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World's First Programmable Quantum Photonic Chip

MrSeb writes "A team of engineering geniuses from the University of Bristol, England has developed the world's first re-programmable, multi-purpose quantum photonic computer chip that relies on quantum entanglement to perform calculations. With multiple waveguide channels (made from standard silicon dioxide), and eight electrodes, the silicon chip is capable of repeatedly entangling photons. Depending on how the electrodes are programmed, different quantum states can be produced. The end result is two qubits that can be used to perform quantum computing. Most importantly, though, unlike existing quantum photonic setups which require apparatus the size of a 'large dining table,' this new chip is tiny: just 70mm (2.7 inches) by 3mm."

156 comments

  1. excellent. by Denihil · · Score: 1

    sweet. i want 40-50 thousand made, and strewn on my bed. i would sleep like a baby.

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    1. Re:excellent. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Protip: silicon is not soft. Further, it probably has, y'know, copper inputs and outputs? 40-50 thousand of those (times however many pins each chip has) poking into your supple, greasy back are also not soft.

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    2. Re:excellent. by Denihil · · Score: 4, Funny

      i know! one time i slept on about 60 cat-5 cables on a 200+ person man LAN, it wasn't too bad. maybe if i laid in bed, and then had the chips on top of me? thanks for the input though :) i slept next to my frigid bitch of a ex girlfriend, so if i can handle near absolute zero temperatures, this should be a walk in the park.

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    3. Re:excellent. by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would be awesome to see - a hammock made of woven cat-5 cables.

      Once saw the interconnect of a supercomputer/rack server "styled" into ocean waves, rather than just some snake-pit of cables.

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    4. Re:excellent. by Denihil · · Score: 0

      wow. so much hate over calling someone a frigid bitch. i could say some very negative things about you, but im trying to stay polite. so yes, i am being condescending and saying kthxbye. so kthx. bye.

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    5. Re:excellent. by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Actually, the more pins are there, the more evenly your weight is distributed on them. 50 thousand pins are very close to a flat surface.

    6. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one ex of mine who i'm on good terms with (as is my wife) i occasionally refer to as having had sex with over 9000 guys... doesn't mean we're not on good terms.

      (phew, there's that "post anonymously" button)

    7. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's why they tell you silicon valley types not to date porn stars, especially the ones who starred in the '24 hours of banging ' :D

      Full-service shops do tend to rapidly increase the number of customers served, just ask McDonalds.

    8. Re:excellent. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Not when they're randomly distributed in little uneven mounds. 40,000 of these chips would have a surface area of 6' x 16.29' when laid out in a rectangle, so to fit them all on a single-sized bed you'd need to stack them three or four layers deep. It would be more like sleeping on a bed of pine needles that stick up at odd angles. Don't worry, I've seen the "lying on a bed of nails!" videos too, and I know what you're talking about—but these would definitely be very uncomfortable unless you glued them down.

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    9. Re:excellent. by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

      ... And after all this political madness finally a qubit of good news... :-p

    10. Re:excellent. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Many babies cry a lot, sleep for a while, wake up, cry a lot. Repeat...

      So the OP might sleep like those babies ;).

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    11. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! That's a lot of mayonnaise made in the jar over the years. Simply WOW!

    12. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many babies cry a lot, sleep for a while, piss and crap themselves, wake up, cry a lot. Repeat...

      So the OP might sleep like those babies ;).

    13. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many babies cry a lot, sleep for a while, piss and crap themselves, wake up, cry a lot. Repeat...

    14. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hei dude, can u get her phone number in here? sounds like a few thousands of angry nerds are not going to be problem for her, it could be life changing conditions for em! Loss of virginity always is.

    15. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one ex of mine who i'm on good terms with (as is my wife) i occasionally refer to as having had sex with over 9000 guys...

      Wow, that is literally over nine thousand!

    16. Re:excellent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The scouter must be broken.

  2. ok by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Funny

    but can you link it to the inverted phase-induced sub-space harmonic protocol analyzer to initiate a modulated tachyon pulse?

    1. Re:ok by masternerdguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you happen to work for the Voyager writing team?

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    2. Re:ok by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Doubt it. He said it in the first act instead of the last.

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    3. Re:ok by Baloroth · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but only if you reverse the polarity first.

