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Netflix CEO Comments On Recent Decisions

ExE122 writes "Netflix CEO Reed Hastings makes several comments about mistakes that were made over the past year. Hastings claimed, 'We moved too fast with it', [trying to exit the DVD-by-mail business] and explains that he still thinks Internet video will dominate in the coming years. From the article: 'Hastings also faced tough questions about last month's double-bomb disclosure: Netflix now expects to lose money for all of 2012, and it is looking to raise cash in a secondary offering of its stock.'"

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  1. Raise money by giving up a couple of lattes by John+Bresnahan · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least, that's what you told me.

    1. Re:Raise money by giving up a couple of lattes by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the guys giving me lattes are making money. Of course, they're also giving me a product I want at a price I'm willing to pay. I attribute this to them knowing their customers and what their customers want, making that product in a time-honored fashion and not fucking around with any part of the formula. I'm sure the owner of that shop (Which is a small local chain) is making a lot less than the Netflix CEO. But I think we're ALL making more than Netflix right now.

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    2. Re:Raise money by giving up a couple of lattes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree, I switched to Hulu too as they don't charge extra for DVDs.

    3. Re:Raise money by giving up a couple of lattes by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's time to kill that particular dinosaur. It doesn't matter how loud it roars or how many mice come out of the trees to defend it.

      Subscriber supported channels tend to produce better quality stuff as they see the viewer as the customer rather than advertisers.

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  2. convenience over quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When did we as consumers decide to forgo quality over convenience? I recently tested Netflix. I was sorely disappointed with the quality of the video as well as the lack-luster audio quality. I quickly deleted my account within minutes of opening it. Until they are able to stream true HD sound I see no reason to give up disks. 7.1 is a beautiful thing...not going to waste it. :-)

    1. Re:convenience over quality by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus, it doesn't run on Linux without hacks which are more hassle than its worth.

      As someone who runs Linux as his sole home OS, I can honestly say that doesn't matter one bit. Companies succeed on sales, and not fairness. Realistically Linux users are such a trivially small portion of the market that any company coming out with any product can safely ignore that segment without any fear of that decision harming business. If it works on Windows and Mac (and even the Mac part isn't all THAT important), then its good enough from a business perspective.

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    2. Re:convenience over quality by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      walkman over full stereo
      compressed DVD over laser disk
      MP3's over mobile CD players
      watching movies and TV shows on phones/tablets/computers instead of a big TV in full HD
      PC's over main frames
      laptops over PC's
      tablets and netbooks over real laptops/desktops

      the list goes on and on with mobility and convenience always winning over quality

    3. Re:convenience over quality by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      7.1 is a joke.

      even pros can't align that many speakers in your typical small (not theater sized) room.

      but as long as you bought into the MARKETING that more channels == better sound, hey, have fun.

      just giving you a hint: less is more when it comes to audio. 2 plus a sub gives audio AND movies all it needs.

      at home, you just don't need speakers coming out of every direction. that's the bose effect. you think that's good? interesting how you are affected by salesman (everyone who bought into multichannel at home was sold by some salesguy in person or online.)

      just a pet peeve of mine. as a sound guy, I just shudder to think of all the cancellations and reflections that happen with even 5.1, let alone 7.x in a home sized room. my gawd! but again, some people LIKE the bose 'spray sound everywhere' effect.

      its is NOT hifi, though. at least admit that much. its loud and coming from everywhere but its not hifi. too many reflections ruin the subtle high-end dacs you guys also insist on running (DTS and higher bit rate dolby, lol!)

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    4. Re:convenience over quality by CaseCrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it works on Windows and Mac (and even the Mac part isn't all THAT important), then its good enough from a business perspective.

      ...and on the Wii, XBOX 360, PS3, many tv boxes, most smart phones... There are enough vectors for Netflix to ignore Linux with no problem.

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    5. Re:convenience over quality by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No company should have to ignore any OS as a market when there are standards for streaming video. The problem is not market share; the problem is control. Netflix cannot take the chance that someone will rip its streams or in any way control their videos, likely due to the demands of the MPAA.

