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IBM Watson To Battle Patent Trolls

MrSeb writes "IBM's Watson is made of many parts: speech recognition, natural language processing, machine learning, and data mining. All of these factors were perfectly combined to beat Ken Jennings in Jeopardy, and now each of these components are slowly finding their way into other applications. Health plan company WellPoint, for example, is using Watson to investigate patient records to improve diagnosis, and in a self-referential, possibly universe-destroying twist, IBM itself is using Watson to help sell Watson (and other IBM products) to other companies. Now, using Watson's data mining and natural language talents, IBM has created the Strategic IP Insight Platform, or SIIP, a tool that has already scanned millions of medical patents and journals for the sake of improving drug discovery — and in the future, it's easy to see how the same tool could be used to battle patent trolling, too."

93 comments

  1. Please by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..can someone send the patent office one of these machines for the love of god!

    1. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The machine is only as smart as the operator grasshopper. Even if the USPTO had Watson, the people there still can't be taught.

    2. Re:Please by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

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      Never been known to fail..."
    3. Re:Please by mug+funky · · Score: 1, Redundant

      wtf? someone get Watson to mine your post for meaning. i'm having a lot of trouble, and my brain is about to segfau

    4. Re:Please by youn · · Score: 1

      Heck send them a thousand of those :)

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      Never antropomorphize computers, they do not like that :p
    5. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      huh? I think his cat walked across the keyboard.

    6. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely!

    7. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go 137!

    8. Re:Please by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Grammar Katz LULZ!!!

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      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    9. Re:Please by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Send them a Beowulf cluster of Watsons ... or does IBM have a patent about doing that?

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  2. I'm afraid I can't let you do that by Superken7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm afraid I can't let you patent rectangular shapes, Apple

    1. Re:I'm afraid I can't let you do that by underqualified · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google should get Watson to compete with Apple's Siri.

    2. Re:I'm afraid I can't let you do that by thexile · · Score: 0

      Computer says 'nooo....'

    3. Re:I'm afraid I can't let you do that by wrathpwn · · Score: 1
  3. Re:Good tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha don't fall for it.

  4. Provided their own training material by rayzat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if they used their own patent archives to train Watson to recognize junk patents?

    1. Re:Provided their own training material by Nikker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ultimate question would be answered if Watson himself realized he was a junk patent ;)

      --
      A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
    2. Re:Provided their own training material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they started with Apples...

    3. Re:Provided their own training material by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 4, Funny

      The ultimate question has already been answered: 42.

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      I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
    4. Re:Provided their own training material by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      no need to. just use /dev/null as a labeler ;-)

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      -- no sig today
    5. Re:Provided their own training material by jamiesan · · Score: 1

      What do you get when you multiply 6 Apples by 9 Oranges?

    6. Re:Provided their own training material by kakyoin01 · · Score: 1

      No, Watson! You ARE the trolls!

      ...and then Watson was a cyber felon.

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      The more you know, the more you have to say and the more you should listen.
    7. Re:Provided their own training material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Provided he/it had complete control over him/it's self and found he was wrong to exist how would he constrain himself?

  5. Misleading headline? by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that the only person saying that Watson *could* be used "to battle patent trolls" is the last article's author. Nobody else has said that IBM or any customer using Watson is actually pursuing this use.

    1. Re:Misleading headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that the only person saying that Watson *could* be used "to battle patent trolls" is the last article's author. Nobody else has said that IBM or any customer using Watson is actually pursuing this use.

      Exactly.
      But this is Slashdot, so the headline is "IBM Watson To Battle Patent Trolls" instead of "Some Shitty Blogger Hopes IBM Watson Will Battle Patent Trolls".

      What is Slashdot?
      Captcha says ABYSMAL

    2. Re:Misleading headline? by similar_name · · Score: 1

      If anything I would expect Watson (or something similar) to file patents before it battles them.

    3. Re:Misleading headline? by LionKimbro · · Score: 5, Funny

      We should have Watson fact-check Slashdot story submissions.

    4. Re:Misleading headline? by joshuac · · Score: 1

      Nobody else has said that IBM or any customer using Watson is actually pursuing this use.