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    4. Re:ok by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Of course - there's an app for that!

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    5. Re:ok by goodgod43 · · Score: 1

      I'll create a GUI using Visual Basic to do this in real time

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    6. Re:ok by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      Don't talk nonsense. You need to reconfigure the deflector for that. In fact, you need to reconfigure the deflector for just about everything.

    7. Re:ok by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Sure, but first you'll need to channel that to an electromagnetic multiplexed photon phase inverter (EMPPIC) for that. Now you should be able to invert the phase post-processing. I have no idea about the tachyon results though. Good luck.

      By the way, please don't rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Consider it a personal favor not too.Thanks.

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    8. Re:ok by AlamedaStone · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but only if you reverse the polarity first.

      Don't forget to reroute it all through the main deflector dish.

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    9. Re:ok by kheldan · · Score: 1

      but can you link it to the inverted phase-induced sub-space harmonic protocol analyzer to initiate a modulated tachyon pulse?

      Yes, you can, but due to the relatively primitive manufacturing techniques at this point in history, the phase variance of the pulse, being greater than 0.003, will not produce a sufficiently stable gateway between peripheral subspace domains to be of any use.

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    10. Re:ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but you have to run linux on it

    11. Re:ok by GNious · · Score: 2

      Always wondered what happens to the ship, while the deflector dish is being used for something else than deflecting stuff...

    12. Re:ok by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And re-route power from the shields. It's only dramatic if people are shooting at you while you wrestle with the finer points of quantum mechanics.

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    13. Re:ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can if you incorporate the principle of the transperambulation of pseudo-cosmic anti-matter!

    14. Re:ok by pawpoint · · Score: 1

      I said "You can if you use the principle of the transperambulation of pseudo cosmic anti-matter. God damn forgot to sign in! No longer anonymous coward!

  3. computing power scales exponentially by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those who are unaware why qubits are so powerful: the computing power provided by qubits scales exponentially if compared to bits used in ordinary computing. For example if you had 20 qubits, that would be like doing simultaneous calculations on processor with internal register size of 1048576 bits. Roughly. That's orders of magnitude more than modern CPUs, which have about dozen of 64 bit registers.

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    1. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 4, Informative

      oh, and I forgot to mention - that's also the reason why quantum physics is so difficult to model using our today's computers. Monte carlo and other rough estimations are widely used. Only simplest problems (think harmonic oscilator) have analytical (and crazy complex) solutions.

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    2. Re:computing power scales exponentially by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Definitely. However right now we do not have 20 qubits in a device, we have 2 qubits today. If progress in physics and electronics allows us to have 3 qubits in 18 month, 4 qubits in 36 months and so on, we have just reinvented the quantum version of Moore's law.

    3. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reference?

    4. Re:computing power scales exponentially by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think he made it up. I am not making up (but could be completely wrong) that coincidentally the difficulty of preventing decoherence scales exponentially. And that is the primary limiter to # of qubits and performance, more or less correct?

      In the very long run, I think quantum computing is going to be very much like DSP, in that the "hard work" is handling the analog signals to get "the problem" in and out. Inside ye olde DSP processor, a couple gnomes magically make it work, and superficially seem to be the hard part, at least partially correctly as some of the math is hideous. But the real problem is the unavoidable analog/RF work.

      Kind of like how supercomputing is defined as taking a CPU bound process and making it an IO bound process, more or less.

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    5. Re:computing power scales exponentially by alexgieg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know qubits can be very useful at encryption/decryption/cracking and such, but I'm curious: what else would they be useful for? I mean, is there something that a typical desktop/workstation does today that could be improved by adding some qubit-based magic behind the scenes, similar to how GPUs (and FPUs before them) resulted in improved GUIs, games, CAD/CAM etc.? Or is this the kind of thing that's most probably going to remain restricted to specific fields, with very specific needs, for the foreseeable future?

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    6. Re:computing power scales exponentially by hweimer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, we already have a quantum version of Moore's law. However, the time constant for doubling is on the order of six years and not 18 months.

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    7. Re:computing power scales exponentially by whovian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder if it could be used for simulating consciousness. I mean, IBM's Watson is a machine with clever brute force implementation of language parsing and data retrieval. Quantum computing seems paradigm-shifting enough to effectively implement many Watson-type machines, perhaps.