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    6. Re:convenience over quality by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      streaming is the future BECAUSE it involves higher DRM than dvd's have.

      its just that simple and no need to look any further.

      the industry loves BD since its harder to break. they love streaming since it costs almost nothing and has tougher drm than dvd.

      streaming is good FOR THEM. physical media is better FOR ME.

      please avoid their streaming models: make it fail, people. the sooner we sink their sales on streaming the sooner they'll return to physical media. physical media is much more freedom-oriented (and the quality is higher, too).

      and as isp's put more and more caps on your bandwidth, I don't see being MORE dependant on the internet as being a good thing. not at all. its a drug dealer situation: they want you addicted to streaming so that they can control all the cards.

      don't fall for it. don't give them what they dream about. it will never be good for you and me.

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    7. Re:convenience over quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I tend to agree, however their primary competition (Amazon Prime) supports Linux with no hassle. To make matters worse, NetFlix is not simply refusing to support Linux, they are actively preventing Linux users from accessing content. Chromebooks (essentially Chrome running on a streamlined Ubuntu distro) can access content just fine, but they've intentionally prevented the Chrome extension from working on standard Linux browsers.

    8. Re:convenience over quality by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      streaming is the future BECAUSE it involves higher DRM than dvd's have. its just that simple and no need to look any further.

      Yeah that so totally explains iTunes and Spotify thriving and CD sales in sharp decline.

      streaming is good FOR THEM. physical media is better FOR ME.

      You may notice there's an 800lb gorilla in the room here, it's not legal but it mostly resembles streaming...

      and as isp's put more and more caps on your bandwidth, I don't see being MORE dependant on the internet as being a good thing. not at all. its a drug dealer situation: they want you addicted to streaming so that they can control all the cards.

      It's not my fault your country is going backwards technologically. Here's how a country with progress looks like, average = green, mean = blue. I'm on 60 Mbit uncapped for less than $100/mo and a BluRay costs about $30. Cue the Swede with 100 Mbit for $40. Delivering broadband is getting cheaper and cheaper, if you're not seeing it then you're getting ripped off.

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    9. Re:convenience over quality by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree, except for a couple of small nits.

      PC's over main frames

      You don't need an eighteen wheeler to move a single TV set. Doing spreadsheets or databases with only a few thousand records on a mainframe is wasteful. As is putting an apostrophe in PCs.

      laptops over PC's

      Same thing. No reason to be tied to a desk if the laptop does the job. No reason to carry a travelling trunk when you're only going to be gone two days. The thing with both of them is use of the proper tool, not convinience. You don't need a sledgehammer to open a walnut.

    10. Re:convenience over quality by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who want rips of movies don't need to go with netflix. This is what I don't understand. Netflix shouldn't need to have any kind of DRM, because at the end of the day, it's a terrible way to copy things. If you want to copy something, it's easy enough to just copy it from the DVD or even BluRay original copy. As long as Netflix doesn' allow you to download at full speed (just fast enough to watch it, with ample buffering) then it's a no-go for pirating. Because you can get a DVD rip off bittorrent much faster.

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    11. Re:convenience over quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Population density is a tired old cliche for poor broadband options in the US. The reality is that there are many dense areas all over the US where several million people live rather close to each other. If those cities cannot get the levels of broadband currently available all over the world, it's pretty obvious the problem is the duopoly situation with ISPs, and absolutely nothing to do with density.

      No one is talking about 100% coverage. So stop making girly excuses for your lack of options and zero competition. There is no reason why LA and NYC cannot have the best of the best using your incorrect and feeble population density excuse.

      Nothing will improve until apologist like yourself stop accepting the situation.

    12. Re:convenience over quality by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but as long as you bought into the MARKETING that more channels == better sound, hey, have fun.

      Well, it's only a partial fallacy. Surround sound makes no sense. When listening to music, are you sitting in the middle of the orchestra, or in the audience where the theater's acoustics have been engineered for you to listen in, with all the sound from in front of you? In a movie, I find having sounds come from anywhere but the screen itself a distraction. Quad sound would make sense for movies if there were a speaker at each corner of the screen, so sounds could travel up and down as well as right and left.

