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Earth's Core Made In Miniature

ananyo writes "A 3-meter-tall metal sphere full of molten sodium is about to start work modeling the Earth's core. The gigantic dynamo, which has taken researchers ten years to build, 'will generate a self-sustaining electromagnetic field that can be poked, prodded and coaxed for clues about Earth's dynamo, which is generated by the movement of liquid iron in the outer core.'"

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  1. Re:Woohoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    what?

  2. Re:Woohoo! by durrr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Next step is to drop the content of the sphere into a lake surrounded by high speed 4k cameras with hardened storage units.

  3. Craving by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Suddenly I'm having a craving for a Cadbury Cream Egg.

  4. Re:How they know... by sslayer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do you know what happens with practice and theory? In theory, they are both the same. In practice, they are not.

  5. Re:That doesn't sound right... by Megahard · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, you could check. Melting point of sodium is 97.72 C.

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  6. Inaccurate Model by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 3, Funny

    This model is inaccurate as it does not provide for the Reptilian space.

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    1. Re:Inaccurate Model by DrXym · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's inaccurate because the simulated Earth is not resting on a 4 elephants or a giant space turtle.

    2. Re:Inaccurate Model by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

      That model has been disproven. You'll note the model has support system that quite accurately simulates the stiffness, damping and degrees of freedom of Turtles All The Way Down.

  7. Now work can begin... by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...on our doomsday device to stop the earth's core from spinning.

    Small scale tests first before we build the full-size model.

  8. How can this produce accurate results? by wisebabo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How can this produce accurate results that will possibly match that of reality? This device (unless they are planning to put it on the space station) will be overwhelmingly influenced by the (real) earth's gravity. Convection will obviously be way off.

    So, unless they are trying to model how the earth's core would act if it were enclosed in a giant metal sphere and placed on a gigantic table subject to one-gee, won't this simulation be way off?

    Even if they put it in space, I'm not sure the simulation would be correct, the forces provided from the self-gravitation would probably be off.

    1. Re:How can this produce accurate results? by u38cg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Alternatively, you could stop worrying about these things, and enjoy the fact you've built a thirteen tonne sphere of rotating molten sodium. Enjoy yourself, you know?

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    2. Re:How can this produce accurate results? by athmanb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A team of physicists has worked 10 years on this, writing hundreds of pages of papers to coerce funding out of federal institutes but you can spot the flaw in their plans after 30 seconds of thinking and writing an Internet comment?

    3. Re:How can this produce accurate results? by clickforfreepizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sick and tired of this kind of banal and destructive comment. Please read GP again. Is "This cannot work. Case closed." really what you get from it?

      I think GP is trying to understand the experiment. Pointing out issues which are problems according to his current understanding is an excellent first step to learn more.

      Always adding a disclaimer that we are aware that we are no experts would be as superfluous as your answer. Don't you hate it when you teach someone and it goes like this: "Okay, what don't you understand?" - "Well... everything." Pointing out "Here's what doesn't make sense." should be a relatively obvious and welcome form to ask for clarification.

      And even if you do not believe that the poster wants to learn, you could answer him in a constructive manner and thus help others with similar questions. If you cannot or do not want to do that, please ignore him.

    4. Re:How can this produce accurate results? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being able to answer that question, and not merely ask it, is why these people get to play with 3-metre balls of molten sodium for a living.

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  9. Good example of the use of physical models... by Zrako · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in relationship to yesterdays article on physical models in the age of computers (http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/12/06/1736231/physical-models-in-an-age-of-computers). This is a great example of when a physical model is invaluable to scientific research even though a computer model could have been used. What happens in theory doesn't always hold true in practice.

  10. Re:How they know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be cause none of the theories, Magneto Hydro Dynamics (MHD), the Vlasov Equation, etc... are correct. The equations are two complex to solve so they have to make approximations. You need experiment to understand what terms are important and what terms are wrong. Plus a lot of times theorists use rediculus scaling parameters such that these phenomena can never happen in nature.

    In science nobody believes the theory except the theorist and everybody believes the experiment except the experimentalist.

  11. Yawn by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yawn! Wake me when they have a dual-core earth.

    The single-core model is bound to revolve to slowly!

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  12. Re:How they know... by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this distinction is noteworthy because you can measuring what happens in practice, find where it doesn't meet the theory, and revise your theory. This is how science gets done.

  13. Re:How they know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus a lot of times theorists use rediculus...

    Wow, and here I am thinking calculus was hard.

  14. Re:How they know... by JosKarith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Calculations showed powered flight to be possible - why did Orville & Wilbur build the Flyer?
    Why was the first atomic pile built? Why the first moon shot?
    Because we can. Because theory is all well and good, but to actually have the thing in reality confirms (or disproves, usually dramatically) the theory.

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  15. Re:How they know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine if it was three complex!

  16. Just starting? by Lando · · Score: 3

    Hmmm, knowing that I've seen this before, I decided to go lookabout http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/4277476 Ummm so what did they do? Apparently they emptied the thing of the sodium it had in 2009, either that or the 2009 article is in error.

    Not sure if this is all that interesting, appears to just be a pr piece to help ensure people don't forget about them. Not sure why there is a time discrepancy. The show I saw before has some sort of sodium filled ball for measuring magnetic fields, and I assume that it's probably the same one. Since I watch most of my documentaries on Netflix now, I have to assume this thing is several years old.

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    1. Re:Just starting? by schiiz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The experiment was previously filled with water in order to resolve the fluid flow. Water and Sodium have very similar viscous properties so long as you have the temperatures correct. Sodium is also opaque so you can't use lasers and are limited to a combination of ultrasound and flow tomography (basically, backing out the flow from the induced magnetic field), so its somewhat common practice to do a water model of sodium experiments. Lathrop's Water part of the experiment lasted 4ish years? (I think, perhaps between 2 and 4?) because he encountered some interesting hydrodynamic effects. I saw Dr. Lathrop speak at a conference about 3 weeks ago and they were about halfway thru the fill process then, so this article lines up quite nicely with what would have been a reasonable completion time.

  17. Re:Woohoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    what?

  18. Re:How they know... by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well powered flight has immediate and obvious useful applications, this thing less so, at least as far as I can see. Powered flight means I can get there faster, or cross rough terrain impossible in other vehicles, etc etc. Giant sphere of super heated liquid salt, not really sure how I can use that. Which is not say that is a reason not build the thing.

    A better analogy would be Orville and Wilbur carving a wooden wing and running around the bike shop with it to feel that it does indeed produce lift when pushed through a fluid like air. Its a required precursor to powered flight, and would more represent this sort of basic research. At some point you have to try things.

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  19. Re:That doesn't sound right... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sodium != salt, which is probably what you are thinking of (seems to be the trend in the comments around yours). Sodium is a metal, not a salt (NaCl is common table salt, which melts closer to 1000C or something).

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  20. Re:Woohoo! by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 5, Funny

    No highspeed cameras, but here you go - disposal of a couple of 1000 pounds of sodium metal by dumping it into a lake. Old newsreel footage from a time when men were men and chemists were the most manly of them....

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