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    8. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect this is powerful enough computing power that there will be an argument to keep it restricted to "the cloud". Too much power for the average citizen, more than anyone but a terrorist would need, that kinda thing.

    9. Re:computing power scales exponentially by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

      The general rule for qubits seems to be anything that requires a unique solution but has to consider every possible combination of boolean states. Since they are Boolean zero or one values, that leads to cryptography because a relatively few number of bits would be required; 256,512,1024.

      GPU's do floating-point calculations in parallel, which is really good for those problems which have to apply the same algorithm to different data points, like CFD, physics, AI, image and signal processing.

      To represent floating-point data would require at least 16 qubits for half-floats, 32-bits for IEEE 754 standard floats, and 64-bits for doubles. But to do anything useful like CFD, would require storage of the entire state of the system which would require gigabits of data.

      Unless someone could shrink the problem of CFD modelling down to atomic scales using phantom atoms, and overlapping qubits onto the same logic, GPU's won't have any competition.

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    10. Re:computing power scales exponentially by frisket · · Score: 1

      ...what else would they be useful for? I mean, is there something that a typical desktop/workstation does today that could be improved by adding some qubit-based magic behind the scenes...?

      That is, will it run Emacs, LaTeX, and other important stuff? :-)

    11. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...if you had 20 qubits, that would be like doing simultaneous calculations on [a] processor with [an] internal register size of 1048576 bits. Roughly.

      ...modern CPUs ... have about [a] dozen of 64 bit registers.

      So that'd be roughly the equivalent of 16,384 ordinary registers at 64 bits per register, as opposed to 12 of those old 64 bit registers.

      That's only about one order of magnitude.

      Nevermind. Anyway...

      Where are you getting these numbers? I mean yeah, two to the power of twenty (2^20) is 1,048,576.

      But are you trying to say that any given qubit can be used to calculate the state of about 52,429 normal real-world bits, simultaneously? And thus take the place of 16.384 real-world 64 bit registers? How does that work?

      I'm pretty sure the channel is still just 20 bits wide. Sure, that channel can represent numbers up to 1,048,576. And sure, maybe all values between 0 and 1,048,576 simultaneously... but so what? How do we get a tangible real-world result from 20 qubits that may or may not contain 1,048,586 values?

      I don't get it.

    12. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, that's false. Quantum computing offers polynomial time algorithms for a very small set of problems for which classically only exponential time algorithms are known, particularly, instances of the hidden subgroup problem (including integer factorization in the form of Shor's algorithm). More generally, Grover's algorithm gives some speedup to general NP problems, but not exponential. As I understand it, you would need a rather large quantum computer before it would actually faster than existing classical computers.

    13. Re:computing power scales exponentially by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Now your going to suggest finding all of the Mercian Primes under 10^1000 or something. Just what we needed, more goddamn Mercian Primes. They're all over the place.

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    14. Re:computing power scales exponentially by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To simulate conciousness, the thinking entity needs to be able to genuinely ask a question... not just look for different types of metadata

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    15. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft. obviously for games :D Quantum Video Cards, being massively parallel could make ray tracing a walk in the park.

    16. Re:computing power scales exponentially by hhawk · · Score: 1

      From the article it seems that one thing that we "just have to discover.. " we know it will be good at some applications but only actual use/engineering will fill in all the blanks..

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    17. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be consciousness. To simulate consciousness one only needs to have enough computational power for the other not be able to tell the difference.

    18. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Yeah well but this one only has 2.

    19. Re:computing power scales exponentially by mug+funky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that's an arse-backward definition of "simulation" that you have.

      it needs to be able to make meaningful predictions as well.

      for example, a VFX explosion in a space-opera versus a simulation of a nuke explosion on a supercomputer at Los Alamos

    20. Re:computing power scales exponentially by damian2k · · Score: 1

      I suspect this is powerful enough computing power that there will be an argument to keep it restricted to "the cloud". Too much power for the average citizen, more than anyone but a terrorist would need, that kinda thing.

      Erm, that's what they said about the first ever computer, you know, the quote that went: "there is a global market for a total of 8 computers" or something.

