yup that should convince the Iranians the US means them no harm.

    The Iranian people are not stupid - here's a video of an Iranian girl (~ 8 years when filmed)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn01Wt71FUg

  30. Its a honeypot! by higuita · · Score: 1

    This is just a honeypot, so the US can track and test the Iranian hackers and try to divert the attacks from the US main sites

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  31. Have virtual embassies everywhere by unixisc · · Score: 1

    This is a terrific idea, and not just for Iran. Have virtual embassies of the US in all countries, and vice versa, which would allow citizens of those countries to deal w/ US immigration and other similar services, w/o having to pay for State Dept bureaucrats to live cushy lives in foreign capitals (or conversely, third world fatcat bureaucrats to live it up in DC and other major US cities that have consulates).

    The best part would be - automate everything. A foreigner wants to apply for an US visa - automatically trigger a background check, apply whatever the applicable waiting period is, and tell him to check back on that date. If a visa application is rejected, make it instantaneous, but if it's accepted and made effective on a certain date, notify the applicants that it's valid from _____ to ______. Check the database for whether the caps for such visas have been hit, and if they have, push the lead times out by a year or more.

    No more Vienna convention complications, no issues w/ foreign diplomats over parking tickets or worse, and governments don't have to embarrass themselves by seeking diplomatic immunity for embassy staff engaging in criminal activity. Nor any worries of foreign savages trying to seize hostages out of embassy staff either. Just have it done online, and if any manual overrides are needed, have it only in a few places and @ really high levels to justify it.

  32. Letdown by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I was hoping they would have finally made a Second Life-like virtual conferencing system. For a small fraction of the cost of any of the G20/whatever conferences, they could instead build such a system with Crysis-quality graphics, facial motion capture, secure high-quality conferencing terminals, you name it. It would be much more eco-friendly as well, and what governments will really like is that it doesn't create an opportunity for protests.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  33. Hi, I come from the future by Cigarra · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Hi, I come from the future by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Nobody would take me up on it =(