      However, the more drivers of different sizes you put in an enclosure, the better it will sound, especially if you separate the different frequencies into channels for each speakers.

      And if you have real speakers (at least three ways with a real woofer in each one twelve inches or more diameter, eighteen is better), subwoofers are not only unnecessary, they will actually degrade the sound. Subwoofers are only necessary to overcome what was the downfall of quadraphonics in the '70s -- the cost of good woofers. I argued with a professor in an undergrad physics class about this when quadraphonics were new, and he actually conceded that I was right when I brought my two Kenwood 777s and a cheap stereo amp in. The trouble with quadraphonic was that you had to have twice everything, so a $1000 stereo would sound remarkably better than a $1000 quad setup. That, and you have the (planned and engineered) interference between the left channel's low frequencies and the right channel's. That is missing with a subwoofer, even though the ear can't discern the position of a sound with a wavelength longer than your head is wide.

      Surround only worked because the price of the amps had come down so far, and the price of four big woofers was mitigated by having a single sub.

      its is NOT hifi, though.

      Even stereo CDs aren't. People misunderstand Nyquist, and think it means that you get perfect sound until you hit the Nyquist limit, but in actuality the closer you get to the limit, the more aliasing you get. There is no way to discern a 15kHz sine wave from a 15kHz sawtooth wave with only three samples per wave. I have never heard a CD through any equipment that would make me think it was a live performance, but I have heard LPs that were that good (and yes, it has to be well engineered in the studio or it's still not high fidelity).

      And as you point out, people don't think of interference, with waves doubling and cancelling each other.

  3. Good news! by Compaqt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Post Office is in the process of shutting down, so everybody'll have to get off the DVD plan, anyway, just like we were trying to cajole them to.

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  4. All-Streaming is a Great Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that the decision to exit the DVD-by-mail market is a great one. Maybe it's just because I'm a college kid, but most people I know don't even bother renting DVDs anymore. As Netflix gains more and more licenses for various production companies, and their ability to stream online grows, nearly everyone I know has switched to exclusively streaming (I know I certainly have). Streaming is where the market is at, these days, since we're practically glued to our technology, particularly the internet.

    Good on you, Netflix.

    1. Re:All-Streaming is a Great Idea by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that the decision to exit the DVD-by-mail market is a great one. Maybe it's just because I'm a college kid, but most people I know don't even bother renting DVDs anymore. As Netflix gains more and more licenses for various production companies, and their ability to stream online grows, nearly everyone I know has switched to exclusively streaming (I know I certainly have). Streaming is where the market is at, these days, since we're practically glued to our technology, particularly the internet.

      Good on you, Netflix.

      Hate to break it to you, but the Netflix "watch instantly" library is shrinking (unless you count 27 episodes/season of Dora the Explora as individual titles) since desirable content is getting much more expensive (see the Starz licensing situation). If you are happy with the streaming content then great, but make no mistake they are fighting a very hard battle and you will not be seeing very much new-new content on watch instantly in the coming year or two.

    2. Re:All-Streaming is a Great Idea by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There have been several high profile cases where companies pulled electronic, non-physical-media versions of content. Fact of the matter is, unless one has control either the device or of physical media, there's no way to prevent companies from pulling things off devices or from removing things from their available catalogs.

      The only way to control one's destiny is to have physical media or to have information electronically stored on a device that one controls that the content provider doesn't control. Additionally, as DVDs and other physical media become incredibly cheap, it's easy to actually do this. Storage of 4.5" discs is also easy even for those in the smallest of living spaces if one discards the packaging in favor of those software storage bags that have room for hundreds of discs in a 12"x12"x4" space...

      I have considered ripping all of my movies to electronic storage, but even not doing so it's not ridiculous to store them.

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  5. The real bombshell story by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What shocks (and appalls) me is that Reed Hastings has made several horrible mistakes, has led his business from profit to loss, and he will still take home a multi million dollar pay package for 2011. It's about time he admit that he is willing to actually PAY for his mistakes, and forego his compensation for the next year since it will clearly be a terrible one for the business. Until then, Netflix is a sinking Titanic with an irresponsible madman at the helm, refusing to change course.