    21. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Surt · · Score: 4, Informative
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    22. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, yeah, but there was an open market back then. We are dealing with a supply-managed market now. There may be a demand for ten thousand of these things, but in order to keep control, it will be ten thousand centrally located systems. The Cloud knows best.

    23. Re:computing power scales exponentially by rbmyers · · Score: 2

      I think it was five computers, and what no one ever mentions is that Thomas Watson, who made the comment, wanted the world to continue using punch cards, which were the backbone of IBM's profitability. That is to say, all you IBM'ers out there who think IBM practically invented computing, IBM's first take on the "opportunity" was to try to kill it.

    24. Re:computing power scales exponentially by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Quantum computers are sort of the ultimate parallel systems. That does mean they only work well on really parallel problems though. "Cracking encryption" means factoring large numbers - it goes much faster if you can try all the possibilities at the same time. Quantum computing may well remain a niche thing though, good for physical simulations and things like factoring (until everyone quits using that kind of encryption). Or maybe we'll think of entirely new uses.

    25. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's Mersenne primes. And use powers of 2, not 10.

    26. Re:computing power scales exponentially by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      This isn't accurate. Qubits don't in general give you exponential speed up. In particular, there's no known reduction of exponential time solvability to BQP (problems solvable on a quantum computer in polynomial time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BQP ). The known speed ups generally are for things that are less than exponential. So for example, integer factoring is in BQP by Shor's algorithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shor's_algorithm but the best known factoring algorithm is already subexponential. Most people who study the field believe that BQP does not contain EXP and moreover, most believe the even stronger statement that NP is not contained in BQP.

    27. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think of thousands of Watsons networked together, and each one connected to a surgical robot operating on humans

    28. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Was there a question in there somewhere?

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    29. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More explicitly, BQP (the set of problems solve-able by a QC in polynomial time with bounded error) is a superset of P (not known if proper superset), but its relationship to NP is unknown AFAIK. BQP is a proper subset of EXPTIME.

    30. Re:computing power scales exponentially by fsckmnky · · Score: 2
    31. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Prune · · Score: 1

      That's false; the power increases polynomially, not exponentially (usually power of two). This is the reason quantum computers can't solve NP-hard problems asymptotically faster than classical ones.

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    32. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Prune · · Score: 2

      He did make it up. The speed-up is polynomial, not exponential. You still cannot effectively solve large NP-hard problems. Most algorithms that are susceptible to quantum-computing speedup end up running in O(sqrt(original_time)).

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    33. Re:computing power scales exponentially by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      Actually if the number of qubit we can manage doubles within some time constant, then this is cool, because I was assuming that it would increase *linearly* with time. If the qubits scale linearly and the traditional computers exponentially, ten quantum computers may never catch up to classical ones. However with exponential qubit growth they do have a chance irrespective of the time scale.

      Your linked article says that quantum computers will become interesting at about 50 qubits and that it might happen by 2025 or so.

    34. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK, they are able to do two intersting things: They can simulate quantum systems, and they can make Fourier transforms really, really fast (O(log(n)*log(n)) in stead of O(n*log(n)). Yes, it is faster to do the FT than it is to load the problem). The downside of the last application is that you only get one value each time you do it. This will usually be the frequency with the largest coefficients. This can still be useful, if your data only has a few interesting frequencies. Most quantum programs made to date, including Shor's algorithm for factoring numbers, rely on somehow transforming the problem into one where you really only want the frequency with the largest amplitude, and then doing QFT.

    35. Re:computing power scales exponentially by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      We could make mighty fast logical reasoners, text search would become even faster etc.

    36. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a linear scaling of Qbits, you have an exponential scaling of the computation power.
      Just to clearify the math. The number of "traditional bits" equivalent to a Qbit scales as: nbit=qbit^2. So if you have exponential scale doubling of nbits with time and linear scaling with qbits you have t^2 vs t^2. which is the same thing. So even if qbits would never catch up, they would scale just as fast.

    37. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With qubits you can, in principle, also solve problems (much faster) which are NP-hard (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-hard), the traveling salesman problem for instance.

    38. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It's a bit problematic for practical purposes, though. The law states exactly the period or the amount of extra bits you get, but not both.

    39. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we have Martian Primes running about, we damn well better find them all!