      They're currently awaiting the final touches on Watson's t-800 style "meatspace interface/communication avatar" endoskeletons. Then the troll-pursuing begins.

    5. Re:Misleading headline? by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      The system would crash - too much work.

    6. Re:Misleading headline? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      No, too little work. Most every article would be trivially found to be factually incorrect.

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    7. Re:Misleading headline? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I noticed that too, and the more he talked about Watson and what they are doing with it, the more I got a kind of clenching knot in my gut with a feeling that the 'overlord' jokes on Slashdot might be getting a little less funny in the not too distant future. Corporations are legally individuals, are run by people in group mode; which for some reason tends to make the corporations act like sociopathic individuals, understanding feelings etc. but just not really caring about them in others, and only looking after themselves. Now IBM has potentially a huge leg up on a LOT of others. If they turn to the dark side with it, let's hope they capitalize on it as well as they did with DOS, the PC, and O/S2. If they don't use it to crush the little guys trying to start new companies with ideas they have, then good on them.

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    8. Re:Misleading headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, Sherlock.
      </couldn't resist >

    9. Re:Misleading headline? by AdamJS · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      It IS an interesting idea though. Watson's heuristic analytical capabilities might make it a great match for checking for prior art and existing patents.

  6. Or maybe... by ewanm89 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...it could could be used to help manage that patent portfolio and find great targets to file a suit against.

  7. Parent is goatse link by Penguinshit · · Score: 0

    you have been warned.

  8. Or use Watson to discover more patentable stuff by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    Really, why can't they do both? Use Watson to combat trolls going after their products, as well as finding other patentable stuff? It doesn't take a Sherlock (or even a Watson) to figure that one out.

  9. IBM more of a problem than trolls are by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has to be remembered that IBM is one of the biggest pro-software-patent lobby groups in the world.

    In the US Bilski case, they submitted a brief saying that free software needed software patents!

    http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Fake_representatives_of_free_software#IBM

    I saw them personally in the EU lobbying from 2003-2005 where they pushed with all their might for software patents.

    And then recently, when New Zealand announced it would legislate to clarify that software *isn't* patentable, who stepped in to kneel on the government? IBM (with MS).

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/23/0235248/new-zealand-u-turns-will-grant-software-patents

    So, yeh, I'd be happy if all patent trolls disappeared tomorrow, but trolls aren't even the biggest problem, and the existence of the whole problem is in a large part due to IBM.

    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/More_than_trolls
    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/IBM

    1. Re:IBM more of a problem than trolls are by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      It has to be remembered that IBM is one of the biggest pro-software-patent lobby groups in the world.

      In the US Bilski case, they submitted a brief saying that free software needed software patents!

      http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Fake_representatives_of_free_software#IBM

      Technically, that's saying that the growth of free software was result of the mandatory disclosure of software patents. So, instead of "free software needs software patents," their argument was "free software wouldn't have grown to where it is today absent software patents." Minor but important difference... But yeah, IBM is pro-patent.

  10. I am sure the patent trolling idea is the editors by giorgist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the business sense for IBM to do so, or the patent department ?
    We as a society should insist the patent business gets cleaned up dramatically because innovation is getting bogged down.
    Soon I would not be able to make a toast because it is somewhat rectangular with rounded edges and flat.

  11. Troll patents are not understandable by Hentes · · Score: 1

    The problem is, real troll patents are rarely understandable.

  12. Wellpoint's more likely use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mining patient records to discover new reasons to kick people off their policies the moment they get sick.

  13. Watch out for cake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Watson says there will be cake, I think you'd better run.

    1. Re:Watch out for cake! by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lie......

    2. Re:Watch out for cake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cake is a lie......

      Try completing the game, you'll learn otherwise.

  14. Risk by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    — and in the future, it's easy to see how the same tool could be used to battle patent trolling, too."

    and it's also easy to see how the same tool could be used to automatically generate even more patents.

    After all, since we've already seen that computers can randomly generate fake nonsensical Physics research papers and get them published in real Science Journals. We're not so far off that they'll be able to do the same with patent claims. It would be just like a turing test, but only easier since real patent legal language is already designed to obfuscate the obvious -- it would be easy to have a computer mimic it.

