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Clothier Slammed For Using 'Perfect' Virtual Model

Hugh Pickens writes "Swedish Clothing Giant H&M recently disclosed that the images from the company's website, showing models wearing the latest swimsuit and lingerie in generic, stock-form, are not just photoshopped but entirely computer-generated. 'We take pictures of the clothes on a doll that stands in the shop, and then create the human appearance with a program on [a] computer,' H&M press officer Hacan Andersson said when questioned about the company's picture-perfect online models. Advertising watchdogs elevated the controversy by criticizing the chain of lower-cost clothing stores for their generic approach to models, accusing the chain of creating unrealistic physical ideals. 'This illustrates very well the sky-high aesthetic demands placed on the female body,' says a spokesman for the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, one of the groups most critical of H&M. 'The demands are so great that H&M, among the poor photo models, cannot find someone with both body and face that can sell their bikinis.'"

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  1. Cheaper by l00sr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why hire a model, photographer, etc., every time you change product lines, when you can just mass-produce images on a computer? I'd guess that the motivation here is more cost cutting than aesthetics. Still sounds like a terrible idea, but I'm sure we'll be seeing more of this in the near future.

    1. Re:Cheaper by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What will dimwit hot chicks do for a living now?

      Same thing they did before mass media made it possible to have a career as a model. They haven't come up with a computer that can do the world's oldest profession yet.

    2. Re:Cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They aren't far away, especially in japan.

    3. Re:Cheaper by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps, but the same could be said for real models. If all they really cared about was the clothes, they wouldn't show the model's faces, either.

      But they do, and for obvious reasons. They're not just trying to sell you $2 of fabric for $55- they're trying to sell you a self-image boost. And they must have found that a beautiful face is a big part of a beautiful body.

    4. Re:Cheaper by Superken7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. I doubt they can't find a model with such a body; sure they can. It's about making the process much shorter and cheaper.

      I don't see anyone complaining for the mannequins not being human beings and being too idealistic. Also, keep in mind that this was done for both women and men, and yet protests are raised only for the aesthetic demands placed on female bodies.

    5. Re:Cheaper by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What will dimwit hot chicks do for a living now?

      Same thing they did before mass media made it possible to have a career as a model. They haven't come up with a computer that can do the world's oldest profession yet.

      "Yet" being the key word.

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    6. Re:Cheaper by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've been a Baa-aa-aa-aa-aad boy.

    7. Re:Cheaper by netwarerip · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not nearly as creepy as a crawl-space full of them. Um, I mean, someone else's crawl-space full of them.

    8. Re:Cheaper by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fashion designers apparently use rail-thin models because they lack the curves of your average woman and therefore the folds, lines, depths, etc. of their clothing will be more emphasized.

      That is, fashion models are generally nothing more than walking, living mannequins. I'd be glad to see this particular part of the fashion industry disappear altogether. How many of these women are naturally that skinny, and how many torture and damage their bodies to fit into that archetype?

    9. Re:Cheaper by nschubach · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And I'm sure someone would still have a problem with it... equating the magazine to turning women into faceless/nameless sex objects.

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    10. Re:Cheaper by niko9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because faces, eye color, hair all matter when women wear an outfit. For example, certain color or pattern dresses look better with blond hair. Certain cuts of a shoulder or neck line can look better with different shaped faces. Short hair vs long hair for certain styles. It all matters when putting it together.

      It's the same with makeup. You use certain shades and strokes of color to help balance a woman's face or accentuate certain aspects, e.g., cheekbones.

    11. Re:Cheaper by shish · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's about making the process much shorter and cheaper. I don't see anyone complaining for the mannequins not being human beings

      When I was walking through Amsterdam, I saw a lot of live underwear models in the shop windows; seemed quite a popular and successful concept...

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    12. Re:Cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're so offensive. I've dated a lot of models, there are slutty, dumb girls, but there are just as many nice, smart, good girls. They're just normal people.

      If someone came up to you and said "I'll pay you $1000 to let me take a picture of you,", and you say "ok"... that doesn't make you a dumb slut.

    13. Re:Cheaper by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fiction: Women almost always dislike being sexualised.

      Women dislike being ONLY sexualized. So do men IF it ever happened to them.

      Here is a simple tip for boys, girls don't mind if you look at their tits, they mind if you ONLY look at their tits. Women are as sexual as men if not more so but they want to be more then a collection of body parts. Think of them as a total package of person with lots of soft bits that are nice to touch and you got a deal.