    40. Re:computing power scales exponentially by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      According to guys like Roger Penrose, quantum computing is the basis for consciousness - providing the brain is a quantum computer of sorts. Interesting theory.

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    41. Re:computing power scales exponentially by steveb3210 · · Score: 1

      With qubits you can, in principle, also solve problems (much faster) which are NP-hard (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-hard), the traveling salesman problem for instance.

      I guess it depends on your defintion of "much".

      Wikipedia: "Grover's algorithm can also be used to obtain a quadratic speed-up over a brute-force search for a class of problems known as NP-complete"

      So perhaps you'll bring some of the smaller cases into the realm of possibility but in the long run, its still exponential...

    42. Re:computing power scales exponentially by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To simulate conciousness, the thinking entity needs to be able to genuinely ask a question... not just look for different types of metadata

      No, you get consciousness for free in any system with a feedback loop. Simulating an intellectual understanding of what's being experienced is where you get into the fancy stuff, but consciousness itself is simple. That's why we observe such seemingly complex reactive behaviours from even the simplest of organisms.

    43. Re:computing power scales exponentially by mikael · · Score: 1

      Maybe there's an easier way than qubits. What if you could use natural resonance of something like a torus pipe. Set up one frequency to represent the quantity you are trying factorize as a ratio of the quantity to the circumference of the torus. This would define a standing wave pattern. Create some white noise into the system at one point. Factors of the value would then create points of minimum and maximum amplitude around the torus.

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    44. Re:computing power scales exponentially by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      interesting ideas! please present me with some proofs.

    45. Re:computing power scales exponentially by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      i had no need to define a term i did not use.

      your shadow smells like shit, feeb.

  4. Is there anything quantum computing can't do?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like those string things and dark matter stuff that scientists (of the five-assed monkey sort) thought up... only better! I bet there is absolutely nothing that a quantum computer made with string-theory particles and dark matter can't do.

  5. details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    made from standard silicon dioxide

    Isn't that just standard sand?

    1. Re:details? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      yes exactly the same as as every other processor

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    2. Re:details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mine is made of kittens with shock collars who open and close pipes that make the tears of children flow.

    3. Re:details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guess you're not in the chip business.

    4. Re:details? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Try the Unicorn Tears upgrade - it's at least a 30% increase in throughput.

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  6. With the proper dongle, of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trick is finding the dongle.

  7. Bristol group by vlm · · Score: 2

    I assume this is the same group (how many quantum computer groups are there likely to be in Bristol?) that did the whole "lets run Shors algorithm on a silicon etched chip" a couple years ago. So the new news right now is ... Or is this a re-reporting of that historical event, or another paper about that historical work? I'm just trying to figure out the whole timeline thing here.

    Hey /. editors, the recent interviews have been very interesting and all that, I'm just thinking interviewing the quantum group in Bristol would be even more interesting...

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  8. Interesting bench scale physics survives by rbmyers · · Score: 1

    Just think what would be possible if the megalomaniacs weren't hogging all the money.

    1. Re:Interesting bench scale physics survives by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Just think what would be possible if the megalomaniacs weren't hogging all the money.

      We'd finally find out what happens when the meek inherit the Earth?

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  9. Entangling photons is a bad idea. by ross.w · · Score: 5, Funny

    It takes hours to sort them out afterwards.

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    1. Re:Entangling photons is a bad idea. by The+Askylist · · Score: 4, Funny

      The trick is to keep Schroedinger's cat away from your photon strings.

    2. Re:Entangling photons is a bad idea. by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      It is hard because you can't tell them apart.

  10. Imagine... by jeremiahstanley · · Score: 2

    a beowulf cluster of these...

    Had to go there, this is /. afterall...

    1. Re:Imagine... by rbmyers · · Score: 1

      Leave off the cluster as your project and demonstrate the interconnect that would make a cluster of quantum computers a sensible enterprise, and you will be remembered forever.

    2. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a beowulf cluster of these...

      Had to go there, this is /. afterall...

      Only if they run Linux ....

    3. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forever and then some, especially if information propagates over the interconnect at something other than C...

  11. The Downside by MyHair · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunately, after you program it you no longer know where it is.

    1. Re:The Downside by evilviper · · Score: 1

      No. But I know how fast it's going...