    1. Re:The real bombshell story by Jimmy+King · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've worked for a couple of small companies. I think it requires different skill sets/strengths to get a company off the ground, known, and making money in the first place than it does to keep it running after you've gone public, have a bunch of employees, etc. Frequently it's not the same person who has both of these skill sets. A small company with very few employees, a few customers who know they are dealing with a small company, and no stock holders to keep happy can more easily make decisions on their feet and survive fairly well by making decisions that just get them through until tomorrow. As they grow, that agility is lost and I think a lot of managers and CEOs are not able to adapt their thinking and planning to the slower pace of movement and amount of resources it now takes to get things done.

  6. Unfortunate by yeshuawatso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I hate the idea that Netflix may not be around much longer, I'm not surprised. Mr. Hastings strategy seems to be focusing on maximizing contribution margins instead of maximizing profit. Getting one doesn't mean you'll get the other. What I don't understand is why Hastings believes that the major studios will allow Netflix to operate the online distribution at the price levels consumers demand. It is clear that Hollywood has no interest in lowering prices on digital content even though the marginal costs of distribution is minuscule. It won't be long before Netflix changes to a "on-demand" pricing model that Apple, Amazon, and a whole other set of competitors are already doing, and the recent exit of a third of their customers due to the recent price increase is a clear indication that Netflix is selling a highly elastic product. When will Hollywod ever learn that we don't want to pay 2.99 per episode for a show with DRM restrictions that force you to re-purchase the damn video for every device you have, and that paying $14 for a digital download when the DVD is selling at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and Target for $10 is price gouging.

  7. Attacking streaming by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surely Netflix is in a position to understand that video streaming as a market has been crippled by the MPAA. Physical media will not be killed by streaming because people cannot do the sort of things they do with discs when they using streaming services. I know quite a few people who lend DVDs to their friends and family members, including DVDs from Netflix. People still do not always have Internet access, or if they are away from home Internet service may be very expensive -- but it is easy to use a portable DVD player (I may not be up to date on this, but as far as I know one cannot simply download video from Netflix and watch it on a laptop). Connecting a computer to a TV is still a pain and it still is not widely done; people generally do not want to watch movies on a smaller computer monitor when a larger TV screen is available.

    When the MPAA stops making life hell for people who want to use their PCs to watch popular movies, killing DVD rental services will be more feasible.

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  8. Re:well by bberens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to be unpopular but I love Netflix. I never used the DVD delivery service so that change didn't affect me, and I do understand why people who were previously on the DVD service would be upset about the changes. It seems like every time I get to a point that I "can't find anything on Netflix" that I'm interested in watching within a few days their contract/content/whatever changes and there's a whole new set of TV series, movies, documentaries, etc. that I'm interested in. I have a Roku box on all my TVs now and subscriptions to Netflix for movies and Hulu+ for stuff I want to keep up with that's currently being aired. Hulu and Amazon are shite for movie content and UI compared to Netflix on the Roku. The only thing that makes Hulu+ palatable is the subscription/queue so I can subscribe to all the shows I watch and then just watch the queue. The device/app/whatever that will really get my business is something that allows me to search all of my subscription services through a single interface and manage a single queue. That's the next killer app but it will take an act of Congress to make that possible.

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  9. The worst mistake to make now by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 5, Informative

    is to lose confidence in Netflix. They have a business model that should be how content is distributed by the cable companies. Everything on demand, cheap subscription rates, and access to older archives of content that would otherwise not be available except to purchase physical media, which consumers seem to be shunning.

    The problem is that while the big cable companies are still struggling to maintain a greedy monopoly on TV content distribution, companies like Netflix are the necessary upset required to get these big companies making better decisions and offering better services. When Netflix was consuming the largest amount of Internet bandwidth, you know the big Telco companies started paying attention. A few decisions in the right direction and Netflix could replace cable services completely.