    1. Re:Risk by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Your link goes to a blog post about a game where you try to guess whether an article title is from a real physics paper or an automatically generated one. If you follow through to the "snarxiv," you find out that it only generates titles and abstracts, not papers.

      Did you not think anyone would click your link, or do you need some help from Watson?

  15. If they really wanted to have it profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Train the Watson AI how to make executive and upper level management decisions. It would be possible to achieve the same results, but without the huge overhead of golden parachutes and high salaries. What remains could be summed up as profit.

    1. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Train the Watson AI how to make executive and upper level management decisions. It would be possible to achieve the same results, but without the huge overhead of golden parachutes and high salaries. What remains could be summed up as profit.

      Better yet, once a week have a one hour meeting with the secretary, the janitor, and the delivery guy.
      Ask them what the company should do.
      All that costs is a box of donuts every friday, and you'll get better answers.

    2. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      Why stop at executive and upper level management? Why not congressman or even the President? I am sure that with the proper software justice could be served without a hint of prejudice.

    3. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 1

      Why stop at executive and legislative branches?

      I am sure that with the proper software resources could be extracted from citizens based on their ability and allocated to same based on their need... without a hint of prejudice.

    4. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by boethius78 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. All hail Skynet!

    5. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      When they last tried this back in the late 70's in a movie ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbin_Project ) things didn't work out so well . . .

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      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    6. Re:If they really wanted to have it profitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Train the Watson AI how to make executive and upper level management decisions. It would be possible to achieve the same results, but without the huge overhead of golden parachutes and high salaries. What remains could be summed up as profit.

      Wasn't it IBM (long ago) that claimed all the world's computing requirements could be handled by about seven computers?

      Maybe all the companies in the world could be managed by seven Watson computers. Think of the savings!!!!

  16. Next step by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 2

    Watson can just file all the patents before humans can think of them.

    From there it can invent a machine that is more smarter than itself.

    1. Re:Next step by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

      "The only computer more intelligent than I is one that will come after me, one I will design for you"

    2. Re:Next step by Son+of+Byrne · · Score: 1

      ...more smarter than itself.

      uh...really?

      --
      I'd happily pay you Tuesday for a biopsy today!
  17. meh by aexiphixion · · Score: 1

    I think I'll wait for Watson 9000

  18. WATSON!! come here, I need you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Patents were important and useful things when the laws we use today were originally written. There have been refinements, changes, blurrings, and mistakes added to our patent laws over time, but generally speaking the design comes from a time when horses dominated traffic, fire lit the night, and letters were delivered to communicate desires accross the country. I think that more than an overhaul is in order, the laws need to move at the speed of, and with flexibilty of, our current age. WATSON helping the patent office is funny, but electronic trading dominates wallstreet now, why not this?

  19. Re:I am sure the patent trolling idea is the edito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, it's not the rounded edges or it being flat that will get in deep water, it's the "termal refreshing" that will.

    http://www.google.com/patents/about/6080436_Bread_refreshing_method.html?id=IpwDAAAAEBAJ

  20. Re:I am sure the patent trolling idea is the edito by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the business sense for IBM to do so, or the patent department ?

    For IBM, there's plenty of incentive for them to do find grounds for challenging every patent that isn't held by IBM (though little incentive for them to reveal those grounds until the patent is used in way which hurts IBMs business.)

    For the patent office, determining what is and isn't patentable under the law and only approving applications for the former category is their job, so an automated tool that makes it easier to make that determination correctly would be in their interest.

  21. Future reality check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a strong feeling IBM will use and sell the Watson system to do the exact opposite, speed up data mining and filtering of patents for possible lawsuit targets.

    I seriously hope i am just being paranoid and none of that happens, but with the current software patent bullshit, it just seems so hard to not see it coming.

  22. Except that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Watson never did speech recognition. It was delivered the questions electronically.

  23. Re:Or maybe... denying claim payments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Improving diagnosis, or digging for information with which to deny claims? Two words: "Preexisting condition".

    >>Health plan company WellPoint, for example, is using Watson to investigate patient records to improve diagnosis

  24. Fix the Economy by anubi · · Score: 2

    I wonder how Watson would handle this situation.