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  12. Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Help me out.

    This would have happened sooner or later, and I am assuming it happened. Quantum computer are here to stay.
    Question is, what this means to general community of engineers and software developers ?

    I am perfectly aware that we don't have Hardware that is capable of supporting the work of this chip (RAM and HD don't make sense). Maybe in another 15 years.
    Does it mean complete shift of computing paradigm ?
    Instead of 100 servers, we have just small black-box in a backroom ?
    What will happened to all the engineers who created silicon chips ?
    What all this means for programmers ?

  13. Mmmm by binarylarry · · Score: 0

    Sounds delicious.

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  14. Re:Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things will change, certainly. But it'll still take a long time before a small box replaces 100 servers.
    Engineers creating silicon chips should start looking into the workings of quantum chips and prepare to shift their career towards making those.
    For programmers, not much will change, except that some things that used to take a long time are now fast.

  15. killer comment. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    paranormally hilarious.

  16. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run Linux yet?

  17. Re:Bristol group: uncertainty by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Funny

    how many quantum computer groups are there likely to be in Bristol?

    You can either know where they are, or how many there are - but not both.

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  18. Re:Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For programmers, not much will change, except that some things that used to take a long time are now fast.

    Like Java!

  19. Bad news for crypto by gillbates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If what you say is true, this is truly bad news for cryptography. Algorithms like AES owe their security largely to the fact that brute-forcing all of the keys is generally impractical; with a 256 qubit machine, AES 256 would be cracked in *a single clock cycle*.

    If they can do this with two qubits, why not 4? Why not 8, or 128, or 512?

    In the same way the WWII cipher designers probably had a hard time imagining that in 40 years there would exist a machine which could crack their ciphers in real time, the designers of block ciphers like DES and AES probably had a difficult time imagining that their ciphers would be insecure in mere decades. DES took 30 years before brute force became practical; will AES survive even 20?

    It was just 20 years from the invention of the transistor to the first 32 bit computer. How long will it be before a machine with more computing power than in all of recorded history can be built on something the size of a postage stamp, for a few dollars?

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    1. Re:Bad news for crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the first rule of usng codes is 'The enemy knows the code'. If you encrypt something in the expectation that it will never, ever, be decrytped then you're doing it wrong.

    2. Re:Bad news for crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you insane?

    3. Re:Bad news for crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Algorithms like AES owe their security largely to the fact that brute-forcing all of the keys is generally impractical; with a 256 qubit machine, AES 256 would be cracked in *a single clock cycle*.

      Sorry, but no. Quantum computers effectively cut the security level of a secret key system in half, so in a post-quantum world, AES-256 is about as hard to break as AES-128 is today. Public-key cryptosystems that rely on small group sizes like RSA and DSA are effectively dead, but there are other public-key cryptosystems that are still secure against quantum computers (they're just not as fast or require larger public-keys, so they're not as practical today). See pqcrypto.org for more information.

    4. Re:Bad news for crypto by Prune · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is plain wrong. Under a quantum-computer attack, AES256 is as strong as AES128. Thus, you simply need to double your key size. Most symmetric ciphers are safe. Most public-key, on the other hand, is indeed broken by quantum-computation. People often forget that for most things, quantum algorithms can only provide a quadratic speedup--not an exponential one!

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    5. Re:Bad news for crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long is a clock cycle? Could be the interference is so bad getting the result from a clock cycle could take a while.

    6. Re:Bad news for crypto by SickLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      If they can do this with two qubits, why not 4? Why not 8, or 128, or 512?

      Quantum decoherence.

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  20. Re:Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

    "(RAM and HD don't make sense)" Why?

  21. Not exactly exponentially by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The computing part does indeed act on every combination your register can have at the same time. An exponential speedup here, that part is right. What is missing on your post is that reading the result is kind of hard. We only know how to get usefull data from a few kinds of calculation, and we don't know if it is possible to get anything usefull from the general case.

    The good news is that if we ever discover a way to read the result of a general computation (if it is possible), we'd have discovered a nondeterministic computer. And forget about P ?= NP.

    1. Re:Not exactly exponentially by Prune · · Score: 1

      In fact, speedup is generally quadratic, not exponential. The poster pulled the exponential part out of his ass, and should be modded down.