    I do fear, however, that eventually Netflix may become extinct once big Telco gets into the game of offering similar services, but for now Netflix is the black sheep of content distribution and should be supported rather then complained about. For $7.99/mth I am accessing television and movies I have not seen before and no other service (cable, iTunes, movie rental stores) can offer me that value.

    Its easy for people to b*tch about how poorly Netflix may have been operating their business, but in the end these same people will b*tch louder when Netflix shuts its doors for good.

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  10. You really can't see the forest, can you? by RobinEggs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blockbuster's site sucks compared to Netflix, and their disc mailing schedule is slower, but for me to put some pain in Netflix's wallet it has been worth it to me.

    Giving money to Blockbuster won't pressure Netflix to improve streaming, Netflix already wanted that; it's every single movie producer that doesn't want it. And I presume both services have access to the same DVDs. So what are you accomplishing?

    Starz was Netflix' biggest contract, and during renewal talks Netflix offered them ten times as much money to renew the deal. Starz still said no - not unless Netflix would make a special 'Starz' plan that cost more.

    Big Content won't give Netflix a simple, reasonable streaming contracts because that's 'not the model'; they give Netflix the very last dregs of the market for a film, and when it looks like anyone might possibly be waiting for a film on Netflix rather than watching it somewhere else they stop giving Netflix streaming rights - and even try to fuck with their acquisition of DVDs.

    It's content producers' obsession with gouging the shit out of every distribution channel and their delusional attempts to make internet video behave like premium cable services that keeps streaming shitty, not Netflix' management.

    You hate Blockbuster, but you'll use it to punish Netflix. How about you show some contempt for the assholes holding the cards and pulling the strings rather than despising the companies that are trying to give you a cheap, convenient option for video?

  11. Kiosk Rentals are the New Blockbuster by RobinEggs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But if customers aren't stupid they will notice decreased value of the service and switch to kiosk rentals.

    Which have a Ron Jeremy-sized hard on for late fees- or at least, late fees under the new guise of charging you by the day. I don't know anyone who uses kiosks who doesn't pay as much or more in extra days as they did in outright penalties at old-school Blockbusters. You can say that people don't have to keep them for 8 days and this is true; people also don't have to pay the minimum on their credit cards or finance their cars, but they do and it's a predictable source of income for banks and car dealers. Much as extra days are a major source of income for Redbox.

    Just because it's a machine in a parking lot and just because they don't call it a 'late fee' anymore doesn't mean the model is different. All they've done is remove the guilt and vindictive gouging from the process - and then promoted their new, spiffed up late fees as a convenience service.

  12. Google!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being the fan that I am for Google products, and also knowing that the cash is there and the possibilities are there, if I was Google, I would buy netflix, and voila instant stardom for youtube netflix merger.....!!!

  13. Re:well by s_p_oneil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comments like this really annoy me. What has happened is that Netflix, a company that has kept rock-bottom prices for years, has been squeezed so hard by its providers that they're losing money hand over fist. Netflix is not losing money for all of 2012 because customers are leaving them.They're losing money because:

    "Buying those rights is getting tougher, as studios are demanding more money for their valuable content. One analyst predicted earlier this year that Netflix's streaming content licensing costs will rise from $180 million in 2010 to a whopping $2 billion in 2012."

    Netflix's cost of goods is increasing by more than a factor of 10. In light of that, I'm shocked that Netflix still managed to keep the cost to their customers down below $8/month (for streaming). Instead of sticking their customers with the entire increase, they decided to eat some of the cost by selling part of the company instead:

    "Netflix now expects to lose money for all of 2012, and it is looking to raise cash in a secondary offering of its stock."

    Now, would you rather stick with the company that is still trying its best to give you rock-bottom prices, or go back to the cable/phone companies who have spent decades trying to find ways to trick customers into paying more than you should (and who will go right back to doing it once Netflix has been laid low)? Unfortunately, human nature is such that most people (in the US, at least) would rather whine and act like Eric Cartman when they get upset than to stop and think things through. Netflix's competitors are betting on it, and unfortunately betting on the crappier side of human nature usually pays off for large companies.