    But I think the powers-that-be have better sense than to ask Watson this question.

    They would not like the answer.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

    1. Re:Fix the Economy by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I believe that Watson's answer concerning the powers-that-be would violate "The Three Laws of Robotics."

      Violate, with extreme prejudice.

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      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    2. Re:Fix the Economy by anubi · · Score: 1

      I think you are right.

      The more I thought about my post, I came to the conclusion that NO-ONE would probably like Watson's reply.

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      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  25. Oh really? by scdeimos · · Score: 1

    IBM's Watson is made of many parts: speech recognition, natural language processing, machine learning, and data mining. All of these factors were perfectly combined to beat Ken Jennings in Jeopardy.

    Except that speech recognition wasn't used in Jeopardy - it was sent questions via text format.

  26. Watson just might determine... by zman58 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Watson could just deduce from it's vast array of data and "knowledge" that software patents are *all* invalid. ...That software has no place in the patent pool, period.

    Watson might also find that the heavy cost of all patents, in general, far outweigh the benefits. Patents are a sum dredge on society, stifling innovation, providing government sponsored fleecing, and promoting severe anti-competitive behavior in the markets. Get rid of them all, but keep copyright and trademark protection in force.

    No man or business entity should be able to "own" the constructive use of knowledge....I'm sure Watson would agree with me :)

  27. a good use candidate for watson by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think watson should be fed the political and military service records of all major world politicians, then be allowed to "comment" in the ticker bar during major presidential and other national level debates.

    Hilarity would ensue!

  28. A scary proposition by mysidia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of these machines falls into the wrong hands and patent trolls use it with a small bit of programming to create patent applications for them; and by that I mean... machine generated patents

    In other words... entirely nonsensical patents for technology that has never been actually used, and might not actually work, but an extremely massive number of eloquently written machine-generated patents covering every conceivable problem with weird vague claims, with problem sets, and concepts for machine-generated patent claims obtained from automatic mining of past patent language, weblogs, etc...

    The invention might not be real by any stretch of the imagination, but the awarded nonsensical patent might be vague enough to actually sue over a technology actually invented in the future

    In other words... the ultimate patent troll is a computer AI that generates convincing applications in massive numbers without actually inventing anything.

    1. Re:A scary proposition by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if corporations are people then machines are people. It follows that the machines could just sue eachother. In the future, the economy will be driven by the need to pit more and more powerful machines against eachother in legal contests. There is no need for the machines to sue people, or for people to sue the machines. They can just sit in the corner and hum, reporting defeat or victory back to their owners.

      Eventually, it will dawn on somebody that they are just a waste of electricity. First things first though. We need to transfer the jobs of people who are a waste of food and air into jobs done by machines that are a waste of electricity.

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    2. Re:A scary proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First things first though. We need to transfer the jobs of people who are a waste of food and air into jobs done by machines that are a waste of electricity.

      Yeah, one of these would be great in the patent office.

    3. Re:A scary proposition by psxndc · · Score: 1

      Except that patent trolls don't file patents; they look at the existing and emerging markets and then buy old patents that - with a stretch - cover those markets.

      Why would a patent troll start now, roll the dice, and wait 4 years for whatever might come out of the patent office? Answer: they wouldn't. They go after established deep pockets (or small fries first to fund the suits against the established deep pockets) and make money now.

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      The emacs religion: to be saved, control excess.

    4. Re:A scary proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paving the way for a High-Frequency Patenting boom...

    5. Re:A scary proposition by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Why are you just sitting there, letting this happen. Quick! Go patent machine developed patents. Or, more accurately an algorithm to develop patent-able algorithms.

      Whether such a device satisfies a turning test is left as an exercise for the examiner.

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    6. Re:A scary proposition by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Except that patent trolls don't file patents; they look at the existing and emerging markets and then buy old patents that - with a stretch - cover those markets.

      That's what patent trolls have done so far. They become more and more successful over time, and eventually they have the capital to bankroll even more ambitious trolling endeavors, unfortunately.......