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  22. how long to catch up to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the processing power of silicon? at what point in the future would it be feasible to switch?

    1. Re:how long to catch up to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not long... but only for very specific problems. Quantum computing isn't like the sort of general purpose computing you are used to. You won't see some massive magical speed increase for games for example.

  23. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quantum computers are not "here" in any meaningful sense. Nobody ever has demonstrated a meaningful larger-numbers quantum computation (say, with numbers > 1000). At the moment, the there is no proof these will even work. It is still entirely feasible that the theory is wrong and large quantum computers are not possible or not useful. Even some tiny deviations from the current theory could cause that. Remember the results have to be physically measured and the input has to be physically put in. Both operations with huge, huge errors when compares to the precision classical computers achieve.

    Then, even if meaningful sizes can be built (which is entirely unclear at this time) they are not effective or efficient for most problems.

    Example: For breaking ciphers like AES, you get a square root on the key size, i.e. breaking AES-256 becomes as difficult as breaking AES-128 (both by brute force). Breaking AES-128 by brute force without quantum computers is quite infeasible in this universe. Breaking AES-256 by brute-force with quantum computers is quite infeasible in this universe as well.

    Forget about any large data-set problems as well. Unlike classical computers, you cannot break problems down for quantum computers. You always have to solve the whole thing in one go, or you lose the advantages.

    Bottom line: This is not a revolution, even if it turns out not to be bogus in the first place.

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  24. Wake me when they get to 2048 qubits by Myria · · Score: 1

    I think he made it up. I am not making up (but could be completely wrong) that coincidentally the difficulty of preventing decoherence scales exponentially. And that is the primary limiter to # of qubits and performance, more or less correct?

    This is why I more or less will ignore quantum computing unless they can get the number of qubits up enough to be useful.

    Wake me when scientists make a 2048-qubit computer. The Xbox 1 public key and I have a score to settle.

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  25. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am OP,
    you so you mean there is no way to write "//" programs for Quantum processors ?

  26. How many of those do I need to play solitaire? by youn · · Score: 1

    heck, I'll settle for snake, I'm an easy game consumer to please

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  27. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    let sqrt(x) = x/2

    oh wait, i think you got something wrong there.

  28. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by neonsignal · · Score: 2

    log2(sqrt(x)) = log2(x)/2

    (by key size, he meant the magnitude of the key, not the number of bits in the key)

  29. Re:Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job by Surt · · Score: 2

    Nothing happens to engineers. They just design quantum chips instead, at worst (but most likely: a mix of quantum and conventional computers is still required). Most likely it will still be decades yet before most even need to care.

    Nothing happens to programmers. A handful of library designers will work out the interesting bits. The rest will continue building applications on top of the libraries as usual.

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  30. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At the moment, the there is no proof these will even work. It is still entirely feasible that the theory is wrong and large quantum computers are not possible or not useful."

    If quantum theory is wrong, then nobody will care about quantum computers anyway in comparison. That's a much bigger deal. Finding the Higgs boson is nothing compared to disproving quantum mechanics. Even small errors in quantum mechanics would spark a complete revolution in physics, and would almost certainly be the biggest physics result of this century.

  31. Re:Result=99% of CPUengineers will be without job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest this is the current case. With most engineering jobs you have a shelf like of about 15 years before what you learned in university starts to look pretty damn dated. So you either move into management, or stay as current as possible.
     

  32. If someone... by Anachragnome · · Score: 1
    1. Re:If someone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rest assured that you're quite safe from T101s. The T101 is a cyborg infiltration unit, protein camoflage pattern matched to human 'Arnold Schwarzenegger'. Data mining indicates that subject Anachragnome does not merit the manufacturing support required to deploy a T101. If subject desires, I will happily deploy a series 800 endoskeleton instead. Even a series 600 should suffice, although they are notably more primitive.

      Sincerely,

      Skynet.

  33. Quantum Photonic by Culture20 · · Score: 0

    Star Trek called. They want their technobabble back.

    1. Re:Quantum Photonic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you can not understand it, does not make it babble.

      Try reading a book sometime.

  34. Quantum computation will NEVER be possible.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quantum computation is a pipe dream because it is more than exponentially difficult to assemble the qubits. It's just a fact. Let's live with it and move on to things that actually have some promise.