      And think about, as much as men might like to think that they would love it if women used them for nothing but sex, what man would be satisfied to sit at home until their mistress called them to perform on demand and never have anything they say taken serious or even listened to.

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    14. Re:Cheaper by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Years ago, I worked in a Software Etc. It was right next door to a popular women's clothing store. At lunch, I would walk over to eat at a restaurant across form the stores. Sitting there watching the stores was truly enlightening. The difference in how men shop and how women shop became entirely clear:

      In the clothing store...
      The women would slowly walk between the displays. Frequently putting their hand out and very lightly run it along the selection of products. Periodically, they would pull out an item. They would look it up and down, inspecting it from all angles. Then they would put it back on the display. All the while the man that came with them would follow them with a board blank stare.

      Whereas, in the Software store...
      The men would slowly walk between the displays. Frequently putting their hand out and very lightly run it along the selection of products. Periodically, they would pull out an item. They would look it up and down, inspecting it from all angles. Then they would put it back on the display. All the while the woman that came with them would follow them with a board blank stare.

  2. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The demands are so great that H&M, among the poor photo models, cannot find someone with both body and face that can sell their bikinis.'

    Deal with it. Modern concepts of beauty as promoted by clothiers might be unrealistic, that doesn't mean anyone has the right to tell them what they can consider beautiful.

  3. They're missing a trick here... by PSVMOrnot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess it's quite telling of my geekiness that my first thought on this isn't anything to do with stereotypes or the tragedy of young women being given unrealistic aspirations, but rather how the technology could be improved upon and put to better use.

    I mean, they have the tech to computer generate a human form over the top of a mannequin wearing clothes right? So why not parameterize it so that people can customize the look to be them, like an avatar in $your-favourite-mmorpg-here?

    Sure it'd take some work to adapt the tech and build some generative models, but suddenly you go from evil marketing tool to handy way to pick out a wardrobe and see what looks good on you.

    1. Re:They're missing a trick here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Considering how cheap is to rent processing power and disk space nowadays, it's perfectly feasible. There's only one flaw, which in your geekiness you wouldn't find it so obvious. People want to be lied to. They don't want to see an image of themselves wearing something and compare it with the perfect model. When they buy clothing, they tend to imagine it looks on them closer to what it looks like on the model, not how it does in reality. Pretty much like the monkey getting angry at the mirror.

  4. Switchboard operators and models are replaced. by Technician · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The complaint appears to be based on the lower cost model of efficiency. The printing press operators, typesetters, telephone operators, and other high cost labor is being replaced by lower cost computer automation that is less prone to errors, never goes on strike, etc.

    We reap the benefits of lower cost products, but moan the loss of jobs at the same time. Really, do you want to go back to the model of hand planted wheat and hand harvested and threshed wheat? If your daily loaf of bread cost leass than 1/3 of your income, you are benefiting from the economics of mechanized farming.

    Paying a labor pool of nice looking models is a high expense of a limited resource and will no longer be sustainable as the number of clothing articles to be modeled rises with the new efficiency.

    Automated phone systems enabled inexpensive phone calling. Do you really think your phone service would be anything like it is today if we all had to depend on the volume of Lilly Tomlin type switchboard operators to complete all calls. Phone plans including nationwide calling would not exist. Anything outside of a local calling area would be charged as long distance like it used to be.

    The complaints are to preserve an outdated labor market against advances in automation.

    Looking forward, the advertising market may enable consumers to 3D image their face and body to enable viewing a virtual model of themselves modeling the products. Does this swimsuit make my butt look big?

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  5. If you can computer-generate the models... by DeathToBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...couldn't you come up with some that are attractive? I'm not into fat chicks, but bones sticking out is not a good look. Curves, please!

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  6. Re:Excellent by uncle+slacky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All very well, but I get the feeling that the things that most people would be "freed up to do" in those circumstances are likely to include starving and becoming homeless.

    It *should* of course be used to create a basic income for everyone in order to allow us to pursue higher things, but I'll bet you it won't.

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  7. Re:I'm not seeing the down side here by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The argument some women put forward is that idealizing these models perpetuates anorexia in the population due to women starving themselves to achieve the same body shape.

    But if you hear the argument that it's the fault of men, don't buy it. It's not men, it's the fashion industry who wants living mannequins. Best case in point: Most porn stars do not have this kind of figure.

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