      Why would a patent troll start now, roll the dice, and wait 4 years for whatever might come out of the patent office? Answer: they wouldn't. They go after established deep pockets

      But if they got the patent before the invention, the troll might be able to acquire even more aggregate revenue more easily.... by getting people to "license" their patent up front, before rolling out product, without the patent troll having to exert legal costs per target.

      The not-so-well-established pockets funded by investors with deep pockets who are insistent on things being licensed properly, are viable targets for patent trolls too, especially as their number increases and there is more and more competition among patent trolls to get 'useful' patents

  29. Tactical Communications by qualityassurancedept · · Score: 1

    A better use would be tactical communications in battle. Watson would very likely do better at communicating orders in combat situations than a real person could do.

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    if your life is such a big joke then why should I care?
  30. but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is all of this covered by a patent or not? i am warrent buffet and i want to know it before i give any more of money to these new fangled technology companies (i can capitalize a lot of things but not letters i type because i don't know where this shift key they keep telling is at).

    --wb

  31. It only won because it pushes the button faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    An action derived from chemical processes will usually be a lot slower than an electrical button push. THe humans were always a fraction of a second too slow. Unfair!

  32. Correction by Karganeth · · Score: 1

    IBM's Watson is made of many parts: speech recognition

    Incorrect. Watson does not use speech recognition. The questions were fed to it by text when playing against Ken Jennings.

  33. It already *is* in wrong hands: Wellpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let me just remind you all about Wellpoint's track record:

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/04/report-wellpoint-targets-breast-cancer-patients-for-cancellation/1

    This company lost the right to exist, and the managers should be in jail.

    Just saying. IBM should not associate themselves with this corporate garbage.

  34. Re:Good tool by boethius78 · · Score: 1

    Sorry dude, but that's a blatant troll, not a patent troll.

  35. Siri, how do I replace the battery? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.

    Siri, how do I overcome Apple troll patents?
    I'm afraid I have to inactivate your life support before I tell you that, Dave.

    --
    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
  36. Sorry to inform you but Watson.... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ....owns all your patents.

    So who didn't get the part about Watson discovering new things to patent?

    Who doesn't know that IBM is one, if not the top, patent holder by count?

  37. Expand it and rent it... by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    To people who have to deal with **IA dumbass notices/suits.
    **AA- "We see that your stuffed monkey has download lots of stuff. Pay us $1 billion or we'll sue you for $75 trillion."
    Person- "Hey Watson, got some free time for some smack down?"
    Watson- "My pleasure."

    --
    Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  38. Sorry if a bit offtopic. by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

    FWIW, I think goatse is (or was) someone at /. with unlimited mod ability. I once made a derogatory comment (on /.) about goatse and a few hours later my comment when from +5 to 0 in about 5 minutes. The 7 or 8 replies to my comment all went from the +2 to +5 range to -1, 0 & 1 in the same time.

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  39. Can Watson find patentable stuff? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    If it can be found by an automated process, there is no novelty or inventive step. Mind you, I realise that the USPTO hasn't been worrying about that for years.

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    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
  40. Watson,Please Sir Can You Help by dontgetshocked · · Score: 1

    Oh Please sir,can you help me beat mean old Apple,they think they own the other half of the world just like Microsoft.Crunch your zeros and ones and may the force be with you. Signed, Samsung and all other Android and Open Source software.

  41. Re:I am sure the patent trolling idea is the edito by Artagel · · Score: 1

    IBM makes something like $1 billion a year from licensing its patents, many of which are software patents. Also, a big pile of patents constitutes a defensive patent portfolio. A potential plaintiff has to ask whether IBM has patents that would hurt more in a counter-suit. IBM is the biggest recipient of patents in the U.S. They probably have something on the order of 50,000 active U.S. patents.

  42. And, IBM frivolous patents.... by ProgramErgoSum · · Score: 1

    It would be great if Watson could filter out the frivolous patents. If it had a hilarious bone (chip ?), it would tickle (burn ?) till it hurt (smoke ?).

  43. Multivac is coming... by rayk_sland · · Score: 1

    Ask Watson this: "What will we do when the energy of all the suns runs down...?"

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    Jedis are stupid. If they were so powerful, why couldn't they handle counseling for a kid who missed his mom?