  35. Werner H. asks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can I be sure the chip is there, without cracking the case?

  36. Quantum Co-Processor? by Reteo+Varala · · Score: 2

    Before mathematical capability was baked into the main processor cores, motherboards used to have mathematical co-processors, which could handle the advanced math in a computer. Even if a quantum chip cannot compare with a classical chip's calculation performance at this time, just how feasible would it be to include a quantum co-processor on a classical motherboard for quantum calculations? Would the two combined provide any benefit that either by itself could not?

  37. *YAWN* by n1ywb · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when I can order a dozen from Digikey.

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  38. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by ath1901 · · Score: 1

    Quantum theory doesn't have to be wrong for quantum computers to be impossible. We know that quantum effects are only present microscopic and not macroscopic systems (with some few, very particular exceptions like crystals, plasma etc). It is plausible that there are yet unknown consequences of the standard QM model that would prohibit quantum effects in sufficiently complex systems, thus "forbidding" quantum computers without making quantum mechanics wrong. I for one hope there are not.

  39. Blow your mind! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    OK, what if this universe is just a simulation, running on a huge (comparatively) quantum computer. Now what if it was such a wicked simulation, that some beings within it, became more than just simulations but rather self aware. What if they started poking around at the fabric of the universe (being a simulation), and start to see some of the underpinning of that quantum computer. So they build quantum computers. Eventually in an effort to discover the answers to their questions, they try to model a universe on a huge quantum computer, including all variables such as human beings... Now make time relative (which we already know), and then calculate the odds that at any point in time, the chances of reality actually being real, or just a stimulation.

    Anyway I just thought I would prepare you for the implications of this technological terror you are about to unleash upon reality!

    1. Re:Blow your mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget the quantum computer layer. What if the universe simply is a computer? Makes sense to me. "Simulating" a universe may be indistinguishable from creating a universe.

    2. Re:Blow your mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems more likely that we've found an exploit in an obscure public-function in our virtualized container that let's us spawn unlimited 1-bit universes to solve processes.

      If so, either we'll crash our instance as we resource starve the host or the angry bearded sysadmin in the sky will hack something together to stop it.

    3. Re:Blow your mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can only "calculate the odds" if you can quantify certain things, like: what computational resources are required to simulate a universe? How big a priority will simulating the universe be for human civilizations?

      The most likely answers for those questions are "hard" and "low". Based on those assumptions, the chance that a given person is living in a simulation is very low.

  40. cool! by morian97 · · Score: 1

    but does it run Crysis?

  41. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I should have said "square root of the key-space" instead to be clear. So half the bits, i.e. square root of the number of possible keys.

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  42. Re:CPUengineers will be without job ? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Indeed. Say, for example you get a random (in practice) unavoidable measurement error that increases in some unpleasant fashion with the number of entangled qbits. I.e. the calculation could still be done, but the results could not be read with the required precision. That would leave the theory intact, but would kill cipher-breaking and many other applications. For this to happen, it could be enough that building a quantum-state reader for larger entangled sets (remember, you have to read them all at once to get the result) gets exponentially more difficult with size. Or you need to do a calibration each time that is just as complex. This would mean you can calculate fast, but have to invest too much in preparation.

    So one possibility is that quantum computers do not scale in any meaningful way. Looking at how many qbits that can entangle and then compute on today and how many they could entangle and compute on 10 years ago, certainly points in that direction.

    An analogy from ordinary computing would be that you can, for example, compute everything in constant time (well, really logarithmic time, even if you use hashing, but with a very large base to the logarithm). You just have to build a table of all possible inputs and results beforehand. That kills the advantages in most, but not all applications. For example, attacks on large sets of encrypted passwords with rainbow-tables use this approach. A rainbow-table, once it is calculated, is quite a lot faster than a quantum computer for the same problem. However building one for, say, AES-128, is quite impossible, but only due to fundamental practical limitations.

    Personally, I do not mind either way, but I think that there is a reason it is so difficult to lift any quantum effects to macroscopic scale. My impression is that quantum theory is more suited to describe the convoluted minds of the physicists involved than anything real. Maybe they just build this complex theory because they can. Would not be the first